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Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-12 by steven

has anyone done the potentiometer mod on a polyevolver?   is it easy to use the  new pots to scroll to select a value ? Do the numbers and destinations move TOO FAST TO SEE? 
  the encoders take sometomes 2 and a half revolutions to scroll throgh all the options and even so, it can look like a blur to turn the knob.  Do the pots make it hard to select by moving way too fast in a limited amount of knob movement?  I realize the encoders are often 'sloppy' and dont seem to connect clearly and precisely to the rotation. (perhaps what is considered 'dirty') but are the pots actually better/easier or cause their own problems?
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Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-12 by plexus

I opted not to get the pot "upgrade" as it was too expensive. And, I also felt that I should not have to pay such an amount of money to really, in the end, fix a manufacturing issue. I don't have strong feelings about DSI not offering to replace everyone's encoders that are bad, but I am leaning towards that i should be something that would have been nice for them to offer especially in an instrument in this class.

However, DSI offered to replace all the encoders with new apparently better ones for the cost of $25 a board (there are 3 so $75) plus shipping. so for about $100 the problem will apparently be solved. they use a 3rd party to do the work and I understand my boards should be sent back to me soon. 

I don't really want the pots but having working encoders would be just great. so i am hoping this fixed the problem. we shall see...

Brett

Re: [DSI Synths] Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-13 by steven pistrich

i hadnt heard of an 'encoder replacement' option--just the $400 Pot  
replacement.  I didnt see that $75 option offerred on the  DSI website. 
 Certainly this whole matter with the encoders not holding up and the PE  
'upgrade?" seems like a thinly glossed over RECALL of inferior parts--which we 
the consumers get to pay for . (how would lets say Toyota have responded???)
anyhow, I dont have a problem with WORKING encoders, but im still wondering how 
the pots perform in real life -- is it easy to select a value with such a narrow 
range of rotation?



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To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:08:51 PM
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good 
thing?

  
I opted not to get the pot "upgrade" as it was too expensive. And, I also felt 
that I should not have to pay such an amount of money to really, in the end, fix 
a manufacturing issue. I don't have strong feelings about DSI not offering to 
replace everyone's encoders that are bad, but I am leaning towards that i should 
be something that would have been nice for them to offer especially in an 
instrument in this class.

However, DSI offered to replace all the encoders with new apparently better ones 
for the cost of $25 a board (there are 3 so $75) plus shipping. so for about 
$100 the problem will apparently be solved. they use a 3rd party to do the work 
and I understand my boards should be sent back to me soon. 


I don't really want the pots but having working encoders would be just great. so 
i am hoping this fixed the problem. we shall see...

Brett

Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-13 by balinillo

Hey there, 
I wrote this reply yesterday, but it seems to have been lost in the digital nirvana :)

I did the full potentiometer upgrade, and though it is pricey, i love it. You get all 3 new encoder boards including all control hardware and displays (except the prophet knobs who you might want to add to your order). There are still a few rotary encoders where you need them ( the 2 parameter knobs to the right of the display and about every knob that controls source/destination/frequency etc.), so you can still do precise navigation. In the sequencer section are pots, which is somewhat strange. If you need to know which knobs are pots exactly, I can give you an overview. If you only have trouble with jumping values, try the deoxit cure from here: http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/support/pek_maintenance.php  first. 
I don't need to see all values, because I can hear if a filter sounds right ;) 
Concerning the encoder replacement: do yourself a favor and write an email to support@... . They are a really nice bunch and wil be able to help you - because it's the people that built 'em :)

Hope I could help you! 
Cheers, 
Balinillo.


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, steven pistrich <wasteking1@...> wrote:
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> i hadnt heard of an 'encoder replacement' option--just the $400 Pot  
> replacement.  I didnt see that $75 option offerred on the  DSI website. 
>  Certainly this whole matter with the encoders not holding up and the PE  
> 'upgrade?" seems like a thinly glossed over RECALL of inferior parts--which we 
> the consumers get to pay for . (how would lets say Toyota have responded???)
> anyhow, I dont have a problem with WORKING encoders, but im still wondering how 
> the pots perform in real life -- is it easy to select a value with such a narrow 
> range of rotation?
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: plexus <musiclists@...>
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:08:51 PM
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good 
> thing?
> 
> Â  
> I opted not to get the pot "upgrade" as it was too expensive. And, I also felt 
> that I should not have to pay such an amount of money to really, in the end, fix 
> a manufacturing issue. I don't have strong feelings about DSI not offering to 
> replace everyone's encoders that are bad, but I am leaning towards that i should 
> be something that would have been nice for them to offer especially in an 
> instrument in this class.
> 
> However, DSI offered to replace all the encoders with new apparently better ones 
> for the cost of $25 a board (there are 3 so $75) plus shipping. so for about 
> $100 the problem will apparently be solved. they use a 3rd party to do the work 
> and I understand my boards should be sent back to me soon. 
> 
> 
> I don't really want the pots but having working encoders would be just great. so 
> i am hoping this fixed the problem. we shall see...
> 
> Brett
>

RE: [DSI Synths] Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-14 by Iain Bryden

*       However, DSI offered to replace all the encoders with new
apparently better ones

 

Interesting. Where can I get more info about this offer? All the
encoders on my MEK went wonky after not getting used for a few months. I
figured some dust got inside them (despite the cloth cover) and a bit of
DeOx would clean them.

 

-- Iain

 

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Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a
good thing?

 

  

I opted not to get the pot "upgrade" as it was too expensive. And, I
also felt that I should not have to pay such an amount of money to
really, in the end, fix a manufacturing issue. I don't have strong
feelings about DSI not offering to replace everyone's encoders that are
bad, but I am leaning towards that i should be something that would have
been nice for them to offer especially in an instrument in this class.

However, DSI offered to replace all the encoders with new apparently
better ones for the cost of $25 a board (there are 3 so $75) plus
shipping. so for about $100 the problem will apparently be solved. they
use a 3rd party to do the work and I understand my boards should be sent
back to me soon. 

I don't really want the pots but having working encoders would be just
great. so i am hoping this fixed the problem. we shall see...

Brett





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RE: [DSI Synths] Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-14 by punkdISCO

Hi - I also did the full upgrade.  Yes, it is crazy expensive however, it
does turn the PEK into a proper synth.  For me, the original endless
encoders made the PEK fell like a generic MIDI controller, like the Novation
Zero SL.  Everything you do with endless encodes requires that you watch the
LCD to give you feedback as to what you are doing.  Regular knobs provide
feedback in their own right.

Installation is easy - if you know how to use a screwdriver, you will be
able to do the swap..

Good luck..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk
Banned by YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvlOpBe0xU
"thats mental! and rather fkin ace too! cheers! dick subhumans"

RE: [DSI Synths] Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-14 by dale@inquisitorbetrayer.com

The more I use mine, the more I am considering upgrade to pots.
I am also starting to have encoder issues now too. Just a matter of time I
guess and use.

Dale
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> Hi - I also did the full upgrade.  Yes, it is crazy expensive however, it
> does turn the PEK into a proper synth.  For me, the original endless
> encoders made the PEK fell like a generic MIDI controller, like the
> Novation
> Zero SL.  Everything you do with endless encodes requires that you watch
> the
> LCD to give you feedback as to what you are doing.  Regular knobs provide
> feedback in their own right.
>
> Installation is easy - if you know how to use a screwdriver, you will be
> able to do the swap..
>
> Good luck..
>
> Paul
> London
> www.punkdisco.co.uk
> Banned by YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvlOpBe0xU
> "thats mental! and rather fkin ace too! cheers! dick subhumans"
>
>

RE: [DSI Synths] Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-14 by punkdISCO

Hi Dale

> I am also starting to have encoder issues now too. Just a matter of time
> I guess and use.

Yeah, I should have mentioned that.  The Pot upgrade is flippin expensive
but, I had 2 or 3 dodgy encoders so I justified the expense along the lines
of "some encoders are not working correctly so I need to get it fixed;
upgrading gets it fixed with the bonus of turning my PEK into the synth it
should have been from day 1".

Without the dodgy encoders, I don't think I could have justified the
expense..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk
Banned by YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvlOpBe0xU

RE: [DSI Synths] Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-02-14 by dale@inquisitorbetrayer.com

yep, 100% with you ... yesterday I started to get a tad tweaked with 2 of
them, out of the blue, no matter how easy, hard, fast, slow or anything,
it stayed the same ... I spun that a thousand times before it started to
work then only hit or miss ... I going to take some time to check them all
close and the Prophet 08 too ... I love them for the unique sounds but I
can not tolerate controls that do not work right ... I do not want to use
them only midi wise or editor either, I want my grubby hands on the knobs
and those knobs to respond ... silly thought huh?

Dale
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> Hi Dale
>
>> I am also starting to have encoder issues now too. Just a matter of time
>> I guess and use.
>
> Yeah, I should have mentioned that.  The Pot upgrade is flippin expensive
> but, I had 2 or 3 dodgy encoders so I justified the expense along the
> lines
> of "some encoders are not working correctly so I need to get it fixed;
> upgrading gets it fixed with the bonus of turning my PEK into the synth it
> should have been from day 1".
>
> Without the dodgy encoders, I don't think I could have justified the
> expense..
>
> Paul
> London
> www.punkdisco.co.uk
> Banned by YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvlOpBe0xU

Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-03-31 by balinillo

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "motorzot" <angstwulf@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> How do you like the way DSI deals with value jumping when you first turn a knob?  That sort of thing drives me batty on my Virus.
>
It's great, but I'm sure you can edit your virus the same way. I have a Virus KB  as well, and the knob behavior was one of the first things I changed, because I was so used to it. ;)
Under OS 4.9 it's in the "ctrl" menu under knob mode. Set that to snap ;)
Cheers,
Barely.

Re: Potentiometer 'upgrade' --- comments? is it a good thing?

2011-04-01 by motorzot

D'oh!

I go home now and slap myself.  Then RTFM.

Thanks.  Mebbe I play around with that before I decide.


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "balinillo" <barely@...> wrote:
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> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "motorzot" <angstwulf@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > How do you like the way DSI deals with value jumping when you first turn a knob?  That sort of thing drives me batty on my Virus.
> >
> It's great, but I'm sure you can edit your virus the same way. I have a Virus KB  as well, and the knob behavior was one of the first things I changed, because I was so used to it. ;)
> Under OS 4.9 it's in the "ctrl" menu under knob mode. Set that to snap ;)
> Cheers,
> Barely.
>

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