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Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by gregorio472001

Hi , i'm new, Wus up ! ....
4 questions !!! 

1.I was wondering if there is any  good reviews of the monomachine 
yet, i seen videos from namm and heard soundclips , they are all 
awsome !!! i was going to buy the machinedrum a while back but i 
din't have the funds , now i have enough to buy the two 
(machinedrum , and monomachine)But i just need a review before buying 
the MnM .

2.Second question! how does the Sid Machine on the MnM compare to the 
sidstation ??!!! ??!  does it still produce Atari 8-bit video game 
sounds ? .. 

3.numero tres! , Is the MnM a good synthersizer (i know is a good 
sequencer!)does it compare to a nord lead or any other synths on the 
market ,by compare i mean : can you tweek sounds and synths! hands 
on  changing wave shapes , filtering , noise, etc .Because to me they 
are marketing the Monomachine as an effects sequencer not a synth !

4. Final question  , how well does the MnM sit with other sounds , 
such as guitars , real drums , middle eastern strings , etc . What  
have you guys try producing  with the MnM? IDM , Electro, DownBeats , 
Chill music , Funk ???? What genre is it good for ??!!!

---------OK thank you (i know is a bunch of stupid questions) -------

go here if you re feeling revelious :) :) :) Bushin30seconds.org

Peace !

Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by Andy Tarpinian

What video from namm??!!
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> From: gregorio472001 <gregorio472001@...>
> 
> Hi , i'm new, Wus up ! ....
> 4 questions !!! 
> 
> 1.I was wondering if there is any  good reviews of the monomachine
> yet, i seen videos from namm and heard soundclips , they are all
> awsome !!! i was going to buy the machinedrum a while back but i
> din't have the funds , now i have enough to buy the two
> (machinedrum , and monomachine)But i just need a review before buying
> the MnM .
> 
> 2.Second question! how does the Sid Machine on the MnM compare to the
> sidstation ??!!! ??!  does it still produce Atari 8-bit video game
> sounds ? .. 
> 
> 3.numero tres! , Is the MnM a good synthersizer (i know is a good
> sequencer!)does it compare to a nord lead or any other synths on the
> market ,by compare i mean : can you tweek sounds and synths! hands
> on  changing wave shapes , filtering , noise, etc .Because to me they
> are marketing the Monomachine as an effects sequencer not a synth !
> 
> 4. Final question  , how well does the MnM sit with other sounds ,
> such as guitars , real drums , middle eastern strings , etc . What
> have you guys try producing  with the MnM? IDM , Electro, DownBeats ,
> Chill music , Funk ???? What genre is it good for ??!!!
>

Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by Andy Tarpinian

Yea I know, this is cool as sh$% to have a video demo :)
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> they actually did not have a booth at namm so they rented a hotel
> room , next to the event , and they show their products privatly ! :)
> 
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RE: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by Roger Scott

What do you need to play these AVI files on a Windows box?

Thanks.

 - Roger
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> What video from namm??!!
> 

heee here you go , found it in a forum ( harmonycentral.com)
http://apu.danger-mouse.com/monomachine/


 

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Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by Andy Tarpinian

They should just work in windows media player, It even works on my mac :)
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> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:32:13 -0800
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!
> 
> What do you need to play these AVI files on a Windows box?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Roger
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gregorio472001 [mailto:gregorio472001@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:17 PM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
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> wrote:
>> What video from namm??!!
>> 
> 
> heee here you go , found it in a forum ( harmonycentral.com)
> http://apu.danger-mouse.com/monomachine/
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Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by gregorio472001

> What do you need to play these AVI files on a Windows box?
> 
Just get winamp or zoom player .!they should work fine..



ps. is anyone going to answer my inicial question :)) !!!

Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-21 by AUTO from AUTOMATIC PANIC

Where did they go? I wanna check them out! 


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...> 
wrote:
> They should just work in windows media player, It even works on my 
mac :)
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> > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:32:13 -0800
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> > Subject: RE: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!
> > 
> > What do you need to play these AVI files on a Windows box?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > - Roger
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> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gregorio472001 [mailto:gregorio472001@y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:17 PM
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> > 
> > wrote:
> >> What video from namm??!!
> >> 
> > 
> > heee here you go , found it in a forum ( harmonycentral.com)
> > http://apu.danger-mouse.com/monomachine/
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Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by Andy Tarpinian

Crap we broke it :( I knew I should have saved them.

On 1/21/04 6:01 PM, "AUTO from AUTOMATIC PANIC" <thesoundzoneinfo@...>
wrote:
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> Where did they go? I wanna check them out!
> 
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> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...>
> wrote:
>> They should just work in windows media player, It even works on my
> mac :)
>> 
>>> From: Roger Scott <rogers@c...>
>>> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:32:13 -0800
>>> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!
>>> 
>>> What do you need to play these AVI files on a Windows box?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> - Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gregorio472001 [mailto:gregorio472001@y...]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:17 PM
>>> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> What video from namm??!!
>>>> 
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>>> heee here you go , found it in a forum ( harmonycentral.com)
>>> http://apu.danger-mouse.com/monomachine/
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Re: [elektron] Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by Janne Gson Berg

On Wed Jan 21 2004, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@...> wrote:

> Crap we broke it :( I knew I should have saved them.

I've got them downloaded and zipped. 58 MB in total. Anyone with webserver 
space and bandwidth can contact me directly if you want to host it.

/Janne

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by cmp_trommelfell

> 1.I was wondering if there is any  good reviews of the monomachine 
> yet, i seen videos from namm and heard soundclips , they are all 
> awsome !!! i was going to buy the machinedrum a while back but i 
> din't have the funds , now i have enough to buy the two 
> (machinedrum , and monomachine)But i just need a review before 
buying the MnM.
In the german keyboards-magazine, there was a pre-review of the 
Monomachine. I do not know, if it is also published on the web. 

 
> 2.Second question! how does the Sid Machine on the MnM compare to 
the 
> sidstation ??!!! ??!  does it still produce Atari 8-bit video game 
> sounds ? .. 
I have them all, the MM, MD and SID and I do absolutely not think, 
that the sound of the SID-Algorhytm is comparable with the real SID. 
Beside the fact, that the SIDStation has an analogue filter there are 
also not the same possiblities (Polyphony, TableSeq, LFOs aso). The 
user-interface and the programming-workflow in the SID-Station is 
something verry unique and it is not comparable to any other 
instrument I own or I know. But of course, with the SID-Machine in 
the MM you can emulate quite good some old video-games. 
> 
> 3.numero tres! , Is the MnM a good synthersizer (i know is a good 
> sequencer!)does it compare to a nord lead or any other synths on 
the 
> market ,by compare i mean : can you tweek sounds and synths! hands 
> on  changing wave shapes , filtering , noise, etc .Because to me 
they 
> are marketing the Monomachine as an effects sequencer not a synth !
I think that the expression 'effect-sequencer' fits better to the 
possiblities of the MM. I haven't worked out up to now some PolyKits. 
I am working with it as a 6track MonoSynth Pattern-sequencing tool. 
But my impression is clear: It does not have the energy, the warmness 
and the soul of an analogue Synth. I have had NL2 and NL3 (from my 
point of view, the NL2 sounds better anyway) and I know that they 
have far more possiblities (and qualities) for sounds.... but of 
course, if you calculate the Sequencer of the MM with it, so I would 
recommend the MM anyway. Tweaking is verry fun with MM


> 4. Final question  , how well does the MnM sit with other sounds , 
> such as guitars , real drums , middle eastern strings , etc . What  
> have you guys try producing  with the MnM? IDM , Electro, 
DownBeats , 
> Chill music , Funk ???? What genre is it good for ??!!!
I've made mostly electronic body music.... And I think that for this 
genre, the MM fits verry good. 


Hope, my impressions helps
Daniel, CH
> 
> ---------OK thank you (i know is a bunch of stupid questions) ------
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> 
> Peace !

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by droolmaster0

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "cmp_trommelfell" 
<cosmosproductions@g...> wrote:


> > 3.numero tres! , Is the MnM a good synthersizer (i know is a good 
> > sequencer!)does it compare to a nord lead or any other synths on 
> the 
> > market ,by compare i mean : can you tweek sounds and synths! 
hands 
> > on  changing wave shapes , filtering , noise, etc .Because to me 
> they 
> > are marketing the Monomachine as an effects sequencer not a 
synth !
> I think that the expression 'effect-sequencer' fits better to the 
> possiblities of the MM. I haven't worked out up to now some 
PolyKits. 
> I am working with it as a 6track MonoSynth Pattern-sequencing tool. 
> But my impression is clear: It does not have the energy, the 
warmness 
> and the soul of an analogue Synth. I have had NL2 and NL3 (from my 
> point of view, the NL2 sounds better anyway) and I know that they 
> have far more possiblities (and qualities) for sounds.... but of 
> course, if you calculate the Sequencer of the MM with it, so I 
would 
> recommend the MM anyway. Tweaking is verry fun with MM

I have heard from someone else also that the synthesis is limited, 
and that the sound isn't particularly good. I have been comtemplating 
the purchase of one of these (in addition to a Machinedrum), and I'm 
curious, since looking at the manual really doesn't give me a good 
idea of the feel of the machine...with the limitations that you speak 
of, how is the Machinedrum a better purchase than, say, a really good 
pattern based sequencer? Or, are you saying that, the integrated 
synthesizer is more than the sum of its parts? (I'm looking to be 
convinced).

Thanks,
Gene

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "droolmaster0" <implode7@p...>
wrote:
> I have heard from someone else also that the synthesis is limited, 
> and that the sound isn't particularly good.

sound = good is a matter of taste, I guess.  but I think that it's
very good, even in comparison to a Nord and some true analog
synths I have. (BTW, you shouldn't need to hear sound opinions from
anyone else, since there's a ton of representative sound demos online.
decide for yourself what your ears like :-)

the synthesis is somewhat limited, but only with respect to voice,
since it's primarily a multitimbral monophonic synthesizer/sequencer.
 but synthesis-wise, I don't think it's not limited at all. for
example, some machines offer up to eight oscillators for one
monophonic voice and they can be individually tweaked to a good
extent. also, the LFO's can be routed to *anything* within the machine
(which can't be said for many synths). also in general, a synth has
three or four parameters defining an oscillator's sound (base pitch,
waveshape, volume and sometimes a modulator choice) and within the
Monomachine, there's usually between six and eight.


> how is the Machinedrum a better purchase than, say, a really good 
> pattern based sequencer?


the Machinedrum IS a really good pattern based sequencer. and it
offers up to 24 tweakable parameters per drum sound (including a
dedicated LFO per drum sound, which is also assignable to any
parameter (or other drum sound)). so it has a tremendous amount of
sonic options.


> Or, are you saying that, the integrated 
> synthesizer is more than the sum of its parts? (I'm looking to be 
> convinced).


yes, that's also true. and I think that that's a lot of the motivation
behind the Monomachine.  the workflow and interaction with the machine
is excellent, even though it's a bit different from a lot of other
synthesizers.

Joe.

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by droolmaster0

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "droolmaster0" 
<implode7@p...>
> wrote:
> > I have heard from someone else also that the synthesis is 
limited, 
> > and that the sound isn't particularly good.
> 
> sound = good is a matter of taste, I guess.  but I think that it's
> very good, even in comparison to a Nord and some true analog
> synths I have. (BTW, you shouldn't need to hear sound opinions from
> anyone else, since there's a ton of representative sound demos 
online.
> decide for yourself what your ears like :-)
> 
> the synthesis is somewhat limited, but only with respect to voice,
> since it's primarily a multitimbral monophonic 
synthesizer/sequencer.
>  but synthesis-wise, I don't think it's not limited at all. for
> example, some machines offer up to eight oscillators for one
> monophonic voice and they can be individually tweaked to a good
> extent. also, the LFO's can be routed to *anything* within the 
machine
> (which can't be said for many synths). also in general, a synth has
> three or four parameters defining an oscillator's sound (base pitch,
> waveshape, volume and sometimes a modulator choice) and within the
> Monomachine, there's usually between six and eight.
> 
> 
> > how is the Machinedrum a better purchase than, say, a really good 
> > pattern based sequencer?
> 
> 
> the Machinedrum IS a really good pattern based sequencer. and it
> offers up to 24 tweakable parameters per drum sound (including a
> dedicated LFO per drum sound, which is also assignable to any
> parameter (or other drum sound)). so it has a tremendous amount of
> sonic options.
> 
> 
> > Or, are you saying that, the integrated 
> > synthesizer is more than the sum of its parts? (I'm looking to be 
> > convinced).
> 
> 
> yes, that's also true. and I think that that's a lot of the 
motivation
> behind the Monomachine.  the workflow and interaction with the 
machine
> is excellent, even though it's a bit different from a lot of other
> synthesizers.
> 
> Joe.

Thanks for an excellent answer. I know there are demos online, and I 
thought that they sounded very good, actually. I've sometimes found, 
perhaps paradoxically, that the experience of playing a synth 
produces a different subjective opinion of the sound, so I was 
curious about what people thought.

I didn't mean to suggest that the Monomachine isn't a good pattern 
sequencer, but in my devil's advocate role was wondering about 
whether, IF the synthesis was really not good, why not try to get 
more bang for the buck by spending it all on a pattern sequencer.

I am definitely leaning towards buying one, given what I read in the 
manual about its operation, the sound of the demos, and what people 
have said about it.

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "droolmaster0" 
<implode7@p...>
> wrote:
> > I have heard from someone else also that the synthesis is 
limited, 
> > and that the sound isn't particularly good.
> 
> sound = good is a matter of taste, I guess.  but I think that it's
> very good, even in comparison to a Nord and some true analog
> synths I have.

The general reaction from people we demonstrated the Monomachine to 
at the NAMM show was that it sounded fantastic. Also from a 
strict "sound quality" aspect. Several people simply said it was the 
best sounding current synthesizer, and that it is able to supply a 
bottom end not many synthesizers can offer.

Another reaction was that the joystick was really a big part of the 
experience of the Monomachine.

I don't think we got one single person in there that we didn't 
impress with the sounds! Whether that was because of well programmed 
presets, a good sound system or maybe actually a good sounding 
product is not up to me to judge.

The demos of the webpage are quite early examples, and we should try 
to get new ones now that people get more used to it. I think playing 
with the presets for a while would give a better idea of what it is 
about.

...and about the so called limitations... We have tried to give uable 
controls, so that they spur creativity, rather than give all possible 
possibilities. For example, that's why the unison width for the five 
main oscillators of the SuperWave Saw is controlled by only one 
parameter. That makes it more usable in our opinion than having 
individual detunes that you never would bother to edit. It's all 
about the results, isn't it. That's also why we think it is a major 
achievement to have an FM synth controled with seven basic 
controlers, all which does relevant actions, rather than all the 
parameters in the world, but stick to presets as you never bother to 
figure them out.

Daniel

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by gregorio472001

Cool thank you people i listen to some demos and opinions , i really 
dig the monomachine so i'm buying it!

Is there a special price if you buy the machinedrum and the 
Monomachine together ????!!!!! there should be

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by droolmaster0

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" 
<daniel@e...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "droolmaster0" 
> <implode7@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > I have heard from someone else also that the synthesis is 
> limited, 
> > > and that the sound isn't particularly good.
> > 
> > sound = good is a matter of taste, I guess.  but I think that it's
> > very good, even in comparison to a Nord and some true analog
> > synths I have.
> 
> The general reaction from people we demonstrated the Monomachine to 
> at the NAMM show was that it sounded fantastic. Also from a 
> strict "sound quality" aspect. Several people simply said it was 
the 
> best sounding current synthesizer, and that it is able to supply a 
> bottom end not many synthesizers can offer.
> 
> Another reaction was that the joystick was really a big part of the 
> experience of the Monomachine.
> 
> I don't think we got one single person in there that we didn't 
> impress with the sounds! Whether that was because of well 
programmed 
> presets, a good sound system or maybe actually a good sounding 
> product is not up to me to judge.
> 
> The demos of the webpage are quite early examples, and we should 
try 
> to get new ones now that people get more used to it. I think 
playing 
> with the presets for a while would give a better idea of what it is 
> about.
> 
> ...and about the so called limitations... We have tried to give 
uable 
> controls, so that they spur creativity, rather than give all 
possible 
> possibilities. For example, that's why the unison width for the 
five 
> main oscillators of the SuperWave Saw is controlled by only one 
> parameter. That makes it more usable in our opinion than having 
> individual detunes that you never would bother to edit. It's all 
> about the results, isn't it. That's also why we think it is a major 
> achievement to have an FM synth controled with seven basic 
> controlers, all which does relevant actions, rather than all the 
> parameters in the world, but stick to presets as you never bother 
to 
> figure them out.
> 
> Daniel

thanks for your thoughtful response also.

Right now I am disposed towards buying one in about a week (if 
available). Given the 10 days money back mentioned on the website, 
and the fact that I think that it will come in very handy for me, I 
don't think I can go wrong.

Re: [elektron] Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by Andy Tarpinian

I agree, I was on the fence for a while, but watching it live in those vids
pretty much sold it for me.
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> From: gregorio472001 <gregorio472001@...>
> 
> Cool thank you people i listen to some demos and opinions , i really
> dig the monomachine so i'm buying it!
>

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by schmackofanz

Daniel,
did you take any videoclips of the Namm monodemo yourself that you plan to put 
online?
"Sound quality" of the clips i saw sofar and the way the clips were edited didnt do the 
mono any justice. (although it was cool to see the joystick in action)
Well, i ordered mine at my local dealer already anyway.

Any idea when you will be able to start delivery of the SFX-60?

Will it be possible to use a midicontroller like the chaospad to mimic the function of 
the joystick?

best
Hans

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@e...> wrote:
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> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "droolmaster0" 
> <implode7@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > I have heard from someone else also that the synthesis is 
> limited, 
> > > and that the sound isn't particularly good.
> > 
> > sound = good is a matter of taste, I guess.  but I think that it's
> > very good, even in comparison to a Nord and some true analog
> > synths I have.
> 
> The general reaction from people we demonstrated the Monomachine to 
> at the NAMM show was that it sounded fantastic. Also from a 
> strict "sound quality" aspect. Several people simply said it was the 
> best sounding current synthesizer, and that it is able to supply a 
> bottom end not many synthesizers can offer.
> 
> Another reaction was that the joystick was really a big part of the 
> experience of the Monomachine.
> 
> I don't think we got one single person in there that we didn't 
> impress with the sounds! Whether that was because of well programmed 
> presets, a good sound system or maybe actually a good sounding 
> product is not up to me to judge.
> 
> The demos of the webpage are quite early examples, and we should try 
> to get new ones now that people get more used to it. I think playing 
> with the presets for a while would give a better idea of what it is 
> about.
> 
> ...and about the so called limitations... We have tried to give uable 
> controls, so that they spur creativity, rather than give all possible 
> possibilities. For example, that's why the unison width for the five 
> main oscillators of the SuperWave Saw is controlled by only one 
> parameter. That makes it more usable in our opinion than having 
> individual detunes that you never would bother to edit. It's all 
> about the results, isn't it. That's also why we think it is a major 
> achievement to have an FM synth controled with seven basic 
> controlers, all which does relevant actions, rather than all the 
> parameters in the world, but stick to presets as you never bother to 
> figure them out.
> 
> Daniel

Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "schmackofanz" 
<digitalaudiodesign@t...> wrote:

> did you take any videoclips of the Namm monodemo yourself that you
> plan to put online?

No, unfortunately not.

> "Sound quality" of the clips i saw sofar and the way the clips were
> edited didnt do the mono any justice. (although it was cool to see
> the joystick in action)

Sonic State recorded 9 minutes directly from the mixer to a DAT. It's 
all the Monomachine playing presets in multi-trig mode and moving the 
joystick around.. They have an mp3 at: 
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1334

It doesn't sound very good though because they recorded with some 
autolimiter which takes all dynamics out of the sound.

My favourite starts around 4 minutes (digipro). The FM demo after 
that one is very cool in real life, but seems to have been too much 
for the DAT. Also check Andrews acid-track coming around 8:20.

> Well, i ordered mine at my local dealer already anyway.

I'm happy to hear that. :)

We will now start selling through some selected US dealers as well. 
They will be published at the partners page of the Elektron site when 
we're ready.

> Any idea when you will be able to start delivery of the SFX-60?

They started shipping today!

> Will it be possible to use a midicontroller like the chaospad to
> mimic the function of the joystick?

Hmmm... I don't know how you can set up the chaospad, but the 
joystick is controlled by pitchbend for left and right, modwheel for 
up, and cc#02

Just another note on the sound quality: The Monomachine is kind of 
special, because we haven't tried to get the most number of voices 
out of the unit, rather we have spent enormous amounts of DSP power 
into the six tracks we have, to get everything as good as we want. We 
use two high spec DSP's for six tracks, and we use audio hardware 
like Crystal DA/AD and Burr Brown amplifiers that should be a 
guarantee that we get the best transients and dynamics out of it. We 
have tried to be perfectionists! :)

Daniel

Re: [elektron] Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by Automatic Panic

this unit is awesome! I want one so bad to join my MD.
Any chance you guys will be selling through our US
dealer Musiciansfriend? If so I am going to buy one
right now with my card through them! If not I'll have
to wait till I save some more money :( 


--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com,
> "schmackofanz" 
> <digitalaudiodesign@t...> wrote:
> 
> > did you take any videoclips of the Namm monodemo
> yourself that you
> > plan to put online?
> 
> No, unfortunately not.
> 
> > "Sound quality" of the clips i saw sofar and the
> way the clips were
> > edited didnt do the mono any justice. (although it
> was cool to see
> > the joystick in action)
> 
> Sonic State recorded 9 minutes directly from the
> mixer to a DAT. It's 
> all the Monomachine playing presets in multi-trig
> mode and moving the 
> joystick around.. They have an mp3 at: 
>
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1334
> 
> It doesn't sound very good though because they
> recorded with some 
> autolimiter which takes all dynamics out of the
> sound.
> 
> My favourite starts around 4 minutes (digipro). The
> FM demo after 
> that one is very cool in real life, but seems to
> have been too much 
> for the DAT. Also check Andrews acid-track coming
> around 8:20.
> 
> > Well, i ordered mine at my local dealer already
> anyway.
> 
> I'm happy to hear that. :)
> 
> We will now start selling through some selected US
> dealers as well. 
> They will be published at the partners page of the
> Elektron site when 
> we're ready.
> 
> > Any idea when you will be able to start delivery
> of the SFX-60?
> 
> They started shipping today!
> 
> > Will it be possible to use a midicontroller like
> the chaospad to
> > mimic the function of the joystick?
> 
> Hmmm... I don't know how you can set up the
> chaospad, but the 
> joystick is controlled by pitchbend for left and
> right, modwheel for 
> up, and cc#02
> 
> Just another note on the sound quality: The
> Monomachine is kind of 
> special, because we haven't tried to get the most
> number of voices 
> out of the unit, rather we have spent enormous
> amounts of DSP power 
> into the six tracks we have, to get everything as
> good as we want. We 
> use two high spec DSP's for six tracks, and we use
> audio hardware 
> like Crystal DA/AD and Burr Brown amplifiers that
> should be a 
> guarantee that we get the best transients and
> dynamics out of it. We 
> have tried to be perfectionists! :)
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [elektron] Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-22 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

You might add the below sentence to your promotional materials. (and specify the particular dsp chips used). Statements like these provoke gear-lust for sure!
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----- Original Message ----- 
  From: daniel_elektron 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:12 PM
  Subject: [elektron] Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!


  Just another note on the sound quality: The Monomachine is kind of 
  special, because we haven't tried to get the most number of voices 
  out of the unit, rather we have spent enormous amounts of DSP power 
  into the six tracks we have, to get everything as good as we want. We 
  use two high spec DSP's for six tracks, and we use audio hardware 
  like Crystal DA/AD and Burr Brown amplifiers that should be a 
  guarantee that we get the best transients and dynamics out of it. We 
  have tried to be perfectionists! :)

  Daniel



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Re: [elektron] Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-23 by D.E

regarding Kaosspad : you can send pitch data from the x axis and i think you
can set up the y axis for modulation + another cc  ,,  but the MM joystick
is waaay more fun. ,

aha, now i get it, your in for the tabletop...

d
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> > Will it be possible to use a midicontroller like the chaospad to
> > mimic the function of the joystick?
>

[elektron] Re: Monomachine reviews ?questions etc!

2004-01-24 by fiercefish

I think to compare the Monomachine to any other synth is missing the 
point, simply because no other machine has the same features, it is 
a unique synth - something that Elektron pride themselves in. I have 
used and owned many many synths and none come close to the MnM in 
terms of UI, features, ingenuity and most importantly SOUND. 

VA's are mostly dedicated to recreating (to varying degrees of 
success) old analogue synths, to me they always fall a little short, 
useable but not quite there yet. The MnM on the other hand is not 
trying to be an emulation of an old synth (Ok, so there is the Sid 
machine, but this is just one facet) therefore it frees you of all 
the baggage of trying to get that TB303 sound or some Juno pad and 
positively encourages you to do something new, now I LOVE all those 
classic sounds as much or even more so than the next guy but the MnM 
is much more exciting, yet it also complements analogue gear very 
nicely.

I write mainly Techno, Electro and other futuristic music and I can 
honestly say the MnM is perfect for this, (amongst many other 
things) to me its like Kraftwerk in a box and then some, somehow 
robotic yet REAL funky. The VO machine is simply awesome and the 
main thing that initially got me interested, a singin' synth, how 
cool is that??? Its worth the price for that alone!! But then the 
other machines, combined with the brilliant sequencer and control, 
simply amazing and limitless depths for exploring. 

I have been producing music for 12 years on many lables around the 
world and believe me when I say people are going to do some amazing 
music with this synth.

Comparing it to a Nord is like comparing a Volvo (Nord) to the 
MilleniuM Falcon (MnM).

Another thing, the design, gorgeous, inspired.
   
"Just another note on the sound quality: The Monomachine is kind of 
special" - Thats an under statement!

"We use two high spec DSP's for six tracks, and we use audio 
hardware like Crystal DA/AD and Burr Brown amplifiers that should be 
a guarantee that we get the best transients and dynamics out of it. 
We have tried to be perfectionists! :) " - I'm feeling that!

Pure genius. Oh, and LFO are users, that should tell you something 
too.

Convinced yet?

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