Xtreme Analog
2001-12-14 by Tom Hammer
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2001-12-14 by Tom Hammer
Where can you order Xtreme Analog. I'm having a hard time finding it online or in the stores. thanks tom
2001-12-14 by gordonmurrison
--- In exs-users@y..., Tom Hammer <hammeremail@y...> wrote: > Where can you order Xtreme Analog. > I'm having a hard time finding it online or in the stores. > > thanks > tom I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would there be much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? Thanks G.
2001-12-14 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
Yes, it sounds amazing! Very different from the other synths because of the incredible saw wave forms.
> From: "gordonmurrison" <gordon.murrison@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:58:51 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > > --- In exs-users@y..., Tom Hammer <hammeremail@y...> wrote: >> Where can you order Xtreme Analog. >> I'm having a hard time finding it online or in the stores. >> >> thanks >> tom > > I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would there be > much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? > > Thanks > > G. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-12-14 by Eppo Schaap
> I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would there be > much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? Plus: - The EXS24 filter has a different sound compared to ES1 (and probably ES2). It's an addition to your sound palette - The Xtreme programs are partly made of heavy layered fattened waveforms. When you want to achieve this realtime with virtual analogs it will cost ya *much* more CPU power. Minus: Don't do it to save CPU. Extreme Analog also takes considerable CPU (because the EXS-filters has to do a steady job). Although i'm told that ES2 takes even more, but that's no more than speculation at this moment. Interesting detail: Pro52 needs much less CPU power to do his thing with the same amount of voices. Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron
2001-12-14 by highlandsource
yes! its such fun watching the cpu crap out on two notes of polyphony! andy --- In exs-users@y..., "gordonmurrison" <gordon.murrison@t...> wrote: > I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would there be
> much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? > > Thanks > > G.
2001-12-14 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
What are you talking about?
> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:02 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > > > yes! its such fun watching the cpu crap out on two notes of > polyphony! > > andy > > --- In exs-users@y..., "gordonmurrison" <gordon.murrison@t...> > wrote: > >> I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would there > be >> much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? >> >> Thanks >> >> G. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-12-14 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
This makes no sense to me. Do you have problems with drum kits, etc? I often run 5 or 6 EXS with 75 samples-per-kit, some of them long. The Xtreme CD should use a fraction of the memory since it is a single, short wave form. What CPU are you running? Honestly, it sounds like your problem may be caused by something else... Jer
> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:26:04 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > > > sounds great but i find i can barely get any polyphony out of it > before it falls over. one part, a few notes, and thats about it. im > noticing around 50% of the sounds are this way and are > unusable out of the box in an actual arrangement here. sure, we > users can modify the filter etc to make it less cpu hungry, but errr, > is that really any kind of solution? its a bit ike buying a car and > having to modify the gas tank so i can drive more than ten miles! > > in short, the sounds languish on my hard drive, unused and > unloved.....sigh, another romance over. > > andy > > --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: >> What are you talking about? >> >>> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@b...> >>> Reply-To: exs-users@y... >>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:02 -0000 >>> To: exs-users@y... >>> Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog >>> >>> >>> yes! its such fun watching the cpu crap out on two notes of >>> polyphony! >>> >>> andy >>> >>> --- In exs-users@y..., "gordonmurrison" > <gordon.murrison@t...> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would > there >>> be >>>> much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> G. >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> exs-users-unsubscribe@e... >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-12-14 by highlandsource
sounds great but i find i can barely get any polyphony out of it before it falls over. one part, a few notes, and thats about it. im noticing around 50% of the sounds are this way and are unusable out of the box in an actual arrangement here. sure, we users can modify the filter etc to make it less cpu hungry, but errr, is that really any kind of solution? its a bit ike buying a car and having to modify the gas tank so i can drive more than ten miles! in short, the sounds languish on my hard drive, unused and unloved.....sigh, another romance over. andy --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: > What are you talking about? > > > From: "highlandsource" <ythan@b...> > > Reply-To: exs-users@y... > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:02 -0000 > > To: exs-users@y... > > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > > > > > > yes! its such fun watching the cpu crap out on two notes of > > polyphony! > > > > andy > > > > --- In exs-users@y..., "gordonmurrison" <gordon.murrison@t...> > > wrote: > > > >> I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would there > > be > >> much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> G. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > exs-users-unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
2001-12-14 by highlandsource
i dont have any problems with lots of samples at all. drums are just fine, cpu-wise. its a bit limited in the amount of parts i can get (virtually) firing at any one time. the biggest hassle to me seems to be polyphony. theres no doubt judging by my cpu monitor that a bunch of the sounds on xtreme analog EAT my cpu - those big pad sounds? im lucky to have a 4 note chord move into another four note chord without the audio stuttering to a halt, and even thats only possible with just that one audio instrument part happening! (how retro is that? a monotimbral synth!) im using a pb pismo 500, with the emi2/6 (im not impressed with the asio driver!) ive tweaked and trimmed my system as much as possible. mostly the area which trips me up is the balance between latency and roomy cpu. my ears cant handle the latency which some people seem to be ok with, so i have no option but to get the latency settings down as far as possible, which of course means less power being allocated to cpu efficiency. (why such a powerful collection of technology that is the pb 500/logic audio/exs combo cant outperform a dedicated hardware synth is beyond me) regardless of the time, energy, and ingenuity i throw at this system i have a daily hassle with interrupted workflow and plain old untogether grooves...grrr. andy --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: > This makes no sense to me. Do you have problems with drum kits, etc? I often > run 5 or 6 EXS with 75 samples-per-kit, some of them long. The Xtreme CD > should use a fraction of the memory since it is a single, short wave form. > What CPU are you running? Honestly, it sounds like your problem may be > caused by something else... Jer > > > From: "highlandsource" <ythan@b...> > > Reply-To: exs-users@y... > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:26:04 -0000 > > To: exs-users@y... > > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > > > > > > sounds great but i find i can barely get any polyphony out of it > > before it falls over. one part, a few notes, and thats about it. im > > noticing around 50% of the sounds are this way and are > > unusable out of the box in an actual arrangement here. sure, we > > users can modify the filter etc to make it less cpu hungry, but errr, > > is that really any kind of solution? its a bit ike buying a car and > > having to modify the gas tank so i can drive more than ten miles! > > > > in short, the sounds languish on my hard drive, unused and > > unloved.....sigh, another romance over. > > > > andy > > > > --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: > >> What are you talking about? > >> > >>> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@b...> > >>> Reply-To: exs-users@y... > >>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:02 -0000 > >>> To: exs-users@y... > >>> Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > >>> > >>> > >>> yes! its such fun watching the cpu crap out on two notes of > >>> polyphony! > >>> > >>> andy > >>> > >>> --- In exs-users@y..., "gordonmurrison" > > <gordon.murrison@t...> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would > > there > >>> be > >>>> much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> G. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >>> exs-users-unsubscribe@e... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > exs-users-unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
2001-12-14 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
Sounds like hell. I don't have these problems, however I recently moved from a laptop to a dual G4. There is a big difference in DSP.
> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:28:09 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog > > i dont have any problems with lots of samples at all. drums are > just fine, cpu-wise. its a bit limited in the amount of parts i can > get (virtually) firing at any one time. the biggest hassle to me > seems to be polyphony. theres no doubt judging by my cpu > monitor that a bunch of the sounds on xtreme analog EAT my > cpu - those big pad sounds? im lucky to have a 4 note chord > move into another four note chord without the audio stuttering to > a halt, and even thats only possible with just that one audio > instrument part happening! (how retro is that? a monotimbral > synth!) im using a pb pismo 500, with the emi2/6 (im not > impressed with the asio driver!) ive tweaked and trimmed my > system as much as possible. mostly the area which trips me up > is the balance between latency and roomy cpu. my ears cant > handle the latency which some people seem to be ok with, so i > have no option but to get the latency settings down as far as > possible, which of course means less power being allocated to > cpu efficiency. (why such a powerful collection of technology that > is the pb 500/logic audio/exs combo cant outperform a dedicated > hardware synth is beyond me) regardless of the time, energy, > and ingenuity i throw at this system i have a daily hassle with > interrupted workflow and plain old untogether grooves...grrr. > > andy > > --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: >> This makes no sense to me. Do you have problems with drum > kits, etc? I often >> run 5 or 6 EXS with 75 samples-per-kit, some of them long. > The Xtreme CD >> should use a fraction of the memory since it is a single, short > wave form. >> What CPU are you running? Honestly, it sounds like your > problem may be >> caused by something else... Jer >> >>> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@b...> >>> Reply-To: exs-users@y... >>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:26:04 -0000 >>> To: exs-users@y... >>> Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog >>> >>> >>> sounds great but i find i can barely get any polyphony out of it >>> before it falls over. one part, a few notes, and thats about it. > im >>> noticing around 50% of the sounds are this way and are >>> unusable out of the box in an actual arrangement here. sure, > we >>> users can modify the filter etc to make it less cpu hungry, but > errr, >>> is that really any kind of solution? its a bit ike buying a car > and >>> having to modify the gas tank so i can drive more than ten > miles! >>> >>> in short, the sounds languish on my hard drive, unused and >>> unloved.....sigh, another romance over. >>> >>> andy >>> >>> --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: >>>> What are you talking about? >>>> >>>>> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@b...> >>>>> Reply-To: exs-users@y... >>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:02 -0000 >>>>> To: exs-users@y... >>>>> Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes! its such fun watching the cpu crap out on two notes of >>>>> polyphony! >>>>> >>>>> andy >>>>> >>>>> --- In exs-users@y..., "gordonmurrison" >>> <gordon.murrison@t...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have the es1 and will have the es2 soon (I hope!), would >>> there >>>>> be >>>>>> much point in me buying the Xtreme Analog library? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>>> exs-users-unsubscribe@e... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> exs-users-unsubscribe@e... >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-12-14 by Sascha Franck
Hm, the most CPU intense demo song of the CD (Arpeggiator) takes up like 15% of my CPU, the "Interactive Sequence Demo" is using like 10% and I can really play loads of voices with almost any patch. Athlon 1gHz here. Make sure "32bit float" is selected in your EXS preferences. Regards, Sascha
2001-12-14 by highlandsource
hmm, and possibly aha! the 32 bit float is a mac preference? i was under the impression it needed to be set before conversion?..see, i know about the 32 but float situation, but id converted everything before i knew! i mean EVERYTHING! i was waiting for v5 and os x to sort that out. perhaps i should do it now, if indeed it needs to be done? andy --- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote: > Hm, the most CPU intense demo song of the CD (Arpeggiator) takes up like 15% > of my CPU, the "Interactive Sequence Demo" is using like 10% and I can
> really play loads of voices with almost any patch. > Athlon 1gHz here. > Make sure "32bit float" is selected in your EXS preferences. > > Regards, > Sascha
2001-12-14 by Sascha Franck
highlandsource wrote: > hmm, and possibly aha! the 32 bit float is a mac preference? i > was under the impression it needed to be set before > conversion?..see, i know about the 32 but float situation, but id > converted everything before i knew! i mean EVERYTHING! This preference setting has got nothing to do with converting. The EXS's internal processing is allways going on in 32bit float, so every loaded sample has to be converted. If you're using "source" quality this has to happen on the fly => using up more CPU power. If you are however using "32bit float" samples will be converted when the EXS loads them into your RAM. This of course means a bit more RAM will be used (double amount if the source is 16bit, 1/3 more if it's 24bit), but you'll get quite some better performance with it (I'd even buy some more RAM to get the benefits of saving up CPU power). Just give it a try! Regards, Sascha
2001-12-14 by highlandsource
haha! i bought a new 512 meg chip just 2 days ago, i wasnt sure why really, just its cheap right now...now i know:) ill give that a go thanks andy --- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote: > highlandsource wrote: > > hmm, and possibly aha! the 32 bit float is a mac preference? i > > was under the impression it needed to be set before > > conversion?..see, i know about the 32 but float situation, but id > > converted everything before i knew! i mean EVERYTHING! > > This preference setting has got nothing to do with converting. > The EXS's internal processing is allways going on in 32bit float, so every > loaded sample has to be converted. If you're using "source" quality this has > to happen on the fly => using up more CPU power. > If you are however using "32bit float" samples will be converted when the > EXS loads them into your RAM. This of course means a bit more RAM will be > used (double amount if the source is 16bit, 1/3 more if it's 24bit), but > you'll get quite some better performance with it (I'd even buy some more RAM
> to get the benefits of saving up CPU power). > Just give it a try! > > Regards, > Sascha
2001-12-14 by Sascha Franck
Eppo Schaap wrote: > Interesting detail: Pro52 needs much less CPU power to do his thing with the > same amount of voices. Uhm yeah. Just fooled around with that and the new FM7 on a friends machine - I must say that those N.I. folks really know their shit. Both synths seem to be extremely CPU friendly. And they sound just great! Admittedly I like the EXS (and ES1) filter better, but it's not allways about that. Seems that I need to get my hands on these. Cheers, Sascha
2001-12-15 by highlandsource
hi peeps after a few hours of messing around with the 32 bit float option...i can now play two SIX note polyphony chords before my cpu goes south! heh.. thanks for the tip though, it has made a difference. perversely, its really only the emagic sounds which harrass my cpu so much. i had read that switching out the filter helps (it does, of course) but all that seems to result in is a bunch of nasty, fizzy pseudo 80's casio type tones! andy
2001-12-15 by Sascha Franck
highlandsource wrote: > after a few hours of messing around with the 32 bit float option...i > can now play two SIX note polyphony chords before my cpu goes > south! heh.. Hm, time for a CPU update, no? I have just been playing back 40 voices (5 EXS instances all playing 8 notes) of some rather CPU intense patches (all stereo, filter allways on) - no problem at all. Earlier EXS tests showed that I can play up to 85-90 voices with the filter and around 190 without. Not bad if you ask me, especially that these days some people allready would call my machine outdated. > i had read that switching out the filter helps (it does, of course) but > all that seems to result in is a bunch of nasty, fizzy pseudo 80's > casio type tones! Yeah, most patches don't sound well with the filter switched off, but some almost sound identical - looks like Peter Krischker (the programmer) had the filter switched on all the time, just in case he'd need it. Regards, Sascha
2001-12-15 by highlandsource
--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote: > > Hm, time for a CPU update, no? quite possibly! thing is, i have little option but to have a mobile setup so laptop is the only way for me...would i notice a significant improvement with a g4 powerbook? andy *shuddering at the potentially looming expense*
2001-12-15 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
I did fine with my Bronze PowerBook G3 400. It easily handled more than what you are describing. Perhaps you should seriously consider rebuilding your hard drive from the ground up. Backup, Zero All Data, Reinstall OS, Install Essential Music Apps (Logic), run Norton or Techtool from the CD, test Logic, backup HD at this point, add all other items you use, test, revert to previous build if necessary. Watch for extension conflicts when adding additional apps, watch for processes running in the background that might interrupt Logic's process. Get peek-a-boo, or something similar to view hidden processes (you can find these on http://download.cnet.com (or downloads--I forget) and search utilities. As a preliminary test, you can turn off all non-essential extensions, but I don't think this would prove much. Good luck... Jer
> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 11:52:47 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog/32 bit float > > --- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> > wrote: >> >> Hm, time for a CPU update, no? > > quite possibly! thing is, i have little option but to have a mobile > setup so laptop is the only way for me...would i notice a > significant improvement with a g4 powerbook? > > andy *shuddering at the potentially looming expense* > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-12-15 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
Get a Hammerfall Multiface if you're mostly concerned about latency. It has the lowest with the highest DSP push.
> From: "highlandsource" <ythan@btinternet.com> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:08:06 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Re: Xtreme Analog/32 bit float > > $"?1Ú4$# 4xs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: >> I did fine with my Bronze PowerBook G3 400. It easily handled > more than what >> you are describing. Perhaps you should seriously consider > rebuilding your >> hard drive from the ground up > ------ > i pretty much did all of that a little while ago. and i run minimal > apps and extensions. at this point im tending to suspect the emi > asio driver. i insist on the lowest latency settings always and it > just isnt up to it. i notice i get lots more cpu headroom using mac > av only. > > andy > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-12-15 by highlandsource
$"?1Ú4$# 4xs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: > I did fine with my Bronze PowerBook G3 400. It easily handled more than what > you are describing. Perhaps you should seriously consider rebuilding your > hard drive from the ground up ------ i pretty much did all of that a little while ago. and i run minimal apps and extensions. at this point im tending to suspect the emi asio driver. i insist on the lowest latency settings always and it just isnt up to it. i notice i get lots more cpu headroom using mac av only. andy
2001-12-15 by highlandsource
--- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote: > Get a Hammerfall Multiface if you're mostly concerned about latency. It has > the lowest with the highest DSP push. --- thats been my plan for some time, the emi was always a stopgap measure - the multiface is in somewhat short supply meantime though.....(call back in a couple of weeks, etc....) andy
2004-10-05 by M Guerrero
Hi, I can't install xtreme analog cd on my panther system because it's a cd for OS9 ( i bought it and now it doesn't work!) if you can help me that wolud be cool. Thanks, Julio D'Santiago
2004-10-05 by Andy Hardwake
Hi Julio, On Oct 5, 2004, at 12:42 AM, M Guerrero wrote: > I can't install xtreme analog cd on my panther system > because it's a cd for OS9 Actually you don't need any installer app to make it work. All you need to do is: 1. Move the "Xtreme Analog" folder from the "Sample Instruments" folder on the CD to "Sample Instruments" folder inside your Logic folder; 2. Move the "Xtreme Analog" folder from the "EXS Samples" folder on your CD to the respective folder on our sample HD; 3. In addition to that if you want to use the presets from your plug-in settings menu instead of EXS program menu, move the "Xtreme Analog" folder from the "Plug-In Settings" folder on your CD into "Plug-In Settings/EXS24" folder inside your Logic folder (you need to create the "EXS24" folder if it doesn't exist already, and AFAIU it probably doesn't). HTH, Andy