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2013-11-02 by <carbontransfer@...>
Hi guys, I am new here and have NO IDEA of QTR, acutally I am not even sure how it Works. It has been suggested to me to use QTR print tool for my process since I need the option NO COLOR MANAGEMENT and CS5 has eliminated this from its menú (onle "photoshop or printer manages color" are available)
Looking at the website from QTR I get the impression this print tool is only for Mac. Is this correct? Thanks
2013-11-02 by David Kachel
2013-11-02 by <carbontransfer@...>
Thanks David, I tried that, buyt cannot for the life of me find the button of NO COLOR MANAGEMENT I cannot seem to find anything in the web either...
2013-11-03 by Roy Harrington
Hi guys, I am new here and have NO IDEA of QTR, acutally I am not even sure how it Works. It has been suggested to me to use QTR print tool for my process since I need the option NO COLOR MANAGEMENT and CS5 has eliminated this from its menú (onle "photoshop or printer manages color" are available)
Looking at the website from QTR I get the impression this print tool is only for Mac. Is this correct? Thanks
2013-11-03 by Ernst Dinkla
On 11/03/2013 07:29 PM, Roy Harrington wrote: > Yes. Print-Tool is Mac only. > The No Color Management option in Photoshop has been dropped on both Mac > and PC. > Keeping an old version of PS on your computer is probably the easiest if > you have one. > > I think there are other programs on Windows. Qimage is a possibility -- > but I don't use it. > > QTR the print driver is a completely different product. Its a whole > Epson printer driver > for printing B&W photos. It runs on both Mac and PC. > > Roy Qimage (Ultimate) does the job as it should be done. Set color management OFF in the Qimage driver and set color management to Application CM in the driver and both applications + the OS (Windows) will not interfere in that path by assigning a color space (like OS-X would do) where no color space should be applied. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2012: 500+ inkjet media paper white spectral plots.
2013-11-11 by Mike Finley
On 11/03/2013 07:29 PM, Roy Harrington wrote:
> Yes. Print-Tool is Mac only.
> The No Color Management option in Photoshop has been dropped on both Mac
> and PC.
> Keeping an old version of PS on your computer is probably the easiest if
> you have one.
>
> I think there are other programs on Windows. Qimage is a possibility --
> but I don't use it.
>
> QTR the print driver is a completely different product. Its a whole
> Epson printer driver
> for printing B&W photos. It runs on both Mac and PC.
>
> Roy
Qimage (Ultimate) does the job as it should be done.
Set color management OFF in the Qimage driver and set color management
to Application CM in the driver and both applications + the OS (Windows)
will not interfere in that path by assigning a color space (like OS-X
would do) where no color space should be applied.
--
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2012: 500+ inkjet media paper white spectral plots.
-- mike finley photography http://www.mikefinley.co.uk http://words.mikefinley.co.uk http://www.roguegenegallery.com/Mike_Finley-gallery.html
2013-11-11 by Ciprian
As far as I know there isn't an alternative for PCs. I'll
rertain an old PC running Wiondows 7 as long as possible.
No need to be tied to ancient hardware, that's one of the reasons "emulation" was invented for!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox then grab a valid license of Windows XP, make sure you never browse the Internet from within XP, and you're there. Can't vouch for USB but for networked printers (e.g. R3000) it works fairly well...2013-11-11 by Jacques Caron
What's the 'QTR print driver' - I seem to have missed that one?
Qimage (including Ultimate) as far as I know prints through the Windows/Epson driver. It doesn't use QTR curves. There is a qtrgui program specifically written for Windows, that has in the past been the only printing program for printing on Windows using QTR and completely bypasses the standard driver and the entire Windows printing system. To print with Qimage you output a monochrome file using a qtr profile (can't remember the name) and then print the file using qtrgui. The same process (outputting a file with the correct QTR profile) can be used with Photoshop.
Unfortunately qtrgui was built for an earlier version of Windows, and hasn't been updated for some time. It works (with minor hassles if you are using a 8 colour printer) up to Windows 7, but I think there have been reports it doesn't work with Windows 8. As far as I know there isn't an alternative for PCs. I'll rertain an old PC running Wiondows 7 as long as possible.On 03/11/2013 20:01, Ernst Dinkla wrote:On 11/03/2013 07:29 PM, Roy Harrington wrote:
> Yes. Print-Tool is Mac only.
> The No Color Management option in Photoshop has been dropped on both Mac
> and PC.
> Keeping an old version of PS on your computer is probably the easiest if
> you have one.
>
> I think there are other programs on Windows. Qimage is a possibility --
> but I don't use it.
>
> QTR the print driver is a completely different product. Its a whole
> Epson printer driver
> for printing B&W photos. It runs on both Mac and PC.
>
> Roy
Qimage (Ultimate) does the job as it should be done.
Set color management OFF in the Qimage driver and set color management
to Application CM in the driver and both applications + the OS (Windows)
will not interfere in that path by assigning a color space (like OS-X
would do) where no color space should be applied.
--
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2012: 500+ inkjet media paper white spectral plots.-- mike finley photography http://www.mikefinley.co.uk http://words.mikefinley.co.uk http://www.roguegenegallery.com/Mike_Finley-gallery.html
2013-11-11 by Ernst Dinkla
On 11/11/2013 12:58 PM, Mike Finley wrote: > What's the 'QTR print driver' - I seem to have missed that one? > The thread started with a need for an application that can print unassigned profiling targets without any color management getting involved. Usable for that purpose is QTR Print Tool written by Roy but it is Mac only (where it is most urgent too). That has nothing to do with the Quadtone Rip. A better name referring to Mac and profile target printing could do wonders to reduce confusion. For Windows there are many alternatives for that job as long as you do not use an Adobe program. Qimage (Ultimate) is one of them. Picture Window Pro can do it too I guess. Quadtone Rip can not be used at all for color printing including target printing in color for color profiles. The real problem started when Apple decided that a foolproof use of ICC profiles was needed. For that they made it impossible to print unassigned targets through the print path of OS-X and forced Adobe + Epson to cope with that. Which Adobe addressed by making it impossible as well in its programs for both Mac and Windows ?-) With the promise that there would be a separate program coming that would aim at unassigned target printing only. Took months to appear and had the unforgivable flaw that it scaled the target at its own will. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2012: 500+ inkjet media paper white spectral plots.
2013-11-11 by Mike Finley
Qimage can create a file that can be printed with the qtrgui program; as far as I know it can't print directly to any printer driver other than to standard Windows printer drivers (provided by either epson or microsoft), and the windows printer drivers don't know anything about QTR curves. The qtrgui program is no longer being maintained, does not support the latest (8 colour) epson printers, and is reported to have some problems with Windows 8. (Qtrgui, as I understand it, bypasses the Windows printer driver and uses an embedded gutenprint driver - the printing code at the core of the Mac OS)On 11/11/2013 12:58 PM, Mike Finley wrote:
> What's the 'QTR print driver' - I seem to have missed that one?
>
...
For Windows there are many alternatives for that job as long as you do
not use an Adobe program. Qimage (Ultimate) is one of them. Picture
Window Pro can do it too I guess.
agreed
Quadtone Rip can not be used at all for color printing including target
printing in color for color profiles.
--
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla
-- mike finley photography http://www.mikefinley.co.uk
2013-11-11 by Roy Harrington
Qimage can create a file that can be printed with the qtrgui program; as far as I know it can't print directly to any printer driver other than to standard Windows printer drivers (provided by either epson or microsoft), and the windows printer drivers don't know anything about QTR curves. The qtrgui program is no longer being maintained, does not support the latest (8 colour) epson printers, and is reported to have some problems with Windows 8. (Qtrgui, as I understand it, bypasses the Windows printer driver and uses an embedded gutenprint driver - the printing code at the core of the Mac OS)
On 11/11/2013 16:02, Ernst Dinkla wrote:
On 11/11/2013 12:58 PM, Mike Finley wrote:...
> What's the 'QTR print driver' - I seem to have missed that one?
>;
For Windows there are many alternatives for that job as long as you do
not use an Adobe program. Qimage (Ultimate) is one of them. Picture
Window Pro can do it too I guess.
agreed
Quadtone Rip can not be used at all for color printing including target
printing in color for color profiles.
--
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla
2013-11-11 by Mike Finley
For the most part all of you are right.
On Windows there is just one product -- QTR -- B&W printing from QTRgui layout tothe Epson printer. It's all one piece and can't be separated. There is No Color Mngt at all.There is an issue about maintaining the QTRgui frontend -- I didn't write it so I have noway to change anything. It works with no trouble on Windows XP & 7 as far as I know.It fully supports all the 8 ink printers. Its the 10 ink printers that have limited support.Printing works fine with them, but Curve Creation can't access the other 2 inks. If youget 10 ink curves from someone else, the printing works just fine with all 10 inks.The driver internals and actually the Curve create internals have all 10 inks. If you editthe .qidf with NotePad and drop them onto quadprofile.exe you can create 10 ink curvesbut yes its different and a bit more hassle. I'm trying to figure out a way to continueto fully maintain a product on Windows but so far its not clear how to accomplish this.The virtualization idea is a good idea, in fact that's how I've done a lot of the Windowswork for years on my Mac.
-- mike finley photography http://www.mikefinley.co.uk http://words.mikefinley.co.uk