EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I LOVE Quantum Leap Brass 
(http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=QLBS1), but you 
might find want to also look at the brass and effects Advanced Orchestra 
(http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=BS-97). A 
cheaper-but-no-slouch alternative is XSample's Brass cd 
(http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=BS-244).

Ned

Roland Barrett wrote:

> I'm working on a trumpet ensemble project, and was wondering if anyone could
> recommend a good source for trumpet samples--one that goes beyond the normal
> Bb variety:  specifically, one that might include flugelhorn, piccolo
> trumpet, muted trumpet, etc.  Thanks, everyone!



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       Ned Bouhalassa

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Dear List,

    I am about to start a porject of epic proprtions.  I am scoring a 4 hour
documentary on the history of Russia.  I will be recording some music live,
but a great deal will have to be sampled recreations of tchaikovsky's and
mussorgsky's orchestra's.  I would love some real life reviews of the
available sample libraries.  Have used The Advance Orchestra, and like some
things.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. If you have the time you can
also email me privately at

gary@...

thanks in adavance

gary

If you've got the budget, I would suggest the following:

Garritan Orchestral Strings
Quantum Leap Brass
SAM Horns (just French Horns, but mon dieu, what horns!)
Dan Dean Woodwinds
London Orchestral Percussion

Which Piano? I use the Wizoo grand for EXS - cheaper than The Grand, and 
less taxing on the cpu.

Oh, and of course, you're going to need a choir: Voices of the Apocalypse, 
I suppose... ;-)

garywhirled wrote:

> Dear List,
> 
>     I am about to start a porject of epic proprtions.  I am scoring a 4 hour
> documentary on the history of Russia.  I will be recording some music live,
> but a great deal will have to be sampled recreations of tchaikovsky's and
> mussorgsky's orchestra's.  I would love some real life reviews of the
> available sample libraries.  Have used The Advance Orchestra, and like some
> things.  Any thoughts would be appreciated. If you have the time you can
> also email me privately at




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Thanks Ned I will check these out

gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Ned Bouhalassa
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [exs] Russian Orchestral samples


If you've got the budget, I would suggest the following:

Garritan Orchestral Strings
Quantum Leap Brass
SAM Horns (just French Horns, but mon dieu, what horns!)
Dan Dean Woodwinds
London Orchestral Percussion

Which Piano? I use the Wizoo grand for EXS - cheaper than The Grand, and
less taxing on the cpu.
************

Great choice from Ned, I will choose the exact same setup !
just one thing :
the Garritan seems to be really better on Gigasampler than on another
sampler...
Think about Giga with the garritan, it can be better than a conversion ..

igor

Permettez-moi cette pr\ufffdcision, cher igor ;-) :

If I was a PC user instead of a MacHead, I would indeed go with Giga. 
However, I'm too lazy to set-up a whole other computer and learn anothe OS, 
so I have converted the GOS (Garritan) to EXS instruments. Sounds 
dy-no-mite. And now that EXS does Keyswitching, the main thing that is 
missing is the Modwheel crossfade. I suppose the Warm effect can always be 
achieved with EXS's sweet filter.

Ned

yael wrote:

> the Garritan seems to be really better on Gigasampler than on another
> sampler...
> Think about Giga with the garritan, it can be better than a conversion ..
> 
> igor




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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Dear Ned,

Are you using the lite or the full blown giga converted.

gary

Hi Gary,

I have the Garritan full Giga version. The lite version is great, but only 
if you don't need soft and loud strings (it comes with only two velocity 
layers: medium soft and medium loud), many articulations (there must be 5 
or 6 different kinds of pizz!), and you don't have the budget. I tried the 
lite first, and after being thoroughly seduced by the quality (and getting 
a great paying gig!), I bought the full version. Oh, and you also get the 
best sample manual I have ever laid eyes on. And when I think of how much 
the Vitous strings cost... don't get me started!!! :-)

Ned

whirled Music wrote:

> 
> 
> Dear Ned,
> 
> Are you using the lite or the full blown giga converted.
> 
> gary





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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

The Vienna Symphonic Library will be EXS native, perhaps by the end of 
the year. As a reminder, check out:

http://www.vsl.co.at

-Mark
ILIO

----- Original Message -----

From: Ned Bouhalassa

Permettez-moi cette pr\ufffdcision, cher igor ;-) :
If I was a PC user instead of a MacHead, I would indeed go with Giga.
However, I'm too lazy to set-up a whole other computer and learn anothe OS,
so I have converted the GOS (Garritan) to EXS instruments. Sounds
dy-no-mite. And now that EXS does Keyswitching, the main thing that is
missing is the Modwheel crossfade. I suppose the Warm effect can always be
achieved with EXS's sweet filter.
Ned
**********
dear Ned, cher Ned,

the EXS is not able to play the Trap On/Off function available in the
Gigasampler...
This function brings a lot of realism in the string simulation ... a sound
is played when the note is released...

some Garritan prg seems to use it and are programmed in Gigasampler.

I like this function, it is very powerfull for Orchestral simulation, like
for a "Clave\ufffdin" ...
every instrument got a special sounding when a note is stopped.

again today, Gigasampler is more dedicated for Orchestral simulation (
CrossFade, Trap On etc...)
Kontact or EXS are not as powerfull as Giga for the moment, I hope it will
change soon !

Igor

dear Ned,

I forgot to ask, are you using translator or cd extract to convert your giga
samles to exs24??

thanks

gary

the akai conversion in the exs doesnt seem to use the routing parameter of
keyzones in the original akai programm.

is this a missing feature or did i miss a tick?

thanks,
u.

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could someone explain the "selcect by:" parameter for a group to me?
thanks, 
ulf.



(i think the exs needs a online help as well! or is there one i missed?)

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the akai conversion in the exs doesnt seem to use the routing parameter of
keyzones in the original akai programm.

is this a missing feature or did i miss a tick?

thanks,
u.

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wouw, 
uppon searching for a solution here i had a look at the chickensys web page
and checked the demo.
the webpage but also more so the demoe feels very unfinished and beta.
does anyone know if the demo is of a very different version than the sold
software?

and then, (since the demo doesn't actually allow to convert ! ,, they should
rethink here homuch worth is a demo showing a unfinished-ui and gives no
clue about the actual job the program provides),

does anyone know if the translator will convert the keyzones output setting
to the exs instruments output settings ?

thanks again.
ulf.

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I'm using a software called EXS24 - you might have heard of it?   ;-)

Ned

garywhirled wrote:

>   dear Ned,
> 
> I forgot to ask, are you using translator or cd extract to convert your giga
> samles to exs24??
> 
> thanks
> 
> gary



http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

In regards to the Vienna Symphonic Library, I saw on the Mac Music web site
that this library would not be available until 2004, which is quite a ways
off. I would like to know the source of that information at Mac Music but it
is good to not have hopes up that can not be fulfilled for a while.

Regards

Paul Nicholls

> From: Mark Hiskey <mark@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:48:49 -0700
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Russian Orchestral samples
> 
> The Vienna Symphonic Library will be EXS native, perhaps by the end of
> the year. As a reminder, check out:
> 
> http://www.vsl.co.at
> 
> -Mark
> ILIO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to:
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> For a list of places to get free samples please see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>

Sorry, Paul this is incorrect. Vienna Symphonic Library was just shown 
publicly for the first time today at AES in Los Angeles. The first title 
is scheduled for release later this year. 

Best,

Shelly Hiskey
ILIO

>In regards to the Vienna Symphonic Library, I saw on the Mac Music web site
>that this library would not be available until 2004, which is quite a ways
>off. I would like to know the source of that information at Mac Music but it
>is good to not have hopes up that can not be fulfilled for a while.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul Nicholls
>
>> From: Mark Hiskey <mark@...>
>> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:48:49 -0700
>> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [exs] Russian Orchestral samples
>> 
>> The Vienna Symphonic Library will be EXS native, perhaps by the end of
>> the year. As a reminder, check out:
>> 
>> http://www.vsl.co.at
>> 
>> -Mark
>> ILIO
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to:
>> exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>> For a list of places to get free samples please see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to:
>   exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>For a list of places to get free samples please see:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/
>
>
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>

On 10/5/02 10:44 PM, "Shelly Hiskey" <shelly@...> wrote:

> Sorry, Paul this is incorrect. Vienna Symphonic Library was just shown
> publicly for the first time today at AES in Los Angeles. The first title
> is scheduled for release later this year.


Were you there??? How were they???  How much will it cost???  Will this
library have every orchestral instrument sampled separately?  These samples
sound very promising.

Jason

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jason Greenberg 
To: EXS list 
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [exs] Russian Orchestral samples


On 10/5/02 10:44 PM, "Shelly Hiskey" <shelly@...> wrote:

> Sorry, Paul this is incorrect. Vienna Symphonic Library was just shown
> publicly for the first time today at AES in Los Angeles. The first title
> is scheduled for release later this year.

Is it the definitive version at the AES ? or just a small part of it ?
someone mention that a first smaller collection will be released...

igor

>> Sorry, Paul this is incorrect. Vienna Symphonic Library was just shown
>> publicly for the first time today at AES in Los Angeles. The first title
>> is scheduled for release later this year.

Igor asked:
>
>Is it the definitive version at the AES ? or just a small part of it ?
>someone mention that a first smaller collection will be released...



The First Edition, available in November, is 35 gigabytes (!!!) and will 
contain everything you need for a complete orchestral arrangement. The 
price: $1,890.

The Pro Edition, available next year, will add another 36,000 samples and 
cost $3,190. But if you buy the First Edition now, the Pro Edition will 
only cost you $1,090 to upgrade.

-Mark
ILIO

"Mark Hiskey" <mark@...> wrote:

> The First Edition, available in November, is
> 35 gigabytes (!!!) and will contain everything
> you need for a complete orchestral arrangement.

> The Pro Edition, available next year, will add
> another 36,000 samples and cost $3,190.


Altogether now: Bl**dy hell...!!!

Actually, the cost is not too bad when you compare the costs of the other
orchestral libraries out there... too rich for me, though..! :-(

Ben Hall
www.benhall.co.uk

Man, I hope they do a good job on the triangle.

Ned

Mark Hiskey wrote:

> The First Edition, available in November, is
> 35 gigabytes (!!!) and will contain everything
> you need for a complete orchestral arrangement.



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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

At 09:16 PM 10/08/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>"Mark Hiskey" <mark@...> wrote:
>
> > The First Edition, available in November, is
> > 35 gigabytes (!!!) and will contain everything
> > you need for a complete orchestral arrangement.
>
> > The Pro Edition, available next year, will add
> > another 36,000 samples and cost $3,190.
>
>
>Altogether now: Bl**dy hell...!!!

I'll second that!  It may take us as long to organize the library as it did 
for them to produce it!

>Actually, the cost is not too bad when you compare the costs of the other
>orchestral libraries out there... too rich for me, though..! :-(

The "light edition" isn't significantly more than the Siedlazcek library, 
and is roughly four times as large.  The monster version costs 
significantly less than the Miroslav Vitous library, and looks to be at 
least ten times as large.  What a bargain!  I'll take two!

(along with a couple of extra computers)

The First Edition, available in November, is 35 gigabytes (!!!) and will
contain everything you need for a complete orchestral arrangement. The
price: $1,890.

The Pro Edition, available next year, will add another 36,000 samples and
cost $3,190. But if you buy the First Edition now, the Pro Edition will
only cost you $1,090 to upgrade.
-Mark
ILIO
**************

ooo, I always got problems with marketing ! :)

If the Part 2 contain 36.000 samples, how many samples there is in the first
release ?
1.464.000 samples ! !!! ! ! ! !! !!!! !!! !!  !

that's a lot ......

Igor

In a message dated 10/8/02 1:41:06 PM, osr@... writes:

>The "light edition" isn't significantly more than the Siedlazcek library,
>
>and is roughly four times as large.  The monster version costs 
>significantly less than the Miroslav Vitous library, and looks to be at
>
>least ten times as large.  What a bargain!  I'll take two!


According to my math, VSL initial release is over FIFTEEN times the size of 
Siedlaczek Advanced Orchestra.

Siedleczek Advanced Orchestra is five Akai CDs (500mb each), not all the 
discs are full, so it's about a 2 gig collection. VSL's "mini" version is 35 
gigs!

Put's the price into a different perpective eh.....:-)

-EP

In a message dated 10/8/02 1:41:54 PM, ned@... writes:

>Man, I hope they do a good job on the triangle.

That's the thing....the triangle section alone is 20 gigs!

(just kidding....)

-EP

At 09:10 PM 10/08/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 10/8/02 1:41:06 PM, osr@... writes:
>
> >The "light edition" isn't significantly more than the Siedlazcek library,
> >
> >and is roughly four times as large.  The monster version costs
> >significantly less than the Miroslav Vitous library, and looks to be at
> >
> >least ten times as large.  What a bargain!  I'll take two!
>
>
>According to my math, VSL initial release is over FIFTEEN times the size of
>Siedlaczek Advanced Orchestra.
>
>Siedleczek Advanced Orchestra is five Akai CDs (500mb each), not all the
>discs are full, so it's about a 2 gig collection. VSL's "mini" version is 35
>gigs!

Sorry, Eric---I also have the Siedlaczek Upgrade 97 plus the EOS combo 
disk, so my collection is 9 CD's.  (can't have anybody thinking my math is 
that bad!)


>Put's the price into a different perpective eh.....:-)
>
>-EP


You're right.  For anyone doing serious orchestral work, even the full 
version can't be considered overpriced.  This is assuming the library is 
killer, of course.  Big and expensive don't always add up to good.