EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi V,

If you go to  PrimeSounds (http://www.primesounds.com) and type 'claps' in 
the Quick Search, you'll find hundreds of claps that you can audition and 
eventually buy individually...

Good luck!

Ned




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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

OK, I mentioned a few weeks back that I hadn't used the EXS24 cos I 
could hardly get it to work on my system, and threatened to be back with 
specific questions once I'd narrowed my problems down a bit. Well, the 
day has arrived...


When I play my master keyboard, triggering an EXS24, many notes go 
missing, or get stuck, or play at the wrong pitch (often what sounds 
like a couple of octaves too high).

(This also happens when I use an ES P or ES E softsynth.)

But when I record some similar playing, then play it back, it seems to 
be OK.

Is this a Logic/EXS24/Emagic softsynth problem, and therefore normal 
behaviour?

Or does it still sound like a problem somewhere in my system? If so, any 
clues as to where the gremlin(s) might be lurking?

G4/733, 1.5GB RAM, 500MB assigned to Logic 5.5.0, Griffin gPort (serial 
port), MOTU MTP2, Yamaha KX88 master keyboard.

Thanks in advance for any help! I've had the EXS24 for over a year, but 
haven't used it at all because of this problem, so I'll be *RAPT* if 
someone can help me sort it out! =8-)


Cheers,   Bill

On a fine day, 13-12-2003, Bill Canty wrote:

>When I play my master keyboard, triggering an EXS24, many notes go
>missing, or get stuck, or play at the wrong pitch (often what sounds
>like a couple of octaves too high).
>
>(This also happens when I use an ES P or ES E softsynth.)
>
>But when I record some similar playing, then play it back, it seems to
>be OK.
>
>Is this a Logic/EXS24/Emagic softsynth problem, and therefore normal
>behaviour?

This is definitely not normal behaviour.  I've been using the EXS for 
quite some time now, and never encountered anything remotely similar 
to the problems you describe.  Does it only happen with Emagic 
softsynths, or do other softsynths suffer from the same behaviour as 
well?

>Or does it still sound like a problem somewhere in my system? If so, any
>clues as to where the gremlin(s) might be lurking?
>
>G4/733, 1.5GB RAM, 500MB assigned to Logic 5.5.0, Griffin gPort (serial
>port), MOTU MTP2, Yamaha KX88 master keyboard.

Does sound like a system/setup problem, yes.  I wouldn't know what 
can cause it though, sorry...  The most likely cause seems to be the 
serial port/midi-interface combo.  Maybe try to boorow a 
USB-interface from someone and try to see if the problem goes away?

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Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
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This used to happen to me.  I had a MOTU micro express...or something 
like that midi interface.  MOTU quit updating the drivers for it and it 
was like my interface gradually became incompatible with my setup. All 
the note hanging and missing notes that you discribe were totally 
commonplace. Playback was fine.   I switched to an mt4 and all was 
solved.  You might check to make sure you have the latest drivers for 
your MOTU interface.

julie


On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 03:23  AM, Hendrik Jan Veenstra 
wrote:

> On a fine day, 13-12-2003, Bill Canty wrote:
>
> >When I play my master keyboard, triggering an EXS24, many notes go
> >missing, or get stuck, or play at the wrong pitch (often what sounds
> >like a couple of octaves too high).
> >
> >(This also happens when I use an ES P or ES E softsynth.)
> >
> >But when I record some similar playing, then play it back, it seems to
> >be OK.
> >
> >Is this a Logic/EXS24/Emagic softsynth problem, and therefore normal
> >behaviour?
>
> This is definitely not normal behaviour.  I've been using the EXS for
> quite some time now, and never encountered anything remotely similar
> to the problems you describe.  Does it only happen with Emagic
> softsynths, or do other softsynths suffer from the same behaviour as
> well?
>
> >Or does it still sound like a problem somewhere in my system? If so, 
> any
> >clues as to where the gremlin(s) might be lurking?
> >
> >G4/733, 1.5GB RAM, 500MB assigned to Logic 5.5.0, Griffin gPort 
> (serial
> >port), MOTU MTP2, Yamaha KX88 master keyboard.
>
> Does sound like a system/setup problem, yes.  I wouldn't know what
> can cause it though, sorry...  The most likely cause seems to be the
> serial port/midi-interface combo.  Maybe try to boorow a
> USB-interface from someone and try to see if the problem goes away?
>
> --
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/
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Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
> 
> Does it only happen with Emagic  softsynths, or do other
> softsynths suffer from the same behaviour as well?

Dunno. I've been so unimpressed with the whole softsynth thing that I 
haven't bothered to try any others.

These problems don't happen with MIDI synths, though. Except in record 
mode - I get an occasional C-2 note mysteriously added to the sequence 
that I'm recording. Not while I'm just playing though; I can confidently 
say that cos I play, on average, about 90 minutes every day without a 
single glitch.

> The most likely cause seems to be the 
> serial port/midi-interface combo. 

Yeah, that'd be my first guess too.

> Maybe try to boorow a  USB-interface
> from someone and try to see if the problem goes away?

Thanks Hendrik - sounds like a good idea. :-) I'll let you know, but it 
could take a while to organize cos I'm not sure any of my friends have a 
USB interface, so I'll have to talk nicely to the guys at a shop that 
I'm loosely connected with.

Julie Larson wrote:
> This used to happen to me.  I had a MOTU micro express...or something 
> like that midi interface.  MOTU quit updating the drivers for it and it 
> was like my interface gradually became incompatible with my setup. All 
> the note hanging and missing notes that you discribe were totally 
> commonplace. Playback was fine.   I switched to an mt4 and all was 
> solved.  You might check to make sure you have the latest drivers for 
> your MOTU interface.

Thanks Julie - nice to know my problems aren't completely unique! :-)

And MOTU is a common factor here. Hmmmm.

Did you have to install a driver for your Micro Express? The reason I 
ask is that I've never installed a driver of any sort for the MIDI Time 
Piece II. The only software I've ever found for it was a patch editing 
program. I'd always thought the MTP driver was built into Logic, cos the 
multiplexing MIDI thing was something that MOTU got right and therefore 
became a defacto standard.

So *maybe* Logic has moved on and become incompatible with the MTP? I've 
noticed in recent times that if I boot Logic before I turn the MTP on I 
can no longer just go to MIDI Interface Communicatin preferences and 
click on "MTP Cable Mode". This always used to work but now it causes 
MIDI havoc, and once even scrambled the patch memory of the MTP.

Just found an updated driver for the Griffin gPort, though. :-) I'll let 
you know how it goes.


Cheers,   Bill

Actually, while I'm talking about it:

Is anybody succesfully using a serial MIDI interface with the EXS24 on a G4?

Bill Canty wrote:
> I play, on average, about 90 minutes every day without a 
> single glitch.

No MIDI glitches, that is - my playing's a different story!!! ;-)

Hi Bill,
yes I did have to install a driver for the micro express.  The last one 
they released was 1999.  Sort of prehistoric in software terms.  My 
problem got worse gradually and finally I bailed.  But playing through 
the EXS was worthless. It was quicker to program the lines than play 
them in.

  I used to use a MTP with Vision years ago...but I'm not familiar with 
where they are now.  Have you looked out there to see if there are new 
drivers for your MTP...or checked with Emagic to see if the drivers are 
still internal to the program?  You might run a test if you know 
someone with an mt4 or something uncomplicated like that.

best,
julie




On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 04:27  PM, Bill Canty wrote:

> Julie Larson wrote:
> > This used to happen to me.  I had a MOTU micro express...or something
> > like that midi interface.  MOTU quit updating the drivers for it and 
> it
> > was like my interface gradually became incompatible with my setup. 
> All
> > the note hanging and missing notes that you discribe were totally
> > commonplace. Playback was fine.   I switched to an mt4 and all was
> > solved.  You might check to make sure you have the latest drivers for
> > your MOTU interface.
>
> Thanks Julie - nice to know my problems aren't completely unique! :-)
>
> And MOTU is a common factor here. Hmmmm.
>
> Did you have to install a driver for your Micro Express? The reason I
> ask is that I've never installed a driver of any sort for the MIDI Time
> Piece II. The only software I've ever found for it was a patch editing
> program. I'd always thought the MTP driver was built into Logic, cos 
> the
> multiplexing MIDI thing was something that MOTU got right and therefore
> became a defacto standard.
>
> So *maybe* Logic has moved on and become incompatible with the MTP? 
> I've
> noticed in recent times that if I boot Logic before I turn the MTP on I
> can no longer just go to MIDI Interface Communicatin preferences and
> click on "MTP Cable Mode". This always used to work but now it causes
> MIDI havoc, and once even scrambled the patch memory of the MTP.
>
> Just found an updated driver for the Griffin gPort, though. :-) I'll 
> let
> you know how it goes.
>
>
> Cheers,   Bill
>
>
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Julie Larson wrote:
> 
> Have you looked out there to see if there are new 
> drivers for your MTP...

Yep. There are none. I've actually never seen drivers for the MTPII.

> or checked with Emagic to see if the drivers are 
> still internal to the program?

No, not yet.

> You might run a test if you know 
> someone with an mt4 or something uncomplicated like that.

Found out yesterday that one of my friends does have an MT4. Just need 
to organize borrowing it from him.

I'll also dig out and try an old single port serial interface that's 
buried in a box somewhere...

>>Just found an updated driver for the Griffin gPort, though. :-) I'll 
>>let you know how it goes.

Nah, it still runs like a drunk 3-legged dog. :-(