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2006-05-13 by KevinG
I've just installed the K7 inks in my 2200. I'm running a few test prints and I'm generally pleased but they seem flat. I hadn't noticed this with the UC inks where the match to the calibrated screen was generally very good. It is, however a new flat panel ( apple cinema ) screen and I may not have looked that closely at the other prints before installing the K7 inks. Has anyone else noticed this?
2006-05-14 by Mark Stracke
I believe that the Cone folks designed the K7's to provide a long, smooth tonal gradation. You can always add contrast in a situation of that sort. I've made prints that are quite contrasty with the K7's; it's just a matter of working on the file while viewing through the ICC profile, either the generic one that comes with the QTR download, or one you've made yourself with the ICC creation tools that are included in the download. Mark Stracke --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote:
> > I've just installed the K7 inks in my 2200. I'm running a few test > prints and I'm generally pleased but they seem flat. > > Has anyone else noticed this? >
2006-05-14 by wjlafever
Kevin If you haven't tried the QTR Gray Lab working space, you might try that. I get a great print to screen match using it as my work/print space on a 2200. Will --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote:
> > I've just installed the K7 inks in my 2200. I'm running a few test > prints and I'm generally pleased but they seem flat. I hadn't > noticed this with the UC inks where the match to the calibrated > screen was generally very good. > > It is, however a new flat panel ( apple cinema ) screen and I may not > have looked that closely at the other prints before installing the K7 > inks. > > Has anyone else noticed this?
2006-05-15 by David Keenan
> I'm running a few test prints and I'm generally pleased but they seem flat. > Has anyone else noticed this? I'll take it further. Black and white prints from Qimage often appear flat to my eye when printed using the Epson R2400 and K3 inks compared to what I see on the screen and what I get when printing directly from Photoshop. My system is fully profiled and I'm pretty sure that the correct profiles are in place and that the printer is set the same in both situations. I, too, would like to hear some ideas. Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 5/15/2006
2006-05-15 by KevinG
OK. Thanks. All of the files are currently in a grey gamma 2.2. I assume the process to go throught is to 'convert to profile' to the QTR grey lab and then when printing to use the qtr grey matte a the print space ( with black point compression ? ). That has produced better but not perfect results. Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and buy an eye one and make icc profiles. I have one question about the eye-one products. I assume that all I need to make the B&W icc profiles is the measuring device. Is this true or do I need to purchase one of the Eye-One packages ( design, photo, proof etc )? --
On 14-May-06, at 11:55 AM, wjlafever wrote: > Kevin > > If you haven't tried the QTR Gray Lab working space, you might try > that. I get a great print to screen match using it as my work/print > space on a 2200. > > Will > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote: >> >> I've just installed the K7 inks in my 2200. I'm running a few test >> prints and I'm generally pleased but they seem flat. I hadn't >> noticed this with the UC inks where the match to the calibrated >> screen was generally very good. >> >> It is, however a new flat panel ( apple cinema ) screen and I may not >> have looked that closely at the other prints before installing the K7 >> inks. >> >> Has anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email > arrives > http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2006-05-15 by John Vitollo
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote: > Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and buy an eye one and make icc > profiles. I have one question about the eye-one products. I assume > that all I need to make the B&W icc profiles is the measuring > device. Is this true or do I need to purchase one of the Eye-One > packages ( design, photo, proof etc )? I vote for PrintFIX PRO by ColorVision - third the price of Eye-One: http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profis_view.jsp?id=521 Been using it with QTR and InkJetControl. Builds excellent color profiles too! If you shop around you can find it for under $400.00.... Just went to eBay, one vendor is selling it for $366.04...what an odd number! Do a search on eBay for: PrintFIX PRO Datacolor 1005 The Suite adds the Sypder2Pro for the monitor...same vendor has it for $445.99. Search for: PrintFIX PRO Suite w/Spyder2
2006-05-15 by KevinG
Thanks John. I like the sound of 1/3 the price. Are the equivalent instruments in terms or accuracy and usability for the purpose of creating B&W icc profiles? -- Kevin
On 15-May-06, at 10:17 AM, John Vitollo wrote: > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote: > >> Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and buy an eye one and make icc >> profiles. I have one question about the eye-one products. I assume >> that all I need to make the B&W icc profiles is the measuring >> device. Is this true or do I need to purchase one of the Eye-One >> packages ( design, photo, proof etc )? > > I vote for PrintFIX PRO by ColorVision - third the price of Eye-One: > > http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profis_view.jsp?id=521 > > Been using it with QTR and InkJetControl. Builds excellent color > profiles too! If you shop > around you can find it for under $400.00.... > > Just went to eBay, one vendor is selling it for $366.04...what an > odd number! > > Do a search on eBay for: PrintFIX PRO Datacolor 1005 > > The Suite adds the Sypder2Pro for the monitor...same vendor has it > for $445.99. > > Search for: PrintFIX PRO Suite w/Spyder2 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email > arrives > http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2006-05-15 by john dean
I know with my setup the profile that is recommended to send to QTR is NOT GG 2.2 but rather Roy's profile named QTR GREY MATTE PAPER. It is installed in Color Sync folder automatically when using installing the software. I have really nice blacks using this, with custom curves and without. But then I'm on a larger printer and with 6 channels not 7. You should try this and make sure you max black areas read 0 in greyscale photoshop reading. My 0 is really black, I love it and need no more. You really should make a custom curve for a particular paper though for best results in achieving the best subtlety. If all else fails you may try turning off all the QTR curve management by choosing QTR RAW as the curve to see what that does. John --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote:
> > OK. Thanks. > > All of the files are currently in a grey gamma 2.2. I assume the > process to go throught is to 'convert to profile' to the QTR grey lab > and then when printing to use the qtr grey matte a the print space > ( with black point compression ? ). > > That has produced better but not perfect results. > > Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and buy an eye one and make icc > profiles. I have one question about the eye-one products. I assume > that all I need to make the B&W icc profiles is the measuring > device. Is this true or do I need to purchase one of the Eye-One > packages ( design, photo, proof etc )? > > -- > > > On 14-May-06, at 11:55 AM, wjlafever wrote: > > > Kevin > > > > If you haven't tried the QTR Gray Lab working space, you might try > > that. I get a great print to screen match using it as my work/print > > space on a 2200. > > > > Will > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@> wrote: > >> > >> I've just installed the K7 inks in my 2200. I'm running a few test > >> prints and I'm generally pleased but they seem flat. I hadn't > >> noticed this with the UC inks where the match to the calibrated > >> screen was generally very good. > >> > >> It is, however a new flat panel ( apple cinema ) screen and I may not > >> have looked that closely at the other prints before installing the K7 > >> inks. > >> > >> Has anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > > ~--> > > Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email > > arrives > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2006-05-16 by John Vitollo
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote: > > Thanks John. I like the sound of 1/3 the price. Are the equivalent > instruments in terms or accuracy and usability for the purpose of > creating B&W icc profiles? I was in the same dilemma as you and was looking at the Eye-One to tweak my B+W. Then PrintFIX PRO came along and I tried it....works great. It's at least as accruate as the Eye- One. Here's some reviews: http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/Printfix%20Pro.shtml http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/printfix_pro.html I'd say the only negitive thing about it is that it's a one-click-per-patch reader... It's only an issue for making color profiles that have a 200+ or 700+ patch target. Unlike the Eye- One where you move the spectro across the row to read - with the PrintFIX spectro you need to click the spectro once for each patch. BUT if you are on a Mac I wrote an AppleScript to automatictaly read each row. http://homepage.mac.com/johnvito/printfix_applescript/printfix_pro_applescript.html If on Windows there is a program called HotKeys that can do the same.
2006-05-16 by KevinG
Thanks John. You've been a great help.
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, KevinG <keving@...> wrote: >> >> Thanks John. I like the sound of 1/3 the price. Are the equivalent >> instruments in terms or accuracy and usability for the purpose of >> creating B&W icc profiles? > > I was in the same dilemma as you and was looking at the Eye-One to > tweak my B+W. Then > PrintFIX PRO came along and I tried it....works great. It's at > least as accruate as the Eye- > One. > > Here's some reviews: > > http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/Printfix%20Pro.shtml > > http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/printfix_pro.html > > I'd say the only negitive thing about it is that it's a one-click- > per-patch reader... It's only > an issue for making color profiles that have a 200+ or 700+ patch > target. Unlike the Eye- > One where you move the spectro across the row to read - with the > PrintFIX spectro you > need to click the spectro once for each patch. BUT if you are on a > Mac I wrote an > AppleScript to automatictaly read each row. > > http://homepage.mac.com/johnvito/printfix_applescript/ > printfix_pro_applescript.html > > If on Windows there is a program called HotKeys that can do the same. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page > now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >