Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I've been through that section of the manual a FEW times, and cannot 
seem to draw a gradual tempo curve in Logic 8. I am starting at a 
tempo of 120 BPM and want to gradual go to 60 BPM to end a song. 
Everytime I try to draw curve between two tempi, I just end up sliding 
the first tempo node to the right? I am using the pencil tool, but 
even tried the automation tools, as well as the marquis tool...same 
effect. Can anyone help?



Thanks

Doug

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dancensoul" <dancensoul@...> wrote:
>
> I've been through that section of the manual a FEW times, and cannot 
> seem to draw a gradual tempo curve in Logic 8.
> 

Hey, Doug,

Pages 643-44 and 650-51 of the Manual do describe the actions
accurately -- but beyond the words, it just take a certain finesse. 

It may help to start by making the tempo track as tall as you can, and
zoom in to just a couple of measures. This doesn't change the action
at all, but it MAY help you see the results more accurately. 

Rather than directly left/right or up/down, try dragging diagonally.
You should see the line jump away from the point. 

This doesn't really add much concretely beyond the manual. Probably
it's more a matter of just keeping on playing with it. Eventually
you'll get it right -- then, once you stop shouting, "YEAH! YEAH!
WHOOHOO!" go back to it and do it again and again, play with how far
to take it, watch the curve shape "flip," etc. Get it into "muscle
memory."

Even once you get it, it can be a little erratic, but it'll happen.

Good luck,
chuck

I'm not sure exactly how you're doing it, but it worked for me with  
the arrow.  You should have 3 (nodes) dots - the initial 120 node,  
the final 60 node and the blue curve node.  You used the pencil to  
create a 60bpm node at the end.  When you hover over the node, you  
get the up/down arrow cursor.  When you hover over the line you get a  
hand, and when you hover over the Tempo Curve Node, you get an index  
finger pointer.  If the curve node dot is right above/at the 6bpm  
point, then drag the blue dot towards the middle of the song to get  
and modify the gradual transition.  I don't think I'm making sense  
right now, but if I am, give it a shot.

Gregory


On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:59 AM, dancensoul wrote:

> I've been through that section of the manual a FEW times, and cannot
> seem to draw a gradual tempo curve in Logic 8. I am starting at a
> tempo of 120 BPM and want to gradual go to 60 BPM to end a song.
> Everytime I try to draw curve between two tempi, I just end up sliding
> the first tempo node to the right? I am using the pencil tool, but
> even tried the automation tools, as well as the marquis tool...same
> effect. Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug
>
>
> 



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Greg and Chuck...
Thanks for the replies. I went back to the manual and strangely 
enough, all I had to do was open up the Tempo Operations window and 
everything was already set up for me to adjust...curve type and 
all...it was a breeze using the TO window, instead of trying to do 
it without.

Thanks,
Doug
--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> 
wrote:
>
> I'm not sure exactly how you're doing it, but it worked for me 
with  
> the arrow.  You should have 3 (nodes) dots - the initial 120 
node,  
> the final 60 node and the blue curve node.  You used the pencil 
to  
> create a 60bpm node at the end.  When you hover over the node, 
you  
> get the up/down arrow cursor.  When you hover over the line you 
get a  
> hand, and when you hover over the Tempo Curve Node, you get an 
index  
> finger pointer.  If the curve node dot is right above/at the 6bpm  
> point, then drag the blue dot towards the middle of the song to 
get  
> and modify the gradual transition.  I don't think I'm making 
sense  
> right now, but if I am, give it a shot.
> 
> Gregory
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:59 AM, dancensoul wrote:
> 
> > I've been through that section of the manual a FEW times, and 
cannot
> > seem to draw a gradual tempo curve in Logic 8. I am starting at a
> > tempo of 120 BPM and want to gradual go to 60 BPM to end a song.
> > Everytime I try to draw curve between two tempi, I just end up 
sliding
> > the first tempo node to the right? I am using the pencil tool, 
but
> > even tried the automation tools, as well as the marquis 
tool...same

> > effect. Can anyone help?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dancensoul" <dancensoul@...> wrote:
>
> Greg and Chuck...
> Thanks for the replies. I went back to the manual and strangely 
> enough, all I had to do was open up the Tempo Operations window and 
> everything was already set up for me to adjust...curve type and 
> all...it was a breeze using the TO window, instead of trying to do 
> it without.
> 
> Thanks,
> Doug
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:59 AM, dancensoul wrote:
> > 
> > > I've been through that section of the manual a FEW times, and 
> cannot
> > > seem to draw a gradual tempo curve in Logic 8....
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Doug
> >
>

Hey, Doug, 

Yeah! Congrats! When I learned that tool, I just had to put some tempo
changes in the next three or four projects I did, just to hear it
happen. Oh, yeah, the joy of getting a ritard juuuuust right... 

But now I'm mighty confused: Where else WERE you trying to do this? I
wasn't aware of anyplace besides the TO track that might even offer
the possibility.

chuck

I am spacing out here - can I "lock" individual tracks to prevent  
changes to them?

Of course. However, you have to configure the arrange page to show 
lock/unlock status. I used to lock tracks at times, but later when I wanted to do 
something, I had to reconfigure that column so it got to be a hassle not to mention 
Logic's warning messages about this. There may be a key command too - open the 
kc window and type "lock" into the search window.

> 
> I am spacing out here - can I "lock" individual tracks to prevent
> changes to them?
> 
> 
> 




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You can also hide tracks which accomplishes some of the same results.



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Cool Chuck...

I wasn't trying to do it anywhere else but the Temp track under 
Global tracks. My difficulty was trying to draw the curve without 
first opening the Tempo operations window. It wasn't until I went 
back to the manual that I opened it and voila!
--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "cb50dc" <cb50dc@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dancensoul" <dancensoul@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Greg and Chuck...
> > Thanks for the replies. I went back to the manual and strangely 
> > enough, all I had to do was open up the Tempo Operations window 
and 
> > everything was already set up for me to adjust...curve type and 
> > all...it was a breeze using the TO window, instead of trying to 
do 
> > it without.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Doug
> > > 
> > > On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:59 AM, dancensoul wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I've been through that section of the manual a FEW times, 
and 
> > cannot
> > > > seem to draw a gradual tempo curve in Logic 8....
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > >
> >
> 
> Hey, Doug, 
> 
> Yeah! Congrats! When I learned that tool, I just had to put some 
tempo
> changes in the next three or four projects I did, just to hear it
> happen. Oh, yeah, the joy of getting a ritard juuuuust right... 
> 
> But now I'm mighty confused: Where else WERE you trying to do 
this? I

> wasn't aware of anyplace besides the TO track that might even offer
> the possibility.
> 
> chuck
>

John, 

Did you mean to sent this to the chat room?

If not, I'm not sure what you mean.  But yes, you can lock individual tracks to prevent changes to each one.  Next to the button to freeze or to record there is a button to "lock" each one.

Tim

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  I am spacing out here - can I "lock" individual tracks to prevent 
  changes to them?


   

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I know this is basic but how do you hide tracks?

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Look at the configuration for arrange page items. you can check or uncheck 
lock, hide, etc to show or not to show.

> I know this is basic but how do you hide tracks?
> 




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--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dancensoul" <dancensoul@...> wrote:
>
> My difficulty was trying to draw the curve without 
> first opening the Tempo operations window.
>

Ahh, yeah. That would hinder the process. ;-)

FWIW, in learning Logic I've done plenty of things along that line as
well. Shoot, sometimes I still do. 

Dance on, man!

c

I hear u loud and clear. I'm lovin' Logic 8...thanks for the reply!

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "cb50dc" <cb50dc@...> wrote:

>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dancensoul" <dancensoul@> wrote:
> >
> > My difficulty was trying to draw the curve without 
> > first opening the Tempo operations window.
> >
> 
> Ahh, yeah. That would hinder the process. ;-)
> 
> FWIW, in learning Logic I've done plenty of things along that line as
> well. Shoot, sometimes I still do. 
> 
> Dance on, man!
> 
> c
>