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2013-03-23 by orangefunk
Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it. But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily? Best regards
2013-03-23 by Omar
Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily?
Best regards
2013-03-23 by orangefunk
Many thanks! I will give it a try... I tried with a penknife but I honestly felt like I would break the unit if I applied anymore pressure. --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:
> > I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that > difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a > slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted very > tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the encoder > shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from unit to > unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it underneath the > cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap itself. Once I got the > blade under the edge, I only had to apply a small bit off pressure to lift > them off. > > Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing the > actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get off on a > couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple of them which > made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid connection. I > eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious work though. > > good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders on the > Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and "clicky" as > the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. And they turn much > faster while still giving pecise movement when slowed down. > > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out and > > another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but > > functions like pan position aren't possible from it. > > > > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the current > > encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and won't > > budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily? > > > > Best regards > > > > > > >
2013-03-23 by Omar
Many thanks! I will give it a try... I tried with a penknife but I honestly felt like I would break the unit if I applied anymore pressure.
--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar wrote:
>
> I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that
> difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a
> slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted very
> tight with very little "space"; between the cap and the rim of the encoder
> shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from unit to
> unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it underneath the
> cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap itself. Once I got the
> blade under the edge, I only had to apply a small bit off pressure to lift
> them off.
>
> Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing the
> actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get off on a
> couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple of them which
> made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid connection. I
> eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious work though.
>
> good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders on the
> Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and "clicky" as
> the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. And they turn much
> faster while still giving pecise movement when slowed down.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >;
> > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out and
> > another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but
> > functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
> >
> > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the current
> > encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and won't
> > budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
> >
>
2013-03-23 by PeWe
\ufffdI recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that difficult to get the caps off the encoders.\ufffdthey should come up with a slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that\ufffdthey are fitted very tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the encoder shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from unit to unit).\ufffdI had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it underneath the cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap itself. Once I got\ufffdthe blade under the edge, I only had to apply a small bit off pressure to lift them off.\ufffd
Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing the actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get off on a couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple of them which made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid connection. I eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious work though.good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new\ufffdencoders on\ufffdthe Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and "clicky" as the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. And they turn much faster while still giving pecise movement when slowed down.
On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
\ufffdThinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily?
Best regards
2013-03-23 by orangefunk
Brilliant! That was it! --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:
>
> Lets make sure you are doing the right thing.
> When I say "cap", I am referring to the small little cap on the very top of
> the plastic encoder. Not the entire encoder itself. It looks like its one
> whole piece, but the very top of each encoder is a small "cap" that fits on
> the shaft of the encoder. It's this cap that you remove per the info I gave
> below.
>
> Once you remove the small cap at the top, then it will expose a screw
> inside the casing of the shaft that you can losen. Once loosened up, it
> will allow you to remove the entire plastic encoder casing.
>
> -o
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Many thanks! I will give it a try... I tried with a penknife but I
> > honestly felt like I would break the unit if I applied anymore pressure.
> >
> > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com');>, Omar <holografique@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that
> > > difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a
> > > slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted very
> > > tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the encoder
> > > shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from unit to
> > > unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it underneath the
> > > cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap itself. Once I got the
> > > blade under the edge, I only had to apply a small bit off pressure to
> > lift
> > > them off.
> > >
> > > Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing the
> > > actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get off
> > on a
> > > couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple of them
> > which
> > > made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid connection. I
> > > eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious work though.
> > >
> > > good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders on
> > the
> > > Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and "clicky"
> > as
> > > the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. And they turn
> > much
> > > faster while still giving pecise movement when slowed down.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out
> > and
> > > > another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but
> > > > functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
> > > >
> > > > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the
> > current
> > > > encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and
> > won't
> > > > budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>2013-03-23 by Omar
Brilliant! That was it!
--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar wrote:
>
> Lets make sure you are doing the right thing.
> When I say "cap", I am referring to the small little cap on the very top of
> the plastic encoder. Not the entire encoder itself. It looks like its one
> whole piece, but the very top of each encoder is a small "cap" that fits on
> the shaft of the encoder. It's this cap that you remove per the info I gave
> below.
>
> Once you remove the small cap at the top, then it will expose a screw
> inside the casing of the shaft that you can losen. Once loosened up, it
> will allow you to remove the entire plastic encoder casing.
>
> -o
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Many thanks! I will give it a try... I tried with a penknife but I
> > honestly felt like I would break the unit if I applied anymore pressure.
> >
> > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com > > 'xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com');>, Omar wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that
> > > difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a
> > > slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted very
> > > tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the encoder
> > > shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from unit to
> > >; unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it underneath the
> > > cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap itself. Once I got the
> > > blade under the edge, I only had to apply a small bit off pressure to
> > lift
> > > them off.
> > >
> > > Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing the
> > > actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get off
> > on a
> > > couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple of them
> > which
> > > made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid connection. I
> > > eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious work though.
> > >
> > > good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders on
> > the
> > > Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and "clicky"
> > as
> > > the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. And they turn
> > much
> > > faster while still giving pecise movement when slowed down.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out
> > and
> > > > another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but
> > > > functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
> > > >
> > > > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the
> > current
> > > > encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and
> > won't
> > > > budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > >;
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
2013-03-23 by Omar
We replaced the Schmitt-Trigger chips in my Xpander and cleaned the rotarys w/ Servisol Super 10 switch cleaner even we had buyed replacements alread and were about replacing the old ones.
My Xpander now works like new w/ the original rotarys.
I now have 2 originals left as spare parts ´cause these can be cleaned too AND 6 of the new replacement encoders,- enough for the rest of my life.
In fact, we did that by interest and were surprised how good it worked,- so we kept the originals and it also saved some work and time.
Am 23.03.2013 21:11, schrieb Omar:
I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted very tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the encoder shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from unit to unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it underneath the cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap itself. Once I got the blade under the edge, I only had to apply a small bit off pressure to lift them off.
Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing the actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get off on a couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple of them which made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid connection. I eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious work though.good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders on the Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and "clicky" as the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. And they turn much faster while still giving pecise movement when slowed down.
On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? Should they come off easily?
Best regards
2013-03-23 by orangefunk
I originally cleaned my encoders with Deoxit that I was given by DSI to clean my PolyEvolver (which degraded after only a year). I only did 2 drops in each encoder and everything worked perfectly... However, the fix is only temporary (on both the DSI and Oberheim) and gradually the problems come back... on the DSI the problem was back in 1 year, on the Oberheim it took 2 years but I hadn't used it a lot in that time. So I can do the same again or change the encoders and I am favouring the encoder change. The question is... which encoders? I have seen the encoder set at syntaur and that also has debouncers (are these needed?) but I am wondering if a cheaper alternative exists... these encoders are literally a dollar a piece aren't they? --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, PeWe <ha-pewe@...> wrote:
> > We replaced the Schmitt-Trigger chips in my Xpander and cleaned the > rotarys w/ Servisol Super 10 switch cleaner even we had buyed > replacements alread and were about replacing the old ones. > My Xpander now works like new w/ the original rotarys. > I now have 2 originals left as spare parts ´cause these can be cleaned > too AND 6 of the new replacement encoders,- enough for the rest of my life. > > In fact, we did that by interest and were surprised how good it worked,- > so we kept the originals and it also saved some work and time. > > > Am 23.03.2013 21:11, schrieb Omar: > > > > I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that > > difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a > > slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted > > very tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the > > encoder shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from > > unit to unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it > > underneath the cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap > > itself. Once I got the blade under the edge, I only had to apply a > > small bit off pressure to lift them off. > > > > > > Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing > > the actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get > > off on a couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple > > of them which made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid > > connection. I eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious > > work though. > > > > good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders > > on the Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and > > "clicky" as the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation. > > And they turn much faster while still giving pecise movement when > > slowed down. > > > > > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote: > > > > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is > > out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer > > software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it. > > > > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the > > current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are > > glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened? > > Should they come off easily? > > > > Best regards > > > > >
2013-03-23 by Omar
I originally cleaned my encoders with Deoxit that I was given by DSI to clean my PolyEvolver (which degraded after only a year). I only did 2 drops in each encoder and everything worked perfectly...
However, the fix is only temporary (on both the DSI and Oberheim) and gradually the problems come back... on the DSI the problem was back in 1 year, on the Oberheim it took 2 years but I hadn't used it a lot in that time.
So I can do the same again or change the encoders and I am favouring the encoder change.
The question is... which encoders? I have seen the encoder set at syntaur and that also has debouncers (are these needed?) but I am wondering if a cheaper alternative exists... these encoders are literally a dollar a piece aren't they?
--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, PeWe wrote:
>
> We replaced the Schmitt-Trigger chips in my Xpander and cleaned the
> rotarys w/ Servisol Super 10 switch cleaner even we had buyed
> replacements alread and were about replacing the old ones.
> My Xpander now works like new w/ the original rotarys.
> I now have 2 originals left as spare parts ´cause these can be cleaned
> too AND 6 of the new replacement encoders,- enough for the rest of my life.
>
> In fact, we did that by interest and were surprised how good it worked,-
> so we kept the originals and it also saved some work and time.
>
>
> Am 23.03.2013 21:11, schrieb Omar:
> >
> > I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that
> > difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a
> > slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted
> > very tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the
> > encoder shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from
> > unit to unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it
> > underneath the cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap
> > itself. Once I got the blade under the edge, I only had to apply a
> > small bit off pressure to lift them off.
> >
> >
> > Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing
> > the actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get
> > off on a couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple
> > of them which made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid
> > connection. I eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious
> > work though.
> >
> > good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders
> > on the Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and
> > "clicky" as the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation.
> > And they turn much faster while still giving pecise movement when
> > slowed down.
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
> >
> > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is
> > out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer
> > software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
> >
> > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the
> > current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are
> > glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened?
> > Should they come off easily?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
>
2013-03-23 by orangefunk
Thanks I will look into getting the Syntaur solution... it isn't so expensive really... --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:
>
> I agree, cleaning is a temporary solution IMO and I've had similar
> experiences as you.
>
> you need the debounce capacitors. And the kit I used was the same kit from
> Syntaur. High quality encoders and well worth it.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I originally cleaned my encoders with Deoxit that I was given by DSI to
> > clean my PolyEvolver (which degraded after only a year). I only did 2 drops
> > in each encoder and everything worked perfectly...
> >
> > However, the fix is only temporary (on both the DSI and Oberheim) and
> > gradually the problems come back... on the DSI the problem was back in 1
> > year, on the Oberheim it took 2 years but I hadn't used it a lot in that
> > time.
> >
> > So I can do the same again or change the encoders and I am favouring the
> > encoder change.
> >
> > The question is... which encoders? I have seen the encoder set at syntaur
> > and that also has debouncers (are these needed?) but I am wondering if a
> > cheaper alternative exists... these encoders are literally a dollar a piece
> > aren't they?
> >
> > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com');>, PeWe <ha-pewe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We replaced the Schmitt-Trigger chips in my Xpander and cleaned the
> > > rotarys w/ Servisol Super 10 switch cleaner even we had buyed
> > > replacements alread and were about replacing the old ones.
> > > My Xpander now works like new w/ the original rotarys.
> > > I now have 2 originals left as spare parts ´cause these can be cleaned
> > > too AND 6 of the new replacement encoders,- enough for the rest of my
> > life.
> > >
> > > In fact, we did that by interest and were surprised how good it worked,-
> > > so we kept the originals and it also saved some work and time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 23.03.2013 21:11, schrieb Omar:
> > > >
> > > > I recently replaced the encoders on my Xpander and it was not that
> > > > difficult to get the caps off the encoders. they should come up with a
> > > > slight amount of pressure. The tricky part is that they are fitted
> > > > very tight with very little "space" between the cap and the rim of the
> > > > encoder shaft (at least mine were fitted very tight. It may vary from
> > > > unit to unit). I had to use an exacto-blade and carefully work it
> > > > underneath the cap edge as to not damage the encoder or the cap
> > > > itself. Once I got the blade under the edge, I only had to apply a
> > > > small bit off pressure to lift them off.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also make sure you use the right desoldering technique when replacing
> > > > the actual encoders. The old solder on my Xpander was difficult to get
> > > > off on a couple of the encoders, and eventually I had to clip a couple
> > > > of them which made it diificult to get the new ones to get a solid
> > > > connection. I eventually got a stable solder down. Long and tedious
> > > > work though.
> > > >
> > > > good luck. Its worth it in the end. I love the feel of new encoders
> > > > on the Xpander. They are still detented, but nowhere near as loud and
> > > > "clicky" as the originals were. Much smoother and quiter operation.
> > > > And they turn much faster while still giving pecise movement when
> > > > slowed down.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, orangefunk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thinking of replacing the encoders at some point as one of them is
> > > > out and another is intermittent. I have the excellent Xplorer
> > > > software but functions like pan position aren't possible from it.
> > > >
> > > > But I am having some concern about how to remove the caps from the
> > > > current encoders. The ones on my Matrix 12 feel like they are
> > > > glued on and won't budge a millimetre. How are they fastened?
> > > > Should they come off easily?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>2013-03-23 by PeWe
\ufffdgood to know as an option. Ive used cleaning solutions on some of my other gear, like my System-100m. However usually it does not change the physical "feel" of the pot/fader movement. So if it feels tough to move or doesnt slide smoothly and evenly, then it usually needs to be replaced regardless of how much cleaning you do.
Im just very particular of how faders/pots feel to the touch when being moved. Its part of the hands-on experience and "feeling" the quality of the instrument.
how do your Xpander encoders feel after cleaning them?
2013-03-23 by Omar
>>>
Am 23.03.2013 21:49, schrieb Omar:
good to know as an option. Ive used cleaning solutions on some of my other gear, like my System-100m. However usually it does not change the physical "feel" of the pot/fader movement. So if it feels tough to move or doesnt slide smoothly and evenly, then it usually needs to be replaced regardless of how much cleaning you do.
The original encoders never felt "smooth",- I´m 1st owner of my Xpander.
But they are very rugged and any replacements aren´t !
When we ordered the replacement encoders from Mouser, one soldering lug broke on one of the encoders while unpacking,- and we did it careful !
Im just very particular of how faders/pots feel to the touch when being moved. Its part of the hands-on experience and "feeling" the quality of the instrument.
The instrument is and keeps a quality one also w/ the original encoders.
I´m sure these are cleanable for several times and I had to do it for the 1st time after a quarter of a century.
That said,- I replaced 2 of ´em many years ago w/ original parts,- that´s why I have 2 left over now.
The Schmitt Trigger chips are very responsible for the functionality of the rotary encoders and it was already much better after replacement of the chips w/ rotarys uncleaned.
The clean job was the ice on the cake then.
I haven´t done it myself,- my tech did and he worked in a very well known music shop in my hometown as a service tech already in the 80s, so he had experience disassembling the Xpander and opening the rotarys.
We did a almost complete overhaul, step by step and up to now,- replaced all switches and re-capped the PSU.
I also had the issue tuning proceedure failed on some voices randomly when pushing the [ALL] button.
After the switch was replaced,- no issues anymore so it seemed it double triggered.
My original intention was also to replace all the 2.2uF voiceboard caps,- but that was totally unnecessary,- it works and sounds like a charme again.
Now for the future, I don´t want to overstress the beauty like I did when touring w/ it,- so I´ll buy Xplorer application in addition.
I hope it gets Multi-Patch support one day.
how do your Xpander encoders feel after cleaning them?
They feel like they did when I buyed it new,- see above ...
They are relatively loud and have some resistance though.
But I´ve found it better to keep the instrument as original as it can be,- so replacing stuff by other parts is the last option for me.
I´m pretty sure, none of todays replacement encoder will last that long as the originals did and do.
I´m happy I didn´t have to modify much,- not to deal w/ different encoder bushing sizes and different debounce parts.
Your milage may vary ...
PeWe
2013-03-23 by PeWe
\ufffdThanks I will look into getting the Syntaur solution... it isn't so expensive really...
2013-03-23 by Tobbe Bergman
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Am 23.03.2013 21:49, schrieb Omar:
good to know as an option. Ive used cleaning solutions on some of my other gear, like my System-100m. However usually it does not change the physical "feel" of the pot/fader movement. So if it feels tough to move or doesnt slide smoothly and evenly, then it usually needs to be replaced regardless of how much cleaning you do.
The original encoders never felt "smooth",- I´m 1st owner of my Xpander.
But they are very rugged and any replacements aren´t !
When we ordered the replacement encoders from Mouser, one soldering lug broke on one of the encoders while unpacking,- and we did it careful !
Im just very particular of how faders/pots feel to the touch when being moved. Its part of the hands-on experience and "feeling" the quality of the instrument.
The instrument is and keeps a quality one also w/ the original encoders.
I´m sure these are cleanable for several times and I had to do it for the 1st time after a quarter of a century.
That said,- I replaced 2 of ´em many years ago w/ original parts,- that´s why I have 2 left over now.
The Schmitt Trigger chips are very responsible for the functionality of the rotary encoders and it was already much better after replacement of the chips w/ rotarys uncleaned.
The clean job was the ice on the cake then.
I haven´t done it myself,- my tech did and he worked in a very well known music shop in my hometown as a service tech already in the 80s, so he had experience disassembling the Xpander and opening the rotarys.
We did a almost complete overhaul, step by step and up to now,- replaced all switches and re-capped the PSU.
I also had the issue tuning proceedure failed on some voices randomly when pushing the [ALL] button.
After the switch was replaced,- no issues anymore so it seemed it double triggered.
My original intention was also to replace all the 2.2uF voiceboard caps,- but that was totally unnecessary,- it works and sounds like a charme again.
Now for the future, I don´t want to overstress the beauty like I did when touring w/ it,- so I´ll buy Xplorer application in addition.
I hope it gets Multi-Patch support one day.
how do your Xpander encoders feel after cleaning them?
They feel like they did when I buyed it new,- see above ...
They are relatively loud and have some resistance though.
But I´ve found it better to keep the instrument as original as it can be,- so replacing stuff by other parts is the last option for me.
I´m pretty sure, none of todays replacement encoder will last that long as the originals did and do.
I´m happy I didn´t have to modify much,- not to deal w/ different encoder bushing sizes and different debounce parts.
Your milage may vary ...
PeWe
2013-03-23 by PeWe
\ufffdthe new encoders from Syntaur are MUCH better than the originals and are\ufffdhigh quality. I don't see any reason why they wouldnt last as long or longer than the NOS encoders.\ufffd
2013-03-23 by Omar
I´d go for that kit too when in need to replace,- just because it´s complete w/ the rubber rings and debounce caps.
But I think the encoders are the same we ordered from Mouser.
Unfortunately my tech ordered using his paypal account, so I don´t have the part numbers at hand actually.
Compared to the originals, these aren´t inspiring confidence very much.
But when your rotarys are totally worn out, you have no option.
I´d try replacing Schmitt-Triggers 1st, then clean the originals and when it doesn´t help,- then replace.
PeWe
Am 23.03.2013 22:21, schrieb orangefunk:
Thanks I will look into getting the Syntaur solution... it isn't so expensive really...
2013-03-23 by PeWe
\ufffdIf you don't recap, caps could fail and in turn destroy CEM chips like filters and oscillators.
I had to replace a CEM\ufffd3374\ufffd "Dual VCO chip "due to a capacitor had failed, very expensive component and very hard to find !
2013-03-23 by PeWe
\ufffdif you said the replacments your purchased were just as loud and\ufffdas "clicky" as the originals, then I'm telling you they are not the same.\ufffd
2013-03-23 by WT
----- Original Message -----From: PeWeSent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:00 PMSubject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps
I didn´t replace any encoder in the end,- just replaced the Schmitt-Trigger chips and cleaned the original rotarys w/ Servisol Super 10 !
The replacements are still in the box,- o.k. ?
Even the 2 rotarys which were replaced in 1990 were new original Oberheim parts.
There´s nothing not being original in my Xpander and I like that !
Am 23.03.2013 22:49, schrieb Omar:if you said the replacments your purchased were just as loud and as "clicky" as the originals, then I'm telling you they are not the same.
2013-04-14 by orangefunk
I fitted the Syntaur kit over the weekend and it works a treat. It was quite a lot of soldering and exchanging of capacitors though (removal of 12 capacitors and soldering in of 18). I am just thankful it works :) Just a comment though, I think the resolution of the encoders has changed as now it takes two or three clicks to change a value... not so bad really and easy to get used to... maybe I am wrong but weren't the original encoders one click to an increment/decrement? --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:
> > the new encoders from Syntaur are MUCH better than the originals and are high > quality. I don't see any reason why they wouldnt last as long or longer > than the NOS encoders. > > > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013, PeWe wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Am 23.03.2013 21:49, schrieb Omar: > > > > > > > > good to know as an option. Ive used cleaning solutions on some of my other > > gear, like my System-100m. However usually it does not change the physical > > "feel" of the pot/fader movement. So if it feels tough to move or doesnt > > slide smoothly and evenly, then it usually needs to be replaced regardless > > of how much cleaning you do. > > > > > > The original encoders never felt "smooth",- I´m 1st owner of my Xpander. > > But they are very rugged and any replacements aren´t ! > > > > When we ordered the replacement encoders from Mouser, one soldering lug > > broke on one of the encoders while unpacking,- and we did it careful ! > > > > > > Im just very particular of how faders/pots feel to the touch when being > > moved. Its part of the hands-on experience and "feeling" the quality of the > > instrument. > > > > > > The instrument is and keeps a quality one also w/ the original encoders. > > > > I´m sure these are cleanable for several times and I had to do it for the > > 1st time after a quarter of a century. > > That said,- I replaced 2 of ´em many years ago w/ original parts,- that´s > > why I have 2 left over now. > > > > The Schmitt Trigger chips are very responsible for the functionality of > > the rotary encoders and it was already much better after replacement of the > > chips w/ rotarys uncleaned. > > The clean job was the ice on the cake then. > > I haven´t done it myself,- my tech did and he worked in a very well known > > music shop in my hometown as a service tech already in the 80s, so he had > > experience disassembling the Xpander and opening the rotarys. > > > > We did a almost complete overhaul, step by step and up to now,- replaced > > all switches and re-capped the PSU. > > > > I also had the issue tuning proceedure failed on some voices randomly when > > pushing the [ALL] button. > > After the switch was replaced,- no issues anymore so it seemed it double > > triggered. > > > > My original intention was also to replace all the 2.2uF voiceboard caps,- > > but that was totally unnecessary,- it works and sounds like a charme again. > > > > Now for the future, I don´t want to overstress the beauty like I did when > > touring w/ it,- so I´ll buy Xplorer application in addition. > > I hope it gets Multi-Patch support one day. > > > > > > how do your Xpander encoders feel after cleaning them? > > > > > > They feel like they did when I buyed it new,- see above ... > > They are relatively loud and have some resistance though. > > > > But I´ve found it better to keep the instrument as original as it can be,- > > so replacing stuff by other parts is the last option for me. > > I´m pretty sure, none of todays replacement encoder will last that long as > > the originals did and do. > > > > I´m happy I didn´t have to modify much,- not to deal w/ different encoder > > bushing sizes and different debounce parts. > > > > Your milage may vary ... > > > > PeWe > > > > > > >
2013-04-14 by PeWe
\ufffd
I fitted the Syntaur kit over the weekend and it works a treat. It was quite a lot of soldering and exchanging of capacitors though (removal of 12 capacitors and soldering in of 18). I am just thankful it works :)
Just a comment though, I think the resolution of the encoders has changed as now it takes two or three clicks to change a value... not so bad really and easy to get used to... maybe I am wrong but weren't the original encoders one click to an increment/decrement?
2013-04-14 by Neil Loughran
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Am 14.04.2013 07:02, schrieb orangefunk:
I fitted the Syntaur kit over the weekend and it works a treat. It was quite a lot of soldering and exchanging of capacitors though (removal of 12 capacitors and soldering in of 18). I am just thankful it works :)
good to know because I have ´em bookmarked for the case mine stop working correctly in future and after I cleaned the original ones.
Just a comment though, I think the resolution of the encoders has changed as now it takes two or three clicks to change a value... not so bad really and easy to get used to... maybe I am wrong but weren't the original encoders one click to an increment/decrement?
This is not good IMO and sad to hear now.
Yes, the originals are 1 click per increment/decrement value,- and that´s what mine do after I cleaned ´em and replaced the 2 Schmitt-Trigger chips.
2 or 3 clicks per value isn´t original behaviour.
PeWe
2013-04-14 by PeWe
\ufffdYeah seems a shame to me as well\u2026
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Omar
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Neil Loughran
its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Omar
Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Neil Loughran
yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Ancient Eyeball Recipe
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Neil Loughran
I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by endofcommon@...
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Ancient Eyeball Recipe
Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. Works great…
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@...> wrote:I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@gmail.com> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by robert hall
too bad osx version is not available-i'm not going to use windows on mac software personally ________________________________ From: "endofcommon@gmail.com" <endofcommon@...> To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: >that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application. > > > > >>Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. Works great… >> >> >>with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part... >> >> >> >> >> >>On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@...> wrote: >> >> >>>I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? >>>>http://xplorer.programmer.free.fr/bb/viewtopic.php?id=10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Worth checking out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Don´t know ... >>>>>>>>>If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution. >>>>>>>>>It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year. >>>>>>>>>Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job. >>>>>>>>>Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job. >>>>>>>>>When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yeah seems a shame to me as well… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Still its better than them not working at all I suppose. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
2013-04-14 by Neil Loughran
Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote:that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. Works great…
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@...> wrote:I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@gmail.com> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by endofcommon@...
that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. Works great…
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@...t> wrote:I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Omar
I don't think so mate.
I did see an iPad editor for the Matrix and Xpander on ebay but it looked terrible. It was kinda generic and there were other synth editors by the seller that looked the same.On 14 Apr 2013, at 23:09, endofcommon@... wrote:Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote:that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. Works great…
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@...> wrote:I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Omar
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.Worth checking out.On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:15, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:Look forward to hearing about that Omar. Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. Less noisy for sure..On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine.I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW, Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
Don´t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don´t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it´s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don´t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that´s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it´s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I´m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
2013-04-14 by Karl Schmeer
Have you changed your encoders already? The reason I ask, This is how my encoders were behaving for awhile. (multiple clicks per Inc/Dec) Eventually this got worse, so I pulled out my Oscilloscope and after some checking, I found the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing. I replaced all of these and it's worked fine ever since. I have never cleaned em. And they have seen some heavy use for years now. Best Karl ________________________________
From: Omar <holografique@...> To: "xpantastic@yahoogroups.com" <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 2:15:50 PM Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps >yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems >random. snip
2013-04-14 by Omar
Have you changed your encoders already?
The reason I ask, This is how my encoders were behaving for awhile. (multiple
clicks per Inc/Dec)
Eventually this got worse, so I pulled out my Oscilloscope and after some
checking, I found
the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing. I
replaced all of these
and it's worked fine ever since. I have never cleaned em. And they have
seen some heavy use for years now.
Best
Karl
________________________________
From: Omar <holografique@...>
To: "xpantastic@yahoogroups.com" <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 2:15:50 PM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps
>yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems
>random.
snip
2013-04-14 by Karl Schmeer
Okay, I see now. Please let us know how that turns out. Karl ________________________________ From: Omar <holografique@...> To: "xpantastic@yahoogroups.com" <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 5:26:12 PM Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps the issue we're referring to here has to do with new encoders, not the originals. The replacement kit that Syntaur sells uses a pot that doesn't meet the exact specs of the originals. Hence the issue. Syntaur has found a new part that does meet the original spec of "1-click per value" and I will be testing them soon. -o
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Karl Schmeer wrote: > > >Have you changed your encoders already? >The reason I ask, This is how my encoders were behaving for awhile. (multiple >clicks per Inc/Dec) >Eventually this got worse, so I pulled out my Oscilloscope and after some >checking, I found > >the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing. I >replaced all of these >and it's worked fine ever since. I have never cleaned em. And they have >seen some heavy use for years now. > >Best > >Karl > >________________________________ >From: Omar <holografique@...> >To: "xpantastic@yahoogroups.com" <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 2:15:50 PM >Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps > > >>yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it doesnt always happen, just seems >>random. > >snip >
2013-04-15 by PeWe
\ufffdI found the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing.\ufffd I
replaced all of these and it's\ufffdworked fine ever since.