Analogue-sequencer

Thanks for all the discussion of the interface.  Very much 
appreciated.  

My next question has to do with using the P3 along with a 
computer sequencer.  My plan would be to send midi from the p3 
to Logic, then make a switch in the environment that would 
switch the midi data from being sent direct through to my synths, 
or switched to one of the tracks in Logic in case I wanted to 
record the data.  

Are people finding it nice and successful to use the P3 with their 
computer sequencers, ie do most tend to have some special 
sequences coming from the P3 and others from the computer, 
or do some use the P3 simply a midi data generator to the 
"sample" into their computers and edit into compositions, or do 
most find they just work with the P3?  I'm sure the answer to all 
of this is just - yes, to all of the above, but I'd like to hear more on 
this topic and people's workflow.

 I use my Kenton Pro-2000 quite a bit, and feel that I'd need it to 
receive data from the P3 (of course!) but also from my computer 
for sequences that require more detailed timing.  Ideally I'd also 
like to have sequences from Logic be very easy to transfer to 
tracks on the P3 for various reasons. 


thanks again, Greg.

"circuitsea" <circuitsea@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Are people finding it nice and successful to use the P3 with their 
> computer sequencers, ie do most tend to have some special 
> sequences coming from the P3 and others from the computer, 
> or do some use the P3 simply a midi data generator to the 
> "sample" into their computers and edit into compositions, or do 
> most find they just work with the P3? 

I use the P3 like a keyboard, playing it into Protools 7, where midi
is recorded, then bussed to the modular.  This way, I can integrate
midi from several sequencers and add editted and screen entered data
(such as really long cutoff filter mod data) - transposing and
manipulating the whole session.


> 
>  I use my Kenton Pro-2000 quite a bit, and feel that I'd need it to 
> receive data from the P3 (of course!) but also from my computer 
> for sequences that require more detailed timing.  Ideally I'd also 
> like to have sequences from Logic be very easy to transfer to 
> tracks on the P3 for various reasons. 

I have mostly Kenton convertors (Pro ones, Pro 2, Pro 2000) and a
Frostwave (which is either 4 channel or a single channel with 8 cv
outs).  

gary

circuitsea ha scritto:
> Thanks for all the discussion of the interface.  Very much
> appreciated. 
>
> My next question has to do with using the P3 along with a
> computer sequencer.  My plan would be to send midi from the p3
> to Logic, then make a switch in the environment that would
> switch the midi data from being sent direct through to my synths,
> or switched to one of the tracks in Logic in case I wanted to
> record the data. 
>
> Are people finding it nice and successful to use the P3 with their
> computer sequencers, ie do most tend to have some special
> sequences coming from the P3 and others from the computer,
> or do some use the P3 simply a midi data generator to the
> "sample" into their computers and edit into compositions, or do
> most find they just work with the P3?  I'm sure the answer to all
> of this is just - yes, to all of the above, but I'd like to hear more on
> this topic and people's workflow.
>
> I use my Kenton Pro-2000 quite a bit, and feel that I'd need it to
> receive data from the P3 (of course!) but also from my computer
> for sequences that require more detailed timing.  Ideally I'd also
> like to have sequences from Logic be very easy to transfer to
> tracks on the P3 for various reasons.
>
>
> thanks again, Greg.
Hi Greg,
i've used successfully the p3 with software sequencers, mainly logic,
but now i've switched to ableton live.
So talking about logic, you will have to create an enviroment
and choose if you want to route midi to external synths or audiounit synths.
Are you on logic pro or express? With this you'll have to create a splitter
so each channel from p3 goes to the right one on logic.
Then, the p3 synced as slave works fine with any software sequencer!
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>... but now i've switched to ableton live.

Hi David,

Id much rather be using ableton too, but when i tried it some time back,
with the p3 running as a master, every time i hit run, ableton would reset
to bar 1 beat 1, which was 100% useless for me.

I wish i could find a nice simple aplication to record audio whilst working
as a slave...

Julian

> Id much rather be using ableton too, but when i tried it some 
> time back,
> with the p3 running as a master, every time i hit run, 
> ableton would reset
> to bar 1 beat 1, which was 100% useless for me.

P3 normally sends a MIDI START when you hit RUN.
If you use FUNC+RUN from stopped on P3, it will send a MIDI CONTINUE, which
shouldn't reset slaved devices.
The slave will need to be at the start of a bar to continue from.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> Are people finding it nice and successful to use the P3 with their
computer sequencers...

I use my P3 with Ableton Live and sometimes Reason.

With Reason its less useful because Reason has to act as a midiclock 
slave. Even with the FUNC+RUN mode on the P3 its no good since Reason 
cannot be forced to start at a predetermined point in a song.

With Live I always run the P3 as a slave. Live handles clock sync 
intelligently and will only start sending START on any new bar. Live 
also has to pass the controller keyboard data into the P3 since the P3 
only has the one midi input. But this is easy to do in any sequencer 
especially Live.

I often will use the P3 as a source of pattern generation for loops that 
I can then further edit in Live. However, I also use the P3 as a midi 
generator in its own right with Live only providing beats and occasional 
chord progressions. If I then like what I am doing I will record the 
midi data into Live for pasting into a track.

Tony

www.oakleysound.com

Oakley Sound ha scritto:
> > Are people finding it nice and successful to use the P3 with their
> computer sequencers...
>
> I use my P3 with Ableton Live and sometimes Reason.
>
> With Reason its less useful because Reason has to act as a midiclock
> slave. Even with the FUNC+RUN mode on the P3 its no good since Reason
> cannot be forced to start at a predetermined point in a song.
>
> With Live I always run the P3 as a slave. Live handles clock sync
> intelligently and will only start sending START on any new bar. Live
> also has to pass the controller keyboard data into the P3 since the P3
> only has the one midi input. But this is easy to do in any sequencer
> especially Live.
>
> I often will use the P3 as a source of pattern generation for loops that
> I can then further edit in Live. However, I also use the P3 as a midi
> generator in its own right with Live only providing beats and occasional
> chord progressions. If I then like what I am doing I will record the
> midi data into Live for pasting into a track.
>
> Tony
>
> www.oakleysound.com

i use too live as master,
record p3 sequences in the session view as midi clips
to rearrange them. Live is really a nice software,
and using it with the p3 is a great combo!


		
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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "circuitsea"
<circuitsea@...> wrote:
> Are people finding it nice and successful to use the P3 with their 
> computer sequencers

I'm tending to compose on the P3 and once something is shaped up, I'll
then sync to Digital Performer, but only to record audio from the
devices driven by the P3 as I'm making realtime changes (res and freq
changes on the Nova for example). At that point, I let DP drive clock
and let the P3 be a slave.

Once that's done, I'll overdub other synths (typically non-MIDI),
layer drums from my Electribes or Reason, add effects, and mix.

So I guess I compose on the P3, but fine tune arrangements in DP.

-Jim
www.touchxtone.com
www.myspace.com/jimcombs

> P3 normally sends a MIDI START when you hit RUN.
> If you use FUNC+RUN from stopped on P3, it will send a MIDI CONTINUE,
which
> shouldn't reset slaved devices.
> The slave will need to be at the start of a bar to continue from.


Now im trying this with ableton live...

From the computer keyboard -
[space] runs, [space] stops, [space] runs again from the start *or* [shift]
+ [space] runs again from the stopped position.

Now syncing live to external midi control -
[run] runs, [stop] stops, either [run] or [func] + [run] both reset ableton
to bar one, beat one

I cant seem to work out any way that i can start ableton from the p3 without
having to start at bar one : (


Id really like to just be able to keep the p3 as the master all the time,
and sync evreything from that.


Julian

ps.

ive just tried with my mam sq16 (exactly the same setup on live) and...

from the mam:

[start/stop] starts from bar 0
[start/stop] after this, stops
[start/stop] will then start again from bar 1
or [continue] will start from the stopped point (as id like with the p3)

it gets slightly odd then though, as a [start/stop] after a [continue] will
stop the mam, but not live, however, i have no idea whats actually passed,
as a [start/stop] thereafter (ie whilst live is still running, and the mam
stopped) will jump live back to exactly (havent tested the resolution, but
its definatly beats, not bars) where the stop was issued, and then both will
continue from that point.

Why live dosnt just stop, i dont understand, but at least im not getting
back to bar 1 every time, like i am with the p3.

So then, what am i doing wrong with the p3 then - why am i always back at
bar 1???

Julian

> ive just tried with my mam sq16 (exactly the same setup on 
> live) and...
> 
> from the mam:
> 
> [start/stop] starts from bar 0
> [start/stop] after this, stops
> [start/stop] will then start again from bar 1
> or [continue] will start from the stopped point (as id like 
> with the p3)

Assuming you're running a recent P3 build (FUNC+RUN for continue wasn't
always there), it should do this.
That is unless the MAM is doing something very odd, like not sending a MIDI
STOP/CONTINUE, but just suspending sending the MIDI CLOCK bytes.
If you've got a PC, you could run the MAM into MIDI-Ox and see what it's
doing sync-wise, and compare with P3.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com