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RE: [exs] GIGA support?

RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **

Just get the chicken translator then... that should move between the two
formats.

JR

chickensys.com i think
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From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
Sent: 18 January 2002 18:33
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [exs] GIGA support?


I'm reading so much about the new GIGA librairies 
- I'm getting Halion envy! Is there any chance 
that EXS24 will eventually support this format? 
And are there any changes/updates for EXS24 coming 
any time soon?

Catch-up time.





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       Ned Bouhalassa

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Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Andrea Gozzi

No, Translator (2.5) won;t convert GIGA->exs.
They apparently don';t want to implement that.

Andrea

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From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [exs] GIGA support?


> Just get the chicken translator then... that should move between the two
> formats.
> 
> JR
> 
> chickensys.com i think
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
> Sent: 18 January 2002 18:33
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> 
> I'm reading so much about the new GIGA librairies 
> - I'm getting Halion envy! Is there any chance 
> that EXS24 will eventually support this format? 
> And are there any changes/updates for EXS24 coming 
> any time soon?
> 
> Catch-up time.

RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **

really... that is surprising.
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From: Andrea Gozzi [mailto:agoz@...]
Sent: 21 January 2002 11:26
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?


No, Translator (2.5) won;t convert GIGA->exs.
They apparently don';t want to implement that.

Andrea

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [exs] GIGA support?


> Just get the chicken translator then... that should move between the
two
> formats.
> 
> JR
> 
> chickensys.com i think
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
> Sent: 18 January 2002 18:33
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> 
> I'm reading so much about the new GIGA librairies 
> - I'm getting Halion envy! Is there any chance 
> that EXS24 will eventually support this format? 
> And are there any changes/updates for EXS24 coming 
> any time soon?
> 
> Catch-up time.



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RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Murray McDowall

Giga -> EXS 24

If you have GigaStudio and there is a patch you like it is pretty simple to
make it into an EXS 24 instrument these days.

Open the gig file in Giga's instrument editor.
Select all the samples, right click and choose "Export samples" 
Do this into a directory you have made on your samples drive -- the
selector doesn't let you create one.
The samples will have note names and loops printed to them.

Open EXS24 editor -- make a new instrument, choose Load multiple samples
and select the samples and then pick the "Auto map" option and the samples
will be built into an instrument.

If there are velocity layers, it is best to import the files of each
velocity layer in separate steps so that each becomes a group and you can
then choose velocity switching levels in the group properties.

If the samples have pitch corrections in Giga they will not be written to
the files so you may need to do some tuning of Rhodes samples etc  --  I do
it in Cool Edit -- just analyse the pitch of a sample and correct it in the
affected zone.

This all takes a few minutes so it may be impractical for huge collections
of sounds but it is certainly handy for a few favorite patches.

I have also used this method to fix some SF2s that EXS24 botched as well
since Giga converts SF2s more reliably.

Regards,
Murray

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Sascha Franck

You may want to try using Awave (www.fmjsoft.com) to convert from .gig to
.sf2 and then import that into the EXS. Don't know how good Awave does the
job though.

Regardss,
Sascha

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Ned Bouhalassa

I should have stated at the outset that I'm a Mac 
user. Maybe I should start a Mac EXS-Users group 
at Yahoo? Not everyone here is on PC, and 
GigaStudio only runs on Windows machines...

Murray McDowall wrote:

> Giga -> EXS 24
> 
> If you have GigaStudio and there is a patch you like it is pretty simple to
> make it into an EXS 24 instrument these days.



http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Murray McDowall

At 09:20 AM 21/01/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I should have stated at the outset that I'm a Mac 
>user. Maybe I should start a Mac EXS-Users group 
>at Yahoo? Not everyone here is on PC, and 
>GigaStudio only runs on Windows machines...
>
>Murray McDowall wrote:
>
>> Giga -> EXS 24
>> 
>> If you have GigaStudio and there is a patch you like it is pretty simple to
>> make it into an EXS 24 instrument these days.

Sorry I thought you were using GigaSampler. Perhaps you just want access to
the Giga Library.

BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it -- just a
PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and easy to
work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a stack
of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one and
keep Logic Mac as your main system.

Regards,
Murray

RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **

It is what I do and it rules.
Logic doesnt crash like it used to on my PC and I have a dedicated giga
workstation, and two other PC's running softsynths only.

Yay!

JR
:-)
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From: Murray McDowall [mailto:murraymc@...]
Sent: 21 January 2002 14:35
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?


At 09:20 AM 21/01/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I should have stated at the outset that I'm a Mac 
>user. Maybe I should start a Mac EXS-Users group 
>at Yahoo? Not everyone here is on PC, and 
>GigaStudio only runs on Windows machines...
>
>Murray McDowall wrote:
>
>> Giga -> EXS 24
>> 
>> If you have GigaStudio and there is a patch you like it is pretty
simple to
>> make it into an EXS 24 instrument these days.

Sorry I thought you were using GigaSampler. Perhaps you just want access
to
the Giga Library.

BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it -- just
a
PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and easy
to
work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a
stack
of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one and
keep Logic Mac as your main system.

Regards,
Murray


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Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Ned Bouhalassa

Murray,

Thanks for the get-a-PC-as-second-computer advice, 
but I won't.

I was wondering though, how do people who use both 
a Mac and a PC manage their work space? I mean, 
aren't we talking double computer keyboards, 
double mice (oh-oh, now which do I click now?), 
double monitors (that's not hard), double MIDI 
interfaces, double storage hierarchical issues 
(where does that ReCycled drum loop B MIDI file go 
again?), figuring out which computer is master, 
double fan noise, double bugs (!!)...

And then there's the whole issue of how one 
manages to, for eg, compose a piece that use 
strings from the Gigasampler, and a softsynth bass 
line from Absynth on their Mac, both triggered 
from the same Logic sequence, etc. It just seems 
so bloody complicated, no?

Why not just convince the company, in this case 
GigaStudio, to make a Mac version, or simply make 
EXS support the Giga format?

My less-than-3-per-cent-of-the-market 2 cents.

Ned

Murray McDowall wrote:

> BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
> built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it -- just a
> PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and easy to
> work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a stack
> of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one and
> keep Logic Mac as your main system.




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Murray McDowall

At 09:54 AM 21/01/02 -0500, Ned wrote:

>Thanks for the get-a-PC-as-second-computer advice, 
>but I won't.

What I wrote was -- of course -- not only for you but anyone who's
interested in Giga and trying to work with gigs on the EXS 24. The second
computer thing is really the way to go with GigaStudio -- you can run it on
the same machine as Logic but really it needs it's own system to run
properly. Most PC users who are serious about Giga run it on a second
machine. I run it on my internet machine.

>I was wondering though, how do people who use both 
>a Mac and a PC manage their work space? I mean, 
>aren't we talking double computer keyboards, 
>double mice (oh-oh, now which do I click now?), 

Two ways to go -- the full duplication (that's what I do) or get a KVM
switch and run both machines off a single keyboard and mouse and one or a
pair of monitors -- if you KVM will handle two monitors.

>And then there's the whole issue of how one 
>manages to, for eg, compose a piece that use 
>strings from the Gigasampler, and a softsynth bass 
>line from Absynth on their Mac, both triggered 
>from the same Logic sequence, etc. It just seems 
>so bloody complicated, no?

You might think of the second machine as like a hardware synth or sampler
-- the master machine sends midi to it down a standard midi cable and
instead of pressing tiny buttons around some crappy little interface screen
I have a full monitor, keyboard and mouse for all editing and patch
building and saving. 

>Why not just convince the company, in this case 
>GigaStudio, to make a Mac version, or simply make 
>EXS support the Giga format?

I seem to remember (vaguely)  that there was going to be a Mac version at
some stage -- Tascam owns Nemesys and therefore GigaStudio now -- perhaps
they will do it for OSX. You could email them.

Gig file support in the EXS 24 is definitely a good idea -- once the
disk-streaming EXS24 version arrives -- is it in V5 afterall? Was it shown
at NAMM I wonder?

>My less-than-3-per-cent-of-the-market 2 cents.

Are you coming from a "they'll have to rip the one-button mouse from my
cold dead fingers" sort of position?

I respect that - kind of ;-)

Ciao,
Murray

RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **

Hiya Ned, 

Well I have 3 computer desks set up in a U. each desk has 3 tiers. 
Stage Left has two 17 inch monitors attached to my Giga PC, mixing
console under it with mouse and keyboard under that.
Stage right are two 15 inch monitors attached to each soft synth PC.
They have Audiophile 24/96 cards so they have midi and audio taken care
of by both PC.
In the middle is my Mac with two 17 inch monitors and space under it for
24 channels of Logic Control... (Like get to it already :-) ) when it is
released.

yes, it can be a pain to find things at time.
I am getting good at keeping it all organised...

Fan noise isnt an issue as I use moderately long cable runs and have all
the PCs in a Compaq 72 unit server rack that my work was throwing out
that sits at the back of the studio. I use quiet PC power supplies
anyway. The only noisy computer is the Mac.
The whole studio runs off an APS UPS that gives me 40 minutes of power
in case of a blackput (Work were going to throw that away too)
It works, it is flexible.
I know what you are getting at with your point but think of it like
having standalone hardware samplers/synths but having them attached to
17 inch monitors.
My biggest gripe with it all is I cannot find a way of launching
multiple instances of Reaktor/softsynths on the one PC.
My PC's can easily run Reaktor, Pro 52, FM7, B4 all at once, but only
one instance of each. I dont want to run them in a program shell (ie
logic as vsti's) but I also dont want to install Reaktor on two PC's and
I am not licensed to do so even if I wanted to. It is a pain. I am
always bouncing to disk or capturing soft synth midi tracks to harddisk.

Logic Mac is still the heart of the studio. I cant trigger anything
without it. Nothing really crashes. Actually... Nothing crashes except I
occassionally get asio timing issues when running lots of waves plugs
but that is common to all methinks.

One wish is a control surface to control my PC softsynths via the Mac. I
am hoping I can do it with Logic Control, if not then maybe a Kenton
device will come and play.

But a shitlaod easier than trying to edit a real DX7, or my 1080. Yes I
know there is sound diver, I have it, I dont use it much... this way
suit my way of working more.
Having to buy multiple U8's and AMT8's was a major expense but as all
the M-Audio cards are multi client now I dont have to have multiple
cards too.
The biggest expense were the PC's but I managed to cut costs by buying
just PCU's, RAM and Cases/Power Supplies. All the other bits were either
bits I had kicking around from previous systems or (in the case of all
the monitors) bits of hardware they were chucking out when my office
went flat panel.

If anyone has 3 x rackmount PC ATX computer cases they want to sell for
a bargain price, let me know. :-)

Basically (getting to the point and yes it has been a slow day) the Mac
does its job of running everything and working, and the PC's do their
jobs of coming when there master calls....

FETCH!... arf arf arf... :-)

James
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
Sent: 21 January 2002 14:55
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?


Murray,

Thanks for the get-a-PC-as-second-computer advice, 
but I won't.

I was wondering though, how do people who use both 
a Mac and a PC manage their work space? I mean, 
aren't we talking double computer keyboards, 
double mice (oh-oh, now which do I click now?), 
double monitors (that's not hard), double MIDI 
interfaces, double storage hierarchical issues 
(where does that ReCycled drum loop B MIDI file go 
again?), figuring out which computer is master, 
double fan noise, double bugs (!!)...

And then there's the whole issue of how one 
manages to, for eg, compose a piece that use 
strings from the Gigasampler, and a softsynth bass 
line from Absynth on their Mac, both triggered 
from the same Logic sequence, etc. It just seems 
so bloody complicated, no?

Why not just convince the company, in this case 
GigaStudio, to make a Mac version, or simply make 
EXS support the Giga format?

My less-than-3-per-cent-of-the-market 2 cents.

Ned

Murray McDowall wrote:

> BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
> built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it --
just a
> PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and
easy to
> work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a
stack
> of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one
and
> keep Logic Mac as your main system.




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m




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Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Ned Bouhalassa

WOW! Thanks for a detailed answer, James! You 
really gave me (us) a great example of how one can 
run a double-platform studio. One thing though: 
surrounded by 6 monitors??? Do you glow in the 
dark when you go to sleep?

:-p

Richmond, James (James) ** CTR ** wrote:

> Hiya Ned,
> 
> Well I have 3 computer desks set up in a U. each desk has 3 tiers.
> Stage Left has two 17 inch monitors attached to my Giga PC, mixing
> console under it with mouse and keyboard under that.
> Stage right are two 15 inch monitors attached to each soft synth PC.
> They have Audiophile 24/96 cards so they have midi and audio taken care
> of by both PC.
> In the middle is my Mac with two 17 inch monitors and space under it for
> 24 channels of Logic Control... (Like get to it already :-) ) when it is
> released.
> 
> yes, it can be a pain to find things at time.
> I am getting good at keeping it all organised...
> 
> Fan noise isnt an issue as I use moderately long cable runs and have all
> the PCs in a Compaq 72 unit server rack that my work was throwing out
> that sits at the back of the studio. I use quiet PC power supplies
> anyway. The only noisy computer is the Mac.
> The whole studio runs off an APS UPS that gives me 40 minutes of power
> in case of a blackput (Work were going to throw that away too)
> It works, it is flexible.
> I know what you are getting at with your point but think of it like
> having standalone hardware samplers/synths but having them attached to
> 17 inch monitors.
> My biggest gripe with it all is I cannot find a way of launching
> multiple instances of Reaktor/softsynths on the one PC.
> My PC's can easily run Reaktor, Pro 52, FM7, B4 all at once, but only
> one instance of each. I dont want to run them in a program shell (ie
> logic as vsti's) but I also dont want to install Reaktor on two PC's and
> I am not licensed to do so even if I wanted to. It is a pain. I am
> always bouncing to disk or capturing soft synth midi tracks to harddisk.
> 
> Logic Mac is still the heart of the studio. I cant trigger anything
> without it. Nothing really crashes. Actually... Nothing crashes except I
> occassionally get asio timing issues when running lots of waves plugs
> but that is common to all methinks.
> 
> One wish is a control surface to control my PC softsynths via the Mac. I
> am hoping I can do it with Logic Control, if not then maybe a Kenton
> device will come and play.
> 
> But a shitlaod easier than trying to edit a real DX7, or my 1080. Yes I
> know there is sound diver, I have it, I dont use it much... this way
> suit my way of working more.
> Having to buy multiple U8's and AMT8's was a major expense but as all
> the M-Audio cards are multi client now I dont have to have multiple
> cards too.
> The biggest expense were the PC's but I managed to cut costs by buying
> just PCU's, RAM and Cases/Power Supplies. All the other bits were either
> bits I had kicking around from previous systems or (in the case of all
> the monitors) bits of hardware they were chucking out when my office
> went flat panel.
> 
> If anyone has 3 x rackmount PC ATX computer cases they want to sell for
> a bargain price, let me know. :-)
> 
> Basically (getting to the point and yes it has been a slow day) the Mac
> does its job of running everything and working, and the PC's do their
> jobs of coming when there master calls....
> 
> FETCH!... arf arf arf... :-)
> 
> James
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
> Sent: 21 January 2002 14:55
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> 
> Murray,
> 
> Thanks for the get-a-PC-as-second-computer advice,
> but I won't.
> 
> I was wondering though, how do people who use both
> a Mac and a PC manage their work space? I mean,
> aren't we talking double computer keyboards,
> double mice (oh-oh, now which do I click now?),
> double monitors (that's not hard), double MIDI
> interfaces, double storage hierarchical issues
> (where does that ReCycled drum loop B MIDI file go
> again?), figuring out which computer is master,
> double fan noise, double bugs (!!)...
> 
> And then there's the whole issue of how one
> manages to, for eg, compose a piece that use
> strings from the Gigasampler, and a softsynth bass
> line from Absynth on their Mac, both triggered
> from the same Logic sequence, etc. It just seems
> so bloody complicated, no?
> 
> Why not just convince the company, in this case
> GigaStudio, to make a Mac version, or simply make
> EXS support the Giga format?
> 
> My less-than-3-per-cent-of-the-market 2 cents.
> 
> Ned
> 
> Murray McDowall wrote:
> 
>  > BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
>  > built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it --
> just a
>  > PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and
> easy to
>  > work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a
> stack
>  > of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one
> and
>  > keep Logic Mac as your main system.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.nedfx.com
> 
>        Ned Bouhalassa
> 
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
> 
> 
> 
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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **

Hiya, 

hehehe... i spend most of my time working in front of the Mac so they
stay on all the time.

Giga is on quite often but I turn that on as required.
The soft synth workstations I rarely touch except to load up different
banks of sounds. To be honest I have considered taking the monitors off
and using either Timbuktu to control them via the Mac or use a switch
and control them from the Giga PC.
I select different patches on them via logic.
Glad it was some help...

Cheers, 

James 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
Sent: 21 January 2002 15:37
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?


WOW! Thanks for a detailed answer, James! You 
really gave me (us) a great example of how one can 
run a double-platform studio. One thing though: 
surrounded by 6 monitors??? Do you glow in the 
dark when you go to sleep?

:-p

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com

Funny... I am an avid Mac user with a 5-button explorer mouse from
Microsoft. Oh the contradiction! Oh the hypocrisy!! I hang my head in
shame...

For the record, I have a Dual-800 G4, a Powerbook G3 400 (bronze), and a
crappy little Pentium to do slave labor for me (no giga here). I had to get
the PC in order to run Translator natively (I can't stand Virtual PC) and
play Subspace once in a while ;-) I like the equation of comparing Giga on a
dedicated PC and a hardware sampler. That is well explained and justified.
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> From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:17:36 +1100
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> Are you coming from a "they'll have to rip the one-button mouse from my
> cold dead fingers" sort of position?

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com

Compaq servers are much better than the consumer client models. I've found
Dell servers to be more stable, but Compaq does a decent job on the server
side. My earlier Compaq comment was a bit rash.
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> From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:20:39 -0000
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> Hiya Ned, 
> 
> Well I have 3 computer desks set up in a U. each desk has 3 tiers.
> Stage Left has two 17 inch monitors attached to my Giga PC, mixing
> console under it with mouse and keyboard under that.
> Stage right are two 15 inch monitors attached to each soft synth PC.
> They have Audiophile 24/96 cards so they have midi and audio taken care
> of by both PC.
> In the middle is my Mac with two 17 inch monitors and space under it for
> 24 channels of Logic Control... (Like get to it already :-) ) when it is
> released.
> 
> yes, it can be a pain to find things at time.
> I am getting good at keeping it all organised...
> 
> Fan noise isnt an issue as I use moderately long cable runs and have all
> the PCs in a Compaq 72 unit server rack that my work was throwing out
> that sits at the back of the studio. I use quiet PC power supplies
> anyway. The only noisy computer is the Mac.
> The whole studio runs off an APS UPS that gives me 40 minutes of power
> in case of a blackput (Work were going to throw that away too)
> It works, it is flexible.
> I know what you are getting at with your point but think of it like
> having standalone hardware samplers/synths but having them attached to
> 17 inch monitors.
> My biggest gripe with it all is I cannot find a way of launching
> multiple instances of Reaktor/softsynths on the one PC.
> My PC's can easily run Reaktor, Pro 52, FM7, B4 all at once, but only
> one instance of each. I dont want to run them in a program shell (ie
> logic as vsti's) but I also dont want to install Reaktor on two PC's and
> I am not licensed to do so even if I wanted to. It is a pain. I am
> always bouncing to disk or capturing soft synth midi tracks to harddisk.
> 
> Logic Mac is still the heart of the studio. I cant trigger anything
> without it. Nothing really crashes. Actually... Nothing crashes except I
> occassionally get asio timing issues when running lots of waves plugs
> but that is common to all methinks.
> 
> One wish is a control surface to control my PC softsynths via the Mac. I
> am hoping I can do it with Logic Control, if not then maybe a Kenton
> device will come and play.
> 
> But a shitlaod easier than trying to edit a real DX7, or my 1080. Yes I
> know there is sound diver, I have it, I dont use it much... this way
> suit my way of working more.
> Having to buy multiple U8's and AMT8's was a major expense but as all
> the M-Audio cards are multi client now I dont have to have multiple
> cards too.
> The biggest expense were the PC's but I managed to cut costs by buying
> just PCU's, RAM and Cases/Power Supplies. All the other bits were either
> bits I had kicking around from previous systems or (in the case of all
> the monitors) bits of hardware they were chucking out when my office
> went flat panel.
> 
> If anyone has 3 x rackmount PC ATX computer cases they want to sell for
> a bargain price, let me know. :-)
> 
> Basically (getting to the point and yes it has been a slow day) the Mac
> does its job of running everything and working, and the PC's do their
> jobs of coming when there master calls....
> 
> FETCH!... arf arf arf... :-)
> 
> James
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
> Sent: 21 January 2002 14:55
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> 
> Murray,
> 
> Thanks for the get-a-PC-as-second-computer advice,
> but I won't.
> 
> I was wondering though, how do people who use both
> a Mac and a PC manage their work space? I mean,
> aren't we talking double computer keyboards,
> double mice (oh-oh, now which do I click now?),
> double monitors (that's not hard), double MIDI
> interfaces, double storage hierarchical issues
> (where does that ReCycled drum loop B MIDI file go
> again?), figuring out which computer is master,
> double fan noise, double bugs (!!)...
> 
> And then there's the whole issue of how one
> manages to, for eg, compose a piece that use
> strings from the Gigasampler, and a softsynth bass
> line from Absynth on their Mac, both triggered
> from the same Logic sequence, etc. It just seems
> so bloody complicated, no?
> 
> Why not just convince the company, in this case
> GigaStudio, to make a Mac version, or simply make
> EXS support the Giga format?
> 
> My less-than-3-per-cent-of-the-market 2 cents.
> 
> Ned
> 
> Murray McDowall wrote:
> 
>> BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
>> built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it --
> just a
>> PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and
> easy to
>> work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a
> stack
>> of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one
> and
>> keep Logic Mac as your main system.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.nedfx.com
> 
> Ned Bouhalassa
> 
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

Re: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-21 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com

Woops, the earlier Compaq comment I was referring to was on the laptop users
group, not this one. So disregard the reference.
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> From: <HELP@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:53:07 -0500
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?
> 
> Compaq servers are much better than the consumer client models. I've found
> Dell servers to be more stable, but Compaq does a decent job on the server
> side. My earlier Compaq comment was a bit rash.
> 
>> From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
>> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:20:39 -0000
>> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: [exs] GIGA support?
>> 
>> Hiya Ned, 
>> 
>> Well I have 3 computer desks set up in a U. each desk has 3 tiers.
>> Stage Left has two 17 inch monitors attached to my Giga PC, mixing
>> console under it with mouse and keyboard under that.
>> Stage right are two 15 inch monitors attached to each soft synth PC.
>> They have Audiophile 24/96 cards so they have midi and audio taken care
>> of by both PC.
>> In the middle is my Mac with two 17 inch monitors and space under it for
>> 24 channels of Logic Control... (Like get to it already :-) ) when it is
>> released.
>> 
>> yes, it can be a pain to find things at time.
>> I am getting good at keeping it all organised...
>> 
>> Fan noise isnt an issue as I use moderately long cable runs and have all
>> the PCs in a Compaq 72 unit server rack that my work was throwing out
>> that sits at the back of the studio. I use quiet PC power supplies
>> anyway. The only noisy computer is the Mac.
>> The whole studio runs off an APS UPS that gives me 40 minutes of power
>> in case of a blackput (Work were going to throw that away too)
>> It works, it is flexible.
>> I know what you are getting at with your point but think of it like
>> having standalone hardware samplers/synths but having them attached to
>> 17 inch monitors.
>> My biggest gripe with it all is I cannot find a way of launching
>> multiple instances of Reaktor/softsynths on the one PC.
>> My PC's can easily run Reaktor, Pro 52, FM7, B4 all at once, but only
>> one instance of each. I dont want to run them in a program shell (ie
>> logic as vsti's) but I also dont want to install Reaktor on two PC's and
>> I am not licensed to do so even if I wanted to. It is a pain. I am
>> always bouncing to disk or capturing soft synth midi tracks to harddisk.
>> 
>> Logic Mac is still the heart of the studio. I cant trigger anything
>> without it. Nothing really crashes. Actually... Nothing crashes except I
>> occassionally get asio timing issues when running lots of waves plugs
>> but that is common to all methinks.
>> 
>> One wish is a control surface to control my PC softsynths via the Mac. I
>> am hoping I can do it with Logic Control, if not then maybe a Kenton
>> device will come and play.
>> 
>> But a shitlaod easier than trying to edit a real DX7, or my 1080. Yes I
>> know there is sound diver, I have it, I dont use it much... this way
>> suit my way of working more.
>> Having to buy multiple U8's and AMT8's was a major expense but as all
>> the M-Audio cards are multi client now I dont have to have multiple
>> cards too.
>> The biggest expense were the PC's but I managed to cut costs by buying
>> just PCU's, RAM and Cases/Power Supplies. All the other bits were either
>> bits I had kicking around from previous systems or (in the case of all
>> the monitors) bits of hardware they were chucking out when my office
>> went flat panel.
>> 
>> If anyone has 3 x rackmount PC ATX computer cases they want to sell for
>> a bargain price, let me know. :-)
>> 
>> Basically (getting to the point and yes it has been a slow day) the Mac
>> does its job of running everything and working, and the PC's do their
>> jobs of coming when there master calls....
>> 
>> FETCH!... arf arf arf... :-)
>> 
>> James
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
>> Sent: 21 January 2002 14:55
>> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?
>> 
>> 
>> Murray,
>> 
>> Thanks for the get-a-PC-as-second-computer advice,
>> but I won't.
>> 
>> I was wondering though, how do people who use both
>> a Mac and a PC manage their work space? I mean,
>> aren't we talking double computer keyboards,
>> double mice (oh-oh, now which do I click now?),
>> double monitors (that's not hard), double MIDI
>> interfaces, double storage hierarchical issues
>> (where does that ReCycled drum loop B MIDI file go
>> again?), figuring out which computer is master,
>> double fan noise, double bugs (!!)...
>> 
>> And then there's the whole issue of how one
>> manages to, for eg, compose a piece that use
>> strings from the Gigasampler, and a softsynth bass
>> line from Absynth on their Mac, both triggered
>> from the same Logic sequence, etc. It just seems
>> so bloody complicated, no?
>> 
>> Why not just convince the company, in this case
>> GigaStudio, to make a Mac version, or simply make
>> EXS support the Giga format?
>> 
>> My less-than-3-per-cent-of-the-market 2 cents.
>> 
>> Ned
>> 
>> Murray McDowall wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW many Mac users who want to take advantage of that program get a PC
>>> built to run it -- you don't need a very expensive box to run it --
>> just a
>>> PIII, a good sound card and 256 -512 of RAM. It is pretty cheap and
>> easy to
>>> work with compared to an outboard sampler and of course there are a
>> stack
>>> of PC only bits of software that you can run on a PC if you have one
>> and
>>> keep Logic Mac as your main system.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.nedfx.com
>> 
>> Ned Bouhalassa
>> 
>> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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RE: [exs] GIGA support?

2002-01-22 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **

I dont use branded PC's for music systems ever.
Worked for Compaq for 2 years as a network engineer and I've seen most
of what Dell, IBM and Compaq have to offer.
Rubbish performance and lowest common decimator (  :-) ) hardware. 
Yuuuuuuuck!

In server land, well I have a couple of Compaq DL series servers here
(work) and they are fine as file servers. WOuldnt want to try to run
giga on them though... Bloody noisy too...

JR 
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-----Original Message-----
From: HELP@... [mailto:HELP@...]
Sent: 21 January 2002 22:53
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] GIGA support?


Compaq servers are much better than the consumer client models. I've
found
Dell servers to be more stable, but Compaq does a decent job on the
server
side. My earlier Compaq comment was a bit rash.

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