Elektron Musical Instruments

Well? We're waiting anxiously for the first reports...

;-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen" 
<g.vansanten@c...> wrote:
> Well? We're waiting anxiously for the first reports...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Gert
> www.waveworld.tv

Did you order one too or r u still waiting for the MX-1?

Roonan wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen"
> <g.vansanten@c...> wrote:
>> Well? We're waiting anxiously for the first reports...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Gert
>> www.waveworld.tv
>
> Did you order one too or r u still waiting for the MX-1?

No, I didn't order a MM. My budget is gone after I bought a couple of other
things recently; Ion, Karma, and Korg electribe SX - which hasn't arrived
yet.

But I'm especially interested in the sequencer of the MM, and I might get a
rack version, if Electron produces one in the future...

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

9/20/2003 12:08:01 PM, "Gert van Santen" 
<g.vansanten@...> wrote:

>No, I didn't order a MM. My budget is gone after I bought a 
couple of other
>things recently; Ion, Karma, and Korg electribe SX - which 
hasn't arrived
>yet.

SX? who's letting you order that now? AFAIK that isn't even 
due to hit the streets until october. Then again, this wouldn't be 
the first time I've been totally out of the loop on release dates...

-Brandon

Brandon wrote:

> SX? who's letting you order that now? AFAIK that isn't even
> due to hit the streets until october. Then again, this wouldn't be
> the first time I've been totally out of the loop on release dates...

Yeah, well. I ordered one from my local music shop at the end of August when
they told me it would be released two weeks later. They phoned me last week
it would be out in October. So there you go.

:-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

Funny Gert, never noticed you on the Elektron list... which piece of gear
did u sinned 4 ?

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Gert van Santen" <g.vansanten@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: [elektron] So how does the MM sound/work? Anyone?


> Well? We're waiting anxiously for the first reports...
>
> ;-)
>
> Gert
> www.waveworld.tv
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

M-.-n wrote:
> Funny Gert, never noticed you on the Elektron list...

Well, you know how it is; reading and posting to the music-bar takes so much
of my time, that I only post to the Electron list every once in a while :-))

which piece of
> gear did u sinned 4 ?

I have a MachineDrum. Wicked!

:-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

It sounds REALLY good so far. Nice filters.

I made a short 1.5meg mp3 of a little ditty, but there is no room 
left in the files section. Perhaps some people who have things there 
for a long time can go in and take them out to make space . . 

Ravi


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen" 
<g.vansanten@c...> wrote:

> Well? We're waiting anxiously for the first reports...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Gert
> www.waveworld.tv

On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:00:51PM -0000, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
>    It sounds REALLY good so far. Nice filters.
>    I made a short 1.5meg mp3 of a little ditty, but there is no room
>    left in the files section. Perhaps some people who have things there
>    for a long time can go in and take them out to make space . .
>    Ravi

I posted this here: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~jmelnyk/songs/ravi.mp3

Thanks Ravi; it sounds great! :-)

Joe.

Joe wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:00:51PM -0000, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
>>    It sounds REALLY good so far. Nice filters.
>>    I made a short 1.5meg mp3 of a little ditty, but there is no room
>>    left in the files section. Perhaps some people who have things
>>    there for a long time can go in and take them out to make space .
>>    . Ravi
> 
> I posted this here: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~jmelnyk/songs/ravi.mp3
> 
> Thanks Ravi; it sounds great! :-)

VEry nice! Nice filters, indeed. Is this purely MM?

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> It sounds REALLY good so far. Nice filters.
> 
> I made a short 1.5meg mp3 of a little ditty, but there is no room 
> left in the files section. Perhaps some people who have things 
there 
> for a long time can go in and take them out to make space . . 
> 
> Ravi
> 

I guess you are the biggest G.A.S. victim I know.
Everytime it's somewhere about new synth's I find youre name all 
over :-)
So this is REALLY something? 
I'll still have to wait three day's....
Can't wait to combine it with the MD and Evolver.

Ronald.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 02:08:55AM -0000, Roonan wrote:
>    I'll still have to wait three day's....

two here.

>    Can't wait to combine it with the MD and Evolver.

likewise. :-)

Joe

Ha! Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black  . . . :)

I don't acquire any gear. I acquire great gear (and sell it if it isn't so great or is eclipsed)

My current keepers are:

Evolver, V-Synth, Wavestation, Pulse, Minimoog, Microwave, MD, MM (on faith so far), Kurzweil PC88, Notron, E-mu Command Station, Casio SK5 :)

Everything else is listed in Loot:

MC505, FIZMO, E-mu Proteus MPS, Roland A70, Kawai K5000 (w/extra ram), Waldorf uQkeyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Yamaha A5000, Akai AX80 (my first synth), Yamaha DX100, Roland JP-8080

Recently sold includes FS1R, MPC60, MPC3000

Ravi

p.s.  victim? I think not! This is a game I intend to win  :)   . .call me . .  VICTOR!! :)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roonan 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] So how does the MM sound/work? Anyone?


  --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
  <noision1@h...> wrote:
  > It sounds REALLY good so far. Nice filters.
  > 
  > I made a short 1.5meg mp3 of a little ditty, but there is no room 
  > left in the files section. Perhaps some people who have things 
  there 
  > for a long time can go in and take them out to make space . . 
  > 
  > Ravi
  > 

  I guess you are the biggest G.A.S. victim I know.
  Everytime it's somewhere about new synth's I find youre name all 
  over :-)
  So this is REALLY something? 
  I'll still have to wait three day's....
  Can't wait to combine it with the MD and Evolver.

  Ronald.


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> Ha! Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black  . . . :)
> 
> I don't acquire any gear. I acquire great gear (and sell it 
> if it isn't so great or is eclipsed)
> 
> My current keepers are:
> 
> Evolver, V-Synth, Wavestation, Pulse, Minimoog, Microwave, 
> MD, MM (on faith so far), Kurzweil PC88, Notron, E-mu Command 
> Station, Casio SK5 :)
> 
> Everything else is listed in Loot:
> 
> MC505, FIZMO, E-mu Proteus MPS, Roland A70, Kawai K5000 
> (w/extra ram), Waldorf uQkeyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Yamaha 
> A5000, Akai AX80 (my first synth), Yamaha DX100, Roland JP-8080
> 
> Recently sold includes FS1R, MPC60, MPC3000
> 
> Ravi


What no Virus? You ain't got jack.

-m@

I would like to replace the uQk with a redback for live use . . but the cost! After MD, MM and Vsynth I am tapped for a long while!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Matt Picone 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [elektron] So how does the MM sound/work? Anyone?


  > Ha! Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black  . . . :)
  > 
  > I don't acquire any gear. I acquire great gear (and sell it 
  > if it isn't so great or is eclipsed)
  > 
  > My current keepers are:
  > 
  > Evolver, V-Synth, Wavestation, Pulse, Minimoog, Microwave, 
  > MD, MM (on faith so far), Kurzweil PC88, Notron, E-mu Command 
  > Station, Casio SK5 :)
  > 
  > Everything else is listed in Loot:
  > 
  > MC505, FIZMO, E-mu Proteus MPS, Roland A70, Kawai K5000 
  > (w/extra ram), Waldorf uQkeyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Yamaha 
  > A5000, Akai AX80 (my first synth), Yamaha DX100, Roland JP-8080
  > 
  > Recently sold includes FS1R, MPC60, MPC3000
  > 
  > Ravi


  What no Virus? You ain't got jack.

  -m@


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> I would like to replace the uQk with a redback for live use . 
> . but the cost! After MD, MM and Vsynth I am tapped for a long while!

I hear that... But man. The machine drum and the Indigo2 are made for
each other. Right Gert?

-m@

Someone dropping hints?  What do you mean by MX-1?

> Did you order one too or r u still waiting for the MX-1?

I second that.  That's my same exact setup.  You can see it here:  

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/endlessnessisticman

Can someone tell me what tags to use to post a link in the group board?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:

> > I would like to replace the uQk with a redback for live use . 
> > . but the cost! After MD, MM and Vsynth I am tapped for a long while!
> 
> I hear that... But man. The machine drum and the Indigo2 are made for
> each other. Right Gert?
> 
> -m@

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Matt Picone wrote:
> What no Virus? You ain't got jack.

Pshaw. I don't need no stinkin' virus.

-Brandon
___________________________________________

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is inversely proportional to it's need.
___________________________________________

Matt Picone wrote:
>> I would like to replace the uQk with a redback for live use .
>> . but the cost! After MD, MM and Vsynth I am tapped for a long while!
> 
> I hear that... But man. The machine drum and the Indigo2 are made for
> each other. Right Gert?

So true! Connected by MIDI-clock they rock:-))

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman" 
<endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> Someone dropping hints?  What do you mean by MX-1?
> 
> > Did you order one too or r u still waiting for the MX-1?

Electribe MX-1.
I'm sure you know it, don't you?
I think the new MX and SX are going to be very tasty Live gear.
I owned the ES-1 wich was a lot of fun to use and could make the 
weirdest beats in a split second.
To bad it had a timing bug and the sound was to compressed. (so it 
had to leave)

Ronald.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> Ha! Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black  . . . :)
> 

Yessssss :-D
Takes one to know one right?

> I don't acquire any gear. I acquire great gear (and sell it if it 
isn't so great or is eclipsed)

Same taste then....

> , Notron, 

Man I would really want to play with that obscure looking thing.
Must be great fun to use (if you'll ever master it)

No Ion or Andromeda btw?
Just heard the Ion and it sounds great!
I don't want big keaboard's or a lot of gear for live so for me it's 
not a good buy, I hope the MM sounds equal as good or better.
Thinking about a small but powerfull live setup with:
MM, MD, Evolver, KP2. (so maybe rs7000 has to leave...still a great 
seq. though)

Ronald.

PS. While I'm waiting I wouldn't mind to hear some more bit's from 
the MM :)

Roonan wrote:

> I owned the ES-1 wich was a lot of fun to use and could make the
> weirdest beats in a split second.
> To bad it had a timing bug and the sound was to compressed. (so it
> had to leave)

I still have the ES-1 (at least until I get the SX). It's a great machine,
and the funny thing: I just LUV the compressed audio. I hope the
uncompressed audio in the SX is going to sound just as good...

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

Can't wait to hear if those
valves  do a good job or not.
I like the Decimator on the
ES-1, fun when use with
Motion sequence.

Simon


on 21/09/03 6:26 AM, Gert van Santen at g.vansanten@... wrote:

Roonan wrote:

> I owned the ES-1 wich was a lot of fun to use and could make the
> weirdest beats in a split second.
> To bad it had a timing bug and the sound was to compressed. (so it
> had to leave)

I still have the ES-1 (at least until I get the SX). It's a great machine,
and the funny thing: I just LUV the compressed audio. I hope the
uncompressed audio in the SX is going to sound just as good...

Gert
www.waveworld.tv



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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen" 
<g.vansanten@c...> wrote:

> > I hear that... But man. The machine drum and the Indigo2 are 
made for
> > each other. Right Gert?
> 
> So true! Connected by MIDI-clock they rock:-))
> 
> Gert
> www.waveworld.tv

How do you have this setup? What are you doing with them? I have a 
Virus b and MD but have not worked them together and would 
appreciate some advice on this. 

Thanks!

Sayer

Sayer wrote:

>> So true! Connected by MIDI-clock they rock:-))
>>
>> Gert
>> www.waveworld.tv
>
> How do you have this setup? What are you doing with them? I have a
> Virus b and MD but have not worked them together and would
> appreciate some advice on this.

We had them connected by MIDIclock with a Korg Electribe as Master.

This was all done by M@ Picone, but I suppose it should be easy to set-up
the MD as a MIDIclock master, and the Indigo as a slave (check the MIDI
menu's). Then connect them via MIDI and play a drumloop. Next, choose a
Virus patch with an arpeggiator, put the arp on hold and play *anything* -
should be completely in sync. Coolness!!

:-))

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

> 
> > > I hear that... But man. The machine drum and the Indigo2 are
> made for
> > > each other. Right Gert?
> > 
> > So true! Connected by MIDI-clock they rock:-))
> > 
> > Gert
> > www.waveworld.tv
> 
> How do you have this setup? What are you doing with them? I 
> have a Virus b and MD but have not worked them together and 
> would appreciate some advice on this. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sayer
> 

I do this all the time with my MD and Virus C, Just set MD to send Midiclock
and virus on Auto clock or clock receive. I then use Midimachines on the MD
on M1-M4 on channels 1-4. Setup up a Multi on the Virus to receive on Midi
channels 1-4 and sequence away on the MD. You can do some great stuff like
this.

Don

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 12:31:01PM -0500, Don Gothard wrote:
>    I  do  this  all  the time with my MD and Virus C, Just set MD to send
>    Midiclock
>    and  virus  on Auto clock or clock receive. I then use Midimachines on
>    the MD
>    on  M1-M4 on channels 1-4. Setup up a Multi on the Virus to receive on
>    Midi
>    channels  1-4 and sequence away on the MD. You can do some great stuff
>    like
>    this.

agreed. I do the same thing with my Nord. the only limitation (which
I'll find out soon if the MM overcomes) is that it's only monophonic
sequencing. this is *usually* fine for me; but not always.

also, my Nord (2X) can't clock its arpeggiator to MIDI clock (only the
restarts can be clocked) :-(  so it's kind of different than the
Viruses in that regard (and others).

Joe

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Roonan wrote:

> Electribe MX-1.
> I'm sure you know it, don't you?
> I think the new MX and SX are going to be very tasty Live gear.
> I owned the ES-1 wich was a lot of fun to use and could make the
> weirdest beats in a split second.
> To bad it had a timing bug and the sound was to compressed. (so it
> had to leave)

What was the timing bug? Was this a known issue to korg tech support? I
haven't heard of this before, so I'd like to know in case I ever run
across the same problem.

-Brandon

___________________________________________

The availability of a particular patchcord
is inversely proportional to it's need.
___________________________________________

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Daniel <bdu@f...> 
wrote:
> What was the timing bug? Was this a known issue to korg tech 
support? I
> haven't heard of this before, so I'd like to know in case I ever 
run
> across the same problem.

The ES-1 is about 15 ms late when synced as slave.
This bug seems to exist in all OS's.
Korg made a few versions but none of them solve the problem. (maybe 
hardware?)
Korg never listened to any of the requests so don't expect a fix.
As master everything is o.k. though.

Ronald.

Roonan wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Daniel <bdu@f...>
> wrote:
>> What was the timing bug? Was this a known issue to korg tech
> support? I
>> haven't heard of this before, so I'd like to know in case I ever
> run
>> across the same problem.
>
> The ES-1 is about 15 ms late when synced as slave.
> This bug seems to exist in all OS's.
> Korg made a few versions but none of them solve the problem. (maybe
> hardware?)
> Korg never listened to any of the requests so don't expect a fix.
> As master everything is o.k. though.

Interesting. I never knew that. I always sample my ES loops in Spark / Logic
Audio and cut them clean, so I guess that's why...

:-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> Everything else is listed in Loot:
> 
> MC505, FIZMO, E-mu Proteus MPS, Roland A70, Kawai K5000 (w/extra 
ram), Waldorf uQkeyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Yamaha A5000, Akai AX80 (my 
first synth), Yamaha DX100, Roland JP-8080

You're selling your Fizmo? Are you nuts?!

after checking these sounds, they don't seem like anything that can't 
be done with VSTs? is there anything that the monomachine can do 
which is so significantly different than VSTs and other synthesizers? 
I really hope there's something more in it !:) don't want to be very 
upset when i get my MM:(

-ryan



--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:00:51PM -0000, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
> >    It sounds REALLY good so far. Nice filters.
> >    I made a short 1.5meg mp3 of a little ditty, but there is no 
room
> >    left in the files section. Perhaps some people who have things 
there

> >    for a long time can go in and take them out to make space . .
> >    Ravi
> 
> I posted this here: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~jmelnyk/songs/ravi.mp3
> 
> Thanks Ravi; it sounds great! :-)
> 
> Joe.

fizmo's a pretty gosh darn horrible of a synth:) 


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Col Dee" <coldee@m...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
> <noision1@h...> wrote:
> > Everything else is listed in Loot:
> > 
> > MC505, FIZMO, E-mu Proteus MPS, Roland A70, Kawai K5000 (w/extra 
> ram), Waldorf uQkeyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Yamaha A5000, Akai AX80 
(my 

> first synth), Yamaha DX100, Roland JP-8080
> 
> You're selling your Fizmo? Are you nuts?!

> after checking these sounds, they don't seem like anything that can't
> be done with VSTs? is there anything that the monomachine can do
> which is so significantly different than VSTs and other synthesizers?
> I really hope there's something more in it !:) don't want to be very
> upset when i get my MM:(

Consider also HOW you can get those sounds :-)
Not many VSTs have the MonoM user interface and sequencer.

I like this little demo a lot.
But I won't be with Monomachine for some time.

Hmm, well just about everything involving (strictly) DSP\ufffds can be made in
VST\ufffds aswell. Its a matter of programming. But I have not yet encountered a
VST instrument that sounds *exactly* like it\ufffds hardware equivalent so the
topic becomes quite irrelevant. The BIG difference here is the monomachine
is a HARDWARE box and that counts for IMO a much higher quality sound and
that is important for many of us. Then you have the user interface... and
the Elektron logo :) last one meaning quality all over the place.

d

> after checking these sounds, they don't seem like anything that can't
> be done with VSTs? is there anything that the monomachine can do
> which is so significantly different than VSTs and other synthesizers?
> I really hope there's something more in it !:) don't want to be very
> upset when i get my MM:(
>
> -ryan
>

well this is true.  but a well programed VST can sound better than 
the hardware as well.

I'm simply wondering what this synth can do that's different than 
other synths.  a 6 voice synth for 1900 is very high priced.  so it 
ought to do something spectacular. 

i'm curious to why epople are such elektron freaks?:o

i'm wondering if it'll do something amazing? i'm used to very high 
quality synths, not electribes and rs7000s, and mc505s...

i'm not really going t obe using hte monomachine with the sequencer, 
just want to use it for the sounds.  

I'm just wondering what's so much better about this than others? (in 
terms of creating wild sounds...:)

oh yea...sorry about all the I'ms!:-)...

somone with a monomachine please make me some nutty sounds!:D  right 
now i have a bad feeling about the monomachine but please change my 
mind!!:o


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "D.E" <erase@a...> wrote:
> Hmm, well just about everything involving (strictly) DSP´s can be 
made in
> VST´s aswell. Its a matter of programming. But I have not yet 
encountered a
> VST instrument that sounds *exactly* like it´s hardware equivalent 
so the
> topic becomes quite irrelevant. The BIG difference here is the 
monomachine
> is a HARDWARE box and that counts for IMO a much higher quality 
sound and
> that is important for many of us. Then you have the user 
interface... and
> the Elektron logo :) last one meaning quality all over the place.
> 
> d
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > after checking these sounds, they don't seem like anything that 
can't
> > be done with VSTs? is there anything that the monomachine can do
> > which is so significantly different than VSTs and other 
synthesizers?
> > I really hope there's something more in it !:) don't want to be 
very

> > upset when i get my MM:(
> >
> > -ryan
> >

> I'm simply wondering what this synth can do that's different than
> other synths.  a 6 voice synth for 1900 is very high priced.  so it
> ought to do something spectacular.
>
> i'm curious to why epople are such elektron freaks?:o
>
> i'm wondering if it'll do something amazing? i'm used to very high
> quality synths, not electribes and rs7000s, and mc505s...
>
> i'm not really going t obe using hte monomachine with the sequencer,
> just want to use it for the sounds.


Just a question: do you own any other Elektron product?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
 <noision1@h...> wrote:
> Everything else is listed in Loot:

> MC505, FIZMO, E-mu Proteus MPS, Roland A70, Kawai K5000 (w/extra
> ram), Waldorf uQkeyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Yamaha A5000, Akai AX80
> (my first synth), Yamaha DX100, Roland JP-8080

 --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Col Dee" <coldee@m...> wrote:
 
> You're selling your Fizmo? Are you nuts?!

le 21/09/2003 23:15, hal3001 à hal3001@... a écrit :

> fizmo's a pretty gosh darn horrible of a synth:)

Someone selling FIZMO and K5000Š damnŠ

these are cuties!

Denis U]

================================================
lepetitmartien           M.I.C.                http://www.macmusic.org

I owned a sid station, i found it kinda cool.  but the sound it had 
was too niche.  i couldn't use it for many musical styles.  so i  
sold it.  and the noise on the output was a problem.  the monomachine 
seems more versatile though?  sid was an easier "lets pick it up and 
check out if it's cool" thing cuz they were $350-400 at the time on 
the used market.  i did find that many monophonic analog synths can 
replicate it's sound, minus it's bending pitch sound...which is such 
a great sound...

I was thinking about machine drum. but i was worried about a niche 
sound.  that and i hadn't heard a sound on it I really thought was 
far out, and worth the price.  As well as my friend owned one and 
said it was more abou tthe sequencer than the sounds.  this is what 
worries me about monomachine!

the monomachine seems like something a little different, a way to 
create some vastly psychedelic sounds that other machines aren't 
capable of.   i'm reallly interested in the formant synthesis 
aspect.   but i hope it's not all IDM BS that can be accomplished on 
an emax with creative sample looping?  

there's a lot of elektron fans...so there must be osmething to it.  
and i hope it's not limited gear experience, or obsession with niche 
sounds?:O

-ryan



--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Federico Ciapi 
<federico.ciapi@t...> wrote:
> > I'm simply wondering what this synth can do that's different than
> > other synths.  a 6 voice synth for 1900 is very high priced.  so 
it
> > ought to do something spectacular.
> >
> > i'm curious to why epople are such elektron freaks?:o
> >
> > i'm wondering if it'll do something amazing? i'm used to very high
> > quality synths, not electribes and rs7000s, and mc505s...
> >
> > i'm not really going t obe using hte monomachine with the 
sequencer,

> > just want to use it for the sounds.
> 
> 
> Just a question: do you own any other Elektron product?

hal3001 wrote:
> after checking these sounds, they don't seem like anything that can't
> be done with VSTs? is there anything that the monomachine can do
> which is so significantly different than VSTs and other synthesizers?
> I really hope there's something more in it !:) don't want to be very
> upset when i get my MM:(

I'm betting on a very cool sequencer (I didn't buy one; just interested).

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:35:28PM -0000, hal3001 wrote:
>    well this is true.  but a well programed VST can sound better than
>    the hardware as well.

but the controls are more than likely not as immediate as the Elektron
ones. the MD, for example, is an incredibly live box; and the MM is
toted as such as well (mine hasn't arrived yet, so I can't say).

>    I'm simply wondering what this synth can do that's different than
>    other synths.  a 6 voice synth for 1900 is very high priced.  so it
>    ought to do something spectacular.

it's not six voices, it's six *tracks* in the sequencer. the press
releases say 24-voice polyphony, but some of the more-recent Elektron
stuff has implied 36 (they said something along the lines of "...have 36
massive oscillators at your command.").

there's also 18 LFO's, 6 delay engines and 24 dedicated track effects
that all help to increase its worth.

>    i'm curious to why epople are such elektron freaks?:o

because their machines are unique and the interface is incredible. for
example, just based on the info Elektron released on the MM, you can't
really compare it to any other synth out there. you would have to
combine at least two machines (or pieces of software) to make a
valid comparison. not many other manufacturers make such unique
products. for example, comparing a Nord to an Access, an Ion or a Nova
are all valid; Elektron's products are not like this so far.

anyway, this is why I'm excited about Elektron stuff (not to mention the
wonderful sounds themselves, of course).

Joe

ok 1900 right?

lets compare:

dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
FS1r $400 (formant + fm)

all with fx.  I'm trying to figure out what's so radically 
different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting strange 
information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems coool... b

to me it's not about how much shit they can shove in... but about 
making unique sounds.  I'm not looking for a comparison.  for 
example, you can't compare a prophet vs and a jupiter 8, they're 
polyphonic, but both 2 different forms of synthesis. but you can say 
they both make unique sounds.  that neither of them can create.
i hope that it can...

after the way you described it i think i just pissed maself:o  seems 
great.  heheh :) 

i want more than a sequencer toh!:o i want bizzaro sounds BIZZAROOO!:O

-ryan


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:35:28PM -0000, hal3001 wrote:
> >    well this is true.  but a well programed VST can sound better 
than
> >    the hardware as well.
> 
> but the controls are more than likely not as immediate as the 
Elektron
> ones. the MD, for example, is an incredibly live box; and the MM is
> toted as such as well (mine hasn't arrived yet, so I can't say).
> 
> >    I'm simply wondering what this synth can do that's different 
than
> >    other synths.  a 6 voice synth for 1900 is very high priced.  
so it
> >    ought to do something spectacular.
> 
> it's not six voices, it's six *tracks* in the sequencer. the press
> releases say 24-voice polyphony, but some of the more-recent 
Elektron
> stuff has implied 36 (they said something along the lines 
of "...have 36
> massive oscillators at your command.").
> 
> there's also 18 LFO's, 6 delay engines and 24 dedicated track 
effects
> that all help to increase its worth.
> 
> >    i'm curious to why epople are such elektron freaks?:o
> 
> because their machines are unique and the interface is incredible. 
for
> example, just based on the info Elektron released on the MM, you 
can't
> really compare it to any other synth out there. you would have to
> combine at least two machines (or pieces of software) to make a
> valid comparison. not many other manufacturers make such unique
> products. for example, comparing a Nord to an Access, an Ion or a 
Nova
> are all valid; Elektron's products are not like this so far.
> 
> anyway, this is why I'm excited about Elektron stuff (not to 
mention the

> wonderful sounds themselves, of course).
> 
> Joe

i didn't buy one:P i bought a MM instead of those:P i'm just trying 
tom ake myself feel good about purchase before it arives!:o


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> 
wrote:

> > ion $725
> 
> You got ripped off dude.
> 
> -m@

> ion $725

You got ripped off dude.

-m@

I like to think of my purchase of the MM as an extremely fortunate 
opportunity to
delve into the sonic architecture of a synthesizer that has never 
appeared on this planet
before .... it is truly unique in its design and implementation and is 
built upon the reputation
of a small enterprising company that has sold 100 machines ( without 
presets and a completed
o.s. ) in less than 24 hours ....they must be doing something right !

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:49:10PM -0000, hal3001 wrote:
>    ok 1900 right?
>    lets compare:
>    dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
>    ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
>    FS1r $400 (formant + fm)
>    all with fx.

well, they all have their good and bad points as well. but you don't
know until you've spent some time with them. for example, I would say
that $1100 is too much for a drum machine; but having played the MD and
fallen in love with its sound and interface, I think $1100 is a hell of
a bargain.

>    I'm trying to figure out what's so radically
>    different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting strange
>    information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems coool... b
>    to me it's not about how much shit they can shove in... but about
>    making unique sounds.

absolutely.

>    I'm not looking for a comparison.

I know you're not. you asked why people love Elektron stuff so much and
I was giving my reason: because their stuff is unique, sounds great, has
a great interface and can't really be compared to anything else.

>    after the way you described it i think i just pissed maself:o  seems
>    great.  heheh :)

well, hopefully you have cleaner results once you're playing it :-)

>    i want more than a sequencer toh!:o i want bizzaro sounds BIZZAROOO!:O

exactly! which is why I'm excited about the MM. I wanted the MD because
I wanted highly customizable percussion sounds. the depth of sounds it
can create is outrageous. and I'm excited about the MM for the exact
same reason.

BUT I should note that in my opinion the MD would still sound
great using an external sequencer, but the internal sequencer and interface
is what really breathes life into it (soundwise). if the MM is the
same way, I'm not sure how you'll feel given what you've previously
stated regarding the MD/MM and sequencers.

Joe

right now what i'd like to hear form the MM from those who own one is 
the MM doing a pad with the formant synthesis!:)


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:49:10PM -0000, hal3001 wrote:
> >    ok 1900 right?
> >    lets compare:
> >    dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
> >    ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
> >    FS1r $400 (formant + fm)
> >    all with fx.
> 
> well, they all have their good and bad points as well. but you don't
> know until you've spent some time with them. for example, I would 
say
> that $1100 is too much for a drum machine; but having played the MD 
and
> fallen in love with its sound and interface, I think $1100 is a 
hell of
> a bargain.
> 
> >    I'm trying to figure out what's so radically
> >    different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting 
strange
> >    information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems 
coool... b
> >    to me it's not about how much shit they can shove in... but 
about
> >    making unique sounds.
> 
> absolutely.
> 
> >    I'm not looking for a comparison.
> 
> I know you're not. you asked why people love Elektron stuff so much 
and
> I was giving my reason: because their stuff is unique, sounds 
great, has
> a great interface and can't really be compared to anything else.
> 
> >    after the way you described it i think i just pissed maself:o  
seems
> >    great.  heheh :)
> 
> well, hopefully you have cleaner results once you're playing it :-)
> 
> >    i want more than a sequencer toh!:o i want bizzaro sounds 
BIZZAROOO!:O
> 
> exactly! which is why I'm excited about the MM. I wanted the MD 
because
> I wanted highly customizable percussion sounds. the depth of sounds 
it
> can create is outrageous. and I'm excited about the MM for the exact
> same reason.
> 
> BUT I should note that in my opinion the MD would still sound
> great using an external sequencer, but the internal sequencer and 
interface

> is what really breathes life into it (soundwise). if the MM is the
> same way, I'm not sure how you'll feel given what you've previously
> stated regarding the MD/MM and sequencers.
> 
> Joe

le 21/09/2003 23:50, hal3001 à hal3001@... a écrit :

> fizmo cute like la gear shoes...

Forget the style, enjoy the synth.
Most of the better comfortwise shoes are ugly like hell.

This said Fizmo is SO 80's ;)))

Denis U]

================================================
lepetitmartien           M.I.C.                http://www.macmusic.org

it has like 1 sound...h aven't heard make more than that one 
sound...and it sounds like it looks imho!:O

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "I've got a LASER, Earthman!" 
<lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> le 21/09/2003 23:50, hal3001 à hal3001@y... a écrit :
> 
> > fizmo cute like la gear shoes...
> 
> Forget the style, enjoy the synth.
> Most of the better comfortwise shoes are ugly like hell.
> 
> This said Fizmo is SO 80's ;)))
> 
> Denis U]
> 
> ================================================
> lepetitmartien           M.I.C.                
http://www.macmusic.org

On Sun Sep 21 2003, hal3001 <hal3001@...> wrote:

> ok 1900 right?
> 
> lets compare:
> 
> dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
> ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
> FS1r $400 (formant + fm)
> 
> all with fx.  I'm trying to figure out what's so radically 
> different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting strange 
> information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems coool... b

One thing that is different is that Elektron is a small company
compared to many of the big synthesizer making companies. More
comparable to Dave Smith than Yamaha. Their products does not sell in
the same amounts as the products from the bigger companies.

Niche products.

/Janne

Hi,

This is the way I justify the price of Monomachine:

1. I've never used any other music gear that is so inspiring to work 
with and so easy than Machinedrum. With MD I really feel that I get 
to do more creative choices than for example computer+mouse. I feel 
like i'm exploring the musical dimension, rather than software 
abilities. Yeah, I've tried reaktor (and granular-, fm- additive 
and 'blahblah'-synthesis, vstis and many other stuff like that. But 
in the end is it my MUSIC that I enjoy the most. The Cubase SX-seq 
just isn't fun for me, I love the step seq (and I've tried the fruity 
loops also, I don't like mousing). So it's the user-interface that 
counts.

2. The sequencer makes the Monomachine unique. As people are always 
searching for new sounds, I believe that any modern synth holds so 
many possiablities that I could never run out of them. Take some 
nord, virus, anything, if you can't make something unique with these 
tools, you can't blame the tools (maybe you can blame your work 
methods, for example mousing really isn't very interconnected to 
musical expressions and feelings). I believe it's (unique sounds) 
more in what notes you put after another than a 'all new resynthesis-
granular-phase-distortion-super-technology'. If you want to find 
something from monomachine that isn't in another synths, without a 
doubt, it's the sequencer, with parameter locks and trig tracks. With 
only parameter locks in MD you could do some very expressive beat 
programming. I'll bet it's the same thing with Mono.

Well, that's just my opinion and experiences. Everybody should search 
for their own working methods. Working methods that don't need to 
change after every new annoucement. This way we can consetrate on 
music. As F. Zappa says: 'Music is THE BEST'

Toni.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:
> On Sun Sep 21 2003, hal3001 <hal3001@y...> wrote:
> 
> > ok 1900 right?
> > 
> > lets compare:
> > 
> > dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
> > ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
> > FS1r $400 (formant + fm)
> > 
> > all with fx.  I'm trying to figure out what's so radically 
> > different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting 
strange 
> > information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems 
coool... b
> 
> One thing that is different is that Elektron is a small company
> compared to many of the big synthesizer making companies. More
> comparable to Dave Smith than Yamaha. Their products does not sell 
in

> the same amounts as the products from the bigger companies.
> 
> Niche products.
> 
> /Janne

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This is the way I justify the price of Monomachine:
> 
> 1. I've never used any other music gear that is so inspiring to 
work 
> with and so easy than Machinedrum..............
> 
> 2. The sequencer makes the Monomachine unique...........
>
> Toni.
> 

I totally agree with your statement Toni.
When you use the MD or MM just as sound source youre missing their 
unique raw power and I can imagine you won't see their true value or 
uniqueness.

Ronald.

PS. nice to see more and more people are moving to hardware again, 
maybe also due to overkill in softwareland?

> it has like 1 sound...h aven't heard make more than that one 
> sound...and it sounds like it looks imho!:O

The Fizmo's sonic range is staggering - 1 sound, more like 1 million

Seriously, it's an amazing synth!! And the so-called digital "cold" 
issue can be simply solved using a valve preamp

Yes.. I want one !

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Col Dee" <coldee@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [elektron] [OT] So how does the MM sound/work? Anyone?


> > it has like 1 sound...h aven't heard make more than that one
> > sound...and it sounds like it looks imho!:O
>
> The Fizmo's sonic range is staggering - 1 sound, more like 1 million
>
> Seriously, it's an amazing synth!! And the so-called digital "cold"
> issue can be simply solved using a valve preamp
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

I own a FIZMO Rack and, while I do love the sounds (it's true, nothing 
sounds like it), the synth has worn thin on me.

It's impossible to really push a FIZMO to it's limits using just the 
knobs on the front panel.  Sound Diver *necessary* to get everything 
one can out of the synth.  I don't like that so much.

Also, while it is completely unique, it's range within the 'unique' 
playing field is nowhere near as broad as other 'unique' synths.

I've considered selling it many times, as the clumsy interface and 6lb 
editor-dongle (my powerbook w/ sounddiver) sort of force it to get 
special treatment in my studio.  Some gear is worth special 
treatment... but, to me, I think in the end the FIZMO will not.

Special treatment is reserved for the synths I can't live w/o.  My 
patchable analog synth, for example, can't store patches, so it has a 3 
ring binder next to it with patch sheets, but man I couldn't live 
without the thing...

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 07:44 AM, Col Dee wrote:

> > it has like 1 sound...h aven't heard make more than that one
> > sound...and it sounds like it looks imho!:O
>
> The Fizmo's sonic range is staggering - 1 sound, more like 1 million
>
> Seriously, it's an amazing synth!! And the so-called digital "cold"
> issue can be simply solved using a valve preamp
>
>
<image.tiff>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I understand this.  but to you does this make a better product? i'd 
rather support a smaller company that cares more, but it's not gunna 
make me think X synth is better than Y synth...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:
> On Sun Sep 21 2003, hal3001 <hal3001@y...> wrote:
> 
> > ok 1900 right?
> > 
> > lets compare:
> > 
> > dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
> > ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
> > FS1r $400 (formant + fm)
> > 
> > all with fx.  I'm trying to figure out what's so radically 
> > different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting 
strange 
> > information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems 
coool... b
> 
> One thing that is different is that Elektron is a small company
> compared to many of the big synthesizer making companies. More
> comparable to Dave Smith than Yamaha. Their products does not sell 
in

> the same amounts as the products from the bigger companies.
> 
> Niche products.
> 
> /Janne

please show examples of it's multifacetness u so talk about :)  I 
didn't find much varying tonality in the fizmo.  but i could be 
proved wrong. :)


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Col Dee" <coldee@m...> wrote:

> > it has like 1 sound...h aven't heard make more than that one 
> > sound...and it sounds like it looks imho!:O
> 
> The Fizmo's sonic range is staggering - 1 sound, more like 1 million
> 
> Seriously, it's an amazing synth!! And the so-called digital "cold" 
> issue can be simply solved using a valve preamp

so..... a little offtopic.... but i only have a Sid from elektron and want 
to get the MD...

how do parameter locks and trig tracks work?

right now i use the em1 as a source for drum sounds thru then Sonar 
soft-sequ.

-0behn desu0-
djbokuno.com

----Original Message Follows----

From: "tahvenaine2002" <tahvenaine@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] So how does the MM sound/work? Anyone?
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:00:57 -0000

Hi,

This is the way I justify the price of Monomachine:

1. I've never used any other music gear that is so inspiring to work
with and so easy than Machinedrum. With MD I really feel that I get
to do more creative choices than for example computer+mouse. I feel
like i'm exploring the musical dimension, rather than software
abilities. Yeah, I've tried reaktor (and granular-, fm- additive
and 'blahblah'-synthesis, vstis and many other stuff like that. But
in the end is it my MUSIC that I enjoy the most. The Cubase SX-seq
just isn't fun for me, I love the step seq (and I've tried the fruity
loops also, I don't like mousing). So it's the user-interface that
counts.

2. The sequencer makes the Monomachine unique. As people are always
searching for new sounds, I believe that any modern synth holds so
many possiablities that I could never run out of them. Take some
nord, virus, anything, if you can't make something unique with these
tools, you can't blame the tools (maybe you can blame your work
methods, for example mousing really isn't very interconnected to
musical expressions and feelings). I believe it's (unique sounds)
more in what notes you put after another than a 'all new resynthesis-
granular-phase-distortion-super-technology'. If you want to find
something from monomachine that isn't in another synths, without a
doubt, it's the sequencer, with parameter locks and trig tracks. With
only parameter locks in MD you could do some very expressive beat
programming. I'll bet it's the same thing with Mono.

Well, that's just my opinion and experiences. Everybody should search
for their own working methods. Working methods that don't need to
change after every new annoucement. This way we can consetrate on
music. As F. Zappa says: 'Music is THE BEST'

Toni.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg"
<d3berg@d...> wrote:
 > On Sun Sep 21 2003, hal3001 <hal3001@y...> wrote:
 >
 > > ok 1900 right?
 > >
 > > lets compare:
 > >
 > > dave smith evolver $475 (superwave?)
 > > ion $725 (the VA part of the ion)
 > > FS1r $400 (formant + fm)
 > >
 > > all with fx.  I'm trying to figure out what's so radically
 > > different.  I didn't know it was 24 voices? i keep getting
strange
 > > information not sure if it's 24 bit.  the other stuff seems
coool... b
 >
 > One thing that is different is that Elektron is a small company
 > compared to many of the big synthesizer making companies. More
 > comparable to Dave Smith than Yamaha. Their products does not sell
in
 > the same amounts as the products from the bigger companies.
 >
 > Niche products.
 >
 > /Janne

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> > Seriously, it's an amazing synth!! And the so-called 
digital "cold" issue can be simply solved using a valve preamp