AVR-Chat

A good way to fill in time is to browse through the thousands of old
messages, all carefully archived by our efficient moderators.
On reading the original message number 22, I would remind the writer
that we in Australia are not "Down Under" and that such a concept
arouses in us some considerable resentment.
In fact we are the ones at the top of the world, people in Washington
DC in particularly being "upside down" as judged by the number of
jokes on the web about a certain Bush that grows there. I can prove
this because as I sit at my computer my head is pointing upwards
towards the sky. I also regularly sing that old Carpenters song "On
the top of the world".
Ted Smith

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage" <MeasureTech@a...>
wrote:
>
> I was recently told that down yonder everyone is required to vote,
that it is

> the law and carries a penalty of $20.00 or so.
> 
> 	1.  Is this true?  If so, cool.
> 
> 	2.  Can you guide me to where I can get a copy of the law.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> REB
>

As the writer of this original message, and a resident of the Southern 
United Sates of America, I can assure you that there is a pretty fer 
difference between the expression "down yonder" and the expression "down 
under" to which you apparently take offense.

As for your resentment, perhaps one might also remind you that unless 
you are a resident of these United States of America you might just keep 
your opinions to yourself unless you would like to come here and 
participate as a citizen.  Until the day comes that you have fought for 
this nation, perhaps to see friends and family members die for it and 
all it stands for, you really ought to mind your own business.  And yes, 
I have.

As for the direction in which your head points, I suspect that it may be 
pointing upwards toward the sky but the question remains...what 
obstacles are in the way of the sun shining on your face and what odors 
waft across your nostrils due to its physical location?


REB


Ted Smith wrote:

>A good way to fill in time is to browse through the thousands of old
>messages, all carefully archived by our efficient moderators.
>On reading the original message number 22, I would remind the writer
>that we in Australia are not "Down Under" and that such a concept
>arouses in us some considerable resentment.
>In fact we are the ones at the top of the world, people in Washington
>DC in particularly being "upside down" as judged by the number of
>jokes on the web about a certain Bush that grows there. I can prove
>this because as I sit at my computer my head is pointing upwards
>towards the sky. I also regularly sing that old Carpenters song "On
>the top of the world".
>Ted Smith
>
>--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage" <MeasureTech@a...>
>wrote:
>  
>
>>I was recently told that down yonder everyone is required to vote,
>>    
>>
>that it is
>  
>
>>the law and carries a penalty of $20.00 or so.
>>
>>	1.  Is this true?  If so, cool.
>>
>>	2.  Can you guide me to where I can get a copy of the law.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>REB
>>
>>    
>>
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Keep it civil please!

For those up yonder that don't understand those from down under the earlier 
Author was expressing humour. Perhaps in future we will place a laugh track to 
go with it to indicate such.

( For the purpose of clarity the above statement constitutes a mix of humour and 
sarcasm with no intent to offend. Well no more than the average level of offence 
that we from the land of oz toss about as the norm ;-)

Don

oy E. Burrage wrote:

> As the writer of this original message, and a resident of the Southern 
> United Sates of America, I can assure you that there is a pretty fer 
> difference between the expression "down yonder" and the expression "down 
> under" to which you apparently take offense.
> 
> As for your resentment, perhaps one might also remind you that unless 
> you are a resident of these United States of America you might just keep 
> your opinions to yourself unless you would like to come here and 
> participate as a citizen.  Until the day comes that you have fought for 
> this nation, perhaps to see friends and family members die for it and 
> all it stands for, you really ought to mind your own business.  And yes, 
> I have.
> 
> As for the direction in which your head points, I suspect that it may be 
> pointing upwards toward the sky but the question remains...what 
> obstacles are in the way of the sun shining on your face and what odors 
> waft across your nostrils due to its physical location?
> 
> 
> REB
> 
> 
> Ted Smith wrote:
>> A good way to fill in time is to browse through the thousands of old
>> messages, all carefully archived by our efficient moderators.
>> On reading the original message number 22, I would remind the writer
>> that we in Australia are not "Down Under" and that such a concept
>> arouses in us some considerable resentment.
>> In fact we are the ones at the top of the world, people in Washington
>> DC in particularly being "upside down" as judged by the number of
>> jokes on the web about a certain Bush that grows there. I can prove
>> this because as I sit at my computer my head is pointing upwards
>> towards the sky. I also regularly sing that old Carpenters song "On
>> the top of the world".
>> Ted Smith
>>
>> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage" <MeasureTech@a...>
>> wrote:
>>   
>>> I was recently told that down yonder everyone is required to vote,
>>>     
>> that it is
>>   
>>> the law and carries a penalty of $20.00 or so.
>>>
>>> 	1.  Is this true?  If so, cool.
>>>
>>> 	2.  Can you guide me to where I can get a copy of the law.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> REB
>>>

ROFL!!!!  Ahh, its the simple things that crack me up :)  
 
Roy ligthten up, Ted was fishing with live bait without a licence!!  Seems
his fish caught not only the hook, line and sinker, but the reel, fisherman,
and boat all in one go !  ;)  
 
Way to go Ted !!!
<sarcasm>
" ...but it doesn't qualify!!! The real was in the holder when fish
struck".... and yes, I'm sure 'I know where you want to mount it' !  ;)
</>
 
Oh, and back on topic : YES, there is LAW's downunder that we have to vote.
NFI about downyonder! 
downunderversion: Every person's name is at local district polling booths,
printed and bound in a large folder/register and has about ~150 names per A4
page. when you enter the polling centers your name gets marked of very
carefully vith ruler and pen. Only then do you get your ballot papers...
Every book/register then would need top be comparred and details known of
who voted at what poll, so they dont recieve a fine... I dare say its 'every
one gets a fine mentality' until they get marked off, and not the other way
around... 
 
oh, and guys/gals, lets not confuse those that are 'upside down' with our
Aussie humour, we really should drop in the odd tag or two <g,d,r><flame></>
etc oh and a few smileys wouldn't hurt  ;)
 
Oh, and yes in all seriousness, we need a licence to go fishing nowadays
too, about $10 or so I'm told at your local bait shop... !!!! 
http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/recreational/Fishing-Fee/about_the_licence
Ted is yours current ?? <smirk>  ;)
 
 
/~darren
( downunder, without a fishing licence ;)

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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roy E. Burrage
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 2:33 AM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Way OT: A question for our Aussie friends...


As the writer of this original message, and a resident of the Southern
United Sates of America, I can assure you that there is a pretty fer
difference between the expression "down yonder" and the expression "down
under" to which you apparently take offense.

As for your resentment, perhaps one might also remind you that unless you
are a resident of these United States of America you might just keep your
opinions to yourself unless you would like to come here and participate as a
citizen.  Until the day comes that you have fought for this nation, perhaps
to see friends and family members die for it and all it stands for, you
really ought to mind your own business.  And yes, I have.

As for the direction in which your head points, I suspect that it may be
pointing upwards toward the sky but the question remains...what obstacles
are in the way of the sun shining on your face and what odors waft across
your nostrils due to its physical location?


REB


Ted Smith wrote:


A good way to fill in time is to browse through the thousands of old

messages, all carefully archived by our efficient moderators.

On reading the original message number 22, I would remind the writer

that we in Australia are not "Down Under" and that such a concept

arouses in us some considerable resentment.

In fact we are the ones at the top of the world, people in Washington

DC in particularly being "upside down" as judged by the number of

jokes on the web about a certain Bush that grows there. I can prove

this because as I sit at my computer my head is pointing upwards

towards the sky. I also regularly sing that old Carpenters song "On

the top of the world".

Ted Smith



--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage"  <mailto:MeasureTech@a...>
<MeasureTech@a...>

wrote:

  

I was recently told that down yonder everyone is required to vote,

    

that it is

  

the law and carries a penalty of $20.00 or so.



	1.  Is this true?  If so, cool.



	2.  Can you guide me to where I can get a copy of the law.



Thanks in advance.



REB



    













 

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Funny how this list suggest there should be no politic or religion. 
Probably for the bad blood it brings out.

This should answer the origional question and maybe we can all get on 
with our lives.

http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/How/backgrounders/17/EB_17_Compulsory_Vot
ing.pdf

Cheers

upctoys wrote:

> Funny how this list suggest there should be no politic or religion. 
> Probably for the bad blood it brings out.
> 
> This should answer the origional question and maybe we can all get on 
> with our lives.
> 
> http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/How/backgrounders/17/EB_17_Compulsory_Vot
> ing.pdf
> 
> Cheers

I added the no politics or Religion bit about 5 months ago, this post started 
WAYYYY before then......




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It appears that not only can you all not abide by the rules of the list, 
but cannot even abide by specific requests by at least two (2) of the 
list moderators and list owners.  If we were speaking face-to-face I 
would tell you to clean the shit our of your ears...but we're not, so 
you'll just have to accept my goodbye.  It's been some time since there 
was actually any bona fide discussion of serious technical issues here 
so I truly see no point in remaining a subscriber.

I trust, Darren, that as you grow up you learn to write and perchance 
even learn to spell as well as use proper grammar.  I hope your code is 
better than what you've written below.  Maybe you and Ted can go fishing 
together, as long as his rheumatiz isn't acting up.  Both of you are 
real brave when you're half a world away and communicating over an 
internet connection.

As a subscriber to both of the original lists and this one from its 
inception I'll miss the old folks...Dave, Kat, Les, Larry, Chuck, Bernd, 
Andy, Dave, Jesper and the rest.

AMF.


REB


Darren Worley wrote:

> ROFL!!!!  Ahh, its the simple things that crack me up :)  
>  
> Roy ligthten up, Ted was fishing with live bait without a 
> licence!!  Seems his fish caught not only the hook, line and sinker, 
> but the reel, fisherman, and boat all in one go !  ;) 
>  
> Way to go Ted !!!
> <sarcasm>
> " ...but it doesn't qualify!!! The real was in the holder when fish 
> struck".... and yes, I'm sure 'I know where you want to mount it' !  ;)
> </>
>  
> Oh, and back on topic : YES, there is LAW's downunder that we have to 
> vote. NFI about downyonder!
> downunderversion: Every person's name is at local district polling 
> booths, printed and bound in a large folder/register and has about 
> ~150 names per A4 page. when you enter the polling centers your name 
> gets marked of very carefully vith ruler and pen. Only then do you 
> get your ballot papers... Every book/register then would need top be 
> comparred and details known of who voted at what poll, so they dont 
> recieve a fine... I dare say its 'every one gets a fine mentality' 
> until they get marked off, and not the other way around...
>  
> oh, and guys/gals, lets not confuse those that are 'upside down' with 
> our Aussie humour, we really should drop in the odd tag or 
> two <g,d,r><flame></> etc oh and a few smileys wouldn't hurt  ;)
>  
> Oh, and yes in all seriousness, we need a licence to go fishing 
> nowadays too, about $10 or so I'm told at your local bait shop... !!!!
> http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/recreational/Fishing-Fee/about_the_licence
> Ted is yours current ?? <smirk>  ;)
>  
>  
> /~darren
> ( downunder, without a fishing licence ;)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Roy E. Burrage
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 2:33 AM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Way OT: A question for our Aussie friends...
>
> As the writer of this original message, and a resident of the Southern 
> United Sates of America, I can assure you that there is a pretty fer 
> difference between the expression "down yonder" and the expression 
> "down under" to which you apparently take offense.
>
> As for your resentment, perhaps one might also remind you that unless 
> you are a resident of these United States of America you might just 
> keep your opinions to yourself unless you would like to come here and 
> participate as a citizen.  Until the day comes that you have fought 
> for this nation, perhaps to see friends and family members die for it 
> and all it stands for, you really ought to mind your own business.  
> And yes, I have.
>
> As for the direction in which your head points, I suspect that it may 
> be pointing upwards toward the sky but the question remains...what 
> obstacles are in the way of the sun shining on your face and what 
> odors waft across your nostrils due to its physical location?
>
>
> REB
>
>
> Ted Smith wrote:
>
>>A good way to fill in time is to browse through the thousands of old
>>messages, all carefully archived by our efficient moderators.
>>On reading the original message number 22, I would remind the writer
>>that we in Australia are not "Down Under" and that such a concept
>>arouses in us some considerable resentment.
>>In fact we are the ones at the top of the world, people in Washington
>>DC in particularly being "upside down" as judged by the number of
>>jokes on the web about a certain Bush that grows there. I can prove
>>this because as I sit at my computer my head is pointing upwards
>>towards the sky. I also regularly sing that old Carpenters song "On
>>the top of the world".
>>Ted Smith
>>
>>--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage" <MeasureTech@a...>
>>wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>I was recently told that down yonder everyone is required to vote,
>>>    
>>>
>>that it is
>>  
>>
>>>the law and carries a penalty of $20.00 or so.
>>>
>>>	1.  Is this true?  If so, cool.
>>>
>>>	2.  Can you guide me to where I can get a copy of the law.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>REB
>>>
>>>    
>>>
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--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage" <RBurrage@b...> wrote:
>
> It appears that not only can you all not abide by the rules of the 
list, 
> but cannot even abide by specific requests by at least two (2) of the 
> list moderators and list owners.  

Well, I'm pretty disgusted by this turn of events. 
Unfortunately I can't unwind the clock. I've contacted Roy privately, 
and talked to him about it.

A gentle nudge from a list admin OUGHT to be enough warning to tone it 
down, even if YOU don't think it's necessary.  This list is not known 
for draconian moderation, nor will it be.  I broke away from Kalle's 
original AVR list, and started the group that would become this list 
years ago, because of that sort of moderation.

I would hope that the others involved would at least have the civility 
to contact Roy privately, and apologize.

I also thought this list was partially condoned and/or sponsored by Atmel. I 
assume they would not appreciate the tenor or direction either.
Dennis
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@dvanhorn.org>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Re: Way OT: A question for our Aussie friends...


> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Roy E. Burrage" <RBurrage@b...> wrote:
>>
>> It appears that not only can you all not abide by the rules of the
> list,
>> but cannot even abide by specific requests by at least two (2) of the
>> list moderators and list owners.
>
> Well, I'm pretty disgusted by this turn of events.
> Unfortunately I can't unwind the clock. I've contacted Roy privately,
> and talked to him about it.
>
> A gentle nudge from a list admin OUGHT to be enough warning to tone it
> down, even if YOU don't think it's necessary.  This list is not known
> for draconian moderation, nor will it be.  I broke away from Kalle's
> original AVR list, and started the group that would become this list
> years ago, because of that sort of moderation.
>
> I would hope that the others involved would at least have the civility
> to contact Roy privately, and apologize.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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Dennis wrote:
> I also thought this list was partially condoned and/or sponsored by Atmel. I 
> assume they would not appreciate the tenor or direction either.
> Dennis

Nope, This is a public list, no Atmel sponsoring or anything (although if 
Atmel did want to sponsor me with say an ICE50 or a new JTAG MKII I would not 
complain ;)



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Tried to talk an American distributor down from $299 to $195 at the end of 
2005, clear inventory, etc. He never responded to email and quit shortly 
thereafter.
D
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From: "Kathy Quinlan" <kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Way OT: A question for our Aussie friends...


> Dennis wrote:
>> I also thought this list was partially condoned and/or sponsored by 
>> Atmel. I
>> assume they would not appreciate the tenor or direction either.
>> Dennis
>
> Nope, This is a public list, no Atmel sponsoring or anything (although if
> Atmel did want to sponsor me with say an ICE50 or a new JTAG MKII I would 
> not
> complain ;)
>
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Hi
1. Yes, my suspicions are confirmed that gentlemen from the South of
US of A have a limited sense of humour and the slightest hint of
criticism sends makes their hair rise like a grizzly bear.
2. We in Australia are intensely proud that some of our ancestors gave
their lives to make sure people could vote and it is certainly not the
threat of a fine that pulls us to the voting booths. Our voting system
, as a result of these controls, is virtually impossible to rig.
Not so as was recently so easily done by a certain citizen of Texas
with hardly a whimper from citizens who's friends gave their lives for
their "freedom".
3. Luckily I am over 65 so I am exempt from the requirement of a
fishing licence. The fees from this licence are used manage our
pristine sensitive natural ocean environment, one that is now
virtually non existent in the north eastern coast of the Pacific Ocean.
Have fun
Ted


--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Darren Worley" <darren@w...> wrote:
>
> ROFL!!!!  Ahh, its the simple things that crack me up :)  
>  
> Roy ligthten up, Ted was fishing with live bait without a licence!!
 Seems
> his fish caught not only the hook, line and sinker, but the reel,
fisherman,
> and boat all in one go !  ;)  
>  
> Way to go Ted !!!
> <sarcasm>
> " ...but it doesn't qualify!!! The real was in the holder when fish
> struck".... and yes, I'm sure 'I know where you want to mount it' !  ;)
> </>
>  
> Oh, and back on topic : YES, there is LAW's downunder that we have
to vote.
> NFI about downyonder! 
> downunderversion: Every person's name is at local district polling
booths,
> printed and bound in a large folder/register and has about ~150
names per A4
> page. when you enter the polling centers your name gets marked of very
> carefully vith ruler and pen. Only then do you get your ballot papers...
> Every book/register then would need top be comparred and details
known of
> who voted at what poll, so they dont recieve a fine... I dare say
its 'every
> one gets a fine mentality' until they get marked off, and not the
other way
> around... 
>  
> oh, and guys/gals, lets not confuse those that are 'upside down'
with our
> Aussie humour, we really should drop in the odd tag or two
<g,d,r><flame></>
> etc oh and a few smileys wouldn't hurt  ;)
>  
> Oh, and yes in all seriousness, we need a licence to go fishing nowadays
> too, about $10 or so I'm told at your local bait shop... !!!! 
>
http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/recreational/Fishing-Fee/about_the_licence
> Ted is yours current ?? <smirk>  ;)
>  
>  
> /~darren
> ( downunder, without a fishing licence ;)
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Roy E. Burrage
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 2:33 AM
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Way OT: A question for our Aussie friends...
> 
> 
> As the writer of this original message, and a resident of the Southern
> United Sates of America, I can assure you that there is a pretty fer
> difference between the expression "down yonder" and the expression "down
> under" to which you apparently take offense.
> 
> As for your resentment, perhaps one might also remind you that
unless you
> are a resident of these United States of America you might just keep
your
> opinions to yourself unless you would like to come here and
participate as a
> citizen.  Until the day comes that you have fought for this nation,
perhaps
> to see friends and family members die for it and all it stands for, you
> really ought to mind your own business.  And yes, I have.
> 
> As for the direction in which your head points, I suspect that it may be
> pointing upwards toward the sky but the question remains...what
obstacles
> are in the way of the sun shining on your face and what odors waft
across
> your nostrils due to its physical location?
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> Ted Smith wrote:
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> On reading the original message number 22, I would remind the writer
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> that we in Australia are not "Down Under" and that such a concept
> 
> arouses in us some considerable resentment.
> 
> In fact we are the ones at the top of the world, people in Washington
> 
> DC in particularly being "upside down" as judged by the number of
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> the top of the world".
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> 
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> 
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After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
on the subject.
It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
things straight.
I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
Ted

Ted Smith wrote:
> After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
> for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
> on the subject.
> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
> things straight.
> I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
> Ted

I couldn't care less if we were called "down under", because we are
when considering the traditional top end as the north pole. I know
no one else that would object to it either.

OTOH, our "leaders" cutting freedoms by slavishly following Bush beating
about the bushes to flush out "commies" and "terrorists" is what most of
us down-under object to.

Ted Smith wrote:
 > I want to use an ATMEGA16 to drive three sets of transistors to each
 > switch 6 high brigtness LEDs in parallel from 1 output (240ma per set).
 > There is not enough current in the AVR to connect the LEDs directly
 > without additional parts.
 > I propose to connect the AVR output pins directly to the base of a NPN
 > transistor.
 > Initially for the lights to be off, I would program the port pin as an
 > output at 0 volts so the NPN transistor would not conduct.
 > To make the lights go on, I would change the port to an input (with
 > pullup resistor enabled). This internal 10k pull up resistor would
 > easily sink the transistor on and light up the leds connected between
 > the collector and vcc+ with their 165 ohm dropping resistors.
 > This would need no extra base resistors.
 >
 > 1. Can anyone see any problem with this?

You'll need to use darlingtons for more gain, or waste power with smaller
pullup resistors.

 > 2. Is there any limit to the number of times you can change from an
 > input to an output and back again?

No.

 > 3. What would be the best way to do this with Bascom?
 >
 > There is a veiled note about having to make something tri-state when
 > changing from an output to an input in the specs but I cant understand it.

You program a "one" on the Port pin to drive the pullup, but leave the Pin
programmed as an input.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Ted Smith wrote:

> Hi
> 1. Yes, my suspicions are confirmed that gentlemen from the South of
> US of A have a limited sense of humour and the slightest hint of
> criticism sends makes their hair rise like a grizzly bear.

Not so in the Nawth!  In fact, many of us have a sense of humor 
approaching Aussie humor.  :-)

> 2. We in Australia are intensely proud that some of our ancestors gave
> their lives to make sure people could vote and it is certainly not the
> threat of a fine that pulls us to the voting booths. Our voting system
> , as a result of these controls, is virtually impossible to rig.

Same here.  Remember that little tea party we had in Boston once and what 
that started?

Too bad the same spirit doesn't exist over here now (for the most part).

Now back to AVR discussions ...

Zack

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Ted Smith wrote:

> After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
> for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
> on the subject.
> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
> things straight.
> I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
> Ted
> 

I have many Aussie friends, both here in the USA and overseas via the 
radio and Internet.  Most don't seem to mind the terms "down under", 
"Oz", etc. at all.  

Those who live in the USA now often wonder why they can't find Vegemite 
in the grocery stores.  Especially with a Kraft plant right here in the 
town where I live. All I say is that it's not a perfect world.

Zack

You do realize your "tourist board" (probably not the correct name) 
promotes Australia on television over here using
that exact phrase? - yes, with that song about vegemite in the 
background.... :)
 
Ted Smith wrote:

>After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
>for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
>on the subject.
>It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
>references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
>things straight.
>I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
>Ted
>
>  
>

Zack Widup wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Ted Smith wrote:
> 
>> After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
>> for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
>> on the subject.
>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
>> things straight.
>> I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
>> Ted
>>
> 
> I have many Aussie friends, both here in the USA and overseas via the 
> radio and Internet.  Most don't seem to mind the terms "down under", 
> "Oz", etc. at all.  
> 
> Those who live in the USA now often wonder why they can't find Vegemite 
> in the grocery stores.  Especially with a Kraft plant right here in the 
> town where I live. All I say is that it's not a perfect world.
> 
> Zack

Here in Texas we have a grocery chain called "Fiesta".  There, you can 
get all sorts of international foodstuffs, including Vegemite.  (You 
can also get Marmite if you are British).  If you did not grow up with 
the stuff, I do not recommend it.   I've tried it and it is NASTY.


-- 
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you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the
truth."

erikc wrote:

> Zack Widup wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Ted Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
>>>for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
>>>on the subject.
>>>It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
>>>references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
>>>things straight.
>>>I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
>>>Ted
>>>
>>
>>I have many Aussie friends, both here in the USA and overseas via the 
>>radio and Internet.  Most don't seem to mind the terms "down under", 
>>"Oz", etc. at all.  
>>
>>Those who live in the USA now often wonder why they can't find Vegemite 
>>in the grocery stores.  Especially with a Kraft plant right here in the 
>>town where I live. All I say is that it's not a perfect world.
>>
>>Zack
> 
> 
> Here in Texas we have a grocery chain called "Fiesta".  There, you can 
> get all sorts of international foodstuffs, including Vegemite.  (You 
> can also get Marmite if you are British).  If you did not grow up with 
> the stuff, I do not recommend it.   I've tried it and it is NASTY.


Marmite? Sounds a bit like Road-Kill pate...

Bruce

> 
> Now back to AVR discussions ...
> 
> Zack

Indeed.. Since we have both US and Australian moderators, I think we 
can rest easy that no actual disrespect is allowed.

Bruce Parham wrote:
> erikc wrote:
> 
>> Zack Widup wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Ted Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
>>>> for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
>>>> on the subject.
>>>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
>>>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
>>>> things straight.
>>>> I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>> I have many Aussie friends, both here in the USA and overseas via the 
>>> radio and Internet.  Most don't seem to mind the terms "down under", 
>>> "Oz", etc. at all.  
>>>
>>> Those who live in the USA now often wonder why they can't find Vegemite 
>>> in the grocery stores.  Especially with a Kraft plant right here in the 
>>> town where I live. All I say is that it's not a perfect world.
>>>
>>> Zack
>>
>> Here in Texas we have a grocery chain called "Fiesta".  There, you can 
>> get all sorts of international foodstuffs, including Vegemite.  (You 
>> can also get Marmite if you are British).  If you did not grow up with 
>> the stuff, I do not recommend it.   I've tried it and it is NASTY.
> 
> 
> Marmite? Sounds a bit like Road-Kill pate...

Think of highly salted axle grease.

> Bruce

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truth."

Thanks for this tip

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Russell Shaw <rjshaw@...> wrote:
> 
> You program a "one" on the Port pin to drive the pullup, but leave
the Pin
> programmed as an input.
>

Thanks, can you suggest a FET part type number?
I presume it would have to be a n channel type?
--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Shawn Wilton <black9@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > 1. Can anyone see any problem with this?
> >
> > You'll need to use darlingtons for more gain, or waste power with
smaller

> > pullup resistors.
> 
> 
> I would use a FET.
>

I carried a jar of Vegemite with me when I holidayed overseas last year.
On passing thru customs on returning, I presented at the "something to
declare" counter and declared I had a "foodstuff"
(There are stiff fines for bringing most foods into Aust)
I told them I had half a jar of vegemite that I taken with me that
originated in Australia. They laughed and let me thru without
inspecting any of my other goodies such as the kg of cocaine that I
might have had in my luggage!
Ted

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Zack Widup <w9sz@...> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Ted Smith wrote:
> 
> > After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
> > for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
> > on the subject.
> > It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
> > references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
> > things straight.
> > I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
> > Ted
> > 
> 
> I have many Aussie friends, both here in the USA and overseas via the 
> radio and Internet.  Most don't seem to mind the terms "down under", 
> "Oz", etc. at all.  
> 
> Those who live in the USA now often wonder why they can't find Vegemite 
> in the grocery stores.  Especially with a Kraft plant right here in the 
> town where I live. All I say is that it's not a perfect world.
> 
> Zack
>

Thanks for the info.
Our tourist board, being a government run organisation, wouldn't have
the gumption to do otherwise.
They don't even have enough pride to have their web site with an
Australian web address as they host their site from Washington.
(Australia.com and not Australia.com.au)
It wouldnt surprise me if they thought that that having to enter the
extra .au would be too difficult for the average American.
Studies have shown that, in USA, the same site name with a .com gets
100 times the hits of a .com.anythingelse, even when the name is that
of a foriegn country!
Ted

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Dave Lag <daveismissing@...> wrote:

>
> You do realize your "tourist board" (probably not the correct name) 
> promotes Australia on television over here using
> that exact phrase? - yes, with that song about vegemite in the 
> background.... :)
>  
> Ted Smith wrote:
> 
> >After reading the various replys to my original comment I apologise
> >for upsetting anyone and it was not my intention to start a diatribe
> >on the subject.
> >It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down (Eg.
> >references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire to set
> >things straight.
> >I shall stick to purely technical matters in future.
> >Ted
> >
> >  
> >
>

Uh-oh,  "Down Under" is a put down?  I never realized that at all.  I 
always thought it referred to as being on the southern half of the 
planet we all live on.

If it is a put down, could someone clarify this and explain what it 
actually means?  I communicate with many folks all over the planet and 
I certainly don't want to use certain phrases that I believed to be 
harmless when in fact they are nasty.

Chris



> > > It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down 
(Eg.
> > > references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire 
to set
> > > things straight.

A generic term which causes no offence at all. Poster was attempting satirical 
humour...

lcdpublishing wrote:

> Uh-oh,  "Down Under" is a put down?  I never realized that at all.  I 
> always thought it referred to as being on the southern half of the 
> planet we all live on.
> 
> If it is a put down, could someone clarify this and explain what it 
> actually means?  I communicate with many folks all over the planet and 
> I certainly don't want to use certain phrases that I believed to be 
> harmless when in fact they are nasty.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
>>>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down 
> (Eg.
>>>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire 
> to set
>>>> things straight.
> 
>

I'm a blond haired blue eyed Auzzy and I don't find "Down Under" at 
all afencive at all. It's a common saying.
If your and Aussy and you find it affencive. LEAVE.
And you might want to abuse the group "Men at Work" for writting the 
song too on the way out. 
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/men-at-work/91747.html
It's as Aussy as "Giday Mate"
Re Aussy Slang Dictionary.
"noun:- Australia, THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! Can also be used to 
indicate the southern hemisphere."

http://www.aussieslang.com/slang/australian-slang-d.asp?page=4

Now back to AVR's

Rod


--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Don Ingram <don@...> wrote:
>
> A generic term which causes no offence at all. Poster was 
attempting satirical 
> humour...
> 
> lcdpublishing wrote:
> > Uh-oh,  "Down Under" is a put down?  I never realized that at 
all.  I 
> > always thought it referred to as being on the southern half of 
the 
> > planet we all live on.
> > 
> > If it is a put down, could someone clarify this and explain what 
it 
> > actually means?  I communicate with many folks all over the 
planet and 
> > I certainly don't want to use certain phrases that I believed to 
be 
> > harmless when in fact they are nasty.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down 
> > (Eg.
> >>>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the 
desire 

> > to set
> >>>> things straight.
> > 
> >
>

Too right Rod. Those galahs who feel put down by "Down-Under" are madder 
than a box of frogs.

Fair suck of the sauce bottle when people get so offended by mere words. 
So what if every Sepo says "Down Under" when here on holiday?  We still 
love the bastards :) (thanks for helping with the Battle of Coral Sea btw)

I could continue with more "normal" aussie talk but I'm flat out like a 
lizard drinking at the moment and don't have the time to spare.

:)

Nigel (Dingo_aus)

P.S. for the international community: No sane Australian would think of 
down-under as an insult but then again, no one in Australia uses the 
term either :) if we did it would be as "Up-Over" I suppose :)




rod_parsons wrote:

> I'm a blond haired blue eyed Auzzy and I don't find "Down Under" at
> all afencive at all. It's a common saying.
> If your and Aussy and you find it affencive. LEAVE.
> And you might want to abuse the group "Men at Work" for writting the
> song too on the way out.
> http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/men-at-work/91747.html
> It's as Aussy as "Giday Mate"
> Re Aussy Slang Dictionary.
> "noun:- Australia, THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! Can also be used to
> indicate the southern hemisphere."
>
> http://www.aussieslang.com/slang/australian-slang-d.asp?page=4
>
> Now back to AVR's
>
> Rod
>
>
> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Don Ingram <don@...> wrote:
> >
> > A generic term which causes no offence at all. Poster was
> attempting satirical
> > humour...
> >
> > lcdpublishing wrote:
> > > Uh-oh,  "Down Under" is a put down?  I never realized that at
> all.  I
> > > always thought it referred to as being on the southern half of
> the
> > > planet we all live on.
> > >
> > > If it is a put down, could someone clarify this and explain what
> it
> > > actually means?  I communicate with many folks all over the
> planet and
> > > I certainly don't want to use certain phrases that I believed to
> be
> > > harmless when in fact they are nasty.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down
> > > (Eg.
> > >>>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the
> desire
> > > to set
> > >>>> things straight.
> > >
> > >
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N S wrote:
> Too right Rod. Those galahs who feel put down by "Down-Under" are madder 
> than a box of frogs.
> 
> Fair suck of the sauce bottle when people get so offended by mere words. 
> So what if every Sepo says "Down Under" when here on holiday?  We still 
> love the bastards :) (thanks for helping with the Battle of Coral Sea btw)
> 
> I could continue with more "normal" aussie talk but I'm flat out like a 
> lizard drinking at the moment and don't have the time to spare.
> 
> :)
> 
> Nigel (Dingo_aus)
> 
> P.S. for the international community: No sane Australian would think of 
> down-under as an insult but then again, no one in Australia uses the 
> term either :) if we did it would be as "Up-Over" I suppose :)

Actually, I would call it "Top Side".  :D


erikc
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you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the
truth."

Uhmm.. i wouldn't consider myself as an Aussie, although the first
national anthem that i memorize as a kid was advance australia fair.
However, whenever i hear the word "down-under", i feel proud of being
here, in the real thing, THE 'down-under' :)

And about vegemite, i wonder where it got its name from. Vegetables
and termites perhaps? Or is it vegetables and dynamites? Just joking.
I like it anyway, no matter how uggly it looks when you spread it on
your bread... :p (like grease, some people say :D)

-irf-

(Sorry for being so OOT...)

On 3/1/06, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
> N S wrote:
> > Too right Rod. Those galahs who feel put down by "Down-Under" are madder
> > than a box of frogs.
> >
> > Fair suck of the sauce bottle when people get so offended by mere words.
> > So what if every Sepo says "Down Under" when here on holiday?  We still
> > love the bastards :) (thanks for helping with the Battle of Coral Sea btw)
> >
> > I could continue with more "normal" aussie talk but I'm flat out like a
> > lizard drinking at the moment and don't have the time to spare.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Nigel (Dingo_aus)
> >
> > P.S. for the international community: No sane Australian would think of
> > down-under as an insult but then again, no one in Australia uses the
> > term either :) if we did it would be as "Up-Over" I suppose :)
>
> Actually, I would call it "Top Side".  :D
>
>
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Kathy Quinlan" <kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Aussie Vegemite. How I fooled customs.


> Astria Nur Irfansyah wrote:
>
>> Uhmm.. i wouldn't consider myself as an Aussie, although the first
>> national anthem that i memorize as a kid was advance australia fair.
>> However, whenever i hear the word "down-under", i feel proud of being
>> here, in the real thing, THE 'down-under' :)
>>
>> And about vegemite, i wonder where it got its name from. Vegetables
>> and termites perhaps? Or is it vegetables and dynamites? Just joking.
>> I like it anyway, no matter how uggly it looks when you spread it on
>> your bread... :p (like grease, some people say :D)
>>
>> -irf-
>
> Maybe I am not Aussie then lol, I can not stand vegimite, marmite, 
> promite, I
> do not mind the base product (ie BEER (esp with a dash of lime juice)) but 
> the
> yeast residue from the top, is VERY IKKIES

I like Marmite. The recent UK adverts for it were quite funny, showing that 
some people hated it. There was one advert that showed people being 
swallowed up by a large brown blob (as in the film The Blob) that was pulled 
because it scared young children. 8-)

Leon 

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Astria Nur Irfansyah wrote:

> Uhmm.. i wouldn't consider myself as an Aussie, although the first
> national anthem that i memorize as a kid was advance australia fair.
> However, whenever i hear the word "down-under", i feel proud of being
> here, in the real thing, THE 'down-under' :)
> 
> And about vegemite, i wonder where it got its name from. Vegetables
> and termites perhaps? Or is it vegetables and dynamites? Just joking.
> I like it anyway, no matter how uggly it looks when you spread it on
> your bread... :p (like grease, some people say :D)
> 
> -irf-

Maybe I am not Aussie then lol, I can not stand vegimite, marmite, promite, I 
do not mind the base product (ie BEER (esp with a dash of lime juice)) but the 
yeast residue from the top, is VERY IKKIES

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Hi Don,
I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.

Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")

Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
utterer of the words.

It unfortunately infers a level of superiority when said by a
northerner. There is also a similar problem with racial and religious
terminology.

In these days of political correctness, it would be better if it were
not used. Use "Over There" instead as we would when refering to USA.

After all, when I am happy, being a hetrosexual, I can not safely
refer to myself as "gay" any more. 

If the world maps had by chance originally been drawn with South at
the top I would be surprised if the incumbents of the North would
still call themselves "Down Under".
Ted

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Don Ingram <don@...> wrote:
>
> A generic term which causes no offence at all. Poster was attempting
satirical 
> humour...
> 
> lcdpublishing wrote:
> > Uh-oh,  "Down Under" is a put down?  I never realized that at all.  I 
> > always thought it referred to as being on the southern half of the 
> > planet we all live on.
> > 
> > If it is a put down, could someone clarify this and explain what it 
> > actually means?  I communicate with many folks all over the planet
and 

> > I certainly don't want to use certain phrases that I believed to be 
> > harmless when in fact they are nasty.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down 
> > (Eg.
> >>>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire 
> > to set
> >>>> things straight.
> > 
> >
>

Ted Smith wrote:
> Hi Don,
> I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
> use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
> 
> Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
> just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
> reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
> 
> Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
> that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
> utterer of the words.

I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.

The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the world".
Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah right,
the best money can buy".

> It unfortunately infers a level of superiority when said by a
> northerner. There is also a similar problem with racial and religious
> terminology.
> 
> In these days of political correctness, it would be better if it were
> not used. Use "Over There" instead as we would when refering to USA.
> 
> After all, when I am happy, being a hetrosexual, I can not safely
> refer to myself as "gay" any more. 
> 
> If the world maps had by chance originally been drawn with South at
> the top I would be surprised if the incumbents of the North would
> still call themselves "Down Under".

Russell Shaw wrote:

> Ted Smith wrote:
> 
>>Hi Don,
>>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
>>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
>>
>>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
>>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
>>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
>>
>>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
>>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
>>utterer of the words.
> 
> 
> I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
> when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
> 
> The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
> something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the world".
> Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah right,
> the best money can buy".

We have a better health system :)


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Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> Russell Shaw wrote:
> 
>>Ted Smith wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Don,
>>>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
>>>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
>>>
>>>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
>>>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
>>>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
>>>
>>>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
>>>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
>>>utterer of the words.
>>
>>I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
>>when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
>>
>>The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
>>something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the world".
>>Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah right,
>>the best money can buy".
> 
> We have a better health system :)

What *Really, REALLY* gets up aussies noses is yank drug companies trying
to undermine the pharmaceutical benefits scheme which is even acknowledged
by US academics as the best drug administration system *anywhere*.

It prevents consumer confusion from old drugs being flogged as something
new and at a higher price, when equivalent generic drugs already exist
with the same effectiveness.

Russell Shaw wrote:

> Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> 
>>Russell Shaw wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ted Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Don,
>>>>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
>>>>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
>>>>
>>>>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
>>>>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
>>>>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
>>>>
>>>>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
>>>>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
>>>>utterer of the words.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
>>>when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
>>>
>>>The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
>>>something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the world".
>>>Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah right,
>>>the best money can buy".
>>
>>We have a better health system :)
> 
> 
> What *Really, REALLY* gets up aussies noses is yank drug companies trying
> to undermine the pharmaceutical benefits scheme which is even acknowledged
> by US academics as the best drug administration system *anywhere*.
> 
> It prevents consumer confusion from old drugs being flogged as something
> new and at a higher price, when equivalent generic drugs already exist
> with the same effectiveness.

Very true, we have the catapillar to thank for that :(


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Mathew Tubb wrote:
> Yank - slang for "Septic Tank"

I haven't heard of that. Google: "define:yank"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=define%3Ayank&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

> Hi Don,
 > I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
 > use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.

Only the winging ones that haven't had enough of the pom
bred out of them yet ;-)

( and yes that was indeed an attempt at satirical humour... )

Ted Smith wrote:

> 
> Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
> just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
> reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
> 

Fishin' in the green zone again eh?

> Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
> that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
> utterer of the words.
> 
> It unfortunately infers a level of superiority when said by a
> northerner. There is also a similar problem with racial and religious
> terminology.
> 
> In these days of political correctness, it would be better if it were
> not used. Use "Over There" instead as we would when refering to USA.
> 
> After all, when I am happy, being a hetrosexual, I can not safely
> refer to myself as "gay" any more. 
> 
> If the world maps had by chance originally been drawn with South at
> the top I would be surprised if the incumbents of the North would
> still call themselves "Down Under".
> Ted
> 
> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Don Ingram <don@...> wrote:
>> A generic term which causes no offence at all. Poster was attempting
> satirical 
>> humour...
>>
>> lcdpublishing wrote:
>>> Uh-oh,  "Down Under" is a put down?  I never realized that at all.  I 
>>> always thought it referred to as being on the southern half of the 
>>> planet we all live on.
>>>
>>> If it is a put down, could someone clarify this and explain what it 
>>> actually means?  I communicate with many folks all over the planet
> and 
>>> I certainly don't want to use certain phrases that I believed to be 
>>> harmless when in fact they are nasty.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> It's just that we in Australia are sensitive to being put down 
>>> (Eg.
>>>>>> references to being "down under") and naturally have the desire 
>>> to set
>>>>>> things straight.
>>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 


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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Russell Shaw wrote:

> 
> The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
> something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the
> world".
> Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah
> right,
> the best money can buy".
> 

Yeah, I can see that.  In fact, I think most people I know aren't too 
happy with the gummint now.

However, we do have the best Chicago in the world!  :)

(Hopefully some of you understand my weird sense of humor.)

Zack

> ... a better health system...

Earthlings!

We've listened to this channel for much time, learning greatly.  But 
some breaking winds are really blowing now, making difficulty.  Some 
expelled wisdoms are contaminating the aether.

Bang bits, please; we need information on how the computers run this 
place before we arrive in large numbers.


Noorngaarth
Greetings from Meridiani!

Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> Russell Shaw wrote:
> 
> 
>>Ted Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Don,
>>>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
>>>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
>>>
>>>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
>>>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
>>>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
>>>
>>>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
>>>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
>>>utterer of the words.
>>
>>
>>I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
>>when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
>>
>>The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
>>something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the world".
>>Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah right,
>>the best money can buy".
> 
> 
> We have a better health system :)

<Whatever!> The best the wealthy can afford after the drug companies and 
insurance companies get their squeeze!  I am an American who thinks that 
socialized medicine might not be a bad idea.  We could probably get 
cheaper services and the doctors would get paid _better_ if we could 
leave the insurance companies out of the picture.  A bunch of <expletive 
deleted> desk warmers that provide no value, that is what insurance 
companies can provide.

huh!,
DLC

> 

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dlc wrote:
> 
> Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> 
>>Russell Shaw wrote:
>>
>>>Ted Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Don,
>>>>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
>>>>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
>>>>
>>>>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
>>>>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
>>>>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
>>>>
>>>>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
>>>>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
>>>>utterer of the words.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
>>>when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
>>>
>>>The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
>>>something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the world".
>>>Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah right,
>>>the best money can buy".
>>
>>We have a better health system :)
> 
> <Whatever!> The best the wealthy can afford after the drug companies and 
> insurance companies get their squeeze!  I am an American who thinks that 
> socialized medicine might not be a bad idea.  We could probably get 
> cheaper services and the doctors would get paid _better_ if we could 
> leave the insurance companies out of the picture.  A bunch of <expletive 
> deleted> desk warmers that provide no value, that is what insurance 
> companies can provide.

That's a more fundamental idea i agree with. Insurance companies simply
insulate between the consumer and those charging, so that those that charge
can charge a whole lot more. If the averaged true cost for a service is $5/month,
the insurance marketers will see anyone can pay $20/month, so they do.
IMHO, there should be no private law firms (law dispensed by guvmint service only),
or the fees and payouts should be capped, because that's where a lot of insurance
money goes. A US guvmint run by lawyers doesn't help;)
IMHO, the guvmint here down-under is nearly as bad as the US currently.
Getting back to AVRs, product liability insurance is very expen$ive because
of the reasons above.

Yank - slang for "Septic Tank"

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Russell Shaw wrote:

> Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> 
>>Russell Shaw wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ted Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Don,
>>>>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the
continual
>>>>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
>>>>
>>>>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
>>>>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
>>>>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
>>>>
>>>>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured
for
>>>>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
>>>>utterer of the words.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under",
and
>>>when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
>>>
>>>The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan
says
>>>something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the
world".
>>>Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah
right,
>>>the best money can buy".
>>
>>We have a better health system :)
> 
> 
> What *Really, REALLY* gets up aussies noses is yank drug companies
trying
> to undermine the pharmaceutical benefits scheme which is even
acknowledged
> by US academics as the best drug administration system *anywhere*.
> 
> It prevents consumer confusion from old drugs being flogged as
something
> new and at a higher price, when equivalent generic drugs already exist
> with the same effectiveness.

Very true, we have the catapillar to thank for that :(


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Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> Russell Shaw wrote:
>
> > Ted Smith wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Don,
> >>I am sorry to tell you but many Australians do react to the continual
> >>use of "Down Under" by inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere.
> >>
> >>Funnily enough, if an Aussie says it, there is no offence felt but
> >>just watch the faces of Aussies when a "Yank" says it. (Common
> >>reaction is "not another self opiniated Yank")
> >>
> >>Whereas the Aussie is not really offended (we are too good natured for
> >>that), it in effect downgrades the respect an Aussie has for the
> >>utterer of the words.
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't agree. You rarely hear a foreigner say "from down-under", and
> > when you do, makes you think they have some clue of the local slang.
> >
> > The "not another self opiniated Yank" really applies when a USAan says
> > something all too common like "we've got the best such-n-such in the 
> world".
> > Utterances like "best democracy anywhere" evoke responces like "yeah 
> right,
> > the best money can buy".
>
> We have a better health system :)
>
>
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>
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Not in Queensland :)

Paging Dr Patel, .......Dr Patel, paging Dr. 
Patel.............................

N S wrote:
> Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> 
>>Russell Shaw wrote:
>>
...

>>We have a better health system :)
>>
> 
> Not in Queensland :)
> 
> Paging Dr Patel, .......Dr Patel, paging Dr. 
> Patel.............................

Didn't he escape to the USA ;)

Russell Shaw wrote:

> N S wrote:
> 
>>Kathy Quinlan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Russell Shaw wrote:
>>>
> 
> ...
> 
> 
>>>We have a better health system :)
>>>
>>
>>Not in Queensland :)
>>
>>Paging Dr Patel, .......Dr Patel, paging Dr. 
>>Patel.............................
> 
> 
> Didn't he escape to the USA ;)

Yeah but I doubt the locals are letting him operate lol

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Russell Shaw wrote:

> >
> > Paging Dr Patel, .......Dr Patel, paging Dr.
> > Patel.............................
> 
> Didn't he escape to the USA ;)
> 

Yes, and he must've cloned himself!

Seriously, I work with a fellow from India.  He told me that the Patels 
came to the USA and formed a community here.  Most of them either own 
motels or become doctors.  He said that actually the first generation and 
some of their children run the motels; most of the doctors come from the 
second generation. 

I know that most of the Patels he's encountered while working in the field 
(staying at hotels) invite him to dinner, etc.

My mom had a bypass operation a couple years ago done by a Dr. Patel.

Very interesting!

Zack