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Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by Wim van Leeuwen

After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not work anymore.
I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray restores normal
behaviour.
I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with "msconfig",
but there remain some questions.

1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?

2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
ambientlight monitoring).

(system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this morning).
thanks in advance for your answer(s).
Wim

Re: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@... writes:


After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not work anymore.
___
True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users. Screensavers don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen life) with LCDs, so there is some question why one would use them, but we are looking into this.


I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
___
Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility functions as the newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the calibration LUTs in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part, which are being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from triggering.

Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray restores normal
behaviour.

___
Right, as the activity is then ceased. But so are any checks that your color mangement is functioning properly...

I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with "msconfig",
but there remain some questions.

1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?
___
No, we've had similar reports from other Windows users...

2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
ambientlight monitoring).
___
Most importantly it attempts to keep your video corrections (an important part of your color calibration) in place... but it also covers certification and calibration reminder issues, and other housekeeping.

(system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this morning).
thanks in advance for your answer(s).
___
Not sure if this qualifies as an answer, but at least it sheds some light on the situation...

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3

RE: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by PJS

The problem appears to be in the LUT function of the new software. When I
disable the LUT feature, all is OK. If the LUT is set to "never" the system
runs fine. This is on an XP Pro SP3 system.

pjs
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz

no hablo mac J
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In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@... writes:



  After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not work anymore.

___
True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users. Screensavers
don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen life) with
LCDs, so there is some question why one would use them, but we are looking
into this.

Re: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 12/12/08 11:21:23 AM, psandham@... writes:


The problem appears to be in the LUT function of the new software.
___
Without question...

When I disable the LUT feature, all is OK.
___
Not OK really; you don't have any check that the LUT data is correct, and hasn't been replaced by evil gremlins in the Operating System, or some other application or utility.

If the LUT is set to "never" the system runs fine. This is on an XP Pro SP3 system.

Runs fine, but lacks the safety feature. I have to ask what the concern over screensavers is, in the age when they don't save anything?

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3

Re: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by Wim van Leeuwen

Hello David,

The "screensaver" is used here as an automatic protection against unwanted use of the machine by people who have nothing to do with the contents.
When the screensaver starts I can only go on using it after typing a password, but ........ as the screensaver does not start anymore, the computer stays unprotected.
That is what causing me to write about this problem.

Have a nice weekend,
Wim

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In a message dated 12/12/08 11:21:23 AM, psandham@cox.net writes:


The problem appears to be in the LUT function of the new software.
___
Without question...

When I disable the LUT feature, all is OK.
___
Not OK really; you don't have any check that the LUT data is correct, and hasn't been replaced by evil gremlins in the Operating System, or some other application or utility.

If the LUT is set to "never" the system runs fine. This is on an XP Pro SP3 system.

Runs fine, but lacks the safety feature. I have to ask what the concern over screensavers is, in the age when they don't save anything?

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@datacolor.com
www.datacolor.com/spyder3

Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by madigan_bill

Your comment about screensavers struck me as very strange. For one thing, many of us use CRT monitors (most LCDs cannot produce the Adobe RGB gamut, much less the Pro Photo gamut). As already noted, screen saver's logon feature can keep an unattended computer secure. Besides that, many use a screensaver just for the hell of it.

I spent an hour late last night trying to figure out why my screensaver was not working. That the Spyder3 utility blocks operating system software is a bit surprising, if not disturbing. Datacolor could have added release notes warning that screensavers would be blocked (release notes are usually included for new drivers and applications.) If Datacolor was unaware of the issue, one has to wonder at how well the software is being tested.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@... writes:
>
>
> > After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not work anymore.
> > ___
> True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users. Screensavers
> don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen life) with LCDs, so
> there is some question why one would use them, but we are looking into this.
>
>
> > I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
> > ___
> Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility functions as the
> newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the calibration LUTs
> in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part, which are
> being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from triggering.
>
> > Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray restores normal
> > behaviour.
> > ___
> Right, as the activity is then ceased. But so are any checks that your color
> mangement is functioning properly...
>
> > I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with "msconfig",
> > but there remain some questions.
> >
> > 1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?
> > ___
> No, we've had similar reports from other Windows users...
> >
> > 2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
> > ambientlight monitoring).
> > ___
> Most importantly it attempts to keep your video corrections (an important
> part of your color calibration) in place... but it also covers certification and
> calibration reminder issues, and other housekeeping.
>
> > (system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this morning).
> > thanks in advance for your answer(s).
> > ___
> Not sure if this qualifies as an answer, but at least it sheds some light on
> the situation...
>
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>

Re: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by Jan Barkan

I found that that my monitor would never shut down unless I disabled spyder utility upon startup. Is this the same issue as the screen saver?
Jan Barkan
Jan Barkan
Barkan Studio
www.docuscapes.net
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In a message dated 12/12/08 11:21:23 AM, psandham@cox.net writes:


The problem appears to be in the LUT function of the new software.
___
Without question...

When I disable the LUT feature, all is OK.
___
Not OK really; you don't have any check that the LUT data is correct, and hasn't been replaced by evil gremlins in the Operating System, or some other application or utility.

If the LUT is set to "never" the system runs fine. This is on an XP Pro SP3 system.

Runs fine, but lacks the safety feature. I have to ask what the concern over screensavers is, in the age when they don't save anything?

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@datacolor.com
www.datacolor.com/spyder3


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Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by Jan Barkan

Interesting. I found that my monitor never turns off unless I disabled spyder pro utility.
Jan Barkan
Barkan Studio
www.docuscapes.net
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Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

Your comment about screensavers struck me as very strange. For one thing, many of us use CRT monitors (most LCDs cannot produce the Adobe RGB gamut, much less the Pro Photo gamut). As already noted, screen saver's logon feature can keep an unattended computer secure. Besides that, many use a screensaver just for the hell of it.

I spent an hour late last night trying to figure out why my screensaver was not working. That the Spyder3 utility blocks operating system software is a bit surprising, if not disturbing. Datacolor could have added release notes warning that screensavers would be blocked (release notes are usually included for new drivers and applications.) If Datacolor was unaware of the issue, one has to wonder at how well the software is being tested.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@... writes:
>
>
> > After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not work anymore.
> > ___
> True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users. Screensavers
> don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen life) with LCDs, so
> there is some question why one would use them, but we are looking into this.
>
>
> > I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
> > ___
> Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility functions as the
> newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the calibration LUTs
> in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part, which are
> being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from triggering.
>
> > Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray restores normal
> > behaviour.
> > ___
> Right, as the activity is then ceased. But so are any checks that your color
> mangement is functioning properly...
>
> > I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with "msconfig",
> > but there remain some questions.
> >
> > 1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?
> > ___
> No, we've had similar reports from other Windows users...
> >
> > 2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
> > ambientlight monitoring).
> > ___
> Most importantly it attempts to keep your video corrections (an important
> part of your color calibration) in place... but it also covers certification and
> calibration reminder issues, and other housekeeping.
>
> > (system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this morning).
> > thanks in advance for your answer(s).
> > ___
> Not sure if this qualifies as an answer, but at least it sheds some light on
> the situation...
>
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>


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RE: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by PJS

In my case it's not a screensaver that is the problem (I just want it to go
dark so my dog can get to sleep :-)), it is the system going to standby. The
utility has NEVER been able to run correctly without setting up my system to
NEVER go to standby. At the present time, the system is set to "turn off
monitor" then "turn off hard disks" but NEVER go to standby. This is through
the Display Property; Power Schemes" option on Windows. And that worked OK
until the revision. Now, as I said in my earlier email, the system will not
go dark until I deactivate any LUT settings/checking, which I consider bad
software (as one who goes back to punch cards & Fortran).

As it is, when I work on my photographs I re-activate everything, take an
ambient light reading, and go on with my job. But why do I have to waste
that time? And, no, it's not a big deal, but the rest of my software does
NOT have this problem, so why does yours? I've been your customer for longer
than I care to remember, but some of the newbies who are evaluating your
system, and may not be as "computer literate" as others, may dismiss
Datacolor as defective. If I were in management, I'd be concerned.
Fortunately, I'm retired and loving it.


 pjs
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz
no hablo mac J
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Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver




Runs fine, but lacks the safety feature. I have to ask what the concern over
screensavers is, in the age when they don't save anything?

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3

Re: [colorvision_group] Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-12 by Cdtobie

I see... so it's not a screensaver; it's an automatic security  
function. That makes more sense.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Wim van Leeuwen  
<wimvanleeuwen@...> wrote:
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> Hello David,
>
> The "screensaver" is used here as an automatic protection against  
> unwanted use of the machine by people who have nothing to do with  
> the contents.
> When the screensaver starts I can only go on using it after typing a  
> password, but ........ as the screensaver does not start anymore,   
> the computer stays unprotected.
> That is what causing me to write about this problem.
>
> Have a nice weekend,
> Wim
>
> CDTobie@... wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/12/08 11:21:23 AM, psandham@... writes:
>>
>>
>> The problem appears to be in the LUT function of the new software.
>> ___
>> Without question...
>>
>> When I disable the LUT feature, all is OK.
>> ___
>> Not OK really; you don't have any check that the LUT data is  
>> correct, and hasn't been replaced by evil gremlins in the Operating  
>> System, or some other application or utility.
>>
>> If the LUT is set to "never" the system runs fine. This is on an XP  
>> Pro SP3 system.
>>
>> Runs fine, but lacks the safety feature. I have to ask what the  
>> concern over screensavers is, in the age when they don't save  
>> anything?
>>
>> C. David Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor Inc.
>> CDTobie@...
>> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>>
>

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by Cdtobie

That's interesting to hear: I'm seeing virtually all users on LCD  
these days, especially those interested in wide gamut color.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:33 PM, "madigan_bill" <madigan_bill@...>  
wrote:
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> Your comment about screensavers struck me as very strange. For one  
> thing, many of us use CRT monitors  (most LCDs cannot produce the  
> Adobe RGB gamut, much less the Pro Photo gamut).  As already noted,  
> screen saver's logon feature can keep an unattended computer secure.  
> Besides that, many use a screensaver just for the hell of it.
>
> I spent an hour late last night trying to figure out why my  
> screensaver was not working. That the Spyder3 utility blocks  
> operating system software is a bit surprising, if not disturbing.  
> Datacolor could have added release notes warning that screensavers  
> would be blocked (release notes are usually included for new drivers  
> and applications.) If Datacolor was unaware of the issue, one has to  
> wonder at how well the software is being tested.
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not  
> work anymore.
> > > ___
> > True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users.  
> Screensavers
> > don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen  
> life) with LCDs, so
> > there is some question why one would use them, but we are looking  
> into this.
> >
> >
> > > I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
> > > ___
> > Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility  
> functions as the
> > newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the  
> calibration LUTs
> > in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part,  
> which are
> > being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from  
> triggering.
> >
> > > Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray restores  
> normal
> > > behaviour.
> > > ___
> > Right, as the activity is then ceased. But so are any checks that  
> your color
> > mangement is functioning properly...
> >
> > > I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with  
> "msconfig",
> > > but there remain some questions.
> > >
> > > 1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?
> > > ___
> > No, we've had similar reports from other Windows users...
> > >
> > > 2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
> > > ambientlight monitoring).
> > > ___
> > Most importantly it attempts to keep your video corrections (an  
> important
> > part of your color calibration) in place... but it also covers  
> certification and
> > calibration reminder issues, and other housekeeping.
> >
> > > (system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this morning).
> > > thanks in advance for your answer(s).
> > > ___
> > Not sure if this qualifies as an answer, but at least it sheds  
> some light on
> > the situation...
> >
> > C. David Tobie
> > WW Product Technology Manager
> > Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> > Datacolor Inc.
> > CDTobie@...
> > www.datacolor.com/spyder3
> >
>
>

Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by jrschwaller

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility functions 
as the 
> newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the 
calibration LUTs 
> in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part, 
which are 
> being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from triggering.
> 

Hi, CD...

Does this utility do anything to help the problem with WinXP dual 
monitor support?  That is when the video card supports dual heads but 
does not look to windows as having separate cards (LUTs).

John

Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by jrschwaller

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility functions 
as the 
> newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the 
calibration LUTs 
> in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part, 
which are 
> being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from triggering.
> 

Hi, CD...

Does this utility do anything to help the problem with WinXP dual 
monitor support?  That is when the video card supports dual heads but 
does not look to windows as having separate cards (LUTs).

John

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by LAURIE SOLOMON

I am not CD ( I will let him speak for himself and his company); but I would
like to make a few remarks on this your question.  First, I think that the
dual monitor  support in Windows is not the problem here but that the video
card is the problem. Thus, the utility probably will not do anything to
change things if you have a single dual head video card that uses only one
set of LUTs. 

 

Second, a video card with dual heads but one set of LUTs that controls both
monitors in a dual monitor set up will not be able to independently color
manage both monitors; to do so, you probably would need a video card that
not only has dual heads but also has dual LUTs or two separate video cards.

 

If my comments are wrong or out of line, I am certain my good friend CD will
correct me.
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Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:12 AM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

 

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:colorvision_group%40yahoogroups.com> , CDTobie@... wrote:
> Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility functions 
as the 
> newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the 
calibration LUTs 
> in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our part, 
which are 
> being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from triggering.
> 

Hi, CD...

Does this utility do anything to help the problem with WinXP dual 
monitor support? That is when the video card supports dual heads but 
does not look to windows as having separate cards (LUTs).

John

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by PJS

This discussion continues to be a "it's the hardware, not the software". Of
course when we approach the hardware makers, they say "it's the software,
not the hardware". Been going on since the advent of the computer. The shame
of it is us consumers are stuck in the middle with systems that only meet
our expectations about 80% of the time, and that may be a high estimate.
Fortunately most of us can figure out work-arounds for the deficits in
equipment and software and developers.

pjs
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz

no hablo mac J
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Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver


I am not CD ( I will let him speak for himself and his company); but I would
like to make a few remarks on this your question.  First, I think that the
dual monitor  support in Windows is not the problem here but that the video
card is the problem. Thus, the utility probably will not do anything to
change things if you have a single dual head video card that uses only one
set of LUTs.



Second, a video card with dual heads but one set of LUTs that controls both
monitors in a dual monitor set up will not be able to independently color
manage both monitors; to do so, you probably would need a video card that
not only has dual heads but also has dual LUTs or two separate video cards.



If my comments are wrong or out of line, I am certain my good friend CD will
correct me.

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by PJS

Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:

"On Windows, it is necessary to use a separate video card for each monitor.
Multi-head video cards (one card that drives multiple monitors) will not
work because Windows will not allow you to assign a different profile to
each monitor."

So, again not speaking for CD, the answer is most likely NO. There is also a
recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue titled "dual
monitors on Windows OS". It again brings up the "hardware-software" issue
and who is or is not responsible for the thing not working.

I also could not find any information related to the new features in the
Utility program. It would be nice to know what each of the options in
"preferences" is doing and what their purpose is. That way a user could make
his or her own decision on the settings to be used.

pjs
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz

no hablo mac :-)
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Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver
>>>
Does this utility do anything to help the problem with WinXP dual
monitor support?  That is when the video card supports dual heads but
does not look to windows as having separate cards (LUTs).

John
<<<

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 12/13/08 10:12:15 AM, jrs2@... writes:

Hi, CD...

Does this utility do anything to help the problem with WinXP dual
monitor support? That is when the video card supports dual heads but
does not look to windows as having separate cards (LUTs).


We can't do much about that, its between the OS and the Video card/driver. But I will repeat, there are two possible issues here, which people keep thinking of as one: whether the card will report as two devices, for two profiles, and whether the card can hold two separate sets of LUTs for these two different displays. The issue the utility is dealing with is having the VLUT data (be it one display or two, one card or two) flashed by the OS at various inappropiate times.

I would also point out that we have had only about three reports of the Utility effecting screensavers and energysavers; we can't reproduce it, and its not common. So I would like anyone here who can reproduce the problem to email me PRIVATELY, off list, so we can attempt to figure out what particular configurations this happens under. First, download 3.0.7, see if that solves the issue, and if it doesn't, contact me.


C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by LAURIE SOLOMON

>Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:

 

The "readme" file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows, does not
prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the
video card does not support two LUTs.

 

>There is also a recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue
titled "dual monitors on Windows OS"

 

Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft's,
Datacolor's, or some other site's knowledgbase.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PJS
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:41 AM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

 

Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:

"On Windows, it is necessary to use a separate video card for each monitor.
Multi-head video cards (one card that drives multiple monitors) will not
work because Windows will not allow you to assign a different profile to
each monitor."

So, again not speaking for CD, the answer is most likely NO. There is also a
recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue titled "dual
monitors on Windows OS". It again brings up the "hardware-software" issue
and who is or is not responsible for the thing not working.

I also could not find any information related to the new features in the
Utility program. It would be nice to know what each of the options in
"preferences" is doing and what their purpose is. That way a user could make
his or her own decision on the settings to be used.

pjs
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz

no hablo mac :-)
------------------original message (or parts thereof)-----------------
From: jrschwaller
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver
>>>
Does this utility do anything to help the problem with WinXP dual
monitor support? That is when the video card supports dual heads but
does not look to windows as having separate cards (LUTs).

John
<<<

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by PJS

>>>>re: The "readme" file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows,
does not prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors
unless the video card does not support two LUTs.


The readme file you receive when you download Spyder3Elite (it is an .rtf
file dated November 2008)

>>>>re: Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft'
s, Datacolor's, or some other site's knowledgbase.


The knowledgebase on the Datacolor site - the discussions are dated October
2008



I also have a question for you - Laurie:

What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled
img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on
this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???

pjs
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz

no hablo mac J
------------------original message (or parts thereof)-----------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:56 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver


>Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:



The "readme" file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows, does not
prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the
video card does not support two LUTs.



>There is also a recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue
titled "dual monitors on Windows OS"



Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft's,
Datacolor's, or some other site's knowledgbase.

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-13 by LAURIE SOLOMON

What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled
img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on
this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???

 

 

I really do not know since I have not attached any files - jpg or otherwise
to my posts.  Moreover, so far they do not seem to appear in or with my
posts when I receive them from Yahoo on my email reader  as individual
emails.  I will see what happens when I get this post back from the list.  I
do not know what to tell you regarding the possibility of an infection.  I
would play it safe and not open them.  By the way, thanks for clarify your
references to  a knowledgebase and readme files.  Being involved with
several forums and mailing lists on various web sites, references to such
things without specifying the sources can get confusing - especially when
the references are being used in discussions where several programs or
hardware from multiple sources are being spoken of in the same discussion.

 

I would offer to check with my contacts at Microsoft to verify what I
understand; but it is the season when everyone is on vacation and will not
be back until after the first of the year.  My original understanding was
similar to yours; but it has been pointed out to me by several people whose
knowledge and expertise I respect and trust that  this understanding is
incorrect.  The Windows operating system will allow for separate profiles
for each of the monitors in a multiple monitor system if the video card
supports multiple simultaneous LUTs; it will not support this if the card
does not support separate independent LUTs and monitors, which may be the
situation being described in the readme as well as in the knowledgebase.  I
would think that if the OS was the key limitation and source of the problem,
you would not under Windows be able to use different profiles for monitors
in a multi-display system where individual separate cards were installed for
each monitor; but since you can use separate profiles for  each of the
monitors in such a system where they are attached to their own video cards,
I  suspect the problematic restriction is with the video card capabilities.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PJS
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:02 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

 

>>>>re: The "readme" file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows,
does not prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors
unless the video card does not support two LUTs.

 

 

The readme file you receive when you download Spyder3Elite (it is an .rtf
file dated November 2008)

 

>>>>re: Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site
(Microsoft's, Datacolor's, or some other site's knowledgbase. 

 

The knowledgebase on the Datacolor site - the discussions are dated October
2008

 

 

 

I also have a question for you - Laurie:

 

What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled
img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on
this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???

 

pjs 
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz 

no hablo mac J 
------------------original message (or parts thereof)----------------- 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:56 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

>Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:

 

The "readme" file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows, does not
prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the
video card does not support two LUTs.

 

>There is also a recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue
titled "dual monitors on Windows OS"

 

Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft's,
Datacolor's, or some other site's knowledgbase.

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by LAURIE SOLOMON

Ok PJS, I just got the post back from Yahoo and it had the two image files as attachments.  I do not know where they came from; they are not infections however.  I opened them to see what was in them; one contains a long narrow  horizontal rectangle that is light and surrounded by a black field and has nothing in it while the other is a small square of a similar nature.  I am only getting this with regards to this mailing list.  I am wondering if the fact that I am sending the messages as HTML rather than plain text may be the cause.  Is this list a plain text only list?  Let's see what happens to this post since I changed it from HTML to plain text.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:58 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???
 
 
I really do not know since I have not attached any files – jpg or otherwise to my posts.  Moreover, so far they do not seem to appear in or with my posts when I receive them from Yahoo on my email reader  as individual emails.  I will see what happens when I get this post back from the list.  I do not know what to tell you regarding the possibility of an infection.  I would play it safe and not open them.  By the way, thanks for clarify your references to  a knowledgebase and readme files.  Being involved with several forums and mailing lists on various web sites, references to such things without specifying the sources can get confusing – especially when the references are being used in discussions where several programs or hardware from multiple sources are being spoken of in the same discussion.
 
I would offer to check with my contacts at Microsoft to verify what I understand; but it is the season when everyone is on vacation and will not be back until after the first of the year.  My original understanding was similar to yours; but it has been pointed out to me by several people whose knowledge and expertise I respect and trust that  this understanding is incorrect.  The Windows operating system will allow for separate profiles for each of the monitors in a multiple monitor system if the video card supports multiple simultaneous LUTs; it will not support this if the card does not support separate independent LUTs and monitors, which may be the situation being described in the readme as well as in the knowledgebase.  I would think that if the OS was the key limitation and source of the problem, you would not under Windows be able to use different profiles for monitors in a multi-display system where individual separate cards were installed for each monitor; but since you can use separate profiles for  each of the monitors in such a system where they are attached to their own video cards, I  suspect the problematic restriction is with the video card capabilities.
 
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PJS
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:02 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver
 
>>>>re: The “readme” file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows, does not prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the video card does not support two LUTs.
 
 
The readme file you receive when you download Spyder3Elite (it is an .rtf file dated November 2008)
 
>>>>re: Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft’s, Datacolor’s, or some other site’s knowledgbase. 
 
The knowledgebase on the Datacolor site - the discussions are dated October 2008
 
 
 
I also have a question for you - Laurie:
 
What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???
 
pjs 
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz 
no hablo mac ☺ 
------------------original message (or parts thereof)----------------- 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:56 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver
>Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:
 
The “readme” file for what says this?  As far as I know Windows, does not prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the video card does not support two LUTs.
 
>There is also a recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue titled "dual monitors on Windows OS"
 
Again discussion on what  Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft’s, Datacolor’s, or some other site’s knowledgbase.

RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by LAURIE SOLOMON

It seems as though that was the cause of the attachments since this one came through without any attachments – textual or image.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:14 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

Ok PJS, I just got the post back from Yahoo and it had the two image files as attachments. I do not know where they came from; they are not infections however. I opened them to see what was in them; one contains a long narrow horizontal rectangle that is light and surrounded by a black field and has nothing in it while the other is a small square of a similar nature. I am only getting this with regards to this mailing list. I am wondering if the fact that I am sending the messages as HTML rather than plain text may be the cause. Is this list a plain text only list? Let's see what happens to this post since I changed it from HTML to plain text.

From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:58 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???


I really do not know since I have not attached any files – jpg or otherwise to my posts. Moreover, so far they do not seem to appear in or with my posts when I receive them from Yahoo on my email reader as individual emails. I will see what happens when I get this post back from the list. I do not know what to tell you regarding the possibility of an infection. I would play it safe and not open them. By the way, thanks for clarify your references to a knowledgebase and readme files. Being involved with several forums and mailing lists on various web sites, references to such things without specifying the sources can get confusing – especially when the references are being used in discussions where several programs or hardware from multiple sources are being spoken of in the same discussion.

I would offer to check with my contacts at Microsoft to verify what I understand; but it is the season when everyone is on vacation and will not be back until after the first of the year. My original understanding was similar to yours; but it has been pointed out to me by several people whose knowledge and expertise I respect and trust that this understanding is incorrect. The Windows operating system will allow for separate profiles for each of the monitors in a multiple monitor system if the video card supports multiple simultaneous LUTs; it will not support this if the card does not support separate independent LUTs and monitors, which may be the situation being described in the readme as well as in the knowledgebase. I would think that if the OS was the key limitation and source of the problem, you would not under Windows be able to use different profiles for monitors in a multi-display system where individual separate cards were installed for each monitor; but since you can use separate profiles for each of the monitors in such a system where they are attached to their own video cards, I suspect the problematic restriction is with the video card capabilities.

From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PJS
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:02 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

>>>>re: The “readme” file for what says this? As far as I know Windows, does not prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the video card does not support two LUTs.


The readme file you receive when you download Spyder3Elite (it is an .rtf file dated November 2008)

>>>>re: Again discussion on what Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft’s, Datacolor’s, or some other site’s knowledgbase. 

The knowledgebase on the Datacolor site - the discussions are dated October 2008



I also have a question for you - Laurie:

What are the two jpg files that are delivered with your emails (titled img001 and img002)? They have been attached to your two most recent posts on this site, dated today 12/13/08. Possible infection???

pjs 
"Computer photography won't be photography as we know it.
I think photography will always be chemical."
Annie Leibovitz 
no hablo mac ☺ 
------------------original message (or parts thereof)----------------- 

-----Original Message-----
From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LAURIE SOLOMON
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:56 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver
>Regarding the dual monitor question, the "readme" file still says:

The “readme” file for what says this? As far as I know Windows, does not prevent one from employing separate profiles to the two monitors unless the video card does not support two LUTs.

>There is also a recent discussion on the Knowledgebase regarding this issue titled "dual monitors on Windows OS"

Again discussion on what Knowledgebase on what web site (Microsoft’s, Datacolor’s, or some other site’s knowledgbase.

Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by madigan_bill

I'm puzzled by your response - don't know if you genuinely find it 
interesting or if you are being snide. In any, case your comment 
ignores the point of why one should not dismiss the use of 
screensavers.  

What is the point of saying "all users on LCD displays"? The number 
of people using LCD displays is no proof that LCD monitors are 
capable of displaying a wide color gamut. Some LCDs are capable of 
wide/extended/enhanced gamut display, many are not.
Your comment suggests that you are not aware of the limited gamut 
display capabilities of many LCD monitors, but I assume you know more 
than your comment suggests.

I was about to buy one and LCD, then decided to wait until I managed 
to straighten out the calbration issues on my new Vista 64 system. I 
have been putting off buying an LCD until the gamut issue, input lag 
was addressed. (BTW the the 2nd xbitlabs article has an informative 
view on the validity of input lag)

This recent xbitlabs review starts out with a good primer on extended 
gamut displays and calibration.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm-xl24-
xl30.html 

Another, slightly out of date xbitlabs article. "Contemporary LCD 
Monitor Parameters: Objective and Subjective Analysis"
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/lcd-parameters.html

tftcentral.com is a good place to get info on the actual gamut of 
LCDs, and also color calibration options. 
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/




--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> That's interesting to hear: I'm seeing virtually all users on LCD  
> these days, especially those interested in wide gamut color.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:33 PM, "madigan_bill" <madigan_bill@...>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Your comment about screensavers struck me as very strange. For 
one  
> > thing, many of us use CRT monitors  (most LCDs cannot produce 
the  
> > Adobe RGB gamut, much less the Pro Photo gamut).  As already 
noted,  
> > screen saver's logon feature can keep an unattended computer 
secure.  
> > Besides that, many use a screensaver just for the hell of it.
> >
> > I spent an hour late last night trying to figure out why my  
> > screensaver was not working. That the Spyder3 utility blocks  
> > operating system software is a bit surprising, if not 
disturbing.  
> > Datacolor could have added release notes warning that 
screensavers  
> > would be blocked (release notes are usually included for new 
drivers  
> > and applications.) If Datacolor was unaware of the issue, one has 
to  
> > wonder at how well the software is being tested.
> >
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not  
> > work anymore.
> > > > ___
> > > True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users.  
> > Screensavers
> > > don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen  
> > life) with LCDs, so
> > > there is some question why one would use them, but we are 
looking  
> > into this.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
> > > > ___
> > > Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility  
> > functions as the
> > > newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the  
> > calibration LUTs
> > > in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our 
part,  
> > which are
> > > being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from  
> > triggering.
> > >
> > > > Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray 
restores  
> > normal
> > > > behaviour.
> > > > ___
> > > Right, as the activity is then ceased. But so are any checks 
that  
> > your color
> > > mangement is functioning properly...
> > >
> > > > I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with  
> > "msconfig",
> > > > but there remain some questions.
> > > >
> > > > 1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?
> > > > ___
> > > No, we've had similar reports from other Windows users...
> > > >
> > > > 2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
> > > > ambientlight monitoring).
> > > > ___
> > > Most importantly it attempts to keep your video corrections 
(an  
> > important
> > > part of your color calibration) in place... but it also covers  
> > certification and
> > > calibration reminder issues, and other housekeeping.
> > >
> > > > (system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this 
morning).
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> > > > thanks in advance for your answer(s).
> > > > ___
> > > Not sure if this qualifies as an answer, but at least it sheds  
> > some light on
> > > the situation...
> > >
> > > C. David Tobie
> > > WW Product Technology Manager
> > > Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> > > Datacolor Inc.
> > > CDTobie@
> > > www.datacolor.com/spyder3
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by madigan_bill

It is a screen saver! On a Windows machine, you can add a security 
feature to the screen saver - by requiring that the user log back in 
each time the screen saver pops up to get out of the screen saver. 
The setting is in on the screen saver Control Panel. You check "on 
resume, display logon screen" It is a pain in the ass option if you 
work alone - need to log in every time you leave your machine, but is 
a good idea if you share a work space. Prevents other people from 
using your machine. Some businesses require it. Also a good idea for 
a home user if you do not want your spouse/kids reading your email or 
messing with your machine. 

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> I see... so it's not a screensaver; it's an automatic security  
> function. That makes more sense.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Wim van Leeuwen  
> <wimvanleeuwen@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello David,
> >
> > The "screensaver" is used here as an automatic protection 
against  
> > unwanted use of the machine by people who have nothing to do 
with  
> > the contents.
> > When the screensaver starts I can only go on using it after 
typing a  
> > password, but ........ as the screensaver does not start 
anymore,   
> > the computer stays unprotected.
> > That is what causing me to write about this problem.
> >
> > Have a nice weekend,
> > Wim
> >
> > CDTobie@... wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 12/12/08 11:21:23 AM, psandham@... writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> The problem appears to be in the LUT function of the new 
software.
> >> ___
> >> Without question...
> >>
> >> When I disable the LUT feature, all is OK.
> >> ___
> >> Not OK really; you don't have any check that the LUT data is  
> >> correct, and hasn't been replaced by evil gremlins in the 
Operating  
> >> System, or some other application or utility.
> >>
> >> If the LUT is set to "never" the system runs fine. This is on an 
XP  
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> >> Pro SP3 system.
> >>
> >> Runs fine, but lacks the safety feature. I have to ask what the  
> >> concern over screensavers is, in the age when they don't save  
> >> anything?
> >>
> >> C. David Tobie
> >> WW Product Technology Manager
> >> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> >> Datacolor Inc.
> >> CDTobie@...
> >> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
> >>
> >
>

Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by Mark

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "madigan_bill"
<madigan_bill@...> wrote:
>
> I'm puzzled by your response - 

Screensavers and energy/power management applications seem to have a
nice long history of causing conflicts, some of which were OS
dependent, some revolved around certain graphics cards, some traced to
the actual screensavers themselves.  Remember SS's are applications
and do various things in various ways.  If there was only one each for
the big tree OS's it might be a simple thing to fix, but given the
permutations of OS/GC/SS combinations coupled with various "user
ability" levels...

It's not just Datacolor that has this problem.

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by CDTobie


Screensavers and energy/power management applications seem to have a
nice long history of causing conflicts, some of which were OS
dependent, some revolved around certain graphics cards, some traced to
the actual screensavers themselves.  Remember SS's are applications
and do various things in various ways.  If there was only one each for
the big tree OS's it might be a simple thing to fix, but given the
permutations of OS/GC/SS combinations coupled with various "user
ability" levels...

It's not just Datacolor that has this problem.
___
And I would note that this problem is far from universal with Datacolor's Spyder3Utility. We have no systems that show the issue, and have a grand total of one support ticket noting it. I plan to contact list members for testing, since we've heard more about it here than anywhere else.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3

www.colorvision.com


-----Original Message-----
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From: Mark
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 3:28 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "madigan_bill"
 wrote:
>
> I'm puzzled by your response - 

Screensavers and energy/power management applications seem to have a
nice long history of causing conflicts, some of which were OS
dependent, some revolved around certain graphics cards, some traced to
the actual screensavers themselves.  Remember SS's are applications
and do various things in various ways.  If there was only one each for
the big tree OS's it might be a simple thing to fix, but given the
permutations of OS/GC/SS combinations coupled with various "user
ability" levels...

It's not just Datacolor that has this problem.


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Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by CDTobie


I'm puzzled by your response - don't know if you genuinely find it 
interesting or if you are being snide.
Not being snide, just collecting information. We'll be looking into this, once we have some parameters on it, like how important it is, and how often it happens.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3

www.colorvision.com


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From: madigan_bill
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 3:00 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

I'm puzzled by your response - don't know if you genuinely find it 
interesting or if you are being snide. In any, case your comment 
ignores the point of why one should not dismiss the use of 
screensavers.  

What is the point of saying "all users on LCD displays"? The number 
of people using LCD displays is no proof that LCD monitors are 
capable of displaying a wide color gamut. Some LCDs are capable of 
wide/extended/enhanced gamut display, many are not.
Your comment suggests that you are not aware of the limited gamut 
display capabilities of many LCD monitors, but I assume you know more 
than your comment suggests.

I was about to buy one and LCD, then decided to wait until I managed 
to straighten out the calbration issues on my new Vista 64 system. I 
have been putting off buying an LCD until the gamut issue, input lag 
was addressed. (BTW the the 2nd xbitlabs article has an informative 
view on the validity of input lag)

This recent xbitlabs review starts out with a good primer on extended 
gamut displays and calibration.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm-xl24-
xl30.html 

Another, slightly out of date xbitlabs article. "Contemporary LCD 
Monitor Parameters: Objective and Subjective Analysis"
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/lcd-parameters.html

tftcentral.com is a good place to get info on the actual gamut of 
LCDs, and also color calibration options. 
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/




--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie  wrote:
>
> That's interesting to hear: I'm seeing virtually all users on LCD  
> these days, especially those interested in wide gamut color.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:33 PM, "madigan_bill"   
> wrote:
> 
> > Your comment about screensavers struck me as very strange. For 
one  
> > thing, many of us use CRT monitors  (most LCDs cannot produce 
the  
> > Adobe RGB gamut, much less the Pro Photo gamut).  As already 
noted,  
> > screen saver's logon feature can keep an unattended computer 
secure.  
> > Besides that, many use a screensaver just for the hell of it.
> >
> > I spent an hour late last night trying to figure out why my  
> > screensaver was not working. That the Spyder3 utility blocks  
> > operating system software is a bit surprising, if not 
disturbing.  
> > Datacolor could have added release notes warning that 
screensavers  
> > would be blocked (release notes are usually included for new 
drivers  
> > and applications.) If Datacolor was unaware of the issue, one has 
to  
> > wonder at how well the software is being tested.
> >
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/12/08 4:43:28 AM, wimvanleeuwen@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > After update to Spider3Elite V 3.0.6 my screensaver does not  
> > work anymore.
> > > > ___
> > > True, and we have other reports of that from Windows users.  
> > Screensavers
> > > don't actually "save" anything (in terms of energy, or screen  
> > life) with LCDs, so
> > > there is some question why one would use them, but we are 
looking  
> > into this.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have had no troubles with the preceeding versions.
> > > > ___
> > > Thats because they did not have as robust a set of Utility  
> > functions as the
> > > newer version. We are attempting to force Windows to use the  
> > calibration LUTs
> > > in all circumstances, which requires frequent checks on our 
part,  
> > which are
> > > being seen as activity, and stopping the screensaver from  
> > triggering.
> > >
> > > > Simple "exiting" the Spider3Utility in the systemtray 
restores  
> > normal
> > > > behaviour.
> > > > ___
> > > Right, as the activity is then ceased. But so are any checks 
that  
> > your color
> > > mangement is functioning properly...
> > >
> > > > I have temporarily switched off the spider3utility with  
> > "msconfig",
> > > > but there remain some questions.
> > > >
> > > > 1. am I the only one with this kind of problems?
> > > > ___
> > > No, we've had similar reports from other Windows users...
> > > >
> > > > 2. what does the spider3utility exactly do for me(i don't use
> > > > ambientlight monitoring).
> > > > ___
> > > Most importantly it attempts to keep your video corrections 
(an  
> > important
> > > part of your color calibration) in place... but it also covers  
> > certification and
> > > calibration reminder issues, and other housekeeping.
> > >
> > > > (system is XP with all updates/patches, last update this 
morning).
> > > > thanks in advance for your answer(s).
> > > > ___
> > > Not sure if this qualifies as an answer, but at least it sheds  
> > some light on
> > > the situation...
> > >
> > > C. David Tobie
> > > WW Product Technology Manager
> > > Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> > > Datacolor Inc.
> > > CDTobie@
> > > www.datacolor.com/spyder3
> > >
> >
> >
>



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Re: Spider3Utility and Screen saver

2008-12-14 by Mark

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>

> It's not just Datacolor that has this problem.
> 
> ___
> And I would note that this problem is far from universal with
Datacolor's Spyder3Utility. We have no systems that show the issue,
and have a grand total of one support ticket noting it. I plan to
contact list members for testing, since we've heard more about it here
than anywhere else.
> 
> 
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager


Didn't mean to imply it as being across the board.

But while we're here, I do have an issue when I boot in to OS 9 to use
a SCSI scanner, where the SCSI card has issues with power management,
which interferes with using a screensaver, that precludes me from
knowing if I have a problem or not;  should I start a support ticket
for that?

Don't throw a shoe at me either.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.