Datacolor User to User Support Group.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lenos" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> When I profile Kirkland Prem Glossy paper and my CIS ink set (Image
Specialists R1800 inks) - the skins tones come out way too 'red' -
everyone looks like they have a high degree of sunburn - I have played
with the adv setting sliders but any adjustments I make - for example
the red/cyan slider have very little effect until it has so much
affect that the rest of the image is unacceptably dull red... has
anyone experienced this and worked thru it - any tweaking advice would
be appreciated. 
> 
> I am puzzled why the profile would produce anything this far off the
mark, I could see a slight over sat on a color but a total over
saturation to this point is confusing ... I am also to the point of
trying X-Rite's product unless I can get it resolved.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts...
> 
> doug
>

Doug,
I think I am having the same problem with my R1800 and a new CIS. Have
you managed to fully resolve the issue? 
I have noticed that reds seem too saturated and yellows tend toward
orange. My grayscales seem fine. I have used PrintFix Pro extensively
with my 4000 with no issues and the R1800 seemed fine before adding
the CIS.

Thanks
Peter

What settings did you use to profile the printer?  I'm finding that 
ICM OFF yields a grayscale with some bad color crossovers.  Color 
controls gamma 2.2 and Epson Standard seems to be more even if a bit 
bluish.  I'm also finding that I get density reversals with ICM off. 

So even though this isn't standard practice I'm going to try to make 
profiles using Image Specialist ink in a R1800 on Premium Semigloss 
using Premium Luster paper type (better dmax), Color controls-2.2-
epson standard, and best photo (better dmax and no density reversals).

I'll let you know how it works out.
Roger

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "pillgrem" <wpp@...> wrote:
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lenos" <doug@> 
wrote:
> >
> > When I profile Kirkland Prem Glossy paper and my CIS ink set 
(Image
> Specialists R1800 inks) - the skins tones come out way too 'red' -
> everyone looks like they have a high degree of sunburn - I have 
played
> with the adv setting sliders but any adjustments I make - for 
example
> the red/cyan slider have very little effect until it has so much
> affect that the rest of the image is unacceptably dull red... has
> anyone experienced this and worked thru it - any tweaking advice 
would
> be appreciated. 
> > 
> > I am puzzled why the profile would produce anything this far off 
the
> mark, I could see a slight over sat on a color but a total over
> saturation to this point is confusing ... I am also to the point of
> trying X-Rite's product unless I can get it resolved.
> > 
> > Thanks for any thoughts...
> > 
> > doug
> >
> 
> Doug,
> I think I am having the same problem with my R1800 and a new CIS. 
Have
> you managed to fully resolve the issue? 
> I have noticed that reds seem too saturated and yellows tend toward
> orange. My grayscales seem fine. I have used PrintFix Pro 
extensively

> with my 4000 with no issues and the R1800 seemed fine before adding
> the CIS.
> 
> Thanks
> Peter
>

Update- printing the helpful primary colors test from PFP it looks 
like there is a big saturation drop using color controls.  I haven't 
yet profiled it in that state.

I did find that using the MIS R1800 inks on Premium Semi-gloss that I 
could get a profilable set of patches if I used paper type Premium 
Luster, Best and ICM off.

Right now I'm testing Harmom FB Al and Premium Paper Glossy @ Best 
PHoto ICM off seems to work so far.

I did Innova SW 315 (matte) using Ultra Premium presentation Matte 
and Best Photo settings.


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 3/20/08 10:15:55 AM, rsmith02@... writes:
> 
> 
> > What settings did you use to profile the printer?  I'm finding 
that
> > ICM OFF yields a grayscale with some bad color crossovers.  Color
> > controls gamma 2.2 and Epson Standard seems to be more even if a 
bit
> > bluish.  I'm also finding that I get density reversals with ICM 
off.
> > 
> > So even though this isn't standard practice I'm going to try to 
make
> > profiles using Image Specialist ink in a R1800 on Premium 
Semigloss
> > using Premium Luster paper type (better dmax), Color controls-2.2-
> > epson standard, and best photo (better dmax and no density 
reversals).
> > 
> 
> Sometimes this can improve problematic print reversals or other 
such issues, 
> but at the cost of some color gamut reduction. Worth it, if the 
printer is 
> unprofilable at the raw setting...
> 
> The ideal solution is to choose well mannered printers, and use 
inks and 
> media that work well with them... but there's always someone 
looking to make a 
> problem combination work.
> 
> 
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor
> CDTobie@...
> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
> 
> 
> **************
> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 
> Watch the video on AOL Home.
>       
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?
ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
>

Please watch the videos at:

http://spyder.datacolor.com/learn_videos.php

To see how you should be printing the targets, turning off color
management in the printer drivers, etc.

You -don't- want to print the targets through color
controls in the Epson driver... And with no color
management, you should get a nice, saturated, dark
target print and should be able to build a good
profile from the measurements.


David Miller
Senior Software Engineer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

On Mar 23, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Roger <rsmith02@...> wrote:

> Update- printing the helpful primary colors test from PFP it looks
> like there is a big saturation drop using color controls. I haven't
> yet profiled it in that state.
>
> I did find that using the MIS R1800 inks on Premium Semi-gloss that I
> could get a profilable set of patches if I used paper type Premium
> Luster, Best and ICM off.
>
> Right now I'm testing Harmom FB Al and Premium Paper Glossy @ Best
> PHoto ICM off seems to work so far.
>
> I did Innova SW 315 (matte) using Ultra Premium presentation Matte
> and Best Photo settings.
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/20/08 10:15:55 AM, rsmith02@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > What settings did you use to profile the printer?  I'm finding
> that
> > > ICM OFF yields a grayscale with some bad color crossovers.  Color
> > > controls gamma 2.2 and Epson Standard seems to be more even if a
> bit
> > > bluish.  I'm also finding that I get density reversals with ICM
> off.
> > >
> > > So even though this isn't standard practice I'm going to try to
> make
> > > profiles using Image Specialist ink in a R1800 on Premium
> Semigloss
> > > using Premium Luster paper type (better dmax), Color controls-2.2-
> > > epson standard, and best photo (better dmax and no density
> reversals).
> > >
> >
> > Sometimes this can improve problematic print reversals or other
> such issues,
> > but at the cost of some color gamut reduction. Worth it, if the
> printer is
> > unprofilable at the raw setting...
> >
> > The ideal solution is to choose well mannered printers, and use
> inks and
> > media that work well with them... but there's always someone
> looking to make a
> > problem combination work.
> >
> >
> > C. David Tobie
> > WW Product Technology Manager
> > Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> > Datacolor
> > CDTobie@...
> > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros.
> > Watch the video on AOL Home.
> >
> > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?
> ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
> >
>
>
>