Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-09 by sailingto
Good deal Mike, I ve always wanted to try some of that stuff, just never broke (always too broke:) down to order the stuff. I did try making a sheet of the
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Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-09 by Mike Phillips
Today I bought the GreenRTF and TT paper from Pulsar to add to my test matrix. Mike
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-08 by Mike Phillips
In years past I have only ever used magazine paper since Pedro came out with his guide, with a clothes iron. The laminator is what has thrown everything into
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-08 by Michel Baguet
Can you give more infos about the paper ? Full name, inkjet or laser, weigth, ... Do you have to soak it ? Mike ... From: michael tenore
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-08 by sailingto
Please do try the magazine paper - that s what I use with best success. Sorta of a glossy magazine paper. It seems like anytime we try something new there are
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-08 by Piers Goodhew
You ll always get some paper stuck to the toner, not a problem as long as it s not stuck to the _copper_ - which it doesn t seem to be on the upper trace - I
additive process using Silver Nitrate or similar
2009-08-08 by AGSCalabrese
Does anyone on the list create PCBs using an additive process ? I am interested in any kind of additive process. Best AGS Calabrese Denver, CO [Non-text
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-07 by Mike Phillips
Here is the first test with HP Advanced Photo Paper. This stuff is glued to the copper! http://rotordesign.com/pcb/HPQ7852A_AdvancedPhotoPaper.jpg Here is the
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-07 by Mike Phillips
That red stuff between transfers is just a reflection. That s virgin pcb and it is very clean. Mike
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310 (and paper testing)
2009-08-07 by Mike Phillips
The rollers are still slipping some. But now I need to move on to getting a good Toner Transfer. So I tried the HP Presentation 130g paper. Passed it through
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-07 by Mike Phillips
My thermocouple reads very close to the digital thermometer. I went to Staples and asked about returning paper that I don t like. They said yes. So I bought
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by michael tenore
No I do not ! I am very satisfied with this paper.. You still have to inspect the board any way but on a large board I only have to touch up a couple of
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by Michel Baguet
Do you have problem with pinhole on wide track/large area ? ... From: michael tenore Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by michael tenore
Use HP Presentation paper! I get excellent results with it and it comes off easier than photo paper Mike ________________________________ From: Michel Baguet
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-07 by Mike Phillips
I ve got an HP 6P printer with a stock HP toner cartridge. Right now, the sticking of the toner to the copper has not been a problem. It s just that this
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by Michel Baguet
Hi Matt, I got the same problem while trying to use toner transfert. In general, photo paper are a paper frame with a thin sheet of plastic and clay over it.
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-07 by sailingto
Hmmmmm 294F - that s a bit cooler than most toner transfers. Of course it depends on what toner your printer has. The newer Brother series of printers use
Re: First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by d_robertson4
... Hello Matt, I went through exactly the same thing with Staples basic 190 g/m2 glossy paper. Many new photo papers are having plastic like layers
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by Piers Goodhew
I also had similar results using some generic photo paper. Because I just can t persuade that paper to go thru my old 5MP anymore, I ve stopped using it, but I
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by John Coppens
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:52:07 -0700 ... That looks similar to problem I had (with Epson gloss paper). Try using a tooth brush while the board is still wet. Or,
First toner transfer attempts.
2009-08-07 by Matthew Andrews
Hello all, I ve been attempting to use the toner transfer method for making PCBs for the firs time with somewhat frustrating results. I am using an HP 4P with
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-07 by Mike Phillips
The thermometer stabilized at 294F. Too cold? Too Hot? I checked it 2 places on the input side of the rollers. Mike
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by sailingto
Did you get a temperature on the rollers at the exit point? I ve sorta settled on magazine paper for now - it just works too good. The little bit of text I ve
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by Mike Phillips
I used HP Q7852A HP Advanced Photo Paper for a test today. It sticks like glue to the copper. So bad in fact that after a about 1-2 hours of soaking it still
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by sailingto
That digital thermometer will work nicely I m sure. I used the input side - with the probe inserted at an angle the rollers just sorta slipped and didn t
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by Mike Phillips
I have a digital thermomoeter that would fit into the exit just fine. The laminator would probably grab the thermometer if I inserted it on the input side. I
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by sailingto
Hey Mike, take a cooking thermometer (type with a metal probe) and stick the probes up against the rollers to see if you can get a temperature reading that
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by Mike Phillips
I wonder if this laminator is too hot. It sure seems at least as hot as my old clothes iron. The board is very hard to hold onto when passing it a few times
Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-06 by javaguy11111
... I had similar problems. The wet method did not work well for me. What did work for me is a J-roller. This is normally is used for applying laminate to
Re: Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-06 by Mike Phillips
It worked ok with 5 passes. I wiped the board clean with carb cleaner and also tried a general solvent that I have. Both worked better than acetone since they
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-06 by Donald H Locker
Thanks for the tip, Mike. I got to see that which I had give up on and it is quite beautiful! Donald. ... From: Mike Phillips To:
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-06 by Donald H Locker
I just got the do not hotlink message at the correct link so I m giving up on it. Donald. ... From: Jack To: Homebrew PCBs
RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-05 by Roger Blair
I m not familiar with the H310, but I have the H65 (yet to be used) but as I recall, the H65 model requires assistance with the .062 boards (.067 max
Slipping rollers on new GBC H310
2009-08-05 by Mike Phillips
I m testing the new GBC H310 laminator I got today. With the heat on max, the rollers slip a bit with a brand new Radio Shack .067 x 4.52 x 6.3 double sided
Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by lcdpublishing
Thanks for describing your process. If I try the dry film again, I will give that a try. The pre-coated board sure worked good. My exposure time ended up
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by DJ Delorie
... Sounds like your browser is trying too hard to preserve the referrer info, which is what my server uses to try to guess if you re using my images in your
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by DJ Delorie
... If you lay the film flat on the pcb and run it through the laminator, you re going to get blisters. You ve got to either get the air out ahead of time
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg
It s not the webmail, I copy and pasted the link into a blank browser page and got the same error. Deleting the jpg on this page and re-typing it worked and
Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by lcdpublishing
TO clarify, using the dry film type stuff, I would get blisters - sometimes. Nothing consistant about it from what I could determine. I could easily
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by DJ Delorie
... Yes. It s an SDRAM chip on the right so I took the time to length-match all the traces. They re within 0.6 mil of each other :-)
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by DJ Delorie
... It s web mail. Replace .jpg with .html for any image I post and it will work. My server thinks your webmail is trying to embed my photos in your web
Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by Mike Phillips
I went back to Firefox. Deleted the letters jpg at the end of the http://www.delorie.com/electronics/sdram/sdram-toppcb.jpg URL, then typed them back in and
Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by Mike Phillips
I get the same response, using Firefox. Here is a screen shot of the error message. http://rotordesign.com/delorie.jpg But I get a very large pcb pic using IE
Re: Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by javaguy11111
... Out of curiosity, why do you have the traces that are right of center doubling back on themselves. Are you trying to equalize path lengths?
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by Jack
http://www.delorie.com/electronics/sdram/sdram-toppcb.jpg is the correct link and brings up the image correctly. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Malcolm
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg
The link below just gives a warning please do not hotlink to this site ... From: DJ Delorie Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-05 by leon Heller
... From: lcdpublishing To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-04 by DJ Delorie
... If you mean photofilm, it took me a while to get reliable results from it. Some thoughts... It wants around 220-240 F temperature, far cooler than most
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-04 by John Coppens
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:54:17 -0000 ... You do not specify which part of the process is failing. Though I don t make production runs (but then TT isn t suitable
Need better reliability than I am getting with toner transfer - what's next?
2009-08-04 by lcdpublishing
Hey guys, I have had a good run with toner transfer but the more I get into these small packages, the more failures I am getting. The surface mount chips (100