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2002-01-07 by resomania
I haven't had a chance to check out the EXS24 yet, but I was wondering if any EXS24 users are dumping their hardware samplers now that they use the EXS24? or is the EXS24 only good for certain things, while you hardware sampler has its strengths too? any comments would be appreciated.
2002-01-07 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
Hardware good for live EXS24 good for studio Some people still dig the idea of bringing their laptop on tour Many list members still love AKAI for road trips My story: My ASR-10 has been mothballed (I don't use it anymore)!
> From: "resomania" <resomania@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:32:19 -0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > I haven't had a chance to check out the EXS24 yet, but I was > wondering if any EXS24 users are dumping their hardware > samplers now that they use the EXS24? or is the EXS24 only > good for certain things, while you hardware sampler has its > strengths too? any comments would be appreciated. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-01-07 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> > >I haven't had a chance to check out the EXS24 yet, but I was >wondering if any EXS24 users are dumping their hardware >samplers now that they use the EXS24? > I sold my S2000, S3000XL and K2000 and I am exclusively using EXS24 and FXPansion's DR008. It has many advantages, but it also has some disadvantages. EXS' file management is still far from perfect. -- Belway Productions
2002-01-07 by Dave Howard
I sold the S950 and use the EXS now. It has shotcomings - for me altering playback parameters of zones and groups of zones could be better. File management needs thought, but mainly because its so easy to get confused! However for integration with Logic its great. Dave on 7/1/02 10:10 PM, Joeri Vankeirsbilck at belway@... wrote: >> >> >> I haven't had a chance to check out the EXS24 yet, but I was >> wondering if any EXS24 users are dumping their hardware >> samplers now that they use the EXS24? >> > I sold my S2000, S3000XL and K2000 and I am exclusively using EXS24 and > FXPansion's DR008. > It has many advantages, but it also has some disadvantages. EXS' file > management is still far from perfect. > -- Web Design, Music Composition and Production, Music Technology Training and MORE! www.chadales.co.uk
2002-01-08 by mike vangen
i have an akai s6000 that i hardly use since i got my exs24. i will keep it but i rarely use it anymore which is a bummer because i paid $3500 for the studio version with all the bells and whistles. but i dont cry about the money i spent i get excited about the time i save with the exs24. hell i remember spending $599 on 16 megs of ram for my old roland sampler. plus its easier to use and i can use 24 bit samples and the akai only uses 16 bit. plus i love being able to open my songs and all my samples are already loaded for me. im sure you will love it!! mike v.
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From: resomania
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler?
I haven't had a chance to check out the EXS24 yet, but I was
wondering if any EXS24 users are dumping their hardware
samplers now that they use the EXS24? or is the EXS24 only
good for certain things, while you hardware sampler has its
strengths too? any comments would be appreciated.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-08 by ros_t2000@yahoo.com
Hello everybody, I'm having problem with EXS24. When I'm trying to run more then 3 or 4 instances of the sampler the audio performance bar goes yellow and then error report "system overloading. blah blah blah" comes out. I can't figure out why is that happening with both EASI and ASIO drivers on my Roland RPC-1 audiointerface card, and the same on mys Soundblaster Live!, no matter what I'm doing. Help me please, I'm in pain. :( My system setup : P4-1.4Ghz, 512 MB ram, ltra ATA 100 HDD, Roland RPC-1 audio interface (or the same problem with my SB Live), Logic Audio 4.7, Windows XP. thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
2002-01-08 by Phil Buckle
It depends on your work method. Different work routines involving available tools can lead to a successful creative environments in more than one specific way. Having every tool inside the computer is convenient and is one method. Having your hands on a hardware sampler or dedicated drum machine is another. I don't think that one is better than the other. It just depends on what routine has evolved in your workplace. I still read about many of the "pro" groove programmers arriving with their samplers or drum machines and favourite set of samples. By using a software sampler you elect to work a certain way. I'm starting to think that hardware boxes are the way to go. Having gigabytes of samples and thousands of sounds available is not a good way to go. The sounds I'm hearing in some of the new modules are way better and more inspiring than any of the sample cd's I have (and I've bought a lot). It's also a much faster way to work and it gets you away from playing with your computer and obsessing about collecting and categorising samples. I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample anything. What I'm saying is that I wouldn't rush out and sell my hardware. Having everything inside the computer is convenient but there are better and more creative ways to work IMHO. Phil Buckle.
2002-01-08 by Alvaro Villalobos
Hello! For me it has replaced the hardware! About a year ago I was ready to buy an Akai sampler but then came the EXS 24 and I got it nowadays I know I couldn\ufffdt haved lived my life without it!! If it wasn\ufffdt for my EXS I surely would have to buy a hardware sampler but I don\ufffdt have any good reasons for that know just get a good soundcard and use that for your EXS 24 I\ufffdm sure you would love it! Best regards, Alvaro Villalobos. Ps. I only have one SPDIF in/out but If you are using digital I\ufffdve heard there are several reasons to get a card wich is using opticals in/out my friend is using this and he has 42 in/out digital wich he surely is pleased with! Ds. >From: Phil Buckle <pbuckle@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:02:23 +1000 > >It depends on your work method. Different work routines involving >available >tools can lead to a successful creative environments in more than one >specific way. >Having every tool inside the computer is convenient and is one method. >Having your hands on a hardware sampler or dedicated drum machine is >another. >I don't think that one is better than the other. It just depends on what >routine has evolved in your workplace. >I still read about many of the "pro" groove programmers arriving with >their >samplers or drum machines and favourite set of samples. >By using a software sampler you elect to work a certain way. >I'm starting to think that hardware boxes are the way to go. >Having gigabytes of samples and thousands of sounds available is not a good >way to go. The sounds I'm hearing in some of the new modules are way better >and more inspiring than any of the sample cd's I have (and I've bought a >lot). It's also a much faster way to work and it gets you away from playing >with your computer and obsessing about collecting and categorising samples. >I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and >Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample >anything. >What I'm saying is that I wouldn't rush out and sell my hardware. Having >everything inside the computer is convenient but there are better and more >creative ways to work IMHO. >Phil Buckle. > _________________________________________________________________ Kom med i v\ufffdrldens st\ufffdrsta e-posttj\ufffdnst; MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com/sv
2002-01-08 by Eppo Schaap
> I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and > Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample > anything. The only real advantage of virtuals in software is that can't be achieved with midi driven modules is the sample accurate timing. Not important for all musical styles but very important when you're programming real tight beats. Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron
2002-01-09 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
That is not the only thing. How about building a full keyboard of chromatically-mapped samples in about 1 minute, from samples downloaded on my broadband directly from the internet. Try doing that on a hardware sampler! I used to spend days building libraries. Now I spend minutes or seconds. -Jer
> From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:14:44 +0100 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > >> I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and >> Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample >> anything. > > The only real advantage of virtuals in software is that can't be achieved > with midi driven modules is the sample accurate timing. Not important for > all musical styles but very important when you're programming real tight > beats. > > Eppo Schaap > Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica > www.galbatron.com > music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-01-09 by Alvaro Villalobos
And I can bet you Eppo you wont be using your Emu as I use EXS in ten years I can bet you! Best regards, Alvaro Villalobos. >From: <HELP@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:05:10 -0500 > >That is not the only thing. How about building a full keyboard of >chromatically-mapped samples in about 1 minute, from samples downloaded on >my broadband directly from the internet. Try doing that on a hardware >sampler! I used to spend days building libraries. Now I spend minutes or >seconds. -Jer > > > From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> > > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:14:44 +0100 > > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > > >> I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and > >> Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample > >> anything. > > > > The only real advantage of virtuals in software is that can't be >achieved > > with midi driven modules is the sample accurate timing. Not important >for > > all musical styles but very important when you're programming real tight > > beats. > > > > Eppo Schaap > > Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica > > www.galbatron.com > > music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chatta med v\ufffdnner online, prova MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.se
2002-01-09 by Eppo Schaap
> And I can bet you Eppo you wont be using your Emu as I use EXS in ten years > I can bet you! Mmmm, copyrights get lost will al that quoting :-). It wasn't me using the EMU. I never owned a RAM based hardware sampler in my life. I always did my effects in ROM bases sample synths. Using Explorer32 in the early 90-ties, I programmed all effects I needed at the time (as far as lions and camera drives) for scoring video's. Soft samplers like EXS opened the world of keyboard controlled RAM sampling to me. I was surprised to read that many samplers can't use more than 128MB. Never had that problem... Now I understand why film composers need a rack with 32 Rolands and they never turn them off once the libraries are loaded :-). Jer wrote: > >That is not the only thing. How about building a full keyboard of > >chromatically-mapped samples in about 1 minute, from samples downloaded on > >my broadband directly from the internet. Try doing that on a hardware > >sampler! I used to spend days building libraries. Now I spend minutes or > >seconds. -Jer Do you do that with EXS24, in 1 minute?? I can imagine doing that with Battery of DR008, but not with EXS. Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron Jer wrote: > >That is not the only thing. How about building a full keyboard of > >chromatically-mapped samples in about 1 minute, from samples downloaded on > >my broadband directly from the internet. Try doing that on a hardware > >sampler! I used to spend days building libraries. Now I spend minutes or > >seconds. -Jer Do you do that with EXS24, in 1 minute?? I can imagine doing that with Battery of DR008, but not with EXS. > > > > > From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> > > > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:14:44 +0100 > > > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > > > > >> I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and > > >> Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample > > >> anything. > > > > > > The only real advantage of virtuals in software is that can't be > >achieved > > > with midi driven modules is the sample accurate timing. Not important > >for > > > all musical styles but very important when you're programming real tight
> > > beats. > > > > > > Eppo Schaap > > > Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica > > > www.galbatron.com > > > music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chatta med v\ufffdnner online, prova MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.se > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2002-01-09 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
Yes!
> From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:27:08 +0100 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > Do you do that with EXS24, in 1 minute?? I can imagine doing that with > Battery of DR008, but not with EXS.
2002-01-11 by roman pirie
This is an interesting point for me. I have been told by many akai listers that loading a sampler up with CDROMs will kill any sound module. Well I can honestly say that with over 100 CDROMS and my EXS24 and 360Mgs of RAM, I never use the EXS24 for sounds. I use my 32Mgs Korg TR-Rack and my Nord Lead 2. My call to all unbiased objective honest musicians: Why don't samplers loaded with cdroms sound any good? They are using 100's more Mgs per sound. CDROM's are stink. Little sound modules are good. When I used my Akai CD3000XL I could use the excuse that loading sounds up from CDROm was a fucking hassle but now with the EXS24 it's almost as easy as using a sound module. But not quite. Using my TR-Rack with the sound names loaded into Logic is sooo easy. I use Battery for drums because I love sampling my own hip hop vinyl, reggae drums etc. It's wicked. Why don't samplers live up to the promise? FRUSTRATION. Do I need to go and spend a few thousand on a Roland JV5080 fully loaded to satisfy my sounds cravings??? Please tell me I'm wrong! Peace. PS, I got Ultimate piano CDROM, 100's of megs, sound like SHIT. My TR-Rack 0.5 Mg piano is waay better???
> From: "Alvaro Villalobos" <logicuser2001@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:33:15 +0100 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > And I can bet you Eppo you wont be using your Emu as I use EXS in ten years > I can bet you! > > Best regards, > > Alvaro Villalobos. > > >> From: <HELP@...> >> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:05:10 -0500 >> >> That is not the only thing. How about building a full keyboard of >> chromatically-mapped samples in about 1 minute, from samples downloaded on >> my broadband directly from the internet. Try doing that on a hardware >> sampler! I used to spend days building libraries. Now I spend minutes or >> seconds. -Jer >> >>> From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> >>> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:14:44 +0100 >>> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >>> >>>> I'd rather spend $2000 on a Emu Mophatt module than $1000 on an EXS and >>>> Battery. No CPU load, better sounds, resale value, no need to sample >>>> anything. >>> >>> The only real advantage of virtuals in software is that can't be >> achieved >>> with midi driven modules is the sample accurate timing. Not important >> for >>> all musical styles but very important when you're programming real tight >>> beats. >>> >>> Eppo Schaap >>> Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica >>> www.galbatron.com >>> music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chatta med vänner online, prova MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.se > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2002-01-11 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> > >This is an interesting point for me. I have been told by many akai listers >that loading a sampler up with CDROMs will kill any sound module. Well I can >honestly say that with over 100 CDROMS and my EXS24 and 360Mgs of RAM, I >never use the EXS24 for sounds. I use my 32Mgs Korg TR-Rack and my Nord Lead >2. > You have to use the machines for the things they're meant for. You can't expect EXS to replace a virtual analog synth. EXS can replace a sound module IF you have the right CD's that are _well-programmed_. Finding CD's with sounds is easy. Finding well-programmed CD's that makes use of most of the features of a sampler are much harder to find. That's where sound modules have an advantage: their ROM soundset is fixed within the synth, which means it only has to be compatible with the synth parameters of that synth. This means a lot of time can be put in programming the sounds to make optimal use of the synth's parameters. I have a couple of sample CD's which are great, e.g. I have a CD with guitar sounds that beats any soundmodule. However, I haven't found enough well-programmed sample libraries yet to cover all instruments a sound module covers. So for the time being: >Do I need to go and spend a few thousand on a Roland JV5080 fully loaded to >satisfy my sounds cravings??? > Depending on your needs, this might be the case. >PS, I got Ultimate piano CDROM, 100's of megs, sound like SHIT. My TR-Rack >0.5 Mg piano is waay better??? > Well, I don't know that particular CD, but I still think it's a strange statement. I'd expect it to be the other way around. -- Belway Productions
2002-01-11 by roman pirie
>> This is an interesting point for me. I have been told by many akai listers >> that loading a sampler up with CDROMs will kill any sound module. Well I can >> honestly say that with over 100 CDROMS and my EXS24 and 360Mgs of RAM, I >> never use the EXS24 for sounds. I use my 32Mgs Korg TR-Rack and my Nord Lead >> 2. >> > You have to use the machines for the things they're meant for. You can't > expect EXS to replace a virtual analog synth. I do not expect the EXS24 to replace a virtual analog of course. But both the TR-Rack and CDROM's in the EXS24 are sample playback of multisamples to create usable instruments. Why can't CDROM's sound usable? > EXS can replace a sound module IF you have the right CD's that are > _well-programmed_. > Finding CD's with sounds is easy. Finding well-programmed CD's that > makes use of most of the features of a sampler are much harder to find. Name some titles please. I think you are still referring to the virtual synth comparison. Sample playback is not that complicated. I don't think the TR-Rack does anything special. The sounds are well produced though. > That's where sound modules have an advantage: their ROM soundset is > fixed within the synth, which means it only has to be compatible with > the synth parameters of that synth. This means a lot of time can be put > in programming the sounds to make optimal use of the synth's parameters. All the CDROM's I loaded into my CD3000XL (sounded crappy) were only basic multisamples. Are there CDrom libraries that use sampler parameters well. I didn't think it was that necessary or even used for stuff like pianos. You wouldn't really use a filter on most instruments. > I have a couple of sample CD's which are great, e.g. I have a CD with > guitar sounds that beats any soundmodule. However, I haven't found > enough well-programmed sample libraries yet to cover all instruments a > sound module covers. So for the time being: What titles? Which instruments are covered? >> Do I need to go and spend a few thousand on a Roland JV5080 fully loaded to >> satisfy my sounds cravings??? >> > Depending on your needs, this might be the case. > I listen to songs old and new and want certain sounds I hear in my sound library. Like a piano from a particular reggae song (probably a DX7) or a pad etc etc. It would be a dream to be able to buy sample libraries of these sounds instead of hunting down and filling up ergonomic studio space with an old keyboard. I presume that most of the time having the real thing gives you editing potential that having a multisample doesn't give. I'm frustrated because my old MS20 sounds really good for fat synth bass but is non midi and my Nord Lead 2 is midi but doesn't have the pleasing fat distortion etc. Maybe putting the nord through something would help. I could get a kenton midi cv thingy. Oops I'm thinking aloud now. Please help me with my sounds frustration people.... What do you guys use for sounds. I couldn't find a useable rhodes sound anywhere until I got the EVP88. Apparently the artful dodger 'rewind' song used the JV1080 for the rhodes and it is nice IMHO. SHeez how much memory does a JV1080 have? I crave useable sounds. I still haven't found a way to organise my nords edited patches. Soundiver is difficult to learn IMO. Grumble.
2002-01-11 by Eppo Schaap
>Why don't samplers loaded with cdroms sound any good? >They are using 100's more Mgs per sound. CDROM's are stink. Little sound >modules are good. I do also use synths and ROMplayers for most of my sounds. However I use EXS for better orchestral samples, choir and authentic instruments like Wurlitzer, Crumar, Solina and mellotron (although M-Tron is also quite nice, but that's a sampler too!). I never found *good* orchestral samples in a ROMsynth or modules (no, not even in a Proteus or the Roland Expansion boards). Just try to find a string sound with a real attack for fast repeating passages... Even the new Korg expansion made with sounds from Siedlaczeks orchestral library that had to be compressed like hell to squeeze everything in a 'few' megs, don't sound so much better than any other ROMplayer sounds. Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron
2002-01-11 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
You obviously don't do much of your own kit building. That's cool. I guess the EXS24 isn't useful for you in that case.
> From: roman pirie <romanp@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:06:51 +1300 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler loaded with CDROM's??? > > >>> This is an interesting point for me. I have been told by many akai listers >>> that loading a sampler up with CDROMs will kill any sound module. Well I can >>> honestly say that with over 100 CDROMS and my EXS24 and 360Mgs of RAM, I >>> never use the EXS24 for sounds. I use my 32Mgs Korg TR-Rack and my Nord Lead >>> 2. >>> >> You have to use the machines for the things they're meant for. You can't >> expect EXS to replace a virtual analog synth. > I do not expect the EXS24 to replace a virtual analog of course. But both > the TR-Rack and CDROM's in the EXS24 are sample playback of multisamples to > create usable instruments. Why can't CDROM's sound usable? >> EXS can replace a sound module IF you have the right CD's that are >> _well-programmed_. >> Finding CD's with sounds is easy. Finding well-programmed CD's that >> makes use of most of the features of a sampler are much harder to find. > Name some titles please. > I think you are still referring to the virtual synth comparison. Sample > playback is not that complicated. I don't think the TR-Rack does anything > special. The sounds are well produced though. >> That's where sound modules have an advantage: their ROM soundset is >> fixed within the synth, which means it only has to be compatible with >> the synth parameters of that synth. This means a lot of time can be put >> in programming the sounds to make optimal use of the synth's parameters. > All the CDROM's I loaded into my CD3000XL (sounded crappy) were only basic > multisamples. Are there CDrom libraries that use sampler parameters well. I > didn't think it was that necessary or even used for stuff like pianos. You > wouldn't really use a filter on most instruments. >> I have a couple of sample CD's which are great, e.g. I have a CD with >> guitar sounds that beats any soundmodule. However, I haven't found >> enough well-programmed sample libraries yet to cover all instruments a >> sound module covers. So for the time being: > What titles? Which instruments are covered? >>> Do I need to go and spend a few thousand on a Roland JV5080 fully loaded to >>> satisfy my sounds cravings??? >>> >> Depending on your needs, this might be the case. >> > I listen to songs old and new and want certain sounds I hear in my sound > library. Like a piano from a particular reggae song (probably a DX7) or a > pad etc etc. It would be a dream to be able to buy sample libraries of these > sounds instead of hunting down and filling up ergonomic studio space with an > old keyboard. I presume that most of the time having the real thing gives > you editing potential that having a multisample doesn't give. I'm frustrated > because my old MS20 sounds really good for fat synth bass but is non midi > and my Nord Lead 2 is midi but doesn't have the pleasing fat distortion etc. > Maybe putting the nord through something would help. I could get a kenton > midi cv thingy. Oops I'm thinking aloud now. Please help me with my sounds > frustration people.... > What do you guys use for sounds. I couldn't find a useable rhodes sound > anywhere until I got the EVP88. Apparently the artful dodger 'rewind' song > used the JV1080 for the rhodes and it is nice IMHO. SHeez how much memory > does a JV1080 have? > I crave useable sounds. I still haven't found a way to organise my nords > edited patches. Soundiver is difficult to learn IMO. > Grumble. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-01-11 by Alvaro Villalobos
Hello Joeri! It seems like you havn\ufffdt heard the Xtrem Analogue from Emagic?? I know people are using the CD as a complement if you don\ufffdt own Roland Matrix 12 for example.. So I\ufffdm not sure about your point Joeri?? And I also wonder if you are not using the EXS for sounds what do U use it for?? I only use my EXS for sounds and not for having sex with my girlfriend or something like that! *just kidding* Best regards, Alvaro Villalobos. Ps. I have found a free VST piano for some time ago and it sound superb so I\ufffdm not sure that you have to buy everything for using it with Logic. Ds. >From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <belway@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:05:42 +0100 > > > > > > >This is an interesting point for me. I have been told by many akai >listers > >that loading a sampler up with CDROMs will kill any sound module. Well I >can > >honestly say that with over 100 CDROMS and my EXS24 and 360Mgs of RAM, I > >never use the EXS24 for sounds. I use my 32Mgs Korg TR-Rack and my Nord >Lead > >2. > > >You have to use the machines for the things they're meant for. You can't >expect EXS to replace a virtual analog synth. > >EXS can replace a sound module IF you have the right CD's that are >_well-programmed_. >Finding CD's with sounds is easy. Finding well-programmed CD's that >makes use of most of the features of a sampler are much harder to find. >That's where sound modules have an advantage: their ROM soundset is >fixed within the synth, which means it only has to be compatible with >the synth parameters of that synth. This means a lot of time can be put >in programming the sounds to make optimal use of the synth's parameters. > >I have a couple of sample CD's which are great, e.g. I have a CD with >guitar sounds that beats any soundmodule. However, I haven't found >enough well-programmed sample libraries yet to cover all instruments a >sound module covers. So for the time being: > > >Do I need to go and spend a few thousand on a Roland JV5080 fully loaded >to > >satisfy my sounds cravings??? > > >Depending on your needs, this might be the case. > > >PS, I got Ultimate piano CDROM, 100's of megs, sound like SHIT. My >TR-Rack > >0.5 Mg piano is waay better??? > > >Well, I don't know that particular CD, but I still think it's a strange >statement. I'd expect it to be the other way around. > > >-- >Belway Productions > > > _________________________________________________________________ Kom med i v\ufffdrldens st\ufffdrsta e-posttj\ufffdnst; MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com/sv
2002-01-11 by Alvaro Villalobos
I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds one of the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! But there are tons of FREE VST-instruments all over the net and also soundfonts for free I\ufffdve found Steinberg Grand Piano wich I have used with EXS it\ufffds great but I have also founded free VST-pianos wich sounds even better! So for me I can use VST or EXS how I want the sky is the limit!! The best, Alvaro Villalobos. >From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:45:55 +0100 > > >Why don't samplers loaded with cdroms sound any good? > >They are using 100's more Mgs per sound. CDROM's are stink. Little sound > >modules are good. > >I do also use synths and ROMplayers for most of my sounds. However I use >EXS >for better orchestral samples, choir and authentic instruments like >Wurlitzer, Crumar, Solina and mellotron (although M-Tron is also quite >nice, >but that's a sampler too!). I never found *good* orchestral samples in a >ROMsynth or modules (no, not even in a Proteus or the Roland Expansion >boards). Just try to find a string sound with a real attack for fast >repeating passages... Even the new Korg expansion made with sounds from >Siedlaczeks orchestral library that had to be compressed like hell to >squeeze everything in a 'few' megs, don't sound so much better than any >other ROMplayer sounds. > >Eppo Schaap >Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica >www.galbatron.com >music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron > _________________________________________________________________ Kom med i v\ufffdrldens st\ufffdrsta e-posttj\ufffdnst; MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com/sv
2002-01-11 by Eli Krantzberg
roman pirie wrote: > Well I can > honestly say that with over 100 CDROMS and > [SNIP] > Do I need to go and spend a few thousand on a Roland JV5080 fully loaded to > satisfy my sounds cravings??? If you've shelled out all that money on those sample CDs, what's a few grand more for the 5080. Think of it as getting an additional 10 CDs or so of great sounds. It would be the equivalent of an additional one tenth of what you have spent so far. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
2002-01-11 by David Tobin
> I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it´s one of > the best plugins I have ever heard it´s great!! > > But there are tons of FREE VST-instruments all over the net and also > soundfonts for free I´ve found Steinberg Grand Piano wich I have used with > EXS it´s great but I have also founded free VST-pianos wich sounds even > better! > > So for me I can use VST or EXS how I want the sky is the limit!! Which is the best piano sound that you have heard?
2002-01-11 by Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **
Hiya, >I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it´s one of >the best plugins I have ever heard it´s great!! Wait until you hear the ES2... JR
2002-01-11 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> > >It seems like you havn´t heard the Xtrem Analogue from Emagic?? > I have it and I've been using it quite often. >I know people are using the CD as a complement if you don´t own Roland >Matrix 12 for example.. >So I´m not sure about your point Joeri?? > Have YOU heard it? :) Well, I personally LOVE the XTreme analog CD, it's really great, but it's no Matrix 12! By the way, when did Roland start making Matrix 12's? :-)) XTreme analog is a superb sample CD, but it's still a sample CD, which means it doesn't sound like an analog synth. Virtual analog doesn't sound like analog either to my ears, but that's another discussion (just trying to let you understand my perspective). -- Belway Productions
2002-01-11 by yael
----- Original Message -----
From: Richmond, James (James) ** CTR ** To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: RE: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? Hiya, >I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds one of >the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! ******** From: Richmond, James (James) Wait until you hear the ES2... JR ********** ? Absolutly not the same....I don't understand u'r point here :o) Igor
2002-01-11 by yael
XTreme analog is a superb sample CD, but it's still a sample CD, which means it doesn't sound like an analog synth. Virtual analog doesn't sound like analog either to my ears, but that's another discussion (just trying to let you understand my perspective). -- Belway Productions **** Matrix 12 is not an analog synth too :o) !! Igor .
2002-01-11 by Eppo Schaap
>>I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds one of >>the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! >Wait until you hear the ES2... There are the apples & oranges again... BTW: In Holland we talk about comparing apples & pears :-). Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron
2002-01-11 by Alvaro Villalobos
I cant imagine it sound better than FM 7!! But time will tell and I hope to see it soon! Best regards, Alvaro Villalobos. >From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:16:11 -0000 > >Hiya, > > >I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds one >of > >the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! > >Wait until you hear the ES2... > >JR > _________________________________________________________________ Chatta med v\ufffdnner online, prova MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.se
2002-01-11 by Alvaro Villalobos
Well that\ufffds hard to say I mean I even like the sound of the Roland U-piano and a lot of people think it\ufffds crap but I\ufffdm doing house music and shitty sound is not something to forget about it can sound really good to use sounds that are not always like the real thing like I said I even like the sound of the cheesy pianos and not always a Steinway piano but that\ufffds own personal opinion! Best regards, Alvaro Villalobos. >From: David Tobin <wowandflutter@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:38:05 +0000 > > > I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds one >of > > the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! > > > > But there are tons of FREE VST-instruments all over the net and also > > soundfonts for free I\ufffdve found Steinberg Grand Piano wich I have used >with > > EXS it\ufffds great but I have also founded free VST-pianos wich sounds even > > better! > > > > So for me I can use VST or EXS how I want the sky is the limit!! > >Which is the best piano sound that you have heard? > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos \ufffdr det enklaste s\ufffdttet att dela ut och skriva ut foton: http://photos.msn.se/Support/WorldWide.aspx
2002-01-11 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
Absynth is also amazing for a synth. Sounds as unique and powerful as any outboard synth. I want to learn to program it (I don't use arp presets very often. I like to build my own in Logic).
> From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:16:11 -0000 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > Hiya, > >> I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it´s one > of >> the best plugins I have ever heard it´s great!! > > Wait until you hear the ES2... > > JR > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-01-11 by HELP@MusicBootCamp.com
I know what you mean. The free VST Piano is VERY good for that exact kind of thing.
> From: "Alvaro Villalobos" <logicuser2001@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:19:24 +0100 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > Well that´s hard to say I mean I even like the sound of the Roland U-piano > and a lot of people think it´s crap but I´m doing house music and shitty > sound is not something to forget about it can sound really good to use > sounds that are not always like the real thing like I said I even like the > sound of the cheesy pianos and not always a Steinway piano but that´s own > personal opinion! > > Best regards, > > Alvaro Villalobos. > > >> From: David Tobin <wowandflutter@...> >> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:38:05 +0000 >> >>> I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it´s one >> of >>> the best plugins I have ever heard it´s great!! >>> >>> But there are tons of FREE VST-instruments all over the net and also >>> soundfonts for free I´ve found Steinberg Grand Piano wich I have used >> with >>> EXS it´s great but I have also founded free VST-pianos wich sounds even >>> better! >>> >>> So for me I can use VST or EXS how I want the sky is the limit!! >> >> Which is the best piano sound that you have heard? >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos är det enklaste sättet att dela ut och skriva ut foton: > http://photos.msn.se/Support/WorldWide.aspx > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-01-11 by sorenrv
Hi Roman and all This is a most interesting thread and kept on a very civilized level. --- In exs-users@y..., roman pirie <romanp@x> wrote: > Why don't samplers loaded with cdroms sound any good? Here is an attempt to answer this question. It sounds to me as if too many sample CDROM programmers are occupied with comparing the samples to the original recordings they have spent huge amounts of effort recording. Therefore playability isn't their top priority. Whereas the synth module programmers don't care how true their presets are to any given sound source. They go for something that plays darned well, at least the good ones. Furthermore they have one or several digital effects that become part of each preset whereas you receive the sample CDROM's as pure as they can get and therefore you have to spent time and effort adding the effect dimension yourself. Doesn't this make just a bit sense? On a different note sample CDROMs come in many flavours. The ones you critisize are just one kind, the ones that emulate a real instrument (let's call an analog synth that as well, okay?). What about Eric Persings weird rhythmic soundscapes and his Groove Control? What about loop CDROMs and construction kits? To conclude I tend to agree with you that sample CDROMs that attempt to sound like a "real" instrument are often unrewarding when played from a keyboard and the above is my feeble attempt to try and explain why that could be. When that is said I have experience several sample CDROMs of real instruments that I have enjoyed playing better than the comparable presets in my JV1010 and my Ensoniq MR61. Examples: Several CDROMs with recorded drumkits one of which is Groove Masters' played my Danish drummer Mads Michelsen. Groove Masters' bass guitar CDROM played by Danish bass player Jon Bruland. The Prosamples Steinway Grand Piano 128MB or 256MB definitely sounds and plays better than any of the pianos in my synth modules. And finally Xtreme Analog is simply amazing as an analogish synth library. Kind regards, Soren Riis-Vestergaard
2002-01-12 by Moreno RENGA
> >>I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds one > of > >>the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! > > >Wait until you hear the ES2... > > There are the apples & oranges again... > > BTW: In Holland we talk about comparing apples & pears :-). Naaaaaaaa!!! KIWIs RULES!!! !!! !!! =: D Moreno
> Eppo Schaap > Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica > www.galbatron.com > music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron >
2002-01-13 by Colin Shapiro
>I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it´s one of >the best plugins I have ever heard it´s great!! I agree here. I just got mine and it's awesome - like a DX7 on steroids. But there's no real point in comparing. It depends on what you like and need. I'll take one of each please..... Or, as the Buddhist said to the hotdog vendor: Make me one with everything! :-) Regards - Colin
2002-01-14 by c_can@gmx.de
Emu will show emulator soft at namm, a fully featured E4 ultra sampler for mac /pc. seems interesting, because although exs24 made me sell my beloved e6400 ultra, sometimes i miss the features back in the emu days: filters, beatmunching, modulationmatrix and at least reading my emu cds. otherwise this will be hopefully a hint for emagic for updating the exs 24 with some essential features. regards, c_can
2002-01-14 by Alvaro Villalobos
And where can we see KIWIs?? Please send me the link for it! I got to check it out if U say it\ufffds better than the one from NI because I think their stuff is great and they work really good for me I use FM 7 and B 4 and I won\ufffdt change them for nothing not even KIWIs!! Best regards, Alvaro Villalobos. >From: "Moreno RENGA" <digital.ine@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:08 +0100 > > > > >>I use the FM 7 from Native Instruments and I can tell you guys it\ufffds >one > > of > > >>the best plugins I have ever heard it\ufffds great!! > > > > >Wait until you hear the ES2... > > > > There are the apples & oranges again... > > > > BTW: In Holland we talk about comparing apples & pears :-). > >Naaaaaaaa!!! KIWIs RULES!!! !!! !!! =: D > >Moreno > > > Eppo Schaap > > Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica > > www.galbatron.com > > music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Kom med i v\ufffdrldens st\ufffdrsta e-posttj\ufffdnst; MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com/sv
2002-01-14 by Muhammed Paul
Muhammed Paul Newtown Music Am Deich 68/69 28199 Bremen Germany http://www.newtown-music.de mailto:muhammed@... > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Alvaro Villalobos [mailto:logicuser2001@...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2002 13:30 > An: exs-users@...m > Betreff: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > Hello Joeri! > > It seems like you havn´t heard the Xtrem Analogue from Emagic?? > > I know people are using the CD as a complement if you don´t own Roland > Matrix 12 for example.. > Nobody in this world owns a Roland Matrix 12. Allthough some are lucky enough to own an Oberheim Matrix 12 ;) Cheers, Muhammed
2002-01-14 by Alvaro Villalobos
Whatever! >From: "Muhammed Paul" <muhammed@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: AW: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:53:44 +0100 > > > >Muhammed Paul >Newtown Music >Am Deich 68/69 >28199 Bremen Germany >http://www.newtown-music.de >mailto:muhammed@... > > > > -----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Alvaro Villalobos [mailto:logicuser2001@...] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2002 13:30 > > An: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: Re: [exs] Can EXS24 replace a hardware sampler? > > > > Hello Joeri! > > > > It seems like you havn\ufffdt heard the Xtrem Analogue from Emagic?? > > > > I know people are using the CD as a complement if you don\ufffdt own Roland > > Matrix 12 for example.. > > >Nobody in this world owns a Roland Matrix 12. Allthough some are lucky >enough to own an Oberheim Matrix 12 ;) > >Cheers, >Muhammed > _________________________________________________________________ Chatta med v\ufffdnner online, prova MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.se
2002-01-21 by fer3
Someone have some information about it ? Or was it just a rumor ? regards Francois c_can@... a *crit :
> Emu will show emulator soft at namm, a fully featured E4 ultra sampler > for mac /pc. > seems interesting, because although exs24 made me sell my beloved e6400 > ultra, sometimes i miss the features back in the emu days: > filters, beatmunching, modulationmatrix and at least reading my emu cds. > > otherwise this will be hopefully a hint for emagic for updating the exs > 24 with some essential features. > > regards, c_can > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-21 by c_can@gmx.de
Am Montag den, 21. Januar 2002, um 12:24, schrieb fer3: > Someone have some information about it ? > Or was it just a rumor Not just a rumor, although there is not much information yet. see: http://www.emulatorarchive.com/Samplers/ESoftOverview/esoftoverview.html http://www.kvr-vst.com/index.php http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=610 ciao, c_can [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]