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Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by sweeneymini

Hi!

I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.

The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.

Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.

Thanks,

Ben :)

Re: [CZsynth] Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by Gordon JC Pearc e

On 09/03/12 02:26, sweeneymini wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
>
> The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
>
> Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
>

Just start unscrewing things, and keeping a diagram of where all the 
bits go.  There's nothing especially tiny and fragile in there.  If the 
tact switches are damaged or worn you may as well replace the whole lot. 
  They're not expensive, certainly compared to the effort involved in 
getting at them!

-- 
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by k9k9dog

classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a 
ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones 
of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll 
also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi!
> 
> I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> 
> The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> 
> Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ben :)
>

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by bill bigrig

If yuo are going to open it up, you might as well do the automatic-off power switch modification. Then, when you get a cartridge, you'll be able to access all 16 patches in the cartridge. On a side note, I've noticed that the batteries in my cartridges don't last a heck of a long time. Make sure to back them up elsewhere.
rig

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by 350ypvs@googlemail.com

Can you explain what the automatic-off power switch modification is and why
it affects the RAM cartridge (RA3 I assume)? I have an RA3 cartridge that
refuses to work with my 101 (and a friend's 1000), yet it works fine with
my CZ3000 and CZ-1. I've tried replacing the battery but it still refuses
to work with the baby CZ's :(

On 9 March 2012 19:30, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> If yuo are going to open it up, you might as well do the automatic-off
> power switch modification. Then, when you get a cartridge, you'll be able
> to access all 16 patches in the cartridge. On a side note, I've noticed
> that the batteries in my cartridges don't last a heck of a long time. Make
> sure to back them up elsewhere.
> rig
>
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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by k9k9dog

none of that is normal. my cz101 worked fine with the 
ra3 and i could access all patches, no automatic power
off. friend had same, no problem either.
maybe you have a contact problem in your machine, some 
dirt/oxidization etc.?

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...> wrote:
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> Can you explain what the automatic-off power switch modification is and why
> it affects the RAM cartridge (RA3 I assume)? I have an RA3 cartridge that
> refuses to work with my 101 (and a friend's 1000), yet it works fine with
> my CZ3000 and CZ-1. I've tried replacing the battery but it still refuses
> to work with the baby CZ's :(
> 
> On 9 March 2012 19:30, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > If yuo are going to open it up, you might as well do the automatic-off
> > power switch modification. Then, when you get a cartridge, you'll be able
> > to access all 16 patches in the cartridge. On a side note, I've noticed
> > that the batteries in my cartridges don't last a heck of a long time. Make
> > sure to back them up elsewhere.
> > rig
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-09 by bill bigrig

It is covered in an old Electronic Music magazine. I'll have to dig it out. Basically, you decide whether you want auto-power-off, or not. Then you hrd wire that. The switch is then connected to 2 places on the circuit board, a couple traces are cut, and the switch will now select bank 1& 2, or 3 & 4. As for why it doesn't work in the 101, I'd check the solder connections at the board the card plugs into. There also may be different programming styles between the larger synths. Have you tried programming into the card with the 101, and seeing if you can access it once programmed from that specific synth? 
i  need to try this with my 101s and my CZ-1. There may be a difference what with velocity etc.
Rig


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From: "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...>
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Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

Can you explain what the automatic-off power switch modification is and why
it affects the RAM cartridge (RA3 I assume)? I have an RA3 cartridge that
refuses to work with my 101 (and a friend's 1000), yet it works fine with
my CZ3000 and CZ-1. I've tried replacing the battery but it still refuses
to work with the baby CZ's :(

On 9 March 2012 19:30, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> If yuo are going to open it up, you might as well do the automatic-off
> power switch modification. Then, when you get a cartridge, you'll be able
> to access all 16 patches in the cartridge. On a side note, I've noticed
> that the batteries in my cartridges don't last a heck of a long time. Make
> sure to back them up elsewhere.
> rig
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>


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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by sweeneymini

I've just brought a memory cartridge about 5 mins ago B-) I didn't fancy using the batteries as backup - pricey and had some leak all in my MC-202 before. Luckily, no harm was done to it :)

You might have guessed with the MC-202(s) and CZ-101 - I love small plastic synths!

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
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>
> classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a 
> ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones 
> of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll 
> also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
> man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> > 
> > The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> > 
> > Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Ben :)
> >
>

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by sweeneymini

If you could dig that out that'd be awesome B-) Can you not normally not access all 16 patches of a cart then?

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:
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>
> It is covered in an old Electronic Music magazine. I'll have to dig it out. Basically, you decide whether you want auto-power-off, or not. Then you hrd wire that. The switch is then connected to 2 places on the circuit board, a couple traces are cut, and the switch will now select bank 1& 2, or 3 & 4. As for why it doesn't work in the 101, I'd check the solder connections at the board the card plugs into. There also may be different programming styles between the larger synths. Have you tried programming into the card with the 101, and seeing if you can access it once programmed from that specific synth? 
> i  need to try this with my 101s and my CZ-1. There may be a difference what with velocity etc.
> Rig
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?
> 
> Can you explain what the automatic-off power switch modification is and why
> it affects the RAM cartridge (RA3 I assume)? I have an RA3 cartridge that
> refuses to work with my 101 (and a friend's 1000), yet it works fine with
> my CZ3000 and CZ-1. I've tried replacing the battery but it still refuses
> to work with the baby CZ's :(
> 
> On 9 March 2012 19:30, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > If yuo are going to open it up, you might as well do the automatic-off
> > power switch modification. Then, when you get a cartridge, you'll be able
> > to access all 16 patches in the cartridge. On a side note, I've noticed
> > that the batteries in my cartridges don't last a heck of a long time. Make
> > sure to back them up elsewhere.
> > rig
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by sweeneymini

Thanks Gordon :)

I took the back off the 101 today and can confirm the problem is 90% likely a fizzy drink spill. I got the gunk off the case and the cartridge flap, which now no longer sticks.

I took out the screws to the main & slave boards and mod wheel but had to abandon it because the sun was going down and I wussed out abit :0} I'll have another go, probably over the weekend.

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearc e <gordon@...> wrote:
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>
> On 09/03/12 02:26, sweeneymini wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> >
> > The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> >
> > Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> >
> 
> Just start unscrewing things, and keeping a diagram of where all the 
> bits go.  There's nothing especially tiny and fragile in there.  If the 
> tact switches are damaged or worn you may as well replace the whole lot. 
>   They're not expensive, certainly compared to the effort involved in 
> getting at them!
> 
> -- 
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by sweeneymini

Oh, forgot to say, that back lit screen mod does looks pretty tempting B-)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
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>
> classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a 
> ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones 
> of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll 
> also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
> man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> > 
> > The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> > 
> > Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Ben :)
> >
>

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by Lee Borrell

I can only confirm - 101 is working with RA3.

--- On Fri, 9/3/12, k9k9dog <domgoold@...> wrote:
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From: k9k9dog <domgoold@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 9 March, 2012, 22:25
















 



  


    
      
      
      none of that is normal. my cz101 worked fine with the 

ra3 and i could access all patches, no automatic power

off. friend had same, no problem either.

maybe you have a contact problem in your machine, some 

dirt/oxidization etc.?



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...> wrote:

>

> Can you explain what the automatic-off power switch modification is and why

> it affects the RAM cartridge (RA3 I assume)? I have an RA3 cartridge that

> refuses to work with my 101 (and a friend's 1000), yet it works fine with

> my CZ3000 and CZ-1. I've tried replacing the battery but it still refuses

> to work with the baby CZ's :(

> 

> On 9 March 2012 19:30, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:

> 

> > **

> >

> >

> > If yuo are going to open it up, you might as well do the automatic-off

> > power switch modification. Then, when you get a cartridge, you'll be able

> > to access all 16 patches in the cartridge. On a side note, I've noticed

> > that the batteries in my cartridges don't last a heck of a long time. Make

> > sure to back them up elsewhere.

> > rig

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

> >  

> >

> 

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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by k9k9dog

HA! congratulations! it really makes it what it should be.
i wonder why i sold mine...bad period. but i recently picked up 
a vz8 for 60quid(to replace one i sold also, same reason), and 
have the ra500 for that. having random'ed both to ####, i went 
for vz, but still love that little 101. truly a classic.
see if you can find czartist for pc/mac. does it respond to 
sysex?

latest idle thought is: can these memory devices be cloned?
they go for silly prices. or can the card input be used for 
memory from other devices? 

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@...> wrote:
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>
> I've just brought a memory cartridge about 5 mins ago B-) I didn't fancy using the batteries as backup - pricey and had some leak all in my MC-202 before. Luckily, no harm was done to it :)
> 
> You might have guessed with the MC-202(s) and CZ-101 - I love small plastic synths!
> 
> Ben :)
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote:
> >
> > classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a 
> > ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones 
> > of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll 
> > also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
> > man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> > > 
> > > The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Ben :)
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by Jason Adkins

Have to say I never knew the MC202 had an internal battery?
Gotta replace the one in my DR660 now,luckily just a coin lithium job.

But talking of internal batteries in gear,whatever possessed some of  
the manufactorers to solder them to the motherboard?

J
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On 10 Mar 2012, at 00:52, sweeneymini wrote:

> I've just brought a memory cartridge about 5 mins ago B-) I didn't  
> fancy using the batteries as backup - pricey and had some leak all  
> in my MC-202 before. Luckily, no harm was done to it :)
>
> You might have guessed with the MC-202(s) and CZ-101 - I love small  
> plastic synths!
>
> Ben :)
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
>>
>> classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a
>> ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones
>> of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll
>> also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
>> man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
>>
>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@>  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I  
>>> was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some  
>>> songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
>>>
>>> The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff;  
>>> they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the  
>>> board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the  
>>> case up and seeing whats going on.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons  
>>> underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I  
>>> also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben :)
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-10 by charlie 'chop' copp

i still want to trade full sysex dumps for the dr660 jayson
charlie

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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:10 AM
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before?
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> Have to say I never knew the MC202 had an internal battery?
> Gotta replace the one in my DR660 now,luckily just a coin lithium job.
>
> But talking of internal batteries in gear,whatever possessed some of
> the manufactorers to solder them to the motherboard?
>
> J
>
> On 10 Mar 2012, at 00:52, sweeneymini wrote:
>
> > I've just brought a memory cartridge about 5 mins ago B-) I didn't
> > fancy using the batteries as backup - pricey and had some leak all
> > in my MC-202 before. Luckily, no harm was done to it :)
> >
> > You might have guessed with the MC-202(s) and CZ-101 - I love small
> > plastic synths!
> >
> > Ben :)
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a
> >> ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones
> >> of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll
> >> also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
> >> man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
> >>
> >> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I
> >>> was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some
> >>> songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> >>>
> >>> The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff;
> >>> they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the
> >>> board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the
> >>> case up and seeing whats going on.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons
> >>> underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I
> >>> also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Ben :)
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-11 by sweeneymini

The MC202s don't have an internal battery (that would be nice ;)); like the CZ101 they rely on the C cells. Those were the ones that leaked.

Both machines also have a push on/off switch that is easily cat paw accessible :/

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
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>
> Have to say I never knew the MC202 had an internal battery?
> Gotta replace the one in my DR660 now,luckily just a coin lithium job.
> 
> But talking of internal batteries in gear,whatever possessed some of  
> the manufactorers to solder them to the motherboard?
> 
> J
> 
> On 10 Mar 2012, at 00:52, sweeneymini wrote:
> 
> > I've just brought a memory cartridge about 5 mins ago B-) I didn't  
> > fancy using the batteries as backup - pricey and had some leak all  
> > in my MC-202 before. Luckily, no harm was done to it :)
> >
> > You might have guessed with the MC-202(s) and CZ-101 - I love small  
> > plastic synths!
> >
> > Ben :)
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a
> >> ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones
> >> of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll
> >> also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
> >> man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
> >>
> >> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>  
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I  
> >>> was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some  
> >>> songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> >>>
> >>> The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff;  
> >>> they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the  
> >>> board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the  
> >>> case up and seeing whats going on.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons  
> >>> underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I  
> >>> also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Ben :)
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-11 by sweeneymini

I'll have a look at finding czartist :) I know the carts go for silly money.. :( Knew I'd regret not getting it if another didn't turn up though. Still, not as bad as my SU700 though. Starting to think that may become my studio white elephant...

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
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>
> HA! congratulations! it really makes it what it should be.
> i wonder why i sold mine...bad period. but i recently picked up 
> a vz8 for 60quid(to replace one i sold also, same reason), and 
> have the ra500 for that. having random'ed both to ####, i went 
> for vz, but still love that little 101. truly a classic.
> see if you can find czartist for pc/mac. does it respond to 
> sysex?
> 
> latest idle thought is: can these memory devices be cloned?
> they go for silly prices. or can the card input be used for 
> memory from other devices? 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've just brought a memory cartridge about 5 mins ago B-) I didn't fancy using the batteries as backup - pricey and had some leak all in my MC-202 before. Luckily, no harm was done to it :)
> > 
> > You might have guessed with the MC-202(s) and CZ-101 - I love small plastic synths!
> > 
> > Ben :)
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > classic plastic!! you'll love it even more if you get a 
> > > ra3 memory cartridge(good luck...does anyone make clones 
> > > of these?) which will double your patch locations. you'll 
> > > also want an atari with the czartist software to edit it.
> > > man, you have to fit a backlight... ;p
> > > 
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > > 
> > > > I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> > > > 
> > > > The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> > > > 
> > > > Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Ben :)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-11 by Ullrich Peter

Hi!
>HA! congratulations! it really makes it what it should be.
>i wonder why i sold mine...bad period. but i recently picked up
>a vz8 for 60quid(to replace one i sold also, same reason), and
>have the ra500 for that. having random'ed both to ####, i went
>for vz, but still love that little 101. truly a classic.
>see if you can find czartist for pc/mac. does it respond to
>sysex?
>
>latest idle thought is: can these memory devices be cloned?
>they go for silly prices. or can the card input be used for
>memory from other devices?

You could of course clone the RA500 catrifges.You can see a photo of an opened card and the schematics here:
http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/manuals/casio_ra-500_ram_card.zip

Ciao
Peter

PS: And some pictures of my opened CZ-101 on my datadial site (my self designed synth addon I also built into my CZ-101). http://go.to/datadial 
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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-11 by k9k9dog

dial looks very cool. this just requires parallel 
installation + 5v supply? and it 'sleeps' when not 
in use/is stable? could be great for old drum machines 
and fx units, as well as synths. the poly/ex800 would 
be good with this... etc etc

i found some pcmcia memory cards in a bootsale, 
untouched/unused, 64k, but different connectors.
battery backup+protect switch, panasonic.
where the hell would you get the connector parts, 
and would it be viable to try to swap them?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> You could of course clone the RA500 catrifges.You can see a photo of an opened card and the schematics here:
> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/manuals/casio_ra-500_ram_card.zip
> 
> Ciao
> Peter
> 
> PS: And some pictures of my opened CZ-101 on my datadial site (my self designed synth addon I also built into my CZ-101). http://go.to/datadial 
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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-11 by sweeneymini

I managed to dismantle my 101 today and clean the buttons. The ones that were sticking work great now :) The up cursor key is a little bit sticky now though :/ I missed out 2 screws in the 3rd tier boards so I think it might be that. I don't dare strip it all again though to fix that.

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "sweeneymini" <darkenforcer-forms@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi!
> 
> I've just got my CZ-101 this week and I am chuffed with it B-) I was eyeing up a DX100 when I stumbled upon information about some songs I love using a 101. Just love the sound.
> 
> The keyboard works fine but quite a few of the buttons are stiff; they feel, and sound like something may have been spilled on the board. So, I am wondering about the pros and cons of opening the case up and seeing whats going on.
> 
> Has anyone done this before? Is it easy to access the buttons underneath? I don't want to risk breaking a working board, but I also don't want to leave something in there if it is corrosive.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ben :)
>

AW: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-11 by Ullrich Peter

Hi!

Regarding my datadial at http://go.to/datadial :

Yes the data dial sits in parallel with the buttons (with analog switches) and need a +5V supply, but work also with 3.3V.  In the casio Cz101 I added diodes so that I can use a simpler installation point in the circuit so that it doesn't need a complete deinstallation of the PCBs. These diodes are decoupling diodes as used in most keyboard matrixes.
It is stable when not in use. It outputs short pulses if you turn it, otherwise it is quiet. The pulse and pause length can be set via a "safe code entry procedure". Normally you only make this once after installation and the values are stored in an onbaord eeprom in the microcontroller and will be loaded after you power the synth on. It can be used for many gadgets where you want to add a nicer input method than those crazy plus/minus buttons...

memeory cards:

I would not buy the PCMCIA cards and rewire them for the VZ synth. too much effort.
The PCMCIA cards could be used for the EMU morpheus and maybe other synths.
If you want to myke VZ cards then make a new PCB (with Eagle or similar tool, the freeware version would be enough) and order a double sided PCB from one of the PCB prototype services, but keep in mind to order quite thin PCBs, the standard 1.6mm would be too thick...

Ciao
Peter

http://www.ullrich.at.tt

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An: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

dial looks very cool. this just requires parallel
installation + 5v supply? and it 'sleeps' when not
in use/is stable? could be great for old drum machines
and fx units, as well as synths. the poly/ex800 would
be good with this... etc etc

i found some pcmcia memory cards in a bootsale,
untouched/unused, 64k, but different connectors.
battery backup+protect switch, panasonic.
where the hell would you get the connector parts,
and would it be viable to try to swap them?


> You could of course clone the RA500 catrifges.You can see a photo of an opened card and the schematics here:
> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/manuals/casio_ra-500_ram_card.zip
>
> Ciao
> Peter
>
> PS: And some pictures of my opened CZ-101 on my datadial site (my self designed synth addon I also built into my CZ-101). http://go.to/datadial
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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-12 by bill bigrig

No, the 101 will omly access 8. I'll see if I can post it somehow without having to use the 2 pictures. It's quite easy, and having all 16 cartridge sounds available is a BIG +!
Rig

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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-12 by k9k9dog

Hi Peter, it looks really useful for my ex800. 
maybe you should go over to the korgpolyex group and 
tell them about it. Mike Hawkins has an extensive 
Hawkmod for these synths, and this could be a really 
good + cheap way of getting round the new params.
would also be good on a tx81z etc. although i'm thinking 
of getting a novation controller and doing an automap 
for that(...). good to know about this, anyway, and it 
sounds like a reasonably easy install.

as for cards, i'd assumed there was some relationship 
with pcmcia. but they are all different formats? 
i already have the ra500, one will be enough for what i'll 
use the VZ for( ;) ), and then i'll do sysex dumps. haha, 
it was actually having the card still sitting around that 
made me jump for a che-eeeap! unit i saw (unmissable deal). 
other than that, big can't-be-arsed factor..
cheErz!
Dom

other things it would be good on: alesis quadraverb (and 
sr16!)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Ullrich Peter <peter.ullrich@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi!
> 
> Regarding my datadial at http://go.to/datadial :
> 
> Yes the data dial sits in parallel with the buttons (with analog switches) and need a +5V supply, but work also with 3.3V.  In the casio Cz101 I added diodes so that I can use a simpler installation point in the circuit so that it doesn't need a complete deinstallation of the PCBs. These diodes are decoupling diodes as used in most keyboard matrixes.
> It is stable when not in use. It outputs short pulses if you turn it, otherwise it is quiet. The pulse and pause length can be set via a "safe code entry procedure". Normally you only make this once after installation and the values are stored in an onbaord eeprom in the microcontroller and will be loaded after you power the synth on. It can be used for many gadgets where you want to add a nicer input method than those crazy plus/minus buttons...
> 
> memeory cards:
> 
> I would not buy the PCMCIA cards and rewire them for the VZ synth. too much effort.
> The PCMCIA cards could be used for the EMU morpheus and maybe other synths.
> If you want to myke VZ cards then make a new PCB (with Eagle or similar tool, the freeware version would be enough) and order a double sided PCB from one of the PCB prototype services, but keep in mind to order quite thin PCBs, the standard 1.6mm would be too thick...
> 
> Ciao
> Peter
> 
> http://www.ullrich.at.tt
> 
> ________________________________________
> Von: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] im Auftrag von k9k9dog [domgoold@...]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. März 2012 23:38
> An: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [CZsynth] Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?
> 
> dial looks very cool. this just requires parallel
> installation + 5v supply? and it 'sleeps' when not
> in use/is stable? could be great for old drum machines
> and fx units, as well as synths. the poly/ex800 would
> be good with this... etc etc
> 
> i found some pcmcia memory cards in a bootsale,
> untouched/unused, 64k, but different connectors.
> battery backup+protect switch, panasonic.
> where the hell would you get the connector parts,
> and would it be viable to try to swap them?
> 
> 
> > You could of course clone the RA500 catrifges.You can see a photo of an opened card and the schematics here:
> > http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/manuals/casio_ra-500_ram_card.zip
> >
> > Ciao
> > Peter
> >
> > PS: And some pictures of my opened CZ-101 on my datadial site (my self designed synth addon I also built into my CZ-101). http://go.to/datadial
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Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-14 by k9k9dog

ah ye-eah.. that's more like it. was sure i was getting 16ext+16int. 
is this a RAM bridging connection? i've read about something 
similar before, with RAM, doubling memory. 
can you post link or images?

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm sorry, I may have mis-stated. Tou can access 16 dartridge patches. The APO witch mod gives you 32.
> Rig
> 
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>

Re: Hello - Has anyone here dismantled a CZ-101 before?

2012-03-15 by sweeneymini

32, crikey! B-)

I got my cart through the post today - at last I can start experimenting without the nagging thought of losing anything good I stumble upon!

Ben :)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote:
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>
> ah ye-eah.. that's more like it. was sure i was getting 16ext+16int. 
> is this a RAM bridging connection? i've read about something 
> similar before, with RAM, doubling memory. 
> can you post link or images?
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, bill bigrig <billbigrig@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, I may have mis-stated. Tou can access 16 dartridge patches. The APO witch mod gives you 32.
> > Rig
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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