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I need to get a hi-fidelity but very compact mixer.  I was thinking
about the Mackie 1202VLZ Pro, but it looks like I can get the
Roland VM3100 VMixing Station for the same price, and
the VM3100 for a bit more.  In addition to being 24-bit digital
mixers (with fx and recallable mixes), they have transport 
controls and with the sliders, I can have a poor man's
Logic Control.

So, the converters are better than my Audiowerks8, it is a
control surface, recallable mixes, it has built-in fx...

Should I do it, or will the Mackie sound better?  Anybody
have experience with these guys?

   Thanks a lot, smeet

Smeet wrote: 

<I need to get a hi-fidelity but very compact mixer. I
was thinking about the Mackie 1202VLZ Pro, but it
looks like I can get the
Roland VM3100 VMixing Station for the same price,
and the VM3100 for a bit more.  In addition to being
24-bit digital mixers (with fx and recallable mixes),
they have transport controls and with the sliders, I
can have a poor man's Logic Control.

So, the converters are better than my Audiowerks8,
it is a control surface, recallable mixes, it has
built-in fx...
 
Should I do it, or will the Mackie sound better? 
Anybody have experience with these guys?>


.
.. hi smeet. i have a vm3100 which i was using as a
sub-mixer going into a yamaha 01v digitally. (i used
to have a mackie cr-1604 too)

the mackie'generally sound good but if it is instant
patch recall that you really want then the roland is
the way to go.

i've not as yet got seriously into the vm. i read
enough of the manual (which is probably the worst one
in the history of mankind!) to set up some channels
which i would then route through to the 01v's and then
sample but that was about it.

i have found the vm much harder to get to grips with
than the 01v's but i guess i haven't played with it
enough to become familiar with it (at some point we'll
be using it as a live sub-mixer so will have to brave
the manual then!)

i thought it might sit nicely as a poor man's logic
control too, just that i don't have any space to put
it near the workstation!

not sure if this is helpful or not but there it is
anyway!

cheers

alanx 




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> .. hi smeet. i have a vm3100 which i was using as a
> sub-mixer going into a yamaha 01v digitally. (i used
> to have a mackie cr-1604 too)
> 
> the mackie'generally sound good but if it is instant
> patch recall that you really want then the roland is
> the way to go.

Hi Alanx, thanks for your response.

Patch recall is nice, but here are my two main concerns:

1) Is the basic sound quality of the VM3100 noticably worse
than the Mackie?  Will I regret it if it is my ONLY mixer?

2) I want my setup to be easy to just sit down and
quickly lay some tracks down.  Is the VM3100 going
to make that difficult, or is it simple to use for simple
stuff (plug my mic/guitar/bass in, hit record, and go)?

   -smeet

hi everyone...

the my8-at a-dat board i had on order finally arrived
today but i'm having trouble getting it to link up
with my m-audio delta 1010/ai.

the my board seems to be working okay on the o1v...
select the main l/r mix and the output page registers
the levels but the m-audio won't input them.

on the other side the 1010 seems to be hooked up fine
to the main 1010 unit... switch the 'adat to host' on
and the signal (dat) coming into the analog ins is
cancelled (as the manual says).

i've checked the two optical cables on a yamaha a5000
sampler into the inputs of a roland vm-3100 mixer...
the signal gets through to that okay so it's not the
cables and i'm sure i got everything else connected
correctly but... no signal gets either from the o1v to
the ai or vice-versa.

has anybody got had experiences with this set-up that
might have some suggestions? would be hugely
appreciated! :) the delta mixer/monitor box locks onto
'wordclock' when 'adat to host' is on too!

heh, what am i doing wrong?

cheers

alanx

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smeet asked:

1) Is the basic sound quality of the VM3100 noticably
worse than the Mackie?  Will I regret it if it is my
ONLY mixer?

... i don't think it's necessarily worse. just that
the cr-1604's i used to have had quite a nice sound to
them (the old analogue v' digital argument).

2) I want my setup to be easy to just sit down and
quickly lay some tracks down.  Is the VM3100 going
to make that difficult, or is it simple to use for
simple stuff (plug my mic/guitar/bass in, hit record,
and go)?

... i would guess that once you've got over the
learning curve and know where everything is (i find it
a bugger after the relative ease of the yamaha 01v to
try to remember how to the simplest of tasks... but as
i said, i've never *really* used it that much as of
yet) it would become simpler to use.

i still don't know if i'm actually recommending it or
not though! it's a good mixer for the money... lot's
of functions, just difficult to use.

alanx

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> 1) Is the basic sound quality of the VM3100 noticably
> worse than the Mackie?  Will I regret it if it is my
> ONLY mixer?
> 
> ... i don't think it's necessarily worse. just that
> the cr-1604's i used to have had quite a nice sound to
> them (the old analogue v' digital argument).

Yeah, that's what I figured.  The Mackies have never
struck me as a particulary "warm" board, I always
thought of them as the closest thing to digital clean.
Nevertheless, I want to avoid that "too much
separation" (if you know what I mean) sound
that I associate with an all-digital signal path.
So I guess it's a 1202VLZ pro for me.

Also, the techs at Zzounds said that it cannot
be used as a logic control, so that gets rid of
one major reason for me to get it.

FWIW, Zzounds is having a blowout,  the
VM3100 is $350, the VM3100Pro is $450.
Pretty good prices...  I guess they have been
discontinued.

    -smeet

I use a Tascam DM24 digital mixer, but as for getting the midi to control the 
transport, and other mixer functions... forget about it. And Emagic wont give 
you any help either!

Dont get me wrong, I love my DM24... but I went ahead and got Logic 
Control... and the two in combo are awsome!!! Your best bet would probably be 
to get logic control and to make sure you have something to hear your audio 
out of clearly!

Peace,
J

logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Original Message:
>    Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:24:41 +0100 (BST)
>    From: alan platten <taoyoyo@...>
> Subject: yamaha o1v dat board to m-audio delta 1010/ai
>
> hi everyone...
>
> the my8-at a-dat board i had on order finally arrived
> today but i'm having trouble getting it to link up
> with my m-audio delta 1010/ai.
>
> the my board seems to be working okay on the o1v...
> select the main l/r mix and the output page registers
> the levels but the m-audio won't input them.
>
> on the other side the 1010 seems to be hooked up fine
> to the main 1010 unit... switch the 'adat to host' on
> and the signal (dat) coming into the analog ins is
> cancelled (as the manual says).
>
> i've checked the two optical cables on a yamaha a5000
> sampler into the inputs of a roland vm-3100 mixer...
> the signal gets through to that okay so it's not the
> cables and i'm sure i got everything else connected
> correctly but... no signal gets either from the o1v to
> the ai or vice-versa.
>
> has anybody got had experiences with this set-up that
> might have some suggestions? would be hugely
> appreciated! :) the delta mixer/monitor box locks onto
> 'wordclock' when 'adat to host' is on too!

Hi Alan,
Your question may be better served in the O1v group (O1v@yahoogroups.com).  I
know several people there may be using the same rig, or at least using the ADAT
card successfully, for sure.  And, there are some very knowledgeable people on
that list, as well.  I'll cc this to over there and you can just join up and
look for your answer.  :)

Regards,
...z


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i wrote: about problems connecting the 01v adat board
to the m-audio delta 1010 ai. 


Zeek replied:

Hi Alan,
Your question may be better served in the O1v group
(O1v@yahoogroups.com).  I know several people there
may be using the same rig, or at least using the ADAT
card successfully, for sure.  And, there are some very
knowledgeable people on that list, as well.  I'll cc
this to over there and you can just join up and look
for your answer.  :)


... many thanks zeke. i'll go and join the 01v group
as well. i'm thinking that these sorts of groups are a
great thing!

as far as my problem goes, after talking with carillon
(who built the pc system for me) they could only guide
me through what i already knew from the manual but
recommended giving the yamaha helpline a call. whilst
waiting to get through to them i rang midiman uk to
see if they had any ideas. the guy was a little on the
'do you know what you're doing?' vibe, which wasn't
really helpful.

on the otherhand, dusty, the yamaha tech was very
helpful and helped me work out that the yamaha a-dat
unit was working fine...

this is the first time i've used optical connections
so after a few tests i managed to deduce that there
was a problem with the midiman unit... the 'red light'
signal was being passed along out of the a-dat board
fine but not the other way.

so... the unit went back to carillon today for 'tests'
but they won't send me a replacement until they've
proven to management that the unit is faulty. ho-hum,
these things are meant to try us etc! ;)

guess on the positive side i'm pleased that after a
day of trying to get the connection to work it wasn't
me missing something obvious! :)

cheers

alanx


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