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Re: Freq. Shifter...Serge future?

2001-04-13 by Les Mizzell

> What kinds of things do people think would fill > the bill on this? I don't own a Serge yet. I can't even get a full catalog! So, all I've got to look at and study are a few color prints of some shop panels, plus what's out there on Egres. To be honest, with the existing module

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Re: Freq. Shifter...Serge future?

2001-04-13 by Bill Felton

Well, you know, I'm fascinated by the recurring theme (and not just in Serge-land) of "you'd think someone would manage to make a system that decidedly outdoes Serge in a bunch of ways". What kinds of things do people think would fill the bill on this? Or is it just a vague feeli

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Re: Freq. Shifter...Serge future?

2001-04-13 by hizumi@rocketmail.com

> > It seems that Mr Duncan took some > > Serge things from late 70's vintage and did mixed liberally with his own > > ideas. > > A little harsh again IMO. He's taken ideas from several different systems, > Digisound and Polyfusion for example. And why not if they sound good. err

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Re: OT: Future of Yahoo Groups

2001-04-12 by maf@mcs.net

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Scott Evans, Gen Mgr" wrote: > Hello to all, > > This message is being cross-posted to the four Yahoo groups with which I > spend the most time. > > I heard on the radio yesterday that Yahoo is in the beginning stages of > financial difficulty and that

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OT: Future of Yahoo Groups

2001-04-12 by Scott Evans, Gen Mgr

Hello to all, This message is being cross-posted to the four Yahoo groups with which I spend the most time. I heard on the radio yesterday that Yahoo is in the beginning stages of financial difficulty and that there are layoffs planned. My intention is to begin discussion on the

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A Totally Knobular Experience

2001-04-12 by matt wilson

greetings friends! AFAIK, STS has always used harry davies knobs. i've personally had a bit of a love/hate relationship with the little dudes over the years...sometimes i've felt like i'm driving a 4x4 with little teeny tires (or tyres for our European members), and i'm a big fat

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Re: Serge Knobs

2001-04-10 by matt wilson law office

"C. Whitten" wrote: > i've also been >> rather enamored with multi-size knobs like the buchla gear i've used. >> anyone up for "upgrading" the knobs >> on your TKB ;-)? Despite the discussion on the difficulty finding suitable knobs a friend of mine is looking for upwards of 100

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Serge Knobs

2001-04-09 by C. Whitten

> i've also been >> rather enamored with multi-size knobs like the buchla gear i've used. >> anyone up for "upgrading" the knobs >> on your TKB ;-)? Despite the discussion on the difficulty finding suitable knobs a friend of mine is looking for upwards of 100 to recondition a pre

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Re: Phaser (was: Re: [SergeModular] Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO)

2001-04-09 by Steve Ridley

> Yes it's true. Unless the vactrols are just soldered to the circuit > board for show... :-) Any idea when he started using vactrols? And which type and how many? Was the LM3900 type ever used in Phaser modules, or just in the toy guitar thing? Steve "too many questions" Ridley

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-09 by Steve Ridley

> > What about one module which contains lowpass, highpass and coupler. Isn't the variable bandwidth filter just the highpass of one VCF coupled to the lowpass of another. Still only 12dB/Octave though. > Something similar (and banana socketed) is the old Synton 3224 VCF> That's

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-08 by jhaible@t-online.de

> I just don't think it sounds very rich for tape phasing effects. I'm sure > it's excellent for other phase related functions. "Tape phasing" ? That would be Flanging rather than phasing, wouldn't it ? The Eventide Instant Flanger had a nice feature to emulate tape flanging: A "

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-08 by C. Whitten

> What about one module which contains lowpass, highpass and coupler. Something similar (and banana socketed) is the old Synton 3224 VCF > I am often told (and seem to hear) the > circuitry (vactrol) makes for very nice phasing sounds. I just don't think it sounds very rich for t

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-08 by Sebastian Kuehnl

----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Whitten" chris@... > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO : : > I would like Rex to do his own 24db filter though - just not : > in the style of any o

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-08 by C. Whitten

> I would like Rex to do his own 24db filter though - just not > in the style of any other manufacturer. Yes, although the VCFQ has it's merits I just don't think it matches the giddy heights set by most of the other Serge modules. Some people think that any 'multi-mode' is a com

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-08 by Real Name

>VCFQ is very versatile as audio filter, resonator, percussion sounds >w/trigger input, good point! I forgot about this feature... its killer. There is an amazing electronic percussion intro by Stevie Wonder on Syreeta's 1972 version of 'I Love Every Little Thing About You' - cre

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-07 by John Papiewski

Oh, I have the VCFQ and the phaser, and the DSG & DTG! The DSG & DTG are very useful as funky odd filters for creating some mellowness, rolling off buzziness or unwanted brightness. VCFQ is very versatile as audio filter, resonator, percussion sounds w/trigger input, sinewave osc

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Re: Wiard Filter + Serge/TONTO

2001-04-07 by Real Name

>What do others think of the Serge VC filters? I only have the VCFQ and my thoughts are that its VERY clean - pristine actually. I think it excels when attempting to emulate 'real' acoustic sounds and with some help from the Res EQ and Phaser I can get into King Tubby 'flying hi-

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Wiard Filter (was: STS, Turn around times, etc.)

2001-04-07 by alt-mode

I've had the privilage to play around with the Wiard Filter and it is quite an interesting module. It is a rather "clean" filter with little grunge or distortion. It doesn't sound to my ears that, in low pass mode, the low freqencies are attenuated as the Q is increased, at least

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PDN/ Re: [SergeModular] Re: What is a Frequency Shifter?

2001-04-07 by Sebastian Kuehnl

: I haven't heard of anyone making a PDN module for a modular synth : system, but if there was one, you could probably patch up your own : frequency shifter manually using a PDN, two ring mods, a quadrature : oscillator and a mixer. : : -Chris As Dan Slater enlightened me the Buc

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Re: What is a Frequency Shifter?

2001-04-07 by Steve Ridley

> In the case of the Serge external carrier shifter, an extra PDN would be > needed to take the external carrier input and make sine and cosine > versions of it. In the internal version, the built-in carrier > oscillator comes with sine and cosine outputs (it's a quadrature > osc

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Re: Serge kits? (was: monolith panels vs seperate modules)

2001-04-07 by Steve Ridley

>> Just as an afterthought, does anyone know why Serge modules aren't being >> offered in kit form anymore? > You ever taken one of these puppies apart?? what a nightmare. At Serge prices, there's no excuse for them being a nightmare. Steve Ridley

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Re: What is a Frequency Shifter?

2001-04-07 by Chris MacDonald

Hi Igor, PDN is "phase difference network". It's a circuit used inside a frequency shifter to create two versions of the input signal which will have a 90 degree relative phase difference between each other over a wide frequency range. Frequency shifters need a sine and cosine ve

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by C. Whitten

> But damn.. sure wish he'd redo that resonant EQ. I've been buggin' > him for years about it. Oh well... (sigh) The Resonant Eq is superb as it is.....err isn't it. It would be awesome with some voltage control though.

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 4/6/01 3:18:37 AM, chris@... writes: to start looking like Wiard or getting quite as complex either. >> Don't think you have to worry about that. However if these to guys do get together, any changes will be on the inside. If Grant came up with something outrag

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 4/6/01 2:04:46 AM, opart@... writes: panels in stock and ready to ship??? Are they still taking orders? >> No they don't. Rex and Kevin have duplicate benches now but as far as i know Kevin isn't going to be building for awile. R&D is on hold for awhile. The mo

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Re: Frequency Shifter MP3's

2001-04-06 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 4/5/01 10:08:45 PM, macdonald@... writes: hear what it sounds like on acoustic sounds (voice, piano, guitar, etc). >> Try running a pre-recorded sound thru it.. a CD or tape.. whatever. Rex came up to my place a few years back and we ran a CD of the Ventures th

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 4/5/01 8:59:47 PM, sebsi23@... writes: in a 1U box and make BIG MONEY!) >> he'd look at me like i told him his dog had just died. LOL You had that same conversation too huh?? Everytime i went to Oakland Rex and i would get into this.... with the same results...

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Re: ..Serge future?

2001-04-06 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 4/5/01 5:33:45 PM, johnp@... writes: What happened to Roxanne & Kevin & the rest of the Oakland crew... I thought they were doing the shop panels & Rex was doing the custom stuff...??? >> Kevin is kinda on the back burner ... he's not building. And Roxanne is o

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by dlh30039@yahoo.com

If you think about it, you have a similar situation with EMS. Robin Wood has been steadfast in maintaining the quality and style throughout the years. In both cases one will have to wait a bit. And while EMS & STS are quite different, they both have an undeniable sense of soul. T

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by John Papiewski

I like the car analogy... there's TVR, Morgan, etc.. are they still around?? Also, yes, the Serge/STS module prices are very competitive. Really, the only issue is, having to buy a whole $2700 panel at a time. norman fay wrote: > > > Well, I completely agree with the above...the

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by norman fay

In message chris@... >, C. Whitten chris@... > writes >I have mixed thoughts on some of the opinions expressed about Rex himself >though. >In any case, he deserves recognition for picking up Serge, sorting out the >modules and keeping the company running in order for us to purcha

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by C. Whitten

Lots of interesting opinion and info in all the mails on this subject. Those 'in the know' seem to think that Rex (or STS) will be able to turn around panels much quicker in the coming months and that will be welcome. (Great to hear he's training up a couple of people). I have mi

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by Real Name

Firstly, thankyou Matt for asking Rex about the mysterious Compressor feature on the FS. yes, there will be new serge knobs. while i've been >pleased with the harry davies model, i've also been >rather enamored with multi-size knobs like the buchla gear i've used. > anyone up for

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Re: Serge kits? (was: monolith panels vs seperate modules)

2001-04-06 by Scott Evans, Gen Mgr

Igor, When I spoke to Rex on this subject, he indicated that he wanted to control the quality of construction. Too many returns on the kit built modules because of improper construction technique. Scott dahlia13@... wrote: Just as an afterthought, does anyone know why Serge modul

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Re: Frequency Shifter MP3's

2001-04-06 by Chris MacDonald

Glad you liked the sounds. I will try to find some more acoustic-type sounds to process if I get the chance. Argh, too many things to do and not enough time! :-) -Chris dahlia13@... wrote: > > Hey, these are great! Thanks for putting them up. In the "up" file, your frequency shif

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Re: Frequency Shifter MP3's

2001-04-06 by dahlia13@bigfoot.com

Hey, these are great! Thanks for putting them up. In the "up" file, your frequency shifter sounds a bit like a ring modulator when it gets really high, but otherwise, it's not like any effect I've heard before. If it was kept to smaller ranges, it could almost pass as varispeeded

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Re: ..Serge future (long, long, opinionated semi rant)

2001-04-06 by sebsi23@home.com

--- In SergeModular@y..., DarkStr717@a... wrote: > ... Let's see here: john, thanks for the update. i had a long rap w/ rex today as well, and i will say he's being consistent with everything john reported. yes, there will be new serge knobs. while i've been pleased with the harr

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Re: What is a Frequency Shifter?

2001-04-06 by dahlia13@bigfoot.com

> > One thing I always wondered about the external carrier > version is the lowest possible frequency shift. > PDNs have a lower corner frequency by definition. The Excuse my ignorance, but what does PDN stand for? Igor.

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What the Compressed FRS Output Does from Rex

2001-04-06 by sebsi23@home.com

I asked Rex what the Compressed output on the FRS does; he said "its the input, but compressed!". Thanks..... I pressed him, and he said that the input signal is compressed in order to remove (or at least not increase) spurious sidebands anyway, and the output merely taps that pa

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Re: ..Serge future?

2001-04-05 by John Papiewski

Whoa... What happened to Roxanne & Kevin & the rest of the Oakland crew... I thought they were doing the shop panels & Rex was doing the custom stuff...??? DarkStr717@... wrote: > .... Let's see here: > all panels are now being built in Wisconsin. Right now, shop panels have > pr

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Re: long wait

2001-04-05 by Tentochi

I guess I shouldn't complain when it takes me 10 days to get an MOTM module. Cheers! Todd http://www.synthtech.com/motm > -----Original Message----- > From: r. kleckner [mailto: robertkleckner@... ] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:27 AM > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com > Sub

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Re: monolith panels vs seperate modules (was: Serge future?)

2001-04-05 by dahlia13@bigfoot.com

Although the serge panel is a > smashing, & very cool thing, I really *really* wish they'd supply > seperate modules, and a mounting frame/rails like everyone else does. > buying a couple of modules at a time, I can manage. Scraping up 2 > grand+ in one go is VERY difficult for m

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Re: ..Serge future?

2001-04-05 by DarkStr717@aol.com

... Let's see here: all panels are now being built in Wisconsin. Right now, shop panels have priority although custom work ordered before the move are also being built. Getting the entire shop panel line up and running is the first task and finding qualified assemblers is proving

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Re: Freq. Shifter...Serge future?

2001-04-05 by John Papiewski

C. Whitten wrote: > > How many businesses can afford to have such an attitude, especially with the > amount of competition around today. > It isn't bad attitude if you want to change priorities & enjoy life outside of building synths. If you believe that competition is going to '

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Re: STS, Turn around times, etc.

2001-04-05 by Les Mizzell

> The fellow on the phone said, no, that the > person was some guy named Grant Richter (of the > Wiard Synthesizer Company). Rex, of course > then called Grant. Rumor has it that Grant > and Rex may be doing some joint projects and > merging some of their manufacturing facilities

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