Digital BW, The Print

Please, only comment on the Picture Window Program if you have at 
least downloaded it and used it on more than one occasion.

I want some opinions on "Picutre Window" from those of you that have 
used the professional version of PhotoShop (not Elements) for a 
while and understand its controls relatively well and have 
given "Picture Windows" a fair shot.  Hint: If you only used it on 
one occasion or on someone elses compture; please don't comment. I 
realize that this may tie many of your hands, but, I have found that 
most that continually blast products, other than their favorite 
products are usually narrow minded and don't know what the "H..." 
their talking about.

Also, if you know, please explain the difference between Picture 
Window and Picture Window Pro; they don't explain on their website.

From what I have read and have heard from some is that it sounds 
like a good program that can be a lot simplier than the full blown 
version of PhotoShop, but with a lot of control that you lose in 
Photoshop Elements.

Thanks
Randy

Randy,

Between the Pro and cheaper Picture Window (PW) program, the big difference
that I'm aware of is that the Pro version is 16 bit, the cheaper one is 8
bit.

The main reasons I PW as an alternative to PS is that it can use the curves
I use to control the inksets, and it is also a small competitor as opposed
to an Adobe or Microsoft.

I think the "best" program is usually the one that you're most familiar
with.  That is, with the learning curves being what they are, it's hard to
make a good comparison between two good programs that is not simply a
reflection of how well you know the particular programs.

That said, I prefer Photoshop.  However, with my workflow, the way PW opens
successive windows as you do things facilitates my use of the clone tool to
paint in just the amount of the affect I want.  PW aligns the clone tool at
the corners of the frames very easily -- virtually automatically.  With PS I
can use the History tool to do the same thing, but it takes a few more
keystrokes and is less intuitive.

PW does not use layers.  This is a minor inconvenience for me, but could be
a major problem for those who do composite images.  I'm not an expert in PW,
so maybe there are good ways to do the same things in different ways.

What really irks me about PS now is the new licensing scheme that would make
me buy multiple full-price copies to have copies on a laptop and secondary
PC.  Because of this and the higher compatibility of the curves, I now use
PS 6 the most.  I like PS CS/8 16 bit layers (never liked PS 7), but I only
use PS 8 when I need those 16 bit layers.  If I had to live with only one
image editor, it would be PS 6.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

________________

-----Original Message-----
From: randy_rancier2004 [mailto:rrancier@...] 
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:20 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Picture Windows opinion

Please, only comment on the Picture Window Program if you have at 
least downloaded it and used it on more than one occasion.

I want some opinions on "Picutre Window" from those of you that have 
used the professional version of PhotoShop (not Elements) for a 
while and understand its controls relatively well and have 
given "Picture Windows" a fair shot.  Hint: If you only used it on 
one occasion or on someone elses compture; please don't comment. I 
realize that this may tie many of your hands, but, I have found that 
most that continually blast products, other than their favorite 
products are usually narrow minded and don't know what the "H..." 
their talking about.

Also, if you know, please explain the difference between Picture 
Window and Picture Window Pro; they don't explain on their website.

From what I have read and have heard from some is that it sounds 
like a good program that can be a lot simplier than the full blown 
version of PhotoShop, but with a lot of control that you lose in 
Photoshop Elements.

Thanks
Randy



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Picture window has a lot going for it having tried it... If they had some 
thing vaguely alike PS's layers system????? 
Hhmmmmmmmmmmmm... I agree that the new Adobe nonsense with 
PS CS is a pain in the butt and very discouraging... We really need 
someone to come along and challenge Adobe's perceived superiority 
otherwise its going to get worse...
I digress; Picture Window seems to get more interesting with each 
upgrade and may have some real value sooner rather than later... Any 
advice from those who use it may be an advantage as I would suspect 
many are getting itchy about moving away from PS as it becomes less 
atractive. Not so mush the software, more the crap that goes with trying 
to use the damned thing!!!Iain Kirk,
56 Dundale Road,
Liverpool,
England.

Paul Roark said the following on 5/15/2004 11:07 AM:

...
> What really irks me about PS now is the new licensing scheme that would make
> me buy multiple full-price copies to have copies on a laptop and secondary
> PC.
...

The PS license actually allows you to have a copy on a second machine. 
It says
"2.4  Portable or Home Computer Use.  The primary user of the Computer 
on which the Software is installed may install a second copy of the 
Software for his or her exclusive use on either a portable Computer or a 
Computer located at his or her home, provided the Software on the 
portable or home Computer is not used at the same time as the Software 
on the primary Computer.
2.5  Backup Copy.  You may make a reasonable number of backup copies of 
the Software, provided your backup copies are not installed or used for 
other than archival purposes."
-- 
Clive
http://www.pbase.com/chmoss/root

This may be correct; however, the mularky is still a pain and if you have 
more than this number of PC's you are snookered. We pay enough for 
PS already so why do Adobe have to be such pains??? I know about the 
pirating issue and sympathise but surely there must be a better way of 
sorting this than this heavy handed, "big-brother" style attitude???

Iain Kirk



Paul Roark said the following on 5/15/2004 11:07 AM:

...
> What really irks me about PS now is the new licensing scheme that would make
> me buy multiple full-price copies to have copies on a laptop and secondary
> PC.
...

The PS license actually allows you to have a copy on a second machine. 
It says
"2.4  Portable or Home Computer Use.  The primary user of the 
Computer 
on which the Software is installed may install a second copy of the 
Software for his or her exclusive use on either a portable Computer or a 
Computer located at his or her home, provided the Software on the 
portable or home Computer is not used at the same time as the 
Software 
on the primary Computer.
2.5  Backup Copy.  You may make a reasonable number of backup 
copies of 
the Software, provided your backup copies are not installed or used for 
other than archival purposes."
-- 
Clive
http://www.pbase.com/chmoss/root



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Iain Kirk,
56 Dundale Road,
Liverpool,
England.

Thanks Paul,
We can always count on you for a reasonable, level headed, as well 
as accurate view on the complex.
Thanks again for your comments.
Randy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Randy,
> 
> Between the Pro and cheaper Picture Window (PW) program, the big 
difference
> that I'm aware of is that the Pro version is 16 bit, the cheaper 
one is 8
> bit.
> 
> The main reasons I PW as an alternative to PS is that it can use 
the curves
> I use to control the inksets, and it is also a small competitor as 
opposed
> to an Adobe or Microsoft.
> 
> I think the "best" program is usually the one that you're most 
familiar
> with.  That is, with the learning curves being what they are, it's 
hard to
> make a good comparison between two good programs that is not 
simply a
> reflection of how well you know the particular programs.
> 
> That said, I prefer Photoshop.  However, with my workflow, the way 
PW opens
> successive windows as you do things facilitates my use of the 
clone tool to
> paint in just the amount of the affect I want.  PW aligns the 
clone tool at
> the corners of the frames very easily -- virtually automatically.  
With PS I
> can use the History tool to do the same thing, but it takes a few 
more
> keystrokes and is less intuitive.
> 
> PW does not use layers.  This is a minor inconvenience for me, but 
could be
> a major problem for those who do composite images.  I'm not an 
expert in PW,
> so maybe there are good ways to do the same things in different 
ways.
> 
> What really irks me about PS now is the new licensing scheme that 
would make
> me buy multiple full-price copies to have copies on a laptop and 
secondary
> PC.  Because of this and the higher compatibility of the curves, I 
now use
> PS 6 the most.  I like PS CS/8 16 bit layers (never liked PS 7), 
but I only
> use PS 8 when I need those 16 bit layers.  If I had to live with 
only one
> image editor, it would be PS 6.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> ________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: randy_rancier2004 [mailto:rrancier@b...] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:20 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Picture Windows opinion
> 
> Please, only comment on the Picture Window Program if you have at 
> least downloaded it and used it on more than one occasion.
> 
> I want some opinions on "Picutre Window" from those of you that 
have 
> used the professional version of PhotoShop (not Elements) for a 
> while and understand its controls relatively well and have 
> given "Picture Windows" a fair shot.  Hint: If you only used it on 
> one occasion or on someone elses compture; please don't comment. I 
> realize that this may tie many of your hands, but, I have found 
that 
> most that continually blast products, other than their favorite 
> products are usually narrow minded and don't know what the "H..." 
> their talking about.
> 
> Also, if you know, please explain the difference between Picture 
> Window and Picture Window Pro; they don't explain on their website.
> 
> From what I have read and have heard from some is that it sounds 
> like a good program that can be a lot simplier than the full blown 
> version of PhotoShop, but with a lot of control that you lose in 
> Photoshop Elements.
> 
> Thanks
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
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One of the things that is really attracting me to this software 
besides the cost, is that it sounds like PW gives you the control 
and flexibility you need with curves, and tools simuliar to the 
channel mixer and other tools, one needs with B&W printing that you 
don't get with Elements or Microsofts product; I am familiar with 
Elements.  Also it appears that PW is simplier to use with less of a 
learning curve; any comments on this?

As far as layers I understand there are other ways to achieve what 
layers do; read a little about it on PW's website doing a search 
for "layers".
RR

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Kirk" 
<iainkirk@m...> wrote:
> Picture window has a lot going for it having tried it... If they 
had some 
> thing vaguely alike PS's layers system????? 
> Hhmmmmmmmmmmmm... I agree that the new Adobe nonsense with 
> PS CS is a pain in the butt and very discouraging... We really 
need 
> someone to come along and challenge Adobe's perceived superiority 
> otherwise its going to get worse...
> I digress; Picture Window seems to get more interesting with each 
> upgrade and may have some real value sooner rather than later... 
Any 
> advice from those who use it may be an advantage as I would 
suspect 
> many are getting itchy about moving away from PS as it becomes 
less 
> atractive. Not so mush the software, more the crap that goes with 
trying 

> to use the damned thing!!!Iain Kirk,
> 56 Dundale Road,
> Liverpool,
> England.

Hello Randy,

I have used Picture Window Pro quite a bit, Photoshop extensively since
version 5, and, also, Elements. Therefore, I offer the following:

1. The biggest difference between the standard version and "Pro" version is
that Pro has built in color management; based on Windows ICM. However, IMO,
the integration is not well conceived and not nearly as useful as ACE in
Photoshop. IOW, PW Pro does color management...sort of. Additionally, a
couple of transformation tools--like Color Correction (very useful,
BTW)--are available only in the Pro version.

2. Every change made in either version of PW creates a new window. Unless
you save each and every window, then, there's no way to revert back to some
prior state; like layers and history in PS. Personally, this aspect of the
program drives me absolutely nuts!

3. The preview window associated with any transformation tool is nice, but
of limited use since it's 8-bit only. Sometimes, it's very hard to properly
judge a change based on the preview. Many times, my workflow is to go ahead
and complete the transformation, then, delete the new window if something
unexpected happens.

4. On a positive note, I absolutely LOVE the masking capability of this
program. It's waaaaay more useful than the standard masking tools as
implemented in PS. IMO, you would have to have something like the Extensis
Mask Pro plugin to match the capability of PW. Occasionally, I'll create and
save a mask in PW to be used in PS.

5. Don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but I've never been able to
obtain a print out of PW that matches what I see on the screen. I run a
fully calibrated system and I'm not stranger to color management. I've never
had an issue in this regard with PS.

6. PW (at least, the Pro version) offers more interpolation options than PS.
If you need to "invent pixels", PW does a very nice job of it.

Overall, PW is a very nice program and certainly worth the cost of entry. If
you go it, I would not consider anything other than the Pro version. If you
have PS CS, you may find that you don't use PW that often.

Hope this helps.

Alan Huntley

P.S. BTW, I would select PW over Elements any day of the week; especially
give the fact that Elements is 8-bit only!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "randy_rancier2004" <rrancier@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:19 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Picture Windows opinion


Please, only comment on the Picture Window Program if you have at
least downloaded it and used it on more than one occasion.

I want some opinions on "Picutre Window" from those of you that have
used the professional version of PhotoShop (not Elements) for a
while and understand its controls relatively well and have
given "Picture Windows" a fair shot.  Hint: If you only used it on
one occasion or on someone elses compture; please don't comment. I
realize that this may tie many of your hands, but, I have found that
most that continually blast products, other than their favorite
products are usually narrow minded and don't know what the "H..."
their talking about.

Also, if you know, please explain the difference between Picture
Window and Picture Window Pro; they don't explain on their website.

From what I have read and have heard from some is that it sounds
like a good program that can be a lot simplier than the full blown
version of PhotoShop, but with a lot of control that you lose in
Photoshop Elements.

Thanks
Randy



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randy_rancier2004 wrote:
>
>
>Also, if you know, please explain the difference between Picture
>Window and Picture Window Pro; they don't explain on their website.
>
> From what I have read and have heard from some is that it sounds
>like a good program that can be a lot simplier than the full blown
>version of PhotoShop, but with a lot of control that you lose in
>Photoshop Elements.

I'm only partly qualified per your (quite reasonable) standards.
:)

I am not skilled at PS, but I have it.  I have PW Pro.   From my limited 
experience with PS, PWP seems to be more direct than PS in terms of what it 
takes to accomplish a given task.  Presumably that's because it is 
specifically geared to photo editing, and is not an all-around graphics 
program like PS.

PWP does not use layers.  I forget the philosophy behind that.  Basically, 
each change you make is on a separate working file, so you are always 
working on a new "layer".  Although, I know enough PS to know that layers 
bring more to the table than just that.

The Pro version includes color management.  It also works with 16 bit BW, 
48 bit color.  Maybe the plain version does too, I'm not sure on that one.

Basically, it is what you surmised.
Take a look at Norman Koren's website:  www.normankoren.com  He goes into a 
lot of detail on PWP.

Also, if you post on the PWP support forum, ask any questions you 
want.  The author of the program is not afraid of saying what PWP can or 
cannot do and why or why not.

-Don M

Randy Rancier wrote:
>One of the things that is really attracting me to this software
>besides the cost, is that it sounds like PW gives you the control
>and flexibility you need with curves, and tools simuliar to the
>channel mixer and other tools, one needs with B&W printing that you
>don't get with Elements or Microsofts product; I am familiar with
>Elements.  Also it appears that PW is simplier to use with less of a
>learning curve; any comments on this?

I have found PWP to be fairly easy to learn.  Easier than PS.  And I can't 
say enough about their user forum.  You can usually get a question answered 
by the program's author within a few hours.

I do think the interface is not always as polished as I would like.   It 
looks like some enhancements have been "tacked on" over the years.  But 
they work.  It's a "form follows function" interface to be sure.   However, 
there is commonality across most functions' interfaces, so once you figure 
out the flow, it carries across to most everything.

-Don M

Don, Thanks for you insightful comments.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Don M 
<don@m...> wrote:
> randy_rancier2004 wrote:
> >
> >
> >Also, if you know, please explain the difference between Picture
> >Window and Picture Window Pro; they don't explain on their 
website.
> >
> > From what I have read and have heard from some is that it sounds
> >like a good program that can be a lot simplier than the full blown
> >version of PhotoShop, but with a lot of control that you lose in
> >Photoshop Elements.
> 
> I'm only partly qualified per your (quite reasonable) standards.
> :)
> 
> I am not skilled at PS, but I have it.  I have PW Pro.   From my 
limited 
> experience with PS, PWP seems to be more direct than PS in terms 
of what it 
> takes to accomplish a given task.  Presumably that's because it is 
> specifically geared to photo editing, and is not an all-around 
graphics 
> program like PS.
> 
> PWP does not use layers.  I forget the philosophy behind that.  
Basically, 
> each change you make is on a separate working file, so you are 
always 
> working on a new "layer".  Although, I know enough PS to know that 
layers 
> bring more to the table than just that.
> 
> The Pro version includes color management.  It also works with 16 
bit BW, 
> 48 bit color.  Maybe the plain version does too, I'm not sure on 
that one.
> 
> Basically, it is what you surmised.
> Take a look at Norman Koren's website:  www.normankoren.com  He 
goes into a 
> lot of detail on PWP.
> 
> Also, if you post on the PWP support forum, ask any questions you 
> want.  The author of the program is not afraid of saying what PWP 
can or 

> cannot do and why or why not.
> 
> -Don M