Elektron Musical Instruments

> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:14:08PM +0100, Michael Tucek wrote:
> >    i simply want to load the pattern of just 1 track from another
> >    patternset...: for live-performance..
> >    :::
> >    if  i'm playing patternset e01 i want to load pattern for 
track 2 from e04..
> >    ok?
> >    this is'nt implemented yet, I think...
>
> and probably won't be (it isn't in the MD, at least). you can't do 
>that kind of pattern copying on-the-fly. you can, however, cut-and-> 
paste the tracks as Roonan suggested (although that's not very live, 
> is it?).
>
> Joe

i know, but it even would not be a copy ->
it would be just a kind of selective pattern loading ->
when you load a pattern it is loaded into ram ->
so why not just loading a "one track part of a pattern" into the ram
-> it would be a pattern mix, but the loaded pattern has not got
anything todo with the saved patterns.. (from a memory technical
perspective) ->

i'm a programmer too and i think that for this feature it shouldn't 
need many changes in the code (but of course i don't know the code
:).. the problem would be the visualisation of this pattern mix (for 
me a simple star beside the active pattern indicator would be 
enough) -> 
this feature would give the mm a lot better live capability!

cut and paste would create redundant pattern information (for 
instance if the beat doesn't change) -> and the cut and paste methode 
is not flexible at all..

I know daniel said no more features untill MMOS1.0, but it think this 
would be a kind of killer feature for more *real* live performances!
I also know daniel always says -> keep it simple -> this is simple and
nobody who isn't missing this feature would be influenced...

what about all the other beta testers? wouldn't this be cool?
what do you say daniel?

-michael

Hi guys...while we're on the killer feature tip...

My ideal " killer " feature for the monomachine  ( and the machinedrum )
would be a " User Page " . On this page you can assign any of the
controllers from any of the machines to a single page . For instance if I
wanted I could have the decay from the amp envelope 6581 , the cutoff from
supersaw , delay parameter from voc etc etc assignable to the knobs on my
user page . This would also be an excellent advantage for live performances
. The user page would be stored with the kit . You could assign a controller
by <function> plus parameter ( or some other combo ) sequentially on to the
page for a total of eight custom controllers on your own page..
For the machinedrum it could be the decay of the kick , the pitch of the
hihat , the distortion of the tom , external midi controller 15 et al .

I don't think it would be too difficult to implement either ...

What's your opinion on this ?

marc 

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "michael_tucek" 
<michael.tucek@v...> wrote:

> what about all the other beta testers? wouldn't this be cool?

Yes!

On Tue Dec 02 2003, marc s. davidson <psi@...> wrote:
> Hi guys...while we're on the killer feature tip...
> 
> My ideal " killer " feature for the monomachine  ( and the machinedrum )
> would be a " User Page " . On this page you can assign any of the
> controllers from any of the machines to a single page .

Has been om my wishlist for Machinedrum since day one, I think I wrote to 
this mailinglist about it two years ago. Totally agree with you that it 
would be a killer, both on Machinedrum and Monomachine.

/Janne

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "michael_tucek" 
<michael.tucek@v...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:14:08PM +0100, Michael Tucek wrote:
> > >    i simply want to load the pattern of just 1 track from 
another
> > >    patternset...: for live-performance..
> > >    :::
> > >    if  i'm playing patternset e01 i want to load pattern for 
> track 2 from e04..
> > >    ok?
> > >    this is'nt implemented yet, I think...
> >
> > and probably won't be (it isn't in the MD, at least). you can't 
do 
> >that kind of pattern copying on-the-fly. you can, however, cut-
and-> 
> paste the tracks as Roonan suggested (although that's not very 
live, 
> > is it?).
> 
> i know, but it even would not be a copy ->
> it would be just a kind of selective pattern loading ->

This would change the whole concept of the Monomachine. You would 
not be sure which pattern was playing, and there would be confusion 
to what length the pattern would be, either one pattern could be 
truncated or longer. I think we want to keep the simplicity in that 
a pattern is a pattern and is all that will be played at one time.

We took an early design decision on this almost when we started the 
project, and found too many complications for it being worth it.

Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "marc s. davidson" <psi@p...> 
wrote:
> Hi guys...while we're on the killer feature tip...
> 
> My ideal " killer " feature for the monomachine  ( and the 
machinedrum )
> would be a " User Page " . On this page you can assign any of the
> controllers from any of the machines to a single page .

The problem of this is how to design the interface so it wouldn't be 
too much work setting it up. If it was a global thing which you just 
set up once, then it would be ok. But the nature of this is that it 
should be available on a kit basis. And it would be very time 
consuming to set this up for all kits you create. And then you'd 
loose a bit of the benefit of having a setup where you know where 
all the encoders are routed, because it could change when you change 
pattern.

I wouldn't rule this out in the future, but I don't see a perfect 
way of implementing it at this moment.

Daniel

BUT: isn't possible to copy & paste a pattern to an empty pattern 
WITHOUT stopping music? It would be nice for live improvisation.
I believe, it could be realized in the current concept, or not?

Nik



> This would change the whole concept of the Monomachine. You would 
> not be sure which pattern was playing, and there would be 
confusion 
> to what length the pattern would be, either one pattern could be 
> truncated or longer. I think we want to keep the simplicity in 
that 
> a pattern is a pattern and is all that will be played at one time.
> 
> We took an early design decision on this almost when we started 
the 

> project, and found too many complications for it being worth it.
> 
> Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "kernzone" <s070666@s...> 
wrote:
> BUT: isn't possible to copy & paste a pattern to an empty pattern 
> WITHOUT stopping music? It would be nice for live improvisation.
> I believe, it could be realized in the current concept, or not?

If you're fast enough it's no problem and possible already.
You'll have to press paste on the first note when changing to an 
empty pattern. 

Also (if you didn't know) you can experiment with scale lenghts in 
realtime. Start with only 1 measure (16/16) or even shorter (8/16 for 
half a measure) and when progressing the song you can change the 
lenght in realtime revealing more changes in melody or motion.

And of course don't forget the arp. You can program a melody with 
some short notes and while playing switch on the arp and press and 
hold some other notes, the results can be very good! Also try 
different step values for the arp to create moving timings.

Ronald.

> If you're fast enough it's no problem and possible already.
> You'll have to press paste on the first note when changing to an 
> empty pattern. 


Live on stage this method is a little bit to dangerous - if you 
press paste too fast ;-)
Experiments with various scale lengths & arp - yes of course, but I 
wish to store edited patterns in a live session to recapitulate they 
in the next studio session (for example).

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "kernzone" <s070666@s...> 
wrote:
> BUT: isn't possible to copy & paste a pattern to an empty pattern 
> WITHOUT stopping music? It would be nice for live improvisation.
> I believe, it could be realized in the current concept, or not?

But I don't see how to implement a good UI for this. Paste is now 
performed as you let go of the paste-button. We could make some kind 
of scroll-list with all patterns that you could optionally access on 
paste, but it would be dead boring if you need to go from A01 to H16 
while you keep the paste button pressed.

If you are not using only the MD/Mono in the live situation you 
could also use another machine to bridge the gap while you are 
changing and pasting. But I guess that wasn't what you wanted. :)

Daniel

>>We could make some kind of scroll-list with all patterns that you 
could optionally access on paste...<<

yes, good idea!!!

>>...but it would be dead boring if you need to go from A01 to H16 
while you keep the paste button pressed.<<

I think, a scroll-list for each bank is enough.
For me...


Thanks a lot!
Nik

Hi

My MD functionning 
without problems until now has the following problem:
at the beginning of the session he reboots five to ten times with irregular 
intervals and a screen slightly blinking.
Factory reset does not change the problem.
Service case?

Georg