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stylus is about the coolest vst doohickie (technical term) i've yet 
used, totally slamming, phat mofo, wicked and happenin...

it's also very very good :-)

ti-book, logic5, es2, stylus....can life get any better?
***************
can u be more precise ! :o))
stable, dynamic ? etc...
thx

Igor

--- In exs-users@y..., "yael" <yael@n...> wrote:
> 
> stylus is about the coolest vst doohickie (technical term) i've yet 
> used, totally slamming, phat mofo, wicked and happenin...
> 
> it's also very very good :-)
> 
> ti-book, logic5, es2, stylus....can life get any better?
> ***************
> can u be more precise ! :o))
> stable, dynamic ? etc...
> thx
------

well, i only got it today! i've been lost in percussive nirvana for 
hours :-) it seems rock solid as far as i can tell so far...i have 
noticed a nasty lag in certain refresh situations - for instance if i 
have five instances of it in one song then there's a much longer 
wait for the song to load than usual (by this i mean that five of 
them are loaded in logic but greyed out/inactive)...BUT....once it's 
loaded the program changes within stylus itself is very fast...yay! 
a bunch of samples that only takes seconds to load in logic, now 
that's what i call progress!! the interface itself is very clean, very 
useful, and the cpu load looks about as small as the exs....

more later

andy

well, i only got it today! i've been lost in percussive nirvana for 
hours :-) it seems rock solid as far as i can tell so far...i have 
noticed a nasty lag in certain refresh situations - for instance if i 
have five instances of it in one song then there's a much longer 
wait for the song to load than usual (by this i mean that five of 
them are loaded in logic but greyed out/inactive)...BUT....once it's 
loaded the program changes within stylus itself is very fast...yay! 
a bunch of samples that only takes seconds to load in logic, now 
that's what i call progress!! the interface itself is very clean, very 
useful, and the cpu load looks about as small as the exs....
more later
andy

*****
Thx andy....
More later then :o)
igor

> stylus is about the coolest vst doohickie (technical term) i've yet
> used, totally slamming, phat mofo, wicked and happenin...
> 
> it's also very very good :-)
> 
> ti-book, logic5, es2, stylus....can life get any better?

After re-reading Spectrasonic's online description, I can see how this could
boost productivity on jobs that require very quick turn-around. You've got
me thinking... Jer

I totally agree with you guys how much motr synths do we need and don\ufffdt we 
love them all???

I would like to know more about the one you are talking about guys where 
exactly is it and is it released?? Is Stylus the name for it??

The best,

Alvaro Villalobos.




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>I would like to know more about the one you are talking about guys where
>exactly is it and is it released?? Is Stylus the name for it??

It's the first of three new instruments by the revered Mr Persing of 
Spectrasonics.
http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/index.html

Regards - Colin

--- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote:
> > noticed a nasty lag in certain refresh situations - for instance 
if i
> > have five instances of it in one song then there's a much 
longer
> > wait for the song to load than usual (by this i mean that five of
> > them are loaded in logic but greyed out/inactive)...BUT....once 
it's
> 
> How much longer is the initial startup wait? 30 secs? A minute 
or more?

well, so far it's averaging out around 43 years.

ok, i did a very rough testimate....

there's a little b/w spinning disc which has appeared since 
installing stylus, it spins for a bit while loading a song. for each 
instance of stylus it works out around 5 seconds (im just 
counting in my head - 1,2,4,5 - im a musician ya know!) so my 
five instances takes around 25 seconds. this applies whether 
the audio instrument is activated or not. it seems to be 
pre-loading something, which might explain why patch changing 
is so much faster than the exs.

so far the whole thing feels like a more together and faster 
groove control library, which is exactly what it is! the interface 
gives me just the right tools, and no more, which helps with the 
instant gratification factor - always a bit of a bummer with vst's. i 
still have to load midi files for the groove control manually, but 
with logic set up for it that process is pretty quick now.

andy

pssst...wanna buy a hacked version for five bux?

just as well eric persing doesnt read this list huh!

> noticed a nasty lag in certain refresh situations - for instance if i
> have five instances of it in one song then there's a much longer
> wait for the song to load than usual (by this i mean that five of
> them are loaded in logic but greyed out/inactive)...BUT....once it's

How much longer is the initial startup wait? 30 secs? A minute or more?

Wow is saw the demo today and I must say it looks sooo cool!!!

Does anyone know when it\ufffds going to be released for PC??

And please you guys who use it how good is it really???

Mr Eric if you see this please let me know when it\ufffds released for PC!!

The best to you all!!!

Alvaro Villalobos.





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Cool Andy....geez you had me freaked there in the beginning!!

Glad you're digging it!

-EP

In a message dated 4/23/02 6:29:15 PM, ythan@... writes:

>dont buy it! its awful, crashed my mac, erased my hd, and 
>caused me to only be able to write cheesy 70's disco retreads 
>(hmmm, i'll probably be having hits then....)
>
>thats that sorted then. now i can get on with being the only 
>person around with the funkiest vst since they began.
>
>stylus is about the coolest vst doohickie (technical term) i've yet 
>used, totally slamming, phat mofo, wicked and happenin...
>
>it's also very very good :-)
>
>ti-book, logic5, es2, stylus....can life get any better?
>
>
>andy
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Stylus PC version is in beta now...working really great actually.

Here the link to that page you mentioned Alvaro:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/stylus.html

I've always been a Mac guy, and I have to say that I was pretty stunned at 
how many more virtual instruments you can use on a moderate Windows 
system...it's double or more!!

Dang....guess it's time to start using a PC....

Oh well...life is good.

Nice to see some of you guys digging a non-emagic thing for a change!

-EP
Spectrasonics

In a message dated 4/24/02 5:52:11 PM, logicuser2001@... writes:

>Wow is saw the demo today and I must say it looks sooo cool!!!
>
>
>
>Does anyone know when it´s going to be released for PC??
>
>
>
>And please you guys who use it how good is it really???
>
>
>
>Mr Eric if you see this please let me know when it´s released for PC!!
>
>
>
>The best to you all!!!
>
>
>
>Alvaro Villalobos.

<PersingEP@...> wrote:
> Stylus PC version is in beta now...working really great actually.

> Here the link to that page you mentioned Alvaro:

> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/stylus.html

I downloaded some of the demos, and yes, they are very nice, but... of
course they are nothing you couldn't do with other things as well. So the
question for me is *how* that thing works (sorry, I'm still on a 56k connect
so I won't bother with the 20MB movie download). There's nothing better than
some real "hands on" experience (unfortunately I couldn't visit any of your
demos over here, would've liked to say hi and see those things...), so, will
there be a demo version?

> I've always been a Mac guy, and I have to say that I was pretty stunned at
> how many more virtual instruments you can use on a moderate Windows
> system...it's double or more!!

> Dang....guess it's time to start using a PC....

Ah well... I hope this won't start another platform war (I have been through
too much of them), but now that PCs have become pretty much stable if you
configure them properly (but then, even the "Joe Average" PC doesn't seem to
be as bad anymore), there's no other choice if you want raw processing
power. Macs simply can't compete with the power that, say, a 2100+ XP
delivers. Sure, there's rumours about newer and faster Macs, but from what I
know they are quite delayed... and hm, I wouldn't expect them to be exactly
cheap, over here you should be getting 2-3 top notch PCs for the price of
one new Mac (unless it's a Big Mac... HAHAHA, what a great joke... uhm).

Cheers,
Sascha

Your way of expressing these kind of "facts" is an absolutely _perfect_ way
of starting a platform war.
But I forgive you because you are the nicest guy on the list.

Michael  (....and I love my Mac more than you love your PC. haa,haa,haa.)

> Ah well... I hope this won't start another platform war (I have been through
> too much of them), but now that PCs have become pretty much stable if you
> configure them properly (but then, even the "Joe Average" PC doesn't seem to
> be as bad anymore), there's no other choice if you want raw processing
> power. Macs simply can't compete with the power that, say, a 2100+ XP
> delivers. Sure, there's rumours about newer and faster Macs, but from what I
> know they are quite delayed... and hm, I wouldn't expect them to be exactly
> cheap, over here you should be getting 2-3 top notch PCs for the price of
> one new Mac (unless it's a Big Mac... HAHAHA, what a great joke... uhm).
> 
> Cheers,
> Sascha

Michael Karlsson wrote:
> Your way of expressing these kind of "facts" is an absolutely _perfect_
way
> of starting a platform war.

Oh well, maybe... but I was just talking about processing power, and
regarding that these are indeed facts (I actually know quite some people
that are thinking about a platform switch just because of it - at least many
of them seem to plan on getting a PC in addition to run softynths and the
likes on it, once there's a reliable VST/VSTi host).
I certainly know about the advances of a Mac system, and I would give a lot
if I could for example get rid of all that bloated M$ crap, but going the
all native route for my own stuff there's not much chance I could do so. I
mean, if I were rich I would *eventually* think about getting a Mac in
addition, and be it for the joy of dealing with a slick OS alone - but I am
not, so I will just build me another PC in the next weeks.
I am actually thinking seriously about getting some Mac laptop one day,
these are still better than PC laptops, especially when it comes to the
internal audio card which you can actually use to play virtual instruments -
no chance on any PC laptop unless you invest in an extra audio interface - I
have an EMI 2|6 allready, but I was just amazed when I was jamming with some
keyboarder last week, he just had his powerbook and some USB keyboard, that
was like the fastest setup ever, two cables and there you go!
Anyways, this is going to be too much OT and believe me, I really don't care
which machines and platforms people are using and I'm nothing like an "you
need to buy a PC" advocate either - so I better stop now.

> But I forgive you because you are the nicest guy on the list.

Thanks for the flowers *blush*.

Cheers,
Sascha

as regards MAC laptops v PCs etc etc
 
I changed from PC and PC laptop live on stage and in the studio to
 
i-book with AMT8 and EMi 2/6 - etc - 
 
its the smallest spec i-book (white one) and it is sex in a box - touch wood
it does everything I need and reliable as hell - although since going to 5.1
and logic control I've had more crashed in a week than I've had since having
it since last October!!
 
I've been thinking about moving towards a USB keyboard for sequencing on the
move (anybody any exp of this and can suggest models?) - also a pain though
that I don't want to cart around a USB hub!!!
 
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Sascha Franck [mailto:saschafranck@...]
Sent: 25 April 2002 10:54
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] Spectrasonics Stylus


Michael Karlsson wrote:
> Your way of expressing these kind of "facts" is an absolutely _perfect_
way
> of starting a platform war.

Oh well, maybe... but I was just talking about processing power, and
regarding that these are indeed facts (I actually know quite some people
that are thinking about a platform switch just because of it - at least many
of them seem to plan on getting a PC in addition to run softynths and the
likes on it, once there's a reliable VST/VSTi host).
I certainly know about the advances of a Mac system, and I would give a lot
if I could for example get rid of all that bloated M$ crap, but going the
all native route for my own stuff there's not much chance I could do so. I
mean, if I were rich I would *eventually* think about getting a Mac in
addition, and be it for the joy of dealing with a slick OS alone - but I am
not, so I will just build me another PC in the next weeks.
I am actually thinking seriously about getting some Mac laptop one day,
these are still better than PC laptops, especially when it comes to the
internal audio card which you can actually use to play virtual instruments -
no chance on any PC laptop unless you invest in an extra audio interface - I
have an EMI 2|6 allready, but I was just amazed when I was jamming with some
keyboarder last week, he just had his powerbook and some USB keyboard, that
was like the fastest setup ever, two cables and there you go!
Anyways, this is going to be too much OT and believe me, I really don't care
which machines and platforms people are using and I'm nothing like an "you
need to buy a PC" advocate either - so I better stop now.

> But I forgive you because you are the nicest guy on the list.

Thanks for the flowers *blush*.

Cheers,
Sascha


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Joe Moretti wrote:
> I've been thinking about moving towards a USB keyboard for sequencing on
the
> move (anybody any exp of this and can suggest models?) - also a pain
though
> that I don't want to cart around a USB hub!!!

Well, I don't know about the quality you're looking for, but I can just tell
you NOT to buy any M-Audio USB keyboard. I had to demo Logic for one week,
and because of the small space I had to use their Oxygen8 - whatta crappy
thing! After two days the pitchbender wasn't working properly anymore, their
drivers constantly crashed (I was using a PC, but anyways...) and the
pitchbender even used some weird datathinning, so any bending range above
the usual wholetone was just resulting in steppy sounds.
I think the Roland USB keyboards are not bad, at least they have reasonable
keys. Then there's the Evolution ones, but I only know the cheap models
which I wouldn't recommend either, maybe their latest top models are better.

And RE the USB hub: Time to get the new EMI 6|2 perhaps... it comes with two
additional USB slots, you can switch the S/PDIF I/O to MIDI I/O (what a nice
idea!), and you could even use it as a mixer for external stuff, hardware
monitoring with Logic only handling the volumes seems to work brilliant with
the EMIs. Not to forget the fact that with 6 ins one can at least achieve
reasonable results when reording drums for demos and the likes.

Regards,
Sascha

Yes Eric this time you really got me that VST-instrument is the coolest 
groove kind of thing I have seen I\ufffdve been using DR-008 for a while but what 
I really need and want is Stylus!

I really hope that the beta version will be ready soon I can\ufffdt wait to put 
some cash for that it sounds and looks awesome and I must say I was 
surprised to see Spectrasonics coming with such a product I have never 
bought your Sample CD\ufffds but everyone who have mentioned them here seems to 
like them a lot that means your products are very HOT indeed!!

I want STYLUS now and I can\ufffdt wait much more specially when there now is 
Absynth, ES 2, EVOC 20 and all the other great products from our best 
product makers!

I really hope the Swedish distributor will take Stylus into their shop 
otherwise I\ufffdll have to to buy it somewhere else on this planet!!

Thanks for your help Eric and I really hope the best in the development in 
the rest of your projects and products!!

The best,

Alvaro Villalobos.

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Too bad you couldn't come to the demos Sascha...we had a lot of stunned folks 
at the workshops:-)

Find someone with a broadband connection and watch the video...it's much 
better than trying to explain how fast, easy and powerful it is to work with.

Should start to show up in the German shops next week (selected ones at 
least).

-EP

In a message dated 4/25/02 5:06:16 AM, logicuser2001@... writes:

>Thanks for your help Eric and I really hope the best in the development
>in 
>
>the rest of your projects and products!!


Thanks Alvaro!

PC beta is in progress and going VERY well.

-EP

So if you are so happy how come you bother to even care????

The best,

Alvaro Villalobos.


>From: <HELP@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Spectrasonics Stylus
>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:16:08 -0500
>
> >> be as bad anymore), there's no other choice if you want raw processing
> >> power. Macs simply can't compete with the power that, say, a 2100+ XP
>
>This is a baseless statement. There is much (besides the processor rating)
>that affects speed/power. Also Macs excel in hardware expansion (no IRQ
>numbers to mess with). No platform is really "better" than another. It's a
>matter of taste. I prefer the Mac for music, graphics and video, but it's 
>no
>reason for me to brag about it. Some people flat out love Windows. They 
>like
>their start menu, they love everything about it. More power to you, I say.
>I'm happy in my world too. -Jer
>




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HELP@... wrote:

>>>be as bad anymore), there's no other choice if you want raw processing
>>>power. Macs simply can't compete with the power that, say, a 2100+ XP
>>>      
>>>
>
>This is a baseless statement. There is much (besides the processor rating)
>that affects speed/power. Also Macs excel in hardware expansion (no IRQ
>numbers to mess with). No platform is really "better" than another. It's a
>matter of taste. I prefer the Mac for music, graphics and video, but it's no
>reason for me to brag about it. Some people flat out love Windows. They like
>their start menu, they love everything about it. More power to you, I say.
>I'm happy in my world too. -Jer
>  
>
I missed the thread (I thought the subject line would reflect the 
content of the mail, but apparently it doesn't.
If this turns into a platform war, then I'll moderate people 
immediately. This has been an excellent list so far, I suggest we keep 
it this way.

Bye,
Joeri

-- 
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

>> be as bad anymore), there's no other choice if you want raw processing
>> power. Macs simply can't compete with the power that, say, a 2100+ XP

This is a baseless statement. There is much (besides the processor rating)
that affects speed/power. Also Macs excel in hardware expansion (no IRQ
numbers to mess with). No platform is really "better" than another. It's a
matter of taste. I prefer the Mac for music, graphics and video, but it's no
reason for me to brag about it. Some people flat out love Windows. They like
their start menu, they love everything about it. More power to you, I say.
I'm happy in my world too. -Jer

Ahh, ok then. -Jer

> I certainly know about the advances of a Mac system, and I would give a lot
> if I could for example get rid of all that bloated M$ crap, but going the
> all native route for my own stuff there's not much chance I could do so. I
> mean, if I were rich I would *eventually* think about getting a Mac in
> addition, and be it for the joy of dealing with a slick OS alone - but I am
> not, so I will just build me another PC in the next weeks.
> I am actually thinking seriously about getting some Mac laptop one day,
> these are still better than PC laptops, especially when it comes to the
> internal audio card which you can actually use to play virtual instruments -
> no chance on any PC laptop unless you invest in an extra audio interface - I
> have an EMI 2|6 allready, but I was just amazed when I was jamming with some
> keyboarder last week, he just had his powerbook and some USB keyboard, that
> was like the fastest setup ever, two cables and there you go!
> Anyways, this is going to be too much OT and believe me, I really don't care
> which machines and platforms people are using and I'm noth

> So if you are so happy how come you bother to even care????

In the interest of list harmony, I'm not going to continue on this line of
thought. -Jer

So why did you even mention it???

If your happy with your system do you care if I can get 20 more platinum 
reverbs just because I own a P4??

If Eric said he felt the PC is good it\ufffds a fact isn\ufffdt it??

Anyway I have no intention of hard feeling but like I said if someone is 
happy with something ot feel it\ufffds good why try to change that opinion??

Have a jolly good weekend!!

Alvaro Villalobos.

Anyway like I said before I don\ufffdt care at alla about what\ufffds best and 
what\ufffds>From: <HELP@...>
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>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Spectrasonics Stylus
>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:57:09 -0500
>
> > So if you are so happy how come you bother to even care????
>
>In the interest of list harmony, I'm not going to continue on this line of
>thought. -Jer
>




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Sorry for the OT post but Stylus was mentioned here before and the 
revered Mr Persing walks these halls......

I was told this by Spectrasonics and it might help other users:
You can see the name of the sample in the Groove Menus by
OPTION-clicking the name display in Zone Edit after you've pressed a key.
 From then on, you'll see each sample's name with an underline.

Hopefully, we'll get a manual soon (Eric - are you listening). I'd 
like to know more about what I'm actually doing with this thing.

Did I mention that Stylus is *AWESOME*  ??
Bravo Spectrasonics!!!

Regards - Colin

PS - I also discovered that <control>-clicking faders and knobs 
"resets" them to a default position.