Re: True B&W
2003-11-29 by Jerry in Houston
What IS true b&w ? Seems to me that if the final print is b&w, ... It is, but many kinds of black and white photos can be produced only with black and
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[Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
... ... ummm, I don t know who is who at this point:) ... ... because in my mind you aren t matching a film s character unless you capture the grain... and
Re: facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by Steven Karafyllakis
... Just Yesterday I got to see Clayton s first large print on the 2200. It is absolutely beautiful, a fine print by any standards. He s replaced the
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Barrett Benton
Actually, if one looks at Kodak s product line-up, you ll find a *lot* of wet film product that doesn t even fit mainstream photography (some of which I
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
Yeah, right... maybe when they were staged! mark
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
so true! I can t say how many times I have wasted entire evenings with a negative or digital images struggling to fix it when the real answer was that it
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Steven Karafyllakis
... wonder ... I just got an intresting bit of news from a local camera shop owner: as of Dec. 21 Kodak is going to drop 70% of their wet-film products; some
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Barrett Benton
... Oh, dear...I think I m about to throw another spaniel in the works. This is the *other* aspect of digital which sort of makes my teeth itch: the idea,
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
You know, when I started studying photography I had my K1000 and endless bulk loads of Tri-X and probably shot as much as any new kid with a DSLR in art school
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
What s next? Anything that doesn t produce the board s/stockholders profit expectations. I expect that you and I, as b&w people, don t contribute enough to
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
The people I know who take photography seriously don t shoot 500 digital images. They may be more tempted to experiment more since it doesn t cost alot, but
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
True. As I said, I intend to do different things than I have done with film. Shooting in burt mode, etc., is a special case. All special cases have their
[Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Mark Hahn
agfa just canceled APX100 in 4x5 (ie. abandoned LF)... gotta wonder what s next. mark
Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... I think it is more productive to choose the images wisely to begin with; then you don t have to worry about sorting through them or discarding them or
RE: [Digital BW] Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
I think I m just going to not open his posts anymore. Tom Baker ... You may be right, but he s no stranger to me. I m not arguing with him to prove _him_
RE: Re[6]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
I have some vague recollection that these things exist and are used for scientific purposes. If some ACTUAL EXAMPLES of these in use for our type of work, it
Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... The photographer who coined the term typically only shot one.
Re[8]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... The same principle applies to any filter, actually ... it also applies in the absence of a filter. The narrowband yellow example just helps to make the
I like this
2003-11-29 by claudej1@aol.com
In a message dated 11/28/2003 5:47:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, ... I love the first part especially......................LOL....................good points.
Re: RGB 2 BW
2003-11-29 by claudej1@aol.com
In a message dated 11/28/2003 5:47:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, ... Neither can B &W film unless it s responsivity happens to be in that band. One of the
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... months), ... I just ... taking ... Then perhaps you might be missing out on one of the good advantages of working with a medium where we can erase our
RE: [Digital BW] Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Paul D. DeRocco
... You may be right, but he s no stranger to me. I m not arguing with him to prove _him_ wrong...I m arguing with him for the benefit of anyone else who might
RE: Re[6]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Paul D. DeRocco
... Heck, I d like to see an example of a narrowband yellow filter. The yellow filters I m aware of are broadband low-pass filters, e.g.,
Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Roger L Sopher
I fully agree that culling is both necessary and time consuming. I can remember Fred Picker telling a story about teaching a friend s daughter to make
Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... Digital will not increase or decrease the number of serious photographers in the world. It will, however, greatly increase the number of very casual
facing a 220 with fear and trepidation. Black only/
2003-11-29 by jerdiakiw
I have a epson 2200 on my desk and have been reading forums and talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks and software. Just read
RE: [Digital BW] Monitor Gamma 2.2 or 1.8
2003-11-29 by Paul D. DeRocco
... The monitor gamma means nothing, if you re using color-managed applications like Photoshop. It only matters in non-color-managed applications, like Windows
Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... Then again, sometimes we have to shoot 10 frames instead of just 1 to get the best decisive moment -- and which one of those frames is indeed the best
Re: IJC "AIMS"
2003-11-29 by Roy Harrington
... You really don t need to do anything about it. If you look at any of the examples and plot the values, they are a curve rather than a straight line -- the
Atkielski's Pathos (was: RE: Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale)
2003-11-29 by Jon
... Paul, He isn t arguing in order to prove you _wrong_... he is arguing with you because he wants to _argue_. This is a guy who argued on USENET for days
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by C J Morgan
... I don t know how others answer that question, but here is certainly one answer: I make color pictures when I want to emphasize color and I make black &
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Truman Prevatt
Today, you can buy a digital camera, a book telling you how to use it and fire shots to your hearts content, and you will get some pretty good snap shots. I
RE: [Digital BW] MIS FS neutral or UT
2003-11-29 by Paul Roark
Bernhard, ... On Epson Enhanced/Archival Matte the FS-N is slightly cool. The Ultra Tone with the neutral curve is more neutral, with a hint of magenta,
Re: Re[6]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
Anthony - I m essentially theorized to death. Show us some EXAMPLES of real life photography using the narrow band yellow filter. Tom Baker Anthony G.
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-29 by Tom Baker
Truman - I don t yet own a digital camera. When I do get one (next couple of months), I hope to take the same approach that I take with the 6x9, 4x5, or
Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1911
2003-11-29 by claudej1@aol.com
In a message dated 11/28/2003 10:16:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, ... I own 2 of the original Foveon prism cameras. I have also tested the Sigma SD-9 (SD-10
Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by px3n120x
I made the effort to read all posts in this thread just to see how far something stupid can go and at one point I was wondering if most of the posters have had
Re: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Truman Prevatt
You jsut answered your won question. The IR and UV are outside the frequency response of the R, G, B filters. Same for the light passed through a narrow band
Re[6]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-29 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... I ve explained it as clearly as I can. It seems that this topic is one of those hard things that many people often never quite understand, like
Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-28 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... One of the reasons I don t zip through roll after roll of film when shooting is not the cost of film ... it s the cost of sorting through the results.
Re: Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Tom Baker
You missed one. You said You can t get infrared B&W from any conversion of RGB, nor can you get UV from RGB conversion. The reason for this is the same as
Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-28 by Truman Prevatt
Barrett, Notice how people shooting digital shot large numbers of images. They need 1 Gig flash memory cards or micro drives. I ve never shot that much 35 mm
Re: B&W vs. Color
2003-11-28 by Barrett Benton
Springboard? More like trying to catapult across a mine field, in this case ;-) At least part of the problem, IMO, is how people regard black-and-white
RE: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Austin Franklin
Well, Kevin...not really. There are tonal separations that may not show up in RGB, that will using grayscale capture. Because of this, you may not get the
MIS FS neutral or UT
2003-11-28 by Bernhard Ess
Hi, my first set of UT bottles connected to my 1160 will run out soon, so I have to decide quickly what to go on with. Before the UT set I used the FSN inkset,
Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... The range of what you can obtain is much wider than it is in RGB conversion.
Re[4]: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Anthony G. Atkielski
... I guess you missed my explanation about the narrowband yellow filter. Shoot a scene in straight B&W with a narrowband yellow filter. The result will be
RE: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Austin Franklin
Mark, ... Er, who are you talking to? I certainly am not hostile towards digital imaging in any way what so ever, and you are barking up the wrong tree with
Re: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Tom Baker
CJ - I do understand your point. And, that s as good a reason as any (better than most, actually) to use those tools. THX Tom Baker C J Morgan
Re: [Digital BW] Re: RGB Convert to Grayscale
2003-11-28 by Truman Prevatt
Try some lasers half way inbetween the wavelengths of the RGB sensor. Works fine with B&W but not so well if RGB (if the filters are any good). Of course