SergeModular

> Due to constant "fine tuning" of my rather large Serge system (also
> known as the "John Duval Syndrome" who formerly owned the "fist of
> god" for all who do not know) I am considering to part with a custom
> Serge panel that was made by Peter Grenader (Plan B) for Dennis
> Verschoor some time ago.
>
> Pics and a short description of the module are still available at:
> http://www.buzzclick-music.com/misc.html (its panel 2)
> http://www.buzzclick-music.com/panel2all.jpg
>
> I bought this panel from Dennis a few months ago and it would be nice
> to get the money I paid him which was 1800 Euros.
>
> I am located in Germany.
>
> Have fun with your Serge
>
> Frank
>
> Btw: I might also sell a TKB (pre STS) for 1200 Euros.
>
>
>
>

> It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel to hang
> there unsupported against that ivy wall.
>
> - P
>
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> Frank : ) sorry to hear that your suffering from "john duval
syndrome"
> If not properly treated it can be fatal to your financial health
and mental stability.
> The only known cure is to just give it all away. Forget the
money, . . . just walk away!
> . . .here's my mailing address.
> LMAO!!!
> kind regards
> john "Cpt.Fog" duval
> . . that's one cool panel ya got there son.
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@...>
> > Due to constant "fine tuning" of my rather large Serge system
(also
> > known as the "John Duval Syndrome" who formerly owned the "fist
of
> > god" for all who do not know) I am considering to part with a
custom
> > Serge panel that was made by Peter Grenader (Plan B) for Dennis
> > Verschoor some time ago.
> >
> > Pics and a short description of the module are still available at:
> > http://www.buzzclick-music.com/misc.html (its panel 2)
> > http://www.buzzclick-music.com/panel2all.jpg
> >
> > I bought this panel from Dennis a few months ago and it would be
nice
> > to get the money I paid him which was 1800 Euros.
> >
> > I am located in Germany.
> >
> > Have fun with your Serge
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Btw: I might also sell a TKB (pre STS) for 1200 Euros.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel to

> there unsupported against that ivy wall.
>
> - P
>

>
> Help is appreciated
>
> Frank
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
> out)" <peter@> wrote:
> >
> > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel to
> hang
> > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> >
> > - P
> >
>

>
>

> Hi John,
>
> first of all I wish you a happy new year (or should I say a healthy
> new year because you are sooooo old...hahaha. Thats saying someone
> whose 2 halves of his body do not seem to fit together generating
> constantly pain for years now...)!
>
> I think I want to be sick from the Serge virus for quite a
> while...its so nice to suffer from Serge fever and treat your ears
> with never heard accoustic bombardements!
>
> And Dennis, I also wish you the very best with your Wiard addiction!!!
>
> Frank
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
> >
> > Frank : ) sorry to hear that your suffering from "john duval
> syndrome"
> > If not properly treated it can be fatal to your financial health
> and mental stability.
> > The only known cure is to just give it all away. Forget the
> money, . . . just walk away!
> > . . .here's my mailing address.
> > LMAO!!!
> > kind regards
> > john "Cpt.Fog" duval
> > . . that's one cool panel ya got there son.
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@...>
> > > Due to constant "fine tuning" of my rather large Serge system
> (also
> > > known as the "John Duval Syndrome" who formerly owned the "fist
> of
> > > god" for all who do not know) I am considering to part with a
> custom
> > > Serge panel that was made by Peter Grenader (Plan B) for Dennis
> > > Verschoor some time ago.
> > >
> > > Pics and a short description of the module are still available at:
> > > http://www.buzzclick-music.com/misc.html (its panel 2)
> > > http://www.buzzclick-music.com/panel2all.jpg
> > >
> > > I bought this panel from Dennis a few months ago and it would be
> nice
> > > to get the money I paid him which was 1800 Euros.
> > >
> > > I am located in Germany.
> > >
> > > Have fun with your Serge
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > Btw: I might also sell a TKB (pre STS) for 1200 Euros.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

> You heard him, folks...John needs drugs!
>
>

> Hi Peter,
>
> nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
>
> I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun" which is
> at the moment on my technicians workbench.
>
> He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I bought
> some time ago.
>
> Questions are:
> - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple event
> timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when describing
> the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look at the
> panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football stadium
> with them...
> - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were originally
> setup for?
>
> Help is appreciated
>
> Frank
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
> out)" <peter@...> wrote:
> >
> > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel to
> hang
> > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> >
> > - P
> >
>
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> john
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@...>
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> >
> > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun" which
is
> > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> >
> > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
bought
> > some time ago.
> >
> > Questions are:
> > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
event
> > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
describing
> > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look at the
> > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
stadium
> > with them...
> > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
originally
> > setup for?
> >
> > Help is appreciated
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
that
> > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel
to
> > hang
> > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > >
> > > - P
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Four suggestions:
>
> 1) Wear welding goggles
>
> 2) ...and Sunscreen (that's Duval's joke, btw)
>
> 3) Each LED has a current limit resistor - should be something
> between a 510 ohm to 1K. Whatever they are replace them with the x2
> value (so if they're 510 ohm, replace them wth 1K)
>
> 4) Replace the blue LEDs with red ones.
>
> I haven't seen that panel for years, but if I remember correctly

> of those current limiters may be a bit of a chore to get to.
>
> sorry about that!
>
> - P
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Help is appreciated
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure

> > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel

> > hang
> > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > >
> > > - P
> > >
> >
>

>
> We could really use more self-contained 'mini-modulars', imo! Bring

> Synthi aesthetic!
>
> On 1/24/08, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
> >
> > I agree on the look/density point. I, for one, would love to have

> > Serge-like panel filled with Plan B modules. However, afaik, the

> > labor involved in producing those panels is very high.
> >
> > On 1/24/08, fhserge <Frank.Hettlich@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems to be a funny newgroup at the moment ... you know,

> > > have great respect for "british" black humor that you obviously
> > > always had and still have!!! We (or at least I) NEED you as a
> > > newsgroup anarchist...
> > >
> > > It might be a little bit off-topic but who cares...
> > >
> > > Back to my custom panel(s):
> > > I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> > > regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS,

> > > Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike

> > > panels. They offer IMHO by far the best compromise of feature

> > > and are the best looking synths on this planet...ok, my opinion
> > > solely...
> > >
> > > Even Cynthia does not offer ZOs in Serge format!
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%

> > > darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> > > > john
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> > > > > Hi Peter,
> > > > >
> > > > > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun"

> > > is
> > > > > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
> > > bought
> > > > > some time ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Questions are:
> > > > > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
> > > event
> > > > > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
> > > describing
> > > > > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look

> > > > > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
> > > stadium
> > > > > with them...
> > > > > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
> > > originally
> > > > > setup for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Help is appreciated
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%

> > > "(i think you can figure
> > > that
> > > > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that

> > > to
> > > > > hang
> > > > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - P
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@...> wrote:
>
> Ok Peter, I see, welding goggles might be the most practical choice...
> cheaper than my technician probably...
>
> Ever thought about a Serge alike Plan B panel? A Minisynth in Serge
> clothes with e. g. ONE Model 15, a filter module, model 10, model
> 28 ... I would buy one (or two)!
>
> Frank
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
> out)" <peter@> wrote:
> >
> > Four suggestions:
> >
> > 1) Wear welding goggles
> >
> > 2) ...and Sunscreen (that's Duval's joke, btw)
> >
> > 3) Each LED has a current limit resistor - should be something
> > between a 510 ohm to 1K. Whatever they are replace them with the x2
> > value (so if they're 510 ohm, replace them wth 1K)
> >
> > 4) Replace the blue LEDs with red ones.
> >
> > I haven't seen that panel for years, but if I remember correctly
> some
> > of those current limiters may be a bit of a chore to get to.
> >
> > sorry about that!
> >
> > - P
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Help is appreciated
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
> that
> > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel
> to
> > > hang
> > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > >
> > > > - P
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> Ok Peter, I see, welding goggles might be the most practical choice...
> cheaper than my technician probably...
>
> Ever thought about a Serge alike Plan B panel? A Minisynth in Serge
> clothes with e. g. ONE Model 15, a filter module, model 10, model
> 28 ... I would buy one (or two)!
>
> Frank
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
> out)" <peter@...> wrote:
> >
> > Four suggestions:
> >
> > 1) Wear welding goggles
> >
> > 2) ...and Sunscreen (that's Duval's joke, btw)
> >
> > 3) Each LED has a current limit resistor - should be something
> > between a 510 ohm to 1K. Whatever they are replace them with the x2
> > value (so if they're 510 ohm, replace them wth 1K)
> >
> > 4) Replace the blue LEDs with red ones.
> >
> > I haven't seen that panel for years, but if I remember correctly
> some
> > of those current limiters may be a bit of a chore to get to.
> >
> > sorry about that!
> >
> > - P
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Help is appreciated
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
> that
> > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel
> to
> > > hang
> > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > >
> > > > - P
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

> We could really use more self-contained 'mini-modulars', imo! Bring back the
> Synthi aesthetic!
>
> On 1/24/08, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
> >
> > I agree on the look/density point. I, for one, would love to have a
> > Serge-like panel filled with Plan B modules. However, afaik, the cost and
> > labor involved in producing those panels is very high.
> >
> > On 1/24/08, fhserge <Frank.Hettlich@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems to be a funny newgroup at the moment ... you know, John, that I
> > > have great respect for "british" black humor that you obviously
> > > always had and still have!!! We (or at least I) NEED you as a
> > > newsgroup anarchist...
> > >
> > > It might be a little bit off-topic but who cares...
> > >
> > > Back to my custom panel(s):
> > > I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> > > regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS, Doepfer,
> > > Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike looking
> > > panels. They offer IMHO by far the best compromise of feature density
> > > and are the best looking synths on this planet...ok, my opinion
> > > solely...
> > >
> > > Even Cynthia does not offer ZOs in Serge format!
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > darkstr1746@... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> > > > john
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@...>
> > > > > Hi Peter,
> > > > >
> > > > > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun" which
> > > is
> > > > > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
> > > bought
> > > > > some time ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Questions are:
> > > > > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
> > > event
> > > > > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
> > > describing
> > > > > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look at the
> > > > > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
> > > stadium
> > > > > with them...
> > > > > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
> > > originally
> > > > > setup for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Help is appreciated
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "(i think you can figure
> > > that
> > > > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel
> > > to
> > > > > hang
> > > > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - P
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

> Seems to be a funny newgroup at the moment ... you know, John, that I
> have great respect for "british" black humor that you obviously
> always had and still have!!! We (or at least I) NEED you as a
> newsgroup anarchist...
>
> It might be a little bit off-topic but who cares...
>
> Back to my custom panel(s):
> I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS, Doepfer,
> Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike looking
> panels. They offer IMHO by far the best compromise of feature density
> and are the best looking synths on this planet...ok, my opinion
> solely...
>
>
> Even Cynthia does not offer ZOs in Serge format!
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
> >
> > Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> > john
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@...>
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> > >
> > > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun" which
> is
> > > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> > >
> > > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
> bought
> > > some time ago.
> > >
> > > Questions are:
> > > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
> event
> > > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
> describing
> > > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look at the
> > > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
> stadium
> > > with them...
> > > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
> originally
> > > setup for?
> > >
> > > Help is appreciated
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
> that
> > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel
> to
> > > hang
> > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > >
> > > > - P
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

>
> I agree on the look/density point. I, for one, would love to have a
> Serge-like panel filled with Plan B modules. However, afaik, the

> labor involved in producing those panels is very high.
>
> On 1/24/08, fhserge <Frank.Hettlich@...> wrote:
> >
> > Seems to be a funny newgroup at the moment ... you know, John,

> > have great respect for "british" black humor that you obviously
> > always had and still have!!! We (or at least I) NEED you as a
> > newsgroup anarchist...
> >
> > It might be a little bit off-topic but who cares...
> >
> > Back to my custom panel(s):
> > I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> > regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS, Doepfer,
> > Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike looking
> > panels. They offer IMHO by far the best compromise of feature density
> > and are the best looking synths on this planet...ok, my opinion
> > solely...
> >
> > Even Cynthia does not offer ZOs in Serge format!
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> > > john
> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > >
> > > > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> > > >
> > > > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun" which
> > is
> > > > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> > > >
> > > > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
> > bought
> > > > some time ago.
> > > >
> > > > Questions are:
> > > > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
> > event
> > > > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
> > describing
> > > > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look at the
> > > > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
> > stadium
> > > > with them...
> > > > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
> > originally
> > > > setup for?
> > > >
> > > > Help is appreciated
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com

> > "(i think you can figure
> > that
> > > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that panel
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > > >
> > > > > - P
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> I respectfully disagree! Listen, I'd love to boost the price for

> reason, but it wouldn't be justified. Putting several modules on a
> single panel wouldn't cost more (at least not much more, if anything
> would be a better way to say it) than putting the same modules on
> several faceplates. Plan B uses the same photo-sentivie aluminum
> technology as STS does for its panels. We're already paying that
> premium. Punching holes in one as opposed to a few would actually

> easier. It would not use the Serge 'open book' format. The jacks
> would be hard soldered to a PCB mounted parallel to the faceplate,

> would the panel knobs, switches and LEDs. Every wire increases the
> chances of a defects. Our goal would be to do this without wires,
> with everything hard-soldered instead.
>
> I assure you it would run less than a similarity-equipped Serge

>
> - P
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
> <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree on the look/density point. I, for one, would love to have

> > Serge-like panel filled with Plan B modules. However, afaik, the
> cost and
> > labor involved in producing those panels is very high.
> >
> > On 1/24/08, fhserge <Frank.Hettlich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems to be a funny newgroup at the moment ... you know, John,
> that I
> > > have great respect for "british" black humor that you obviously
> > > always had and still have!!! We (or at least I) NEED you as a
> > > newsgroup anarchist...
> > >
> > > It might be a little bit off-topic but who cares...
> > >
> > > Back to my custom panel(s):
> > > I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> > > regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS,

> > > Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike

> > > panels. They offer IMHO by far the best compromise of feature

> > > and are the best looking synths on this planet...ok, my opinion
> > > solely...
> > >
> > > Even Cynthia does not offer ZOs in Serge format!
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%

> > > darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> > > > john
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> > > > > Hi Peter,
> > > > >
> > > > > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun"

> > > is
> > > > > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
> > > bought
> > > > > some time ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Questions are:
> > > > > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
> > > event
> > > > > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
> > > describing
> > > > > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look

> > > > > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
> > > stadium
> > > > > with them...
> > > > > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
> > > originally
> > > > > setup for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Help is appreciated
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "(i think you can figure
> > > that
> > > > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that

> > > to
> > > > > hang
> > > > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - P
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

> Thats exactly what I thought!
>
> So pre-orders welcome...
>
> Another nice panel would be an "effects panel" made of all available
> Modcan effect modules (spring reverb, analog delay, digital delay,
> flanger, frequency shifter). Should not be that difficult to make as
> Bruce already has the "banana" Modcan A series.
>
> Last idea would be "controller panel" made of the new Wiard 2 HE
> controller (2 joysticks, 2 jags).
>
> Your ideas are welcome!
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that
> out)" <peter@...> wrote:
> >
> > I respectfully disagree! Listen, I'd love to boost the price for
> this
> > reason, but it wouldn't be justified. Putting several modules on a
> > single panel wouldn't cost more (at least not much more, if anything
> > would be a better way to say it) than putting the same modules on
> > several faceplates. Plan B uses the same photo-sentivie aluminum
> > technology as STS does for its panels. We're already paying that
> > premium. Punching holes in one as opposed to a few would actually
> be
> > easier. It would not use the Serge 'open book' format. The jacks
> > would be hard soldered to a PCB mounted parallel to the faceplate,
> as
> > would the panel knobs, switches and LEDs. Every wire increases the
> > chances of a defects. Our goal would be to do this without wires,
> > with everything hard-soldered instead.
> >
> > I assure you it would run less than a similarity-equipped Serge
> panel.
> >
> > - P
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
> > <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree on the look/density point. I, for one, would love to have
> a
> > > Serge-like panel filled with Plan B modules. However, afaik, the
> > cost and
> > > labor involved in producing those panels is very high.
> > >
> > > On 1/24/08, fhserge <Frank.Hettlich@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Seems to be a funny newgroup at the moment ... you know, John,
> > that I
> > > > have great respect for "british" black humor that you obviously
> > > > always had and still have!!! We (or at least I) NEED you as a
> > > > newsgroup anarchist...
> > > >
> > > > It might be a little bit off-topic but who cares...
> > > >
> > > > Back to my custom panel(s):
> > > > I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> > > > regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS,
> Doepfer,
> > > > Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike
> looking
> > > > panels. They offer IMHO by far the best compromise of feature
> density
> > > > and are the best looking synths on this planet...ok, my opinion
> > > > solely...
> > > >
> > > > Even Cynthia does not offer ZOs in Serge format!
> > > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dude !! i told you to wear welders goggles!!
> > > > > john
> > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > > From: "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> > > > > > Hi Peter,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > nice to see you on this forum! You are making great stuff!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also bought your custom "John Duval's custom panel o'fun"
> which
> > > > is
> > > > > > at the moment on my technicians workbench.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He is putting the caseless thing into an empty Serge panel I
> > > > bought
> > > > > > some time ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Questions are:
> > > > > > - how do I get rid of the "driving blind" leds of the triple
> > > > event
> > > > > > timers, i. e. darken them? I thought John was kidding when
> > > > describing
> > > > > > the "lights on" effect...it is simply not possible to look
> at the
> > > > > > panel because the leds are so ... you can lighten a football
> > > > stadium
> > > > > > with them...
> > > > > > - is it possible to use +/-12v instead of +/-15v they were
> > > > originally
> > > > > > setup for?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Help is appreciated
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "(i think you can figure
> > > > that
> > > > > > out)" <peter@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It amazing, but no one ever commented on how I got that
> panel
> > > > to
> > > > > > hang
> > > > > > > there unsupported against that ivy wall.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - P
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

> "Panelized" modulars are for people who never change their mind.
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "evetsterueb" <synth@...> wrote:
>
> "Panelized" modulars are for people who never change their mind.
>

> I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS, Doepfer,
> Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike
>looking panels.

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Stone" <sasami@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> wrote:
>
> > I am just curious about the mentality of the Serge community
> > regarding panels made from different manufacturers (CGS, Doepfer,
> > Plan B) as I thought more than once about making Serge alike
> >looking panels.
>
> Pretty much my opionion on this. If you noticed, most of the CGS PCBs
> are designed to fit nicely behind a Serge panel. My own synth is
being
> done this way, though I long ago learned to do them as individual
> modules, and not those full-rack monstrosities - they are too much of
a
> pain to wire.
>

>
> Hi Ken,
>
> do you know if there are any .fpd for Serge alike CGS modules

>
> And maybe you know what kind of knobs were used on the paper faced
> Serge panels? I know you own a quite large paper faced Serge system.
>
> Frank

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Stone" <sasami@...> wrote:
>
> No idea on either, sorry. When I make my panels, I use a laser
> printer and paper, so my designs are in photoshop. As for the knobs,
> the larger knobs (1/4" shaft) appear to be Marshall amp knobs, while
> the smaller ones (1/8" shaft) I have never seen anywhere else. Most
> likely something Serge was able to get surplus, as a lot of what was
> used in the paper face synths appears to have been.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > do you know if there are any .fpd for Serge alike CGS modules
> available?
> >
> > And maybe you know what kind of knobs were used on the paper faced
> > Serge panels? I know you own a quite large paper faced Serge system.
> >
> > Frank
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Stone" <sasami@...> wrote:
>
> No idea on either, sorry. When I make my panels, I use a laser
> printer and paper, so my designs are in photoshop. As for the
knobs,
> the larger knobs (1/4" shaft) appear to be Marshall amp knobs,
while
> the smaller ones (1/8" shaft) I have never seen anywhere else. Most
> likely something Serge was able to get surplus, as a lot of what
was
> used in the paper face synths appears to have been.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > do you know if there are any .fpd for Serge alike CGS modules
> available?
> >
> > And maybe you know what kind of knobs were used on the paper
faced
> > Serge panels? I know you own a quite large paper faced Serge
system.
> >
> > Frank
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "evetsterueb" <synth@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The Serge gear I'm familiar with from the early '80s used only
skinny
> knobs (approx 12mm diameter, 1/8" shafts) which appear to be the
> Davies 1900-H. I've seen them listed at Allied (alliedelec.com) as
> recently as this summer. $2.42 in small quantity. Earlier panels
also
> used some larger knobs. As far as I know, the Davies knobs (or
> something just like them) are still used.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Stone" <sasami@> wrote:
> >
> > No idea on either, sorry. When I make my panels, I use a laser
> > printer and paper, so my designs are in photoshop. As for the
knobs,
> > the larger knobs (1/4" shaft) appear to be Marshall amp knobs,
while
> > the smaller ones (1/8" shaft) I have never seen anywhere else.
Most
> > likely something Serge was able to get surplus, as a lot of what
was
> > used in the paper face synths appears to have been.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "fhserge" <Frank.Hettlich@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ken,
> > >
> > > do you know if there are any .fpd for Serge alike CGS modules
> > available?
> > >
> > > And maybe you know what kind of knobs were used on the paper
faced
> > > Serge panels? I know you own a quite large paper faced Serge
system.
> > >
> > > Frank
> >
>

On Jan 28, 2008 8:02 AM, Steve Ridley <spr@...> wrote:

> thanks for your hint! As far as I know the beautiful looking Davies
> knobs you mention are used by several synth makers like Serge, Modcan
> A, Wiard etc and they do actually fit on the larger shafts but not on
> the (quite unusual, very thin!) 1/8" shafts.

If you realy want to go for the Davies 1900 knobs, they are (or were)
available for 1/8" shafts.

http://www.daviesmolding.com/standard-products/plastic-knobs/instrument-knobs/default.html

Actually finding any in this size might be very difficult.

Steve

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, bbob <fluxmonk@...> wrote:
>
> Mouser has a "shaft hole adapter" (part #506-KR1), which slips
inside a 1/4"
> knob and allows you to mount it on 1/8" shafts... very handy.
>
> bbob
> www.fluxmonkey.com
>
> On Jan 28, 2008 8:02 AM, Steve Ridley <spr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > thanks for your hint! As far as I know the beautiful looking
Davies
> > > knobs you mention are used by several synth makers like Serge,
Modcan
> > > A, Wiard etc and they do actually fit on the larger shafts but
not on
> > > the (quite unusual, very thin!) 1/8" shafts.
> >
> > If you realy want to go for the Davies 1900 knobs, they are (or
were)
> > available for 1/8" shafts.
> >
> >
> > http://www.daviesmolding.com/standard-products/plastic-
knobs/instrument-knobs/default.html
> >
> > Actually finding any in this size might be very difficult.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Due to constant "fine tuning" of my rather large Serge system (also
> known as the "John Duval Syndrome" who formerly owned the "fist of
> god" for all who do not know) I am considering to part with a

> Serge panel that was made by Peter Grenader (Plan B) for Dennis
> Verschoor some time ago.
>
> Pics and a short description of the module are still available at:
> http://www.buzzclick-music.com/misc.html (its panel 2)
> http://www.buzzclick-music.com/panel2all.jpg
>
> I bought this panel from Dennis a few months ago and it would be

> to get the money I paid him which was 1800 Euros.
>
> I am located in Germany.
>
> Have fun with your Serge
>
> Frank
>
> Btw: I might also sell a TKB (pre STS) for 1200 Euros.
>