Disklavier

Can anyone explain Velocet to me? I've downloaded it but don't have a
clue how to include it in my flow. I generally play midi files to my
Disklavier straight from my laptop. And frequently the volume is
completely misset. It would be great to convert volumes (based on
curves) which is what it looks like Velocet does.... Or should I look at
another product? Can I do this with Midigraphy?

Richard Stibbons wrote:

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Harry,

I have found Veloset to be a good tool to adjust max volumes for MIDI,
ESEQ, and some other file types as contained on the file type pick list
within the program.  Veloset is a macro tool that appears to allow
setting all of the volume controllers at once, by manipulating the
sliders on either side. (Caution: saving the new settings overwrites
the original file.)  If you want to change individual channels, you
will be better off using a sequencer such as Cakewalk;  there may also
be some freeware that will do it.  

If you're thinking about trying to integrate veloset functions into an
automated flow from laptop to piano, you probably will have get access
to the source code. I would thinnk some of the more sophisticated
PC-based MIDI players out there would incorpporate similar
functionality.

Regards,

Mike McGregor
Double Oak, TX


harry kelley <harryke-@...> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/disklavier/?start=159
> Can anyone explain Velocet to me? I've downloaded it but don't have a
> clue how to include it in my flow. I generally play midi files to my
> Disklavier straight from my laptop. And frequently the volume is
> completely misset. It would be great to convert volumes (based on
> curves) which is what it looks like Velocet does.... Or should I look
at
> another product? Can I do this with Midigraphy?
> 
> Richard Stibbons wrote:
> 
> >   Veloset was free.  Take it, leave it. R StibbonsCromer England
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Do we have a Veloset expert in the group?  I have found that a 
significant number of files are rejected by Veloset complaining that 
an "unrecognized statement in MIDI file" has been found. Is there a 
way around this?

I've never tried Veloset, but I believe I know what it is.  Assuming that all
the files that didn't work did not come from a single faulty source, my
suggestion is to invest in a proven sequencer that would give you the capability
of examining and modifying MIDI files and not waste your time.  Power Tracks by
PG Music is quite capable and inexpensive ($29).  See www.pgmusic.com

Cakewalk costs more, but would also do the job nicely.

Good luck!

bnbwv@... wrote:
> 
> Do we have a Veloset expert in the group?  I have found that a
> significant number of files are rejected by Veloset complaining that
> an "unrecognized statement in MIDI file" has been found. Is there a
> way around this?
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Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

I am certainly not a Veloset expert, but I have used Veloset to adjust 
the volume of many midi files downloaded from the internet.  I have 
never had Veloset reject a .fil or .mid file nor have I ever seen the 
message that you have reported.  perhaps I have just been fortunate in 
the files that I have operated on with Veloset, but I would think that 
in the hundred or more files that I have brought into Veloset that I 
might have encountered the problem that you report.  What happens when 
you import the midi file into Cakewalk?  Do you get a similar message?  
If so, perhaps the midi file has been corrupted somehow in the download 
to your computer. 

Tom

Thanks for the reply.  I think I have solved the problem.  I am 
trying to massage a few files to play on a PianoDisk system on a 
Samick grand at a local assisted living home.  It requires SMF0 
files, and to keep the volume compatible with a background 
application, I wanted to reduce the dynamic range of velocities as I 
have been doing at home for my Disklavier.  I got a program called 
MidiType off the internet free, written by one Jeff Glatt, which 
converts files from one format to another.  However, although the 
files seem to play properly both on the piano and on the Windows 
multimedia player, apparently it does something to the files to be 
incompatible with Velocet.  The solution seems to be to adjust the 
velocities before converting the file type with MidiType.
    I might mention in passing that I recently bought a copy of 
Cakewalk Home Studio 9, which I had hoped would be a significant step 
up from my old TRAX and Midisoft Sessions programs that I have been 
making do with for years.  At this point, however, I have been unable 
to get the Cakewalk program to do velocity adjustments and file 
conversions anywhere near as conveniently as the old programs, and am 
extremely unimpressed with it.  I emailed Cakewalk for instructions 
thinking that I had missed something, but the first response did not 
help and a second request has gone unanswered.  I would not recommend 
it to anyone for these types of operations.

Bob


--- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote:
> I've never tried Veloset, but I believe I know what it is.  
Assuming that all
> the files that didn't work did not come from a single faulty 
source, my
> suggestion is to invest in a proven sequencer that would give you 
the capability
> of examining and modifying MIDI files and not waste your time.  
Power Tracks by
> PG Music is quite capable and inexpensive ($29).  See 
www.pgmusic.com
> 
> Cakewalk costs more, but would also do the job nicely.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> bnbwv@y... wrote:
> > 
> > Do we have a Veloset expert in the group?  I have found that a
> > significant number of files are rejected by Veloset complaining 
that
> > an "unrecognized statement in MIDI file" has been found. Is there 
a
> > way around this?
> > 
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@e...
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moderator, send it to:
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content among other things, go to:
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> -- 
> Robert Welcyng
> Anchorage, Alaska

I'm glad you solved the problem and that the assisted living folks can now enjoy
their music at background levels.

However, one man's mate is another man's person!  While I've never used Veloset,
I wouldn't want anyone to think badly of Cakewalk--Pro Audio 9, at least. 
Adjusting note velocities is not only a cinch, there are a number of ways to do
it:

Select the track(s) to be edited.

1) Pull down Edit/Scale Velocities.  You may either scale the selected notes by
a percentage, or set them to fixed values.  You may also make linear crescendos
and decrescendos by merely filling out the dialog box and clicking.  And, if you
don't like the result, you can Edit/Undo.

OR

2) Pull down Edit/MIDI Effects/Cakewalk FX/Velocity and fill out the dialog box.

OR

3) If you need to make more sophisticated changes, you can always write and run
a CAL script that will change any given velocity value to another.

As an example of Cakewalk's versatility, suppose you wanted to change the
velocity value of all notes less than 25 to 25.  Select the track(s), pull down
Edit/Select/By Filter.  In the dialog box, click "None", check "Note", in "Max"
type 24, click "OK".  Now go to Edit/Scale Velocities, type 25 in both boxes,
click "OK" and it's done.

Now, if someone would just write a Cakewalk plug-in that would display a
histogram of the note velocity distribution in a MIDI file or selection, I could
be a happy person's mate.

-----------------------------------
 

bnbwv@... wrote:
> 
>     Thanks for the reply.  I think I have solved the problem.  I am
> trying to massage a few files to play on a PianoDisk system on a
> Samick grand at a local assisted living home.  It requires SMF0
> files, and to keep the volume compatible with a background
> application, I wanted to reduce the dynamic range of velocities as I
> have been doing at home for my Disklavier.  I got a program called
> MidiType off the internet free, written by one Jeff Glatt, which
> converts files from one format to another.  However, although the
> files seem to play properly both on the piano and on the Windows
> multimedia player, apparently it does something to the files to be
> incompatible with Velocet.  The solution seems to be to adjust the
> velocities before converting the file type with MidiType.
>     I might mention in passing that I recently bought a copy of
> Cakewalk Home Studio 9, which I had hoped would be a significant step
> up from my old TRAX and Midisoft Sessions programs that I have been
> making do with for years.  At this point, however, I have been unable
> to get the Cakewalk program to do velocity adjustments and file
> conversions anywhere near as conveniently as the old programs, and am
> extremely unimpressed with it.  I emailed Cakewalk for instructions
> thinking that I had missed something, but the first response did not
> help and a second request has gone unanswered.  I would not recommend
> it to anyone for these types of operations.
> 
> Bob
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote:
> > I've never tried Veloset, but I believe I know what it is.
> Assuming that all
> > the files that didn't work did not come from a single faulty
> source, my
> > suggestion is to invest in a proven sequencer that would give you
> the capability
> > of examining and modifying MIDI files and not waste your time.
> Power Tracks by
> > PG Music is quite capable and inexpensive ($29).  See
> www.pgmusic.com
> >
> > Cakewalk costs more, but would also do the job nicely.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > bnbwv@y... wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we have a Veloset expert in the group?  I have found that a
> > > significant number of files are rejected by Veloset complaining
> that
> > > an "unrecognized statement in MIDI file" has been found. Is there
> a
> > > way around this?
> > >
> > >
> > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@e...
> > >
> > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
> moderator, send it to:
> > > disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> > >
> > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> > >
> > > To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier
> content among other things, go to:
> > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > >
> > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too
> much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option
> instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to
> the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email
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> > --
> > Robert Welcyng
> > Anchorage, Alaska
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier content among other things, go to:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

As I noted, I bought the less pricey Home Studio 9 program, which 
apparently does not support comprehensive modification of MIDI 
files.  I cannot justify the cost of the Pro version of Cakewalk, and 
felt that I was paying a little too much for the Home Studio for the 
few things that I wanted to do.  I will check out the PGMusic program 
and maybe try it.  I bought their 1000+ classical collection and, 
other than having to modify the velocities for 1000 files to be 
compatible with my old Disklavier, have been pleased with their 
product.
Incidentally, Velocet does display a velocity histogram, so you might 
at least use it to observe the velocity distribution, even if you 
don't use it to modify the velocities.


--- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote:
> I'm glad you solved the problem and that the assisted living folks 
can now enjoy
> their music at background levels.
> 
> However, one man's mate is another man's person!  While I've never 
used Veloset,
> I wouldn't want anyone to think badly of Cakewalk--Pro Audio 9, at 
least. 
> Adjusting note velocities is not only a cinch, there are a number 
of ways to do
> it:
> 
> Select the track(s) to be edited.
> 
> 1) Pull down Edit/Scale Velocities.  You may either scale the 
selected notes by
> a percentage, or set them to fixed values.  You may also make 
linear crescendos
> and decrescendos by merely filling out the dialog box and 
clicking.  And, if you
> don't like the result, you can Edit/Undo.
> 
> OR
> 
> 2) Pull down Edit/MIDI Effects/Cakewalk FX/Velocity and fill out 
the dialog box.
> 
> OR
> 
> 3) If you need to make more sophisticated changes, you can always 
write and run
> a CAL script that will change any given velocity value to another.
> 
> As an example of Cakewalk's versatility, suppose you wanted to 
change the
> velocity value of all notes less than 25 to 25.  Select the track
(s), pull down
> Edit/Select/By Filter.  In the dialog box, click "None", 
check "Note", in "Max"
> type 24, click "OK".  Now go to Edit/Scale Velocities, type 25 in 
both boxes,
> click "OK" and it's done.
> 
> Now, if someone would just write a Cakewalk plug-in that would 
display a
> histogram of the note velocity distribution in a MIDI file or 
selection, I could
> be a happy person's mate.
> 
> -----------------------------------
>  
> 
> bnbwv@y... wrote:
> > 
> >     Thanks for the reply.  I think I have solved the problem.  I 
am
> > trying to massage a few files to play on a PianoDisk system on a
> > Samick grand at a local assisted living home.  It requires SMF0
> > files, and to keep the volume compatible with a background
> > application, I wanted to reduce the dynamic range of velocities 
as I
> > have been doing at home for my Disklavier.  I got a program called
> > MidiType off the internet free, written by one Jeff Glatt, which
> > converts files from one format to another.  However, although the
> > files seem to play properly both on the piano and on the Windows
> > multimedia player, apparently it does something to the files to be
> > incompatible with Velocet.  The solution seems to be to adjust the
> > velocities before converting the file type with MidiType.
> >     I might mention in passing that I recently bought a copy of
> > Cakewalk Home Studio 9, which I had hoped would be a significant 
step
> > up from my old TRAX and Midisoft Sessions programs that I have 
been
> > making do with for years.  At this point, however, I have been 
unable
> > to get the Cakewalk program to do velocity adjustments and file
> > conversions anywhere near as conveniently as the old programs, 
and am
> > extremely unimpressed with it.  I emailed Cakewalk for 
instructions
> > thinking that I had missed something, but the first response did 
not
> > help and a second request has gone unanswered.  I would not 
recommend
> > it to anyone for these types of operations.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote:
> > > I've never tried Veloset, but I believe I know what it is.
> > Assuming that all
> > > the files that didn't work did not come from a single faulty
> > source, my
> > > suggestion is to invest in a proven sequencer that would give 
you
> > the capability
> > > of examining and modifying MIDI files and not waste your time.
> > Power Tracks by
> > > PG Music is quite capable and inexpensive ($29).  See
> > www.pgmusic.com
> > >
> > > Cakewalk costs more, but would also do the job nicely.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > bnbwv@y... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do we have a Veloset expert in the group?  I have found that a
> > > > significant number of files are rejected by Veloset 
complaining
> > that
> > > > an "unrecognized statement in MIDI file" has been found. Is 
there
> > a
> > > > way around this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@e...
> > > >
> > > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
and
> > moderator, send it to:
> > > > disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> > > >
> > > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > > http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > >
> > > > To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun 
disklavier
> > content among other things, go to:
> > > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > > >
> > > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting 
too
> > much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery 
option
> > instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your 
access to
> > the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank 
email
> > to:
> > > > disklavier-unsubscribe@e...
> > > >
> > > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Robert Welcyng
> > > Anchorage, Alaska
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@e...
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier 
content among other things, go to:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to 
the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email 
to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@e...
> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@e...
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> 
> -- 
> Robert Welcyng
> Anchorage, Alaska