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making samples

2003-07-05 by mathiaston

Hi everyone, new to this board, I have been recording my own samples 
from my classic keys module , and started with a mellotron sound, 
problem I encounter is finding a loop point of entry and end so I get 
no popping, am using exs24 II and logic 5.5.1 have searched on their 
page , in my books and now on here, some of the samples loop fine, 
but some don't and I know it has something to do with the crossfade 
point, however , I can't quite get it, any ideas???

Re: [EXS] making samples

2003-07-06 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 05-07-2003, mathiaston wrote:

>Hi everyone, new to this board, I have been recording my own samples
>from my classic keys module , and started with a mellotron sound,
>problem I encounter is finding a loop point of entry and end so I get
>no popping, am using exs24 II and logic 5.5.1 have searched on their
>page , in my books and now on here, some of the samples loop fine,
>but some don't and I know it has something to do with the crossfade
>point, however , I can't quite get it, any ideas???

In the EXS editor, switch on the 'loop' parameter for each zone you 
want to loop.  Then click on the 'E' to the right of the loop 
checkbox.  This opens the sample in Logic's Sample Editor, where 
you'll see 'Ls and 'Le' triangles (start and end of loop).  Make sure 
'search zero crossings' is checked in the Sample Editor's menu.  Now 
just try to find good loop points by trial & error, by dragging the 
Ls and Le triangles left or right.  This is just a matter of patience.

It's a pity Logic doesn't have some sort of smart editing feature for 
this.  Back on the Atari I had a piece of software that would left 
you view the loop end and start (in that order) side by side, in 
close-up, so you could make a decent visual guess as to which points 
would be good for looping.  Something like that would come in very 
handy -- or even just the ability to open multiple Sample Editor 
windows with the same file, so you could zoom in on both start & end 
of the loop simultaneously.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

re:making samples

2003-07-06 by mathiaston

thanx, but that is what I have been doin, just can't get it perfect, 
so I opted instead to make the samples 8 sec long, as were the 
original mellotron tapes, I think that will solve my problem, thank 
you  ;-)



On a fine day, 05-07-2003, mathiaston wrote:

>Hi everyone, new to this board, I have been recording my own samples
>from my classic keys module , and started with a mellotron sound,
>problem I encounter is finding a loop point of entry and end so I get
>no popping, am using exs24 II and logic 5.5.1 have searched on their
>page , in my books and now on here, some of the samples loop fine,
>but some don't and I know it has something to do with the crossfade
>point, however , I can't quite get it, any ideas???

In the EXS editor, switch on the 'loop' parameter for each zone you 
want to loop. Then click on the 'E' to the right of the loop 
checkbox. This opens the sample in Logic's Sample Editor, where 
you'll see 'Ls and 'Le' triangles (start and end of loop). Make sure 
'search zero crossings' is checked in the Sample Editor's menu. Now 
just try to find good loop points by trial & error, by dragging the 
Ls and Le triangles left or right. This is just a matter of patience.

It's a pity Logic doesn't have some sort of smart editing feature for 
this. Back on the Atari I had a piece of software that would left 
you view the loop end and start (in that order) side by side, in 
close-up, so you could make a decent visual guess as to which points 
would be good for looping. Something like that would come in very 
handy -- or even just the ability to open multiple Sample Editor 
windows with the same file, so you could zoom in on both start & end 
of the loop simultaneously.

[EXS] re:making samples

2003-07-06 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 06-07-2003, mathiaston wrote:

>thanx, but that is what I have been doin, just can't get it perfect,
>so I opted instead to make the samples 8 sec long, as were the
>original mellotron tapes, I think that will solve my problem, thank
>you  ;-)

Ah, mellotron...  Well, you should definitely _not_ loop a mellotron 
imo.  That spoils the authenticity...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Re: [EXS] making samples

2003-07-07 by Sascha Franck

And while I may agree with Hendrik Jan about looping Mellotron samples (the
original had no loop option either), I also agree that setting up looppoints
is some sort of a pain with Logics Sample Editor. Personally I am using
WaveLab (PC only) for such tasks and I can only say it's simply brilliant,
you will usually find proper looppoints, even in the most complexed wave
files, plus there's a some bunch of other tools allowing for destructive
sample mangling which is often leading to better results.

Anyways, to switch between the right and left loop point I set up two
keycommands for the Sample Edit window: "Goto Selection Start" and "Goto
Selection End" (I'm using Y and X for those, they are right beside each
other on german keyboard layouts). That way I can quickly jump back and
forth between the two, which is giving me some sort of fast visual control.
In addition, for samples not looping properly I'd experiment with a rather
large crossfade value.

Also, talking about Mellotron samples, there's J.P.Hovercrafts rather famous
ones here:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aphex/113/
You can find values for right and left looppoints there (not sure, maybe
they are even included in the wavefile), also, I found the samples to be
pretty useful for some things.

Cheers,
Sascha

Re: [EXS] making samples

2003-07-07 by Murray McDowall

Sascha Franck wrote: 

>
> Anyways, to switch between the right and left loop point I set up two
> keycommands for the Sample Edit window: "Goto Selection Start" and "Goto
> Selection End" (I'm using Y and X for those, they are right beside each
> other on german keyboard layouts). That way I can quickly jump back and
> forth between the two, which is giving me some sort of fast visual control.


Hi Sascha,

Right arrow and left arrow ( cursor keys ) achieve the same thing in the sample
editor.

Regards,
Murray

Re: [EXS] making samples

2003-07-07 by Eli Krantzberg

Sascha Franck wrote:

[snip the entire post]

Sascha dude! Nice to see you back. It's been a long time. I thought 
we had lost you to Cubase long ago!!


-- 
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Re: making samples

2003-07-07 by Mark Cahill

Sascha Franck wrote: (SNIP)

Nice to see you are still around, Sascha, you have been missed!

Kind regards

Mark Cahill

[EXS] How can I have useable copies of samples in another location?

2003-07-11 by Darcy Phillips

I'm using 5.5, and I know the software looks automatically for samples.

Here's what I want to be able to do: I have a large piano sample, let's say,
that streams off disk when I play. Normally I want it to stream off my
external firewire drive. But there are certain instances where I might want
to stream it off my powerbook's internal drive.

How can I set it up so that I have my choice of where those samples are
pulled from? Might the 6.0 project manager help me do this?

Thanks and cheers all! Darcy 


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Re: [EXS] How can I have useable copies of samples in another location?

2003-07-12 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 11-07-2003, Darcy Phillips wrote:

>I'm using 5.5, and I know the software looks automatically for samples.
>
>Here's what I want to be able to do: I have a large piano sample, let's say,
>that streams off disk when I play. Normally I want it to stream off my
>external firewire drive. But there are certain instances where I might want
>to stream it off my powerbook's internal drive.
>
>How can I set it up so that I have my choice of where those samples are
>pulled from? Might the 6.0 project manager help me do this?

Except for the obvious copying/deleting of samples (which is 
cumbersome) only one approach comes to mind (although I'm not sure if 
the PM would be any help here -- havmn't delved into the PM at all 
yet):

For all instruments that you use in this manner, create _two_ sets of 
instruments -- have one set named "instrument (int)" or something. 
Before making the copies, first load all instruments that you want to 
have available from both locations once in the EXS (from the FW 
drive).  The .exs files are now altered (if needed) to point at the 
samples on the FW drive.  Now copy the .exs files to the internal 
drive and rename them as suggested.  Copy the samples to the internal 
drive and disconnect the FW drive.  Load the (int) instruments once: 
the .exs files will now point to the internal drive.  Finally 
reconnect the FW drive.
When you now load a 'normal' instrument, the .exs file will point at 
the FW samples, and when you load a (int) instrument, it'll point at 
the internal samples.  Just remember to never load a FW instrument in 
the EXS when the FW drive is not connected, as this will cause the 
EXS to find the samples on the internal drive and rewrite the .exs 
file.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Re: [EXS] How can I have useable copies of samples in another location?

2003-07-12 by Darcy Phillips

Hendrik,

Quite ingenious! Makes perfect sense now that you put it like that.

Thank you very much! Darcy

on 7/12/03 12:57 AM, Hendrik Jan Veenstra at h@... wrote:

On a fine day, 11-07-2003, Darcy Phillips wrote:

>I'm using 5.5, and I know the software looks automatically for samples.
>
>Here's what I want to be able to do: I have a large piano sample, let's say,
>that streams off disk when I play. Normally I want it to stream off my
>external firewire drive. But there are certain instances where I might want
>to stream it off my powerbook's internal drive.
>
>How can I set it up so that I have my choice of where those samples are
>pulled from? Might the 6.0 project manager help me do this?

Except for the obvious copying/deleting of samples (which is
cumbersome) only one approach comes to mind (although I'm not sure if
the PM would be any help here -- havmn't delved into the PM at all
yet):

For all instruments that you use in this manner, create _two_ sets of
instruments -- have one set named "instrument (int)" or something.
Before making the copies, first load all instruments that you want to
have available from both locations once in the EXS (from the FW
drive).  The .exs files are now altered (if needed) to point at the
samples on the FW drive.  Now copy the .exs files to the internal
drive and rename them as suggested.  Copy the samples to the internal
drive and disconnect the FW drive.  Load the (int) instruments once:
the .exs files will now point to the internal drive.  Finally
reconnect the FW drive.
When you now load a 'normal' instrument, the .exs file will point at
the FW samples, and when you load a (int) instrument, it'll point at
the internal samples.  Just remember to never load a FW instrument in
the EXS when the FW drive is not connected, as this will cause the
EXS to find the samples on the internal drive and rewrite the .exs
file.




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