Re: [Digital BW] off list Re: From Your Moderator ...
2003-11-29 by Doug Herr
on 11/29/03 5:33 AM, Editor P.O.V. Image Service at editor@p-o-v-image.com ... Yup, my bad. Apologies to all. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento
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Re: facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by jerdiakiw
Clayton, thnaks for the encouraging news- I will take the plunge. Does this mean you don t think I need additional programs like imaqeprint, ot epson s
Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Bob Frost
Anthony, OK; I simplified things too much. For anyone wanting to read more on this, a really good book is Vision and Art; the Biology of Seeing by Margaret
Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... Except for the most rapidly animated scenes, I can t see a use for things like motor drives. I m sure it has its application in sports, but beyond that,
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Truman Prevatt
NPR had an interview with him not long ago. He s back to drawing and painting. That was his background prior to becoming a photographer and had a lot to do
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Truman Prevatt
In one course I took, the first day we were handed a TLR medium format camera. After we calibrated the exposue quirks of the camera we were allowed only one
Re: [Digital BW] Re[4]: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... It s best to evaluate arguments on their own merit, rather than on the basis of preexisting beliefs, IMO. ... I don t have any narrowband yellow filters.
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Truman Prevatt
Cartier-Bresson, W. Eugen Smith, and photographers that are associated with shooting this moment didn t have the luxury of the digital camera or unlimited
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
... I never understood that perspective... FILM is/was absolutely the cheapest component of the entire process.. Every prof and every editor I ever knew said
Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... But you said you gave up shooting B&W films 40 years ago. Does that mean that you did without B&W for that period, or what? B&W is not the real world;
Re: [Digital BW] off list Re: From Your Moderator ...
2003-11-29 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Now that s ALWAYS a brilliant move.. Great way to make friends and influence moderators.. Post an OFFLIST note aform the moderator AND your response to him/her
Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... All of the precise vision is provided by the cones. Rods are largely absence from the fovea, and they bloom readily in bright light. People who have only
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Bob Frost
Truman, With my D100 I can now do what we re always advised to do - bracket exposures. I could never afford to waste film on bracketing, but now taking three
Re: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Bob Frost
Austin, One further point on this is that we use our B&W vision - from the rods - for determining detail, edges, movement, etc., and our color vision - from
Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Bob Frost
Anthony, Because they are a form of artistic interpretation of a scene that can provide pleasing results sometimes, as can other monochrome tonings, or color
off list Re: From Your Moderator ...
2003-11-29 by Doug Herr
... Martin, FWIW, Anthony Atkielski has been kicked off several lists because of this sort of behavior... an option to consider ... Doug Herr Birdman of
Re: [Digital BW] 16 bit printing
2003-11-29 by Ernst Dinkla
Where are actually the bottlenecks of a 16 bit workflow ? True 16 bit scanning is possible on some scanners meanwhile, the difference with the ones that do a
Re: facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by Clayton Jones
Hello jerdiakiw, ... I have just finished revising those articles to reflect the new inks that became available this year, and it also has the settings for a
Re: [Digital BW] MIS FS neutral or UT
2003-11-29 by Bernhard Ess
... Hello Paul, is there an step by step explanation somewhere, how to do that without spoiling everyting? I would indeed make the N curve a very little but
RE: [Digital BW] 16 bit printing
2003-11-29 by Paul Roark
Tom & Martin, Yes, we ve got some new 16-bit questions to explore here. I sure don t want to deal with huge 16-bit/channel, multiple-layer files, but for this
Re: From Your Moderator was RE: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Jon
... Check the archives--you will discover a lot. ... Yeah, and the above reference to the archive should be taken with a grain of salt. The real test? See what
RE: Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Jon
... Ah, I see he needs no introduction. ... That I understand... Jon
Re[6]: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Jon
... Explaining something and knowing what you are explaining are not the same thing. ... Cut the crap. Post the proof or move on. Jon understanding hard
Re[4]: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Jon
... I didn t _miss_ anything. I don t believe you know what you are talking about. ... Please post to your web site:
RE: Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Jon
... Hi Tom, Sad that it has to come to that. You are by no means the first person to make that statement. I m just tired of having lists that are productive
RE: [Digital BW] 16 bit printing
2003-11-29 by Martin Wesley
* -----Original Message----- * From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@sbcglobal.net] * Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:46 PM * To:
Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... Certainly that sounds wonderful in theory. But in practice, we don t always know when the best decisive moment is going to be. We might be able to narrow
Re: [Digital BW] Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Jack M Kucy
He is THE REASON why I have said nothing on this fprum. Why bother, if every statement will be turned upside down - and against you. ... I guess it s a role af
Re: [Digital BW] Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
I just took a previous suggestion, and put him in the spam/trash filter. Tom Baker Jack M Kucy wrote: He is THE REASON why I have said
RE: [Digital BW] From Your Moderator was RE: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
The print is what it s about. There is value in the opinions of the contributors that are objective, and report the strong and weak points of particular
RE: [Digital BW] From Your Moderator was RE: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Martin Wesley
* -----Original Message----- * From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@sbcglobal.net] * Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:56 PM * To:
Re: Re[6]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... Anthony G. Atkielski ... Sure. For example, I have a better chance of getting a best of decisive moment if I shoot my ten frames in a row, reviewing and
Re: [Digital BW] From Your Moderator was RE: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
Martin - You re right. But, I m new enough that I haven t heard this stuff on here. I m sure others are in the same situation. The real problem is that 90%
Re: Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Jon
Hi Tom, Yep, sad but true. My method is this: buy and shoot as much of those materials as possible. Keep the demand up and the product will be made. Jon
RE: [Digital BW] 16 bit printing
2003-11-29 by Martin Wesley
* -----Original Message----- * From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@verizon.net] * Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:37 PM * To: DigitalB&WPrint * Subject:
Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Jon
... Exactly! I often pre-shoot with a small digital and then haul out the Linhof. Jon
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Barrett Benton
... Of course, I doubt any of us could persuade him to pick up a camera at all - he s definitely of a been there, done that, finished with it mindset these
From Your Moderator was RE: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Martin Wesley
To whom it may concern, This thread seems to be taking up an inordinate amount of bandwidth, does not seem to be progressing any farther than it has in
Re: [Digital BW] 16 bit printing
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
Paul - What would be the result if you had started with a 16bit image, done all of your work, including the curves application, then converted to 8bit just
16 bit printing
2003-11-29 by Paul Roark
Photoshop CS just made me very happy. The full sepia curve for my latest dual-toner 1280 inkset had visible stair-steps with RGB 8-bit/channel printing. When
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... I m not sure how others go about this, but for my own part, I don t usually edit while I m out in the field shooting. Even for those images where I might
Re[6]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... Have we? Today s photos don t look any better, except from a strictly technical standpoint. ... Well, Henri Cartier-Bresson is not dead, so you might want
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... And a good approach that is. I know for myself, for example, when I started shooting digital, I didn t at all abandon all I d learned from my year of
Re: Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... And we ve learned a lot about the creative process since then. Indeed, I imagine if he were around today with a digital camera, he won t hesitiate to shoot
Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... ... particularly if it smokes, drinks and runs around with other negatives. CJ
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... I often don t decide whether to keep or toss an image until long after I ve shot it. Even with a digital camera, I keep everything, and sort it out later.
Re: facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by Jerry Hadam
... Dude, Quit listening to the herd. Put the ink in the printer, install the software and hit print, don t profile, don t worry, don t hesitate. You are not
RE: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Austin Franklin
Hi Mark, ... I assure you, I am not digi-phobic or digi-hostile. ... But grain is only one aspect of a film. The tonal response curve is another, and for me,
Re: [Digital BW] facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by winddancing
Ah, -yes. I understand.
Re: facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
It s a great printer and you really won t know if it will work out until you get it and put some effort into it. Further, it isn t a dead-end. Even if you do