Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

> quite
> interested in wavetables etc....can't wait for the
> sidstation...

The SIDStation is a wonderful machine, but I heard you mention the
Waldorf XT. Well, the wavetables in the SID are COMPLETELY different
than those in the XT.

> i know it's off topic but can anyone recommend the q by
> waldorf..is it as good as they say?..anyone have any waldorf
> experience..

Waldorf has good products. Personally, I love their original Waldorf
Microwave I the most. It has more punch than the XT. As for the Q...
it's a synth "without balls". I know I'm insulting people now, but many
studios consult me before buying equipment and we've done extensive
tests between lots of analogs and virtual analogs and the Q was one of
the worst! And the price-tag is huge! The new vocoder is very nice
though and MUCH better than the one on the Virus. But then, the new
vocoder on the Supernova II is also great, and the SN II's overall sound
has more character than the Q. So, I definitely dislike the Q... the
only thing about it that I like it its design: the blue Q is in my
opinion one of the most beaufitul synths ever, but that's taste of
course.

> ps..do you know.if the sidstaion willcontinue to be updated with new
> features ?

Who knows... :-)
But hey, you already get a lot of features for your money... and
possibly the best LFO section in any synth + you get a synth with
character and a very distinctive sound. Damned, you just made me feel
like tweaking this lovely SidStation again... and again.... and again...
:-)))

Ciao,
Joeri
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Hi,

             Thanks joeri for the sounds advice...to be honest the q
has never fully grabbed me (loads of clarity but....) as they say..i love 
all the modulation possibilties..i just love that classic 'waldorf
sounds..is the microwave 2 as good as the 1st(is it worth the search?)
how does the xt compare...not looking for an analogue replacement but 
something unique...

but hey...sids getting a  little restless in the backround..placing an order 
for the sid tommorrow....the wavetable i've looked into...seems great for 
strange effects and stuff...unusual arps etc...and some of the lead sounds 
sound hair raising on the demp page of the website...!

best wishes,

matt .....ishq
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>              Thanks joeri for the sounds advice...to be honest the q
> has never fully grabbed me (loads of clarity but....) as they say..i love
> all the modulation possibilties..i just love that classic 'waldorf
> sounds..is the microwave 2 as good as the 1st(is it worth the search?)
> how does the xt compare...not looking for an analogue replacement but
> something unique...

kawai k5000 man! :) .. out of production, cheap and v unique IMHO!
I'm not too sold on virtual analogue .. i get tired of these same sounds.
Most of the DSPs are kinda weak too .. however i must say i'm in love with
my nord micro, purely because of the audio inputs and the softsynth style of
patch building. Nothing worse than hearing stepping on these virtual filters
(those grooveboxes are guilty!) :(

check out www.frostwave.com .. this guys lives around the corner here. I
have his first edition hand built ms20 style filter box, and it's really
meaty.. (if you want authentic no stepping analogue sweeps) .. new model is
CV controlled, there's a nice CV converter too .. high voltage for monopoly
etc..

> but hey...sids getting a  little restless in the backround..placing an
order
> for the sid tommorrow....the wavetable i've looked into...seems great for
> strange effects and stuff...unusual arps etc...and some of the lead sounds
> sound hair raising on the demp page of the website...!

:) hair raising yes. It'll penetrate any mix, and the sound is full of these
great anomalies that are quite odd, and occur at the best of times for mixes
that are indeed unique also!
The wavetable is sorta like a sequence, that changes each step .. to a
different waveform etc. If you can imagine this, you know what it sounds
like ..

andrew

> check out www.frostwave.com .. this guys lives around the corner here. I

nice stuff.

> Nothing worse than hearing stepping on these virtual filters
> (those grooveboxes are guilty!) :(

The Virus filters are imo the nicest digital filters I've heard to date
and they have no stepping at all (and believe, I'm also very critical
when it comes to that :-).
And don't forget the SidStation has an audio input as well and great
filters! I use it as filter box very often!

> check out www.frostwave.com .. this guys lives around the corner here.
> I
> have his first edition hand built ms20 style filter box, and it's
> really
> meaty.. (if you want authentic no stepping analogue sweeps)

I'm not so impressed by the original MS20 filter (have MS20 and MS50 in
the studio). I recommend the Sherman Filterbank and then the Mutronics
Mutator for analog filtering. Nothing beats the Sherman though... if
only I had the money for their limited Quad filter... :-(

> :) hair raising yes. It'll penetrate any mix, and the sound is full of
> these
> great anomalies that are quite odd, and occur at the best of times for
> mixes
> that are indeed unique also!

It can also be integrated in trance very well. Just started using it
more intensively in some trance mixes and with some extra FX it's just
perfect.

> The wavetable is sorta like a sequence, that changes each step .. to a
>
> different waveform etc. If you can imagine this, you know what it
> sounds
> like ..

And if you play this sequence very fast, you can make drumsounds with
it. (taught by the master himself: Daniel! Thanks for this trick, it's
great!)

Greetings from Belgium,
Joeri
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Hi,

> is the microwave 2 as good as the 1st(is it worth the search?)

It's "different". It's all digital whereas the I had more analog stuff
in it (especially the filters). So, it definitely doesn't have the same
amount of punch. On the other hand, the Microwave 2 can create more
different types of sounds and is better for strings and pads. If you can
afford both, get both as they complement eachother in many ways.

> how does the xt compare...not looking for an analogue replacement but
> something unique...

XT is "almost" the same as the Microwave 2, but with more knobs, analog
STEREO input (although I'm not sure whether it's summed to mono
internally) and more DSP RAM (some earlier revisions of Microwave 2 had
less DSP ram: can be upgraded when taking it in for the 30-voice
update). The XT is also unique and complements virtual analog synths
well.

> but hey...sids getting a  little restless in the backround..placing an
> order
> for the sid tommorrow....

Good choice! Just received a newsletter and their amount of chips is
getting low (200 chips left) so it's the right time to get one if you
haven't got it yet! This babe will be a classic for a very select group
of users!!!

Bye,
Joeri
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On Mon Jun 19 2000, Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> wrote:

> And if you play this sequence very fast, you can make drumsounds with
> it. (taught by the master himself: Daniel! Thanks for this trick, it's
> great!)

The original C64 trick to make _that_ drumsound. And for the authentic
C64 bassound just add a short burst of noise before the waveform you
like. That adds a shaker/hihat sound to the bass. On the C64 check out
the main Sanxion tune by Rob Hubbard to hear it in full effect.

/Janne, played around with quite a few  composers on the C64...

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has anyone had any experience with tc electronic fireworx..theres a guy doen 
the road who's got one and says it's the best synthesiser ever for
abstract stuff...trouble is i thought it ws an fx unit?formant synthesis and 
fractal bla bla bla etc...has anyone used one or know what they sound 
like?..

matt ..ishq
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UHmmm I think it's a fx unit too.

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  has anyone had any experience with tc electronic fireworx..theres a guy doen 
  the road who's got one and says it's the best synthesiser ever for
  abstract stuff...trouble is i thought it ws an fx unit?formant synthesis and 
  fractal bla bla bla etc...has anyone used one or know what they sound 
  like?..

  matt ..ishq
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UHmmm I think it's a fx unit too.

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  has anyone had any experience with tc electronic fireworx..theres a guy doen 
  the road who's got one and says it's the best synthesiser ever for
  abstract stuff...trouble is i thought it ws an fx unit?formant synthesis and 
  fractal bla bla bla etc...has anyone used one or know what they sound 
  like?..

  matt ..ishq
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http://www.funkyvibes.demon.nl/anthony.resta/

greetings from bopnique musique: a sci fi mambo lab
at the liquid center of the rhythm factory...



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>From: "fffff fffff" <ishqhillier@...>
>To: elektron-users@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] RE: should i or shouldn't i....
>Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2000, 3:24 PM
>

i have used the fireworx extensively and it's an incredibly powerful fx
unit.
its  midi sync works great for low fi telephone delay stuff and the
distortion is very cool.
you can link lots of different engines together, to create all kinds of
stuff.
yes it generates tones and noise like a synth , but doesn't work like a
conventional keyboard.
this and the orville eventide are my two favorite fx boxes.

ajr

> The Virus filters are imo the nicest digital filters I've heard to date
> and they have no stepping at all (and believe, I'm also very critical
> when it comes to that :-).

excellent! .. i must check these out. I think it's good now, in the
beginning of this retro-revival i'm hearing all sorts of bad PCM samples
with really wimpy filters (like weak sampler filters). I'm interested in the
issue of midi transmission / interpretation. There are 127 steps, so
somewhere there needs to be interpolation so that the filter doesn't step.
I've been impressed by the korg kaoss pad, indeed no stepping in these
effects (and it's tracking 127 vertical and horizontal). ALso the nord micro
filters sound nice & wet to me! (i guage a good digital filter by how the
resonance performs at higher levels, and carving senstation it gives while
sweeping)

> And don't forget the SidStation has an audio input as well and great
> filters! I use it as filter box very often!

oh yes! :) .. it's an interesting lo-fi filter. . great for drums ! :)

> I'm not so impressed by the original MS20 filter (have MS20 and MS50 in
> the studio).

wikd!! :) ..
yes you're right, from experience with this box, they're quite harsh, and
not really wet, the resonance screams in some disturbing ways. However, my
favourite purpose for it would have to be tone generation, the thing self
oscillates to create amazing harmonic drones ! (similar to the aboriginal
didgeridoo from here). Another purpose for the self oscillation is to feed
sound in, but with the pitch tuned to the sound ... it really rips things
apart.

You made these tones with your ms20?

> I recommend the Sherman Filterbank and then the Mutronics
> Mutator for analog filtering. Nothing beats the Sherman though... if
> only I had the money for their limited Quad filter... :-(

oh yes the sherman i've heard lots about. Tell me what it is about these
filters that's so cool ? (interested!) :)

> It can also be integrated in trance very well. Just started using it
> more intensively in some trance mixes and with some extra FX it's just
> perfect.

:) .. any chance we can hear some at some stage? :)

(elektron, with your awesome new PHP site, it would be possible to have a
section for the sid community (with serial numbers) to share material and
ideas)..

pls check out www.micromusic.org .. carl has done a great job with this
site, very clever BBS approach. I'm sure you'll all like it ... i visit this
place all the time.

> And if you play this sequence very fast, you can make drumsounds with
> it. (taught by the master himself: Daniel! Thanks for this trick, it's
> great!)

yes, cybernoid snares ... ahhh! *tingles*

andrew

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, andrew sargeant wrote:

> :) .. any chance we can hear some at some stage? :)
> 
> (elektron, with your awesome new PHP site, it would be possible to have a
> section for the sid community (with serial numbers) to share material and
> ideas)..

Aahh! :) Yes, but it would be quite lot's of work... Gotta get someone
else working on it in that case. But I'm so surprised noone have made use
of the common filespace at onlist (or egroups or whatever they like to
call themself today)! It's just to the egroups page, log into the
elektron-users group, and upload. Everyone on the list can download from
there. I think that's a pretty good start!

 //Daniel

Having checked out the web info on the fireworx it looks like the bloke up 
the road is being honest..he plays blues guitar through it however?
loves the distortion...but is threatening to sell it for a vinatge fender 
amp of some kind.that he's seen..he reckons the fireworx is worth about 
\ufffd900.00 uk secondhand...seems alot of money...but the shop price new bring 
me out in a cold sweat!

Having loads and loads of dx plugins etc and stuff...would this unit be 
capable of much besides.I see it's very midi controllable so i guess thats a 
stupid question...how about as a sound source...for abstract sample s 
etc....does anyone know if there is there a pc editor available for ?

I beta sid would sound more than a little different through one...has anyone 
tried?

matt ......ishq

>From: "anthony j. resta" <bopnique@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@egroups.com
>To: elektron-users@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] RE: should i or shouldn't i....
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:44:57 -0400
>
>
>http://www.funkyvibes.demon.nl/anthony.resta/
>
>greetings from bopnique musique: a sci fi mambo lab
>at the liquid center of the rhythm factory...
>
>
>
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> >From: "fffff fffff" <ishqhillier@...>
> >To: elektron-users@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] RE: should i or shouldn't i....
> >Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2000, 3:24 PM
> >
>
>i have used the fireworx extensively and it's an incredibly powerful fx
>unit.
>its  midi sync works great for low fi telephone delay stuff and the
>distortion is very cool.
>you can link lots of different engines together, to create all kinds of
>stuff.
>yes it generates tones and noise like a synth , but doesn't work like a
>conventional keyboard.
>this and the orville eventide are my two favorite fx boxes.
>
>ajr

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Hi,

> > The Virus filters
> There are 127 steps, so
> somewhere there needs to be interpolation so that the filter doesn't
> step.

They use interpolation indeed. The distortion modes in the Virus filters
are also very nice and make it sound completely different.

> > MS20 filter
> However, my
> favourite purpose for it would have to be tone generation, the thing
> self
> oscillates to create amazing harmonic drones !

I'm very happy that the highpass filter also has resonance because I
always use it as "sub oscillator" for basses. :)

> oh yes the sherman i've heard lots about. Tell me what it is about
> these
> filters that's so cool ? (interested!) :)

http://www.sherman.be/
First thing: it's from Belgium and so am I... I know the makers, so I'm
biased. :)
It has so many possibilities... I see it more as a "synth without
oscillators" instead of a filterbox. :)
Very powerful sound as well.

> > It can also be integrated in trance very well.
> :) .. any chance we can hear some at some stage? :)

Sure, as soon as it's in the stores. :)))
Bad joke. Most of the trance releases I was talking about, will be
released in September or so. I'll then post some MP3 files with short
previews of each song. I'll make sure I'll take a part where the
SidStation is in it.

> (elektron, with your awesome new PHP site, it would be possible to
> have a
> section for the sid community (with serial numbers) to share material
> and
> ideas)..

We have 20Mb on the Egroups site that has not been used yet! Accessable
NOW!

> www.micromusic.org

Thanks for the link... personally I definitely prefer the SidStation
site since it's more accessable to new people.

By the way, I just found this through micromusic.org:
http://www.sidsyn.com
Seems interesting as well, although not that many features. I'm curious.
:)

Bye,
Joeri

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