EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I'm sure that this has been covered 100fold by now, but unfortunately I have missed 
it.

Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the question of should I replace 
my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?

My needs are:
Good warm sounding rich strings, drums, ambience, piano, bass, synths for my home 
studio.

Extremely low latency and warmth/quality of sounds along with convenience is more 
important to me than quantity of sounds available.

I'm happy with the way the evp88 and evb3 sound with my audiophile 24/96 card, so 
I guess that the EXS would sound fairly good as well.  

Also, would an 800mhz G4 with 1 gig ram and multiple 7200 drives be enough to run 
an instance of evp88, evb3, clav, and 5-10 esx tracks?  or should i purchase a dual 1 
gig G4?  Do I need to upgrade my soundcard to get lower latency to run this many 
soft synths?

Any thoughts, suggesions, or links would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Will

At 01:19 AM 11/12/03 +0000, you wrote:

>Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the question of should I 
>replace
>my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?
>
>My needs are:
>Good warm sounding rich strings, drums, ambience, piano, bass, synths for 
>my home
>studio.
>
>Extremely low latency and warmth/quality of sounds along with convenience 
>is more
>important to me than quantity of sounds available.
>
>I'm happy with the way the evp88 and evb3 sound with my audiophile 24/96 
>card, so
>I guess that the EXS would sound fairly good as well.

If you have these type of sounds with your Emu as it is, you can convert 
them to EXS-24 using Translator www.chickensys.com/translator - they 
usually will sound as warm, although if there is extensive programming 
across the voices you might loose some of the real-time feel.

For latency, if you get a fast Mac you probably won't see a difference, but 
there is one. You might not like it at first, at worse, but you'll get used 
to it.

And you don't have to think of it as a replacement - think of it as an 
addition, and let the EXS-24 phase the Emu out naturally - that way you'll 
know for sure.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

will_ritter <will_ritter@...> wrote:>I'm sure that this has been covered 100fold by now, but >unfortunately I have missed 
>it.

>Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the >question of should I replace 
>my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?


                                                                                     ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY NOT!In my opinion,and I work routinely with both,The E4 blows the EXS away by every standard except memory,of course.The only relative advantage of EXS over hardware in general is streaming samples from disk.However,this is true of several soft-samplers.But I haven't heard any yet that sound as good as the E4.Also,Kontakt,which I have used the demo of,and Halion,which I have not used,seem to have superior synthesis capabilities to the EXS.It is my definite opinion that Kontakt does,and I am intrigued by the new features of Sampletank 2.I know nothing about Mach Five,but by the ads and press releases it specs out well,including apparently, EOS compatability.But I for one,will continue to use the Emulator,as well as my Yamaha A4000,a good machine available dirt cheap these days with a good,9 disk factory library and amazing effects.My advise to you is shop around for the features
 and library compatability you need and add a soft sampler,but don't sell the Emu.By the way, Chicken Systems Translator will do EOS to EXS,but with a weird bug where the filter is all the way closed.Note,however,that I am using EXS Mk 1.But the really good news is that Translator will do EOS to sf.2 very well,and just about all the major soft-samplers will load sound fonts.Good hunting.

Hi Will,

Will Ritter wrote:

> Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the >question of 
> should I replace
> my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?

No, do yourself a favor and don't make this mistake. Use both if you 
can afford it. I still have a lot of hardware machines in my studio and 
each of them is extremely useful in its own way, cause every hardware 
sampler has its own characteristic sound you absolutely won't be able 
to get with any software samplers. Make them complement each other, 
find what stuff each of them is especially good at, sample one with the 
other then process those samples with filters and stuff, layer the same 
(or similar sounding) programs played from different samplers, do 
whatever your imagination tells you and after some months/years of 
extensive experimenting you'll get that special sound for your music. 
Consider this a "trade secret of an old sampler geek" :-) , cause 
that's how I got that special sound for my own stuff :-) .

Best,

Andy

E4 samples sound fine in the EXS..... however, I use the Kirk Hunter string library which is pretty big and my theory is why bog down the computer with a ton of EXS instances and drive it quickly to overload if I don't need to.  I don't like my E4XT's interface even a tiny little bit compared to the EXS, but in the instances where I don't have to change anything and just have to load up a bank, it seems ill advised to throw it away.  It sounds amaizing and takes some of the load off the computer.  Sooooo.... use both!

If you decide to dump EMU, you will hit the processing wall earlier in an 800mhz machine than a dual 1.25.  I know nothing about the audiphile card and its latency.  I use a Motu PCI-424 which seems to work fine.  I've had up to 25 instances of audio instruments going without any annoying latency or gags on a dual boot, dual 1.25 with on gig of memory.

James

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: will_ritter 
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:19 PM
  Subject: [EXS] exs to replace emu e4xt ultra?


  I'm sure that this has been covered 100fold by now, but unfortunately I have missed 
  it.

  Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the question of should I replace 
  my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?

  My needs are:
  Good warm sounding rich strings, drums, ambience, piano, bass, synths for my home 
  studio.

  Extremely low latency and warmth/quality of sounds along with convenience is more 
  important to me than quantity of sounds available.

  I'm happy with the way the evp88 and evb3 sound with my audiophile 24/96 card, so 
  I guess that the EXS would sound fairly good as well.  

  Also, would an 800mhz G4 with 1 gig ram and multiple 7200 drives be enough to run 
  an instance of evp88, evb3, clav, and 5-10 esx tracks?  or should i purchase a dual 1 
  gig G4?  Do I need to upgrade my soundcard to get lower latency to run this many 
  soft synths?

  Any thoughts, suggesions, or links would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks,

  Will



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At 11:17 PM 11/11/03 -0800, you wrote:

> >Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the >question of 
> should I replace
> >my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?

> 
>ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY NOT!In my opinion,and I work routinely with both,The 
>E4 blows the EXS away by every standard except memory,of course.The only 
>relative advantage of EXS over hardware in general is streaming samples 
>from disk.However,this is true of several soft-samplers.But I haven't 
>heard any yet that sound as good as the E4.Also,Kontakt,which I have used 
>the demo of,and Halion,which I have not used,seem to have superior 
>synthesis capabilities to the EXS.It is my definite opinion that Kontakt 
>does,and I am intrigued by the new features of Sampletank 2.I know nothing 
>about Mach Five,but by the ads and press releases it specs out 
>well,including apparently, EOS compatability.But I for one,will continue 
>to use the Emulator,as well as my Yamaha A4000,a good machine available 
>dirt cheap these days with a good,9 disk factory library and amazing 
>effects.My advise to you is shop around for the features
>and library compatability you need and add a soft sampler,but don't sell 
>the Emu.By the way, Chicken Systems Translator will do EOS to EXS,but with 
>a weird bug where the filter is all the way closed.Note,however,that I am 
>using EXS Mk 1.But the really good news is that Translator will do EOS to 
>sf.2 very well,and just about all the major soft-samplers will load sound 
>fonts.Good hunting.

                                                                                               I 
think you have a good point hardware samplers have definite advantages over 
software samplers except in the interface and memory and perhaps 
organization categories the new versions of translator will map the emu 
filter setting properly thanks for pointing that out if i keep reading and 
writing posts like this i'm going to keel over in my grave

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  You guys are awesome.  

I appreciate all of the food for thought and will most likely try out the exs for a while 
before I make a decision on whether to dump the E4.

Best of luck to all of you,

Will

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Garth Hjelte <garth@c...> wrote:

> At 11:17 PM 11/11/03 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> > >Can anyone direct me to threads or help me answer the >question of 
> > should I replace
> > >my Emu E4xtUltra with the EXS?
> 
> > 
> >ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY NOT!In my opinion,and I work routinely with both,The 
> >E4 blows the EXS away by every standard except memory,of course.The only 
> >relative advantage of EXS over hardware in general is streaming samples 
> >from disk.However,this is true of several soft-samplers.But I haven't 
> >heard any yet that sound as good as the E4.Also,Kontakt,which I have used 
> >the demo of,and Halion,which I have not used,seem to have superior 
> >synthesis capabilities to the EXS.It is my definite opinion that Kontakt 
> >does,and I am intrigued by the new features of Sampletank 2.I know nothing 
> >about Mach Five,but by the ads and press releases it specs out 
> >well,including apparently, EOS compatability.But I for one,will continue 
> >to use the Emulator,as well as my Yamaha A4000,a good machine available 
> >dirt cheap these days with a good,9 disk factory library and amazing 
> >effects.My advise to you is shop around for the features
> >and library compatability you need and add a soft sampler,but don't sell 
> >the Emu.By the way, Chicken Systems Translator will do EOS to EXS,but with 
> >a weird bug where the filter is all the way closed.Note,however,that I am 
> >using EXS Mk 1.But the really good news is that Translator will do EOS to 
> >sf.2 very well,and just about all the major soft-samplers will load sound 
> >fonts.Good hunting.
> 
>                                                                                                I 
> think you have a good point hardware samplers have definite advantages over 
> software samplers except in the interface and memory and perhaps 
> organization categories the new versions of translator will map the emu 
> filter setting properly thanks for pointing that out if i keep reading and 
> writing posts like this i'm going to keel over in my grave
> 
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User

will_ritter <will_ritter@...> wrote:>Thank you, thank you, thank you.  You guys are awesome.  

>I appreciate all of the food for thought and will most >likely try out the exs for a while 
>before I make a decision on whether to dump the E4.

>Best of luck to all of you,

>Will
If you do decide to do something dumb and dump the EMU,let me know and I'll see about giving it a good home.Meanwhile,You may email me privately about sounds,If you want.I've done quite a bit of EOS to EXS translation.

I would actually keep both, that way you have both the virtual world 
and hardware world at your fingertips. What might be funky is to 
replace the E4 with Emu's new E5 soft sampler, apparently due for 
release in Jan at NAMM.
Also, bear in mind that Emu have a vast library support and third 
party libraries are available everywhere.
I have both, simply because I am a Sound Font developer for Emu and 
have made a number of their soundsets for their modules and command 
stations, and I use both. I love the EXS24 Mk11 and have created a cd 
rom for that also which is awaiting endorsement from Emagic. I can 
honestly say that I use both and would not part with either. I love 
the interface for the EXS and find it easy to use but I love the 
power of the E4 in it's modulation matrix and filters, this EXS 
doesn't have.
If you can, try to keep both.
Best of luck.

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