OBERHEIM SYNTH

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of atmospherics4@...
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6




I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an expression or
volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to patch it and
control It via midi....any suggestions? 

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From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@...> 
Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6

  

Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the Matrix 6? Will
a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of M-Audio EX-P work or does
it require something more specialized?

Thanks!

>
> The M6R does not respond to CC 7 or midi volume like the Matrix 1000 does.
> This is the chief reason I could not get rid of my M6R fast enough.  Great
> machine.  Nice sound.  Liked the Opcode Galaxy editing software.  HATED the
> fact it had no overall volume.
>  
> The only way to make it work is to use your matrix mod and patch a CC to
> VCA2, thus using up your VCA2 strictly for controllable volume.
>  
> It's way better to just get an analog guitar volume pot pedal (like the
> Ernie Ball) if you want vol control.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of atmospherics4@...
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an expression or
> volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to patch it and
> control It via midi....any suggestions? 
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@...> 
> Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
> To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
> ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
>   
> 
> Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the Matrix 6? Will
> a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of M-Audio EX-P work or does
> it require something more specialized?
> 
> Thanks!
>

> it require something more specialized?
> 
> Thanks!
>

	> it require something more specialized?
	> 
	> Thanks!
	>

>
> Well, there is a way to work around that.
> 
> Take a quarter phone jack and solder to it a standard 9 volt power
> connector. Attach a 9 volt battery to it and plug it into one side of a mono
> volume pedal. Plug the other side to the CV input jack, and you've just
> converted a volume pedal to a CV pedal. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of LarryS
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:51 AM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
>   
> 
> I"m not "proposing" this, I'm saying it's the only way to do it that I've
> ever heard of.
>  
> If you want midi input of volume, whether it by pedal, sequencer, or master
> contoller, the midi data has to modulate something because NOTHING is
> built-in, like you've seen on other synths.  In this case, to control
> volume, your choices are either VCA1 or VCA2.  As VCA1 is best used for
> envelope work, the logical choice is VCA2.  
>  
> Route midi CC7 (or whatever you're using) to VCA2 modulation in the
> modulation matrix section of your programming.  Easy-peasy.  I don't have
> one in front of me, but you can surely figure this out.
>  
> IIRC, and it's been over 20 years, guys, the CV input is NOT for a "cv
> pedal" as such.  It's for a control voltage, not a regular pot pedal as
> there is no voltage biasing on the jack.  You have to squirt some voltage
> INTO it, like if it were connected to a modular system.  So it's never gonna
> work with a volume pedal.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 	From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of atmospherics4@...
> 	Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:32 AM
> 	To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> 	Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 	
> 	
> 	I'm still confused about this process.....you are proposing giving
> up VCA number two, which would be routed to be controlled by CC#7..is there
> a block diagram that shows this patch? 
> 
> 	Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 	From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@...> 
> 	Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> 	Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:49:19 -0000
> 	To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
> 	ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> 	Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
> 	  
> 
> 	I actually want to use the built-in CV pedal input to control CC
> #2--according to the manual this can be done...anyone?
> 	
> 	--- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> , "LarryS" <vision1@> wrote:
> 	>
> 	> The M6R does not respond to CC 7 or midi volume like the Matrix
> 1000 does.
> 	> This is the chief reason I could not get rid of my M6R fast
> enough. Great
> 	> machine. Nice sound. Liked the Opcode Galaxy editing software.
> HATED the
> 	> fact it had no overall volume.
> 	> 
> 	> The only way to make it work is to use your matrix mod and patch a
> CC to
> 	> VCA2, thus using up your VCA2 strictly for controllable volume.
> 	> 
> 	> It's way better to just get an analog guitar volume pot pedal
> (like the
> 	> Ernie Ball) if you want vol control.
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> _____ 
> 	> 
> 	> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:oberheim@...m <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> 	> Of atmospherics4@
> 	> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
> 	> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
> 	> Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an
> expression or
> 	> volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to
> patch it and
> 	> control It via midi....any suggestions? 
> 	> 
> 	> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 	> 
> 	> _____ 
> 	> 
> 	> From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@> 
> 	> Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> 	> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
> 	> To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> 	> ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> 	> Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the
> Matrix 6? Will
> 	> a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of M-Audio EX-P
> work or does
> 	> it require something more specialized?
> 	> 
> 	> Thanks!
> 	>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steinbergerstyler
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:46 AM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
> Is anyone able to answer my original question? I have a 
> Matrix 6 KEYBOARD-not rack. It has a pedal input.  What type 
> of pedal is required for this?  Will a standard expression 
> pedal work or is there a special kind of pedal that is required?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well, there is a way to work around that.
> > 
> > Take a quarter phone jack and solder to it a standard 9 volt power
> > connector. Attach a 9 volt battery to it and plug it into 
> one side of a mono
> > volume pedal. Plug the other side to the CV input jack, and 
> you've just
> > converted a volume pedal to a CV pedal. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of LarryS
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:51 AM
> > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > I"m not "proposing" this, I'm saying it's the only way to 
> do it that I've
> > ever heard of.
> >  
> > If you want midi input of volume, whether it by pedal, 
> sequencer, or master
> > contoller, the midi data has to modulate something because 
> NOTHING is
> > built-in, like you've seen on other synths.  In this case, 
> to control
> > volume, your choices are either VCA1 or VCA2.  As VCA1 is 
> best used for
> > envelope work, the logical choice is VCA2.  
> >  
> > Route midi CC7 (or whatever you're using) to VCA2 modulation in the
> > modulation matrix section of your programming.  Easy-peasy. 
>  I don't have
> > one in front of me, but you can surely figure this out.
> >  
> > IIRC, and it's been over 20 years, guys, the CV input is 
> NOT for a "cv
> > pedal" as such.  It's for a control voltage, not a regular 
> pot pedal as
> > there is no voltage biasing on the jack.  You have to 
> squirt some voltage
> > INTO it, like if it were connected to a modular system.  So 
> it's never gonna
> > work with a volume pedal.
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > 	From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of atmospherics4@...
> > 	Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:32 AM
> > 	To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > 	Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 	
> > 	
> > 	I'm still confused about this process.....you are 
> proposing giving
> > up VCA number two, which would be routed to be controlled 
> by CC#7..is there
> > a block diagram that shows this patch? 
> > 
> > 	Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > 	From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@...> 
> > 	Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > 	Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:49:19 -0000
> > 	To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
> > 	ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > 	Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 
> > 	  
> > 
> > 	I actually want to use the built-in CV pedal input to control CC
> > #2--according to the manual this can be done...anyone?
> > 	
> > 	--- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > , "LarryS" <vision1@> wrote:
> > 	>
> > 	> The M6R does not respond to CC 7 or midi volume like 
> the Matrix
> > 1000 does.
> > 	> This is the chief reason I could not get rid of my M6R fast
> > enough. Great
> > 	> machine. Nice sound. Liked the Opcode Galaxy editing software.
> > HATED the
> > 	> fact it had no overall volume.
> > 	> 
> > 	> The only way to make it work is to use your matrix 
> mod and patch a
> > CC to
> > 	> VCA2, thus using up your VCA2 strictly for 
> controllable volume.
> > 	> 
> > 	> It's way better to just get an analog guitar volume pot pedal
> > (like the
> > 	> Ernie Ball) if you want vol control.
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> _____ 
> > 	> 
> > 	> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf
> > 	> Of atmospherics4@
> > 	> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
> > 	> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > 	> Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an
> > expression or
> > 	> volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to
> > patch it and
> > 	> control It via midi....any suggestions? 
> > 	> 
> > 	> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > 	> 
> > 	> _____ 
> > 	> 
> > 	> From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@> 
> > 	> Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > 	> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
> > 	> To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > 	> ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > 	> Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> 
> > 	> Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the
> > Matrix 6? Will
> > 	> a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of 
> M-Audio EX-P
> > work or does
> > 	> it require something more specialized?
> > 	> 
> > 	> Thanks!
> > 	>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

>
> Sorry, I can't.
> I had always thought that the keyboard was exactly the same as the rack.
> EXACTLY.  Same elex.. just had a keyboard strapped on.  As was the case with
> many synths of the day.
> 
> In which case, we've answered this question.  Twice.
> 
> I guess we could answer it two more times if it'd make you feel better.
> 
> The keyboard was available as the Xk-1, btw.
> 
> In any case, as I said before, nothing is "built in" to the Matrix 6.  Not
> volume, not expression, nothing.  If you want an input to do something,
> expression or anything else, you gotta program it to do so through the
> matrix modulation portion of each patch.  You have to assign it a paramter
> to modulate otherwise it won't, no matter what you plug in.
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steinbergerstyler
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:46 AM
> > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 
> > Is anyone able to answer my original question? I have a 
> > Matrix 6 KEYBOARD-not rack. It has a pedal input.  What type 
> > of pedal is required for this?  Will a standard expression 
> > pedal work or is there a special kind of pedal that is required?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, there is a way to work around that.
> > > 
> > > Take a quarter phone jack and solder to it a standard 9 volt power
> > > connector. Attach a 9 volt battery to it and plug it into 
> > one side of a mono
> > > volume pedal. Plug the other side to the CV input jack, and 
> > you've just
> > > converted a volume pedal to a CV pedal. 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > > Of LarryS
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:51 AM
> > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > I"m not "proposing" this, I'm saying it's the only way to 
> > do it that I've
> > > ever heard of.
> > >  
> > > If you want midi input of volume, whether it by pedal, 
> > sequencer, or master
> > > contoller, the midi data has to modulate something because 
> > NOTHING is
> > > built-in, like you've seen on other synths.  In this case, 
> > to control
> > > volume, your choices are either VCA1 or VCA2.  As VCA1 is 
> > best used for
> > > envelope work, the logical choice is VCA2.  
> > >  
> > > Route midi CC7 (or whatever you're using) to VCA2 modulation in the
> > > modulation matrix section of your programming.  Easy-peasy. 
> >  I don't have
> > > one in front of me, but you can surely figure this out.
> > >  
> > > IIRC, and it's been over 20 years, guys, the CV input is 
> > NOT for a "cv
> > > pedal" as such.  It's for a control voltage, not a regular 
> > pot pedal as
> > > there is no voltage biasing on the jack.  You have to 
> > squirt some voltage
> > > INTO it, like if it were connected to a modular system.  So 
> > it's never gonna
> > > work with a volume pedal.
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > 
> > > 	From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of atmospherics4@
> > > 	Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:32 AM
> > > 	To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > 	Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > 	
> > > 	
> > > 	I'm still confused about this process.....you are 
> > proposing giving
> > > up VCA number two, which would be routed to be controlled 
> > by CC#7..is there
> > > a block diagram that shows this patch? 
> > > 
> > > 	Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > 
> > > 	From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@> 
> > > 	Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 	Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:49:19 -0000
> > > 	To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
> > > 	ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 	Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > 
> > > 	  
> > > 
> > > 	I actually want to use the built-in CV pedal input to control CC
> > > #2--according to the manual this can be done...anyone?
> > > 	
> > > 	--- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > , "LarryS" <vision1@> wrote:
> > > 	>
> > > 	> The M6R does not respond to CC 7 or midi volume like 
> > the Matrix
> > > 1000 does.
> > > 	> This is the chief reason I could not get rid of my M6R fast
> > > enough. Great
> > > 	> machine. Nice sound. Liked the Opcode Galaxy editing software.
> > > HATED the
> > > 	> fact it had no overall volume.
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> The only way to make it work is to use your matrix 
> > mod and patch a
> > > CC to
> > > 	> VCA2, thus using up your VCA2 strictly for 
> > controllable volume.
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> It's way better to just get an analog guitar volume pot pedal
> > > (like the
> > > 	> Ernie Ball) if you want vol control.
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> _____ 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > Behalf
> > > 	> Of atmospherics4@
> > > 	> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
> > > 	> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > 	> Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an
> > > expression or
> > > 	> volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to
> > > patch it and
> > > 	> control It via midi....any suggestions? 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> _____ 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@> 
> > > 	> Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > 	> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
> > > 	> To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > 	> ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > 	> Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the
> > > Matrix 6? Will
> > > 	> a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of 
> > M-Audio EX-P
> > > work or does
> > > 	> it require something more specialized?
> > > 	> 
> > > 	> Thanks!
> > > 	>
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >
>

No, the keyboard has two pedal inputs, unlike the rack. Third try.

--- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "LarryS" wrote:
>
> Sorry, I can't.
> I had always thought that the keyboard was exactly the same as the rack.
> EXACTLY. Same elex.. just had a keyboard strapped on. As was the case with
> many synths of the day.
>
> In which case, we've answered this question. Twice.
>
> I guess we could answer it two more times if it'd make you feel better.
>
> The keyboard was available as the Xk-1, btw.
>
> In any case, as I said before, nothing is "built in" to the Matrix 6. Not
> volume, not expression, nothing. If you want an input to do something,
> expression or anything else, you gotta program it to do so through the
> matrix modulation portion of each patch. You have to assign it a paramter
> to modulate otherwise it won't, no matter what you plug in.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > [ mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steinbergerstyler
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:46 AM
> > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> >
> >; Is anyone able to answer my original question? I have a
> > Matrix 6 KEYBOARD-not rack. It has a pedal input. What type
> > of pedal is required for this? Will a standard expression
> > pedal work or is there a special kind of pedal that is required?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Massey" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, there is a way to work around that.
> > >
> > >; Take a quarter phone jack and solder to it a standard 9 volt power
> > > connector. Attach a 9 volt battery to it and plug it into
> > one side of a mono
> > > volume pedal. Plug the other side to the CV input jack, and
> > you've just
> > > converted a volume pedal to a CV pedal.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> >; [ mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > > Of LarryS
>; > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:51 AM
> > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I"m not "proposing" this, I'm saying it's the only way to
> > do it that I've
> > > ever heard of.
> > >
> > > If you want midi input of volume, whether it by pedal,
> > sequencer, or master
> > > contoller, the midi data has to modulate something because
> > NOTHING is
> > > built-in, like you've seen on other synths. In this case,
> > to control
> > > volume, your choices are either VCA1 or VCA2. As VCA1 is
> > best used for
> >; > envelope work, the logical choice is VCA2.
> > >
> > > Route midi CC7 (or whatever you're using) to VCA2 modulation in the
> > > modulation matrix section of your programming. Easy-peasy.
> > I don't have
> > > one in front of me, but you can surely figure this out.
> > >
> > > IIRC, and it's been over 20 years, guys, the CV input is
> > NOT for a "cv
> > > pedal" as such. It's for a control voltage, not a regular
> > pot pedal as
> > > there is no voltage biasing on the jack. You have to
> > squirt some voltage
> > > INTO it, like if it were connected to a modular system. So
> > it's never gonna
> > > work with a volume pedal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >; From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > [ mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of atmospherics4@
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:32 AM
> > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm still confused about this process.....you are
> > proposing giving
> > > up VCA number two, which would be routed to be controlled
> > by CC#7..is there
> > > a block diagram that shows this patch?
> > >
> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: "steinbergerstyler"
> > > Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:49:19 -0000
> > > To: < oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
> > > ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> >; > Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I actually want to use the built-in CV pedal input to control CC
> > > #2--according to the manual this can be done...anyone?
> > >
> > > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > , "LarryS" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The M6R does not respond to CC 7 or midi volume like
> > the Matrix
> > > 1000 does.
> > > > This is the chief reason I could not get rid of my M6R fast
> > > enough. Great
> > > > machine. Nice sound. Liked the Opcode Galaxy editing software.
> > > HATED the
> > > > fact it had no overall volume.
> > > >
> > > > The only way to make it work is to use your matrix
> > mod and patch a
> > > CC to
> > > > VCA2, thus using up your VCA2 strictly for
> > controllable volume.
> > > >
> > > > It's way better to just get an analog guitar volume pot pedal
> > > (like the
> > > > Ernie Ball) if you want vol control.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of atmospherics4@
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
> > > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an
> > > expression or
>; > > > volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to
> > > patch it and
> > > > control It via midi....any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: ";steinbergerstyler"
> > > >; Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
> > > >; To: < oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > < mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the
> > > Matrix 6? Will
> > > > a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of
> > M-Audio EX-P
> > > work or does
> > > > it require something more specialized?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

On Nov 2, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@...> wrote:

> No, the keyboard has two pedal inputs, unlike the rack. Third try.
> 
> --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "LarryS" <vision1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I can't.
> > I had always thought that the keyboard was exactly the same as the rack.
> > EXACTLY. Same elex.. just had a keyboard strapped on. As was the case with
> > many synths of the day.
> > 
> > In which case, we've answered this question. Twice.
> > 
> > I guess we could answer it two more times if it'd make you feel better.
> > 
> > The keyboard was available as the Xk-1, btw.
> > 
> > In any case, as I said before, nothing is "built in" to the Matrix 6. Not
> > volume, not expression, nothing. If you want an input to do something,
> > expression or anything else, you gotta program it to do so through the
> > matrix modulation portion of each patch. You have to assign it a paramter
> > to modulate otherwise it won't, no matter what you plug in.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steinbergerstyler
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:46 AM
> > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > 
> > > Is anyone able to answer my original question? I have a 
> > > Matrix 6 KEYBOARD-not rack. It has a pedal input. What type 
> > > of pedal is required for this? Will a standard expression 
> > > pedal work or is there a special kind of pedal that is required?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, there is a way to work around that.
> > > > 
> > > > Take a quarter phone jack and solder to it a standard 9 volt power
> > > > connector. Attach a 9 volt battery to it and plug it into 
> > > one side of a mono
> > > > volume pedal. Plug the other side to the CV input jack, and 
> > > you've just
> > > > converted a volume pedal to a CV pedal. 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > > > Of LarryS
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:51 AM
> > > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I"m not "proposing" this, I'm saying it's the only way to 
> > > do it that I've
> > > > ever heard of.
> > > > 
> > > > If you want midi input of volume, whether it by pedal, 
> > > sequencer, or master
> > > > contoller, the midi data has to modulate something because 
> > > NOTHING is
> > > > built-in, like you've seen on other synths. In this case, 
> > > to control
> > > > volume, your choices are either VCA1 or VCA2. As VCA1 is 
> > > best used for
> > > > envelope work, the logical choice is VCA2. 
> > > > 
> > > > Route midi CC7 (or whatever you're using) to VCA2 modulation in the
> > > > modulation matrix section of your programming. Easy-peasy. 
> > > I don't have
> > > > one in front of me, but you can surely figure this out.
> > > > 
> > > > IIRC, and it's been over 20 years, guys, the CV input is 
> > > NOT for a "cv
> > > > pedal" as such. It's for a control voltage, not a regular 
> > > pot pedal as
> > > > there is no voltage biasing on the jack. You have to 
> > > squirt some voltage
> > > > INTO it, like if it were connected to a modular system. So 
> > > it's never gonna
> > > > work with a volume pedal.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > 
> > > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of atmospherics4@
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:32 AM
> > > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm still confused about this process.....you are 
> > > proposing giving
> > > > up VCA number two, which would be routed to be controlled 
> > > by CC#7..is there
> > > > a block diagram that shows this patch? 
> > > > 
> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > 
> > > > From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@> 
> > > > Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:49:19 -0000
> > > > To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I actually want to use the built-in CV pedal input to control CC
> > > > #2--according to the manual this can be done...anyone?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > , "LarryS" <vision1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The M6R does not respond to CC 7 or midi volume like 
> > > the Matrix
> > > > 1000 does.
> > > > > This is the chief reason I could not get rid of my M6R fast
> > > > enough. Great
> > > > > machine. Nice sound. Liked the Opcode Galaxy editing software.
> > > > HATED the
> > > > > fact it had no overall volume.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The only way to make it work is to use your matrix 
> > > mod and patch a
> > > > CC to
> > > > > VCA2, thus using up your VCA2 strictly for 
> > > controllable volume.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's way better to just get an analog guitar volume pot pedal
> > > > (like the
> > > > > Ernie Ball) if you want vol control.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > _____ 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of atmospherics4@
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 4:11 PM
> > > > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have the same problem...I have never been able to get an
> > > > expression or
> > > > > volume pedal to work on the matrix 6R.....I don't know how to
> > > > patch it and
> > > > > control It via midi....any suggestions? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > > 
> > > > > _____ 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: "steinbergerstyler" <steinbergerstyler@> 
> > > > > Sender: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:25:24 -0000
> > > > > To: <oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > ReplyTo: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > > Subject: [oberheim] expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can anyone recommend an expression (CC) pedal to use with the
> > > > Matrix 6? Will
> > > > > a standard expression pedal like the Yamaha FC7 of 
> > > M-Audio EX-P
> > > > work or does
> > > > > it require something more specialized?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

>
> 
> 
> --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Paul Cunningham <paul@> wrote:
> >
> > if it doesnt take a cv pedal
> >  it takes a regular switch like a sustain pedal.
> 
> 
> Yeah, the Matrix 6 keyboard has both.
> 
> According to the manual, pedal input #2 is a momentary pedal / switch pedal.  It also functions as a trigger input.  Pedal #1 is the rocker-style or volume pedal.  (The manual does actually seem to mix up the pedal inputs in some sections, which is confusing.)
> 
> I tried my Roland EV-5 rocker pedal in pedal input #1 but could not get it to do much of anything, no matter what I programmed.  
> 
> I used a Boss momentary pedal (with switchable polarity) in input #2 and was able to get it to affect the sound as expected based on the settings in the modulation matrix of various patches.
> 
> The fact that my EV-5 pedal doesn't work in my keyboard isn't conclusive... maybe my pedal #1 jack is broken, or maybe the EV-5 hasn't got the right capacitance or polarity for what the Oberheim Matrix 6 is expecting -- though if the polarity was wrong, it just would work in the reverse fashion.  The EV-5 also has a sensitivity knob on it... adjusting it made no perceptible difference.
> 
> Unfortunately I don't have any other rocker-style pedals to try.
> 
> - t
>

> 
> Unfortunately I don't have any other rocker-style pedals to try.
> 
> - t
>

Dear venerable OB users,

I’m looking for any info / schematics about the OB-1 / FVS memory cassette interface module for a retro engineering project.

I’m also looking for a calibration procedure for the OB-1 / the action of the different trimmers inside.

Cheers,

Eric



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>
> Okay, if it's a TS plug then we're very probably talking about a CV pedal
> instead of an expression pedal.  I would suggest the trick I mentioned
> earlier to convert a volume pedal to a CV pedal and see if that works --
> you're talking a buck or two for the battery connector. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of steinbergerstyler
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:42 PM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
>   
> 
> I plugged a Yamaha FC7 into the Pedal 1 jack--the Matrix 6 senses it and
> will transmit the appropriate CC# via midi to my computer but only for value
> 0-14 (i.e. out of 0-127). The pedal doesn't have any audible effect on the
> Matrix patches even when programmed appropriately, which leads me to believe
> it's a problem with the pedal or the Pedal 1 jack.
> 
> Is this the wrong kind of pedal? The manual says you should a standard
> guitar cable for the input (i.e. TS plug?) but as far as I know all
> expression pedals use TRS plugs.
> 
> Any suggestions? Anyone ever get Pedal 1 to work on the Matrix 6 or 6R)?
> 
> --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "tacitron" <tacitron@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> , Paul
> Cunningham <paul@> wrote:
> > >
> > > if it doesnt take a cv pedal
> > > it takes a regular switch like a sustain pedal.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, the Matrix 6 keyboard has both.
> > 
> > According to the manual, pedal input #2 is a momentary pedal / switch 
> > pedal. It also functions as a trigger input. Pedal #1 is the 
> > rocker-style or volume pedal. (The manual does actually seem to mix up 
> > the pedal inputs in some sections, which is confusing.)
> > 
> > I tried my Roland EV-5 rocker pedal in pedal input #1 but could not get it
> to do much of anything, no matter what I programmed. 
> > 
> > I used a Boss momentary pedal (with switchable polarity) in input #2 and
> was able to get it to affect the sound as expected based on the settings in
> the modulation matrix of various patches.
> > 
> > The fact that my EV-5 pedal doesn't work in my keyboard isn't
> conclusive... maybe my pedal #1 jack is broken, or maybe the EV-5 hasn't got
> the right capacitance or polarity for what the Oberheim Matrix 6 is
> expecting -- though if the polarity was wrong, it just would work in the
> reverse fashion. The EV-5 also has a sensitivity knob on it... adjusting it
> made no perceptible difference.
> > 
> > Unfortunately I don't have any other rocker-style pedals to try.
> > 
> > - t
> >
>

>
> Okay, if it's a TS plug then we're very probably talking about a CV pedal
> instead of an expression pedal.  I would suggest the trick I mentioned
> earlier to convert a volume pedal to a CV pedal and see if that works --
> you're talking a buck or two for the battery connector. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of steinbergerstyler
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:42 PM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> 
>   
> 
> I plugged a Yamaha FC7 into the Pedal 1 jack--the Matrix 6 senses it and
> will transmit the appropriate CC# via midi to my computer but only for value
> 0-14 (i.e. out of 0-127). The pedal doesn't have any audible effect on the
> Matrix patches even when programmed appropriately, which leads me to believe
> it's a problem with the pedal or the Pedal 1 jack.
> 
> Is this the wrong kind of pedal? The manual says you should a standard
> guitar cable for the input (i.e. TS plug?) but as far as I know all
> expression pedals use TRS plugs.
> 
> Any suggestions? Anyone ever get Pedal 1 to work on the Matrix 6 or 6R)?
>

>
> I can second "steinbergerstyler" from my experience over the weekend.
> 
> I noticed my sequencer was receiving Volume Control messages with a value of 0, coming from the Matrix 6 (keyboard) -- with nothing plugged in to pedal input #1.  I plugged in my Roland EV-5 and found it could only muster values of 0 through 9.
> 
> I like this idea of adding some potency to the pedal output but I'm afraid I haven't got it in me to break out a soldering iron and work some kind of electronics wizardry.  Will be looking for recommendations of pedals.
> 
> --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, if it's a TS plug then we're very probably talking about a CV pedal
> > instead of an expression pedal.  I would suggest the trick I mentioned
> > earlier to convert a volume pedal to a CV pedal and see if that works --
> > you're talking a buck or two for the battery connector. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of steinbergerstyler
> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:42 PM
> > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [oberheim] Re: expression pedal for Matrix 6
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > I plugged a Yamaha FC7 into the Pedal 1 jack--the Matrix 6 senses it and
> > will transmit the appropriate CC# via midi to my computer but only for value
> > 0-14 (i.e. out of 0-127). The pedal doesn't have any audible effect on the
> > Matrix patches even when programmed appropriately, which leads me to believe
> > it's a problem with the pedal or the Pedal 1 jack.
> > 
> > Is this the wrong kind of pedal? The manual says you should a standard
> > guitar cable for the input (i.e. TS plug?) but as far as I know all
> > expression pedals use TRS plugs.
> > 
> > Any suggestions? Anyone ever get Pedal 1 to work on the Matrix 6 or 6R)?
> >
>