Digital BW, The Print

I have a 1280 which I plan to dedicate exclusively to b/w using CIS.

I plan to get another printer today to dedicate to color also using 
CIS.

question is should i get another 1280 which I can get today for $399 
after rebate with a replacement guarantee to trade it in in two years 
for a new model (if they have one) or just a new 1280 OR should I get 
the 2200 at $799 or whatever it is.

Curious as to your thoughts. p.s. I need to do this today as the 
rebate ends on the 1280 and I found an available 2200.  : )

thanks, Tim

www.timtimmermans.com

Tim,

If you don't mind my asking, who is offering the 2 year replacement
deal? I've never heard of that before.

Lloyd

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Timmermans [mailto:treath@...] 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:31 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] 2200 vs 1280


I have a 1280 which I plan to dedicate exclusively to b/w using CIS.

I plan to get another printer today to dedicate to color also using 
CIS.

question is should i get another 1280 which I can get today for $399 
after rebate with a replacement guarantee to trade it in in two years 
for a new model (if they have one) or just a new 1280 OR should I get 
the 2200 at $799 or whatever it is.

Curious as to your thoughts. p.s. I need to do this today as the 
rebate ends on the 1280 and I found an available 2200.  : )

thanks, Tim

www.timtimmermans.com


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Lloyd O'Daniel" 
<lodaniel@b...> wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> If you don't mind my asking, who is offering the 2 year replacement
> deal? I've never heard of that before.
> 
> Lloyd
> 

Comp USA(49.95)and Fry's (99.00).

I'm not positive on the prices but I think that's about right.

Tim

> I have a 1280 which I plan to dedicate exclusively to b/w using CIS.
>
> I plan to get another printer today to dedicate to color also using
> CIS.
>
> question is should i get another 1280 which I can get today for $399
> after rebate with a replacement guarantee to trade it in in two years
> for a new model (if they have one) or just a new 1280 OR should I get
> the 2200 at $799 or whatever it is.

The 2200 may eventually be a better solution, but you'll have to wait a
while. It's still unproven, and the CIS's for it have yet to ship. In the
meantime, you'll have to do a lot of your own R&D for curves and B&W
inksets.

If you want to start printing tomorrow, get the 1280. You can get the Piezo
driver, a CIS, some ink, and start churning out half decent prints a few
minutes after you plug it in.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Lloyd O'Daniel" 
<lodaniel@b...> wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> If you don't mind my asking, who is offering the 2 year replacement
> deal? I've never heard of that before.
> 
> Lloyd
> 
 Lloyd;
here's subject 'near and dear' to my heart! Comp USA offers the 
replacement warranty (they call it a TAP- Technology Assurance 
Program) and according to the salesperson that sold me mine, you can 
bring it in and get full credit (minus sales tax and the cost of the 
TAP) towards anything else in the store. So far I've replaced a two 
year-old Alps and TWO 1280s for the cost of the sales tax and a new 
TAP each time. I've managed to not screw up my current 1280 so far, 
but near the end I will most certainly take it in and replace it! 
What a deal!

Steve

http://www.stevekphoto.com

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Timmermans [mailto:treath@a...] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:31 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [Digital BW] 2200 vs 1280
> 
> 
> I have a 1280 which I plan to dedicate exclusively to b/w using 
CIS.
> 
> I plan to get another printer today to dedicate to color also 
using 
> CIS.
> 
> question is should i get another 1280 which I can get today for 
$399 
> after rebate with a replacement guarantee to trade it in in two 
years 
> for a new model (if they have one) or just a new 1280 OR should I 
get 
> the 2200 at $799 or whatever it is.
> 
> Curious as to your thoughts. p.s. I need to do this today as the 
> rebate ends on the 1280 and I found an available 2200.  : )
> 
> thanks, Tim
> 
> www.timtimmermans.com
> 
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steven Karafyllakis" 
<stevek@e...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Lloyd O'Daniel" 
> <lodaniel@b...> wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > If you don't mind my asking, who is offering the 2 year 
replacement
> > deal? I've never heard of that before.
> > 
> > Lloyd
> > 


I decided to pass on the 2200 for now. I got burned on the 2000P and 
I know good results can be gotten out of the 1280. Besides the deal 
at Comp USA on the 1280 was great. I paid the $499 but I get a $100 
rebate. I get a $50 credit voucher for any Comp USA product. I get 
another $10 rebate from epson for some reason. I bought the $49 two 
year replacment because it comes with a $25 coupon towards the 
purchase of an ink cartridge (which is about the same price) so....

basically I got the printer for $389 with a two year replacement 
warranty and 3 extra cartridges and I can either get a new printer or 
a $499 refund any time in the next two years or just trade up for a 
2200 and pay only the difference.

Not bad. Now I just hope they stay in business.
Thanks to all of you for your opinions.
Tim

http://www.timtimmermans.com

Seems like the prefered machine, using MIS UT inks, for most is the 
1280; why is that?  Although it seems the BO folks prefer the 2200, 
probably due to the smaller ink droplets?  I've seen both UT2 prints 
and BO prints (printed on a 890), and I like them both, depends on 
the image.  

 My first priority is B&W, however, I will be using the printer for 
both B&W printing (UT & BO) and color; how does the 1280 compare 
with the 2200 as far as color?
Thanks,
Randy

> From: Randy Rancier [mailto:rrancier@...]
>
>  My first priority is B&W, however, I will be using the printer for
> both B&W printing (UT & BO) and color; how does the 1280 compare
> with the 2200 as far as color?

Out of the box, 1280's dye inks have more vibrant colors and denser blacks,
but naturally they fade pretty quickly. You can of course use 3rd party
pigs, which I suppose puts you into the same ballpark as the 2200. For my
style, the 2200 is plenty vibrant enough, but I know people who won't put up
with anything but dyes, hang the longevity.

But there are plenty of ancillary reasons for preferring the 2200: smaller
droplets, faster, FireWire interface, seven color, individual ink tanks,
paper cutter.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Hello Randy,

>Although it seems the BO folks prefer the 2200, probably due to the 
>smaller ink droplets

Actually the 1280 and 2200 both have 4pl droplets.  The 1280 produces
BO prints that are as good looking as the 2200 (at 2880 dpi).  I think
the main reasons for the 2200 BO popularity are faster printing speed,
fewer clogging problems, UC pigment inks for color prints, and the
rear paper feeder for thick papers (I haven't tried it, but I'm told
it will handle the 500gsm papers). 

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi:

Haven't been able to do much in the last year because of a terminal 
illness in the family. During the time I let a CFS go "belly up", so 
now I'm going to try MIS GP and U2 inks. For those of us who would 
still like to get some mileage out of the 1280 this sound like a 
very good option. 

While many say that they don't see the difference on the 1280 
between the 2880 and 1440 settings, I seem to. Of course on heavier 
media like Somerset photo enhance the texture seems to hide the 
difference. 

If this doesn't work for me than I guess I'm gonna have to fork out 
for the 4000 (although this will delay my D70 purchase:).

I was quite please with the pigment prints I got before. It took a 
little work to get the work flow right, but the prints were recieved 
well by both people who bought them and relatives who begged them:)

Will let you all know how these new inks work. Anyone using them on 
this list?

Regards,

Jeff Lee

Randy: I have a 1280 loaded with UT2 although I usually only print BO
and an 890 with color dye inks. I've never owned a 2200 but have seen
many b&w prints and a few color from. Here's my thoughts:

You can't tell the difference between a b&w print made on a 1280 and a
2200. Either BO or quadtone. The 1280/890 dye looks as good as the
2200 pigment but we know the dye will eventually fade. It appears that
the 1280 is easier to do b&w. |The 2200 infrastructure support is
building to the level that exists for the 1280. I think this is a key
point as I personally don't want to be on the leading edge figuring
out techniques for a new item. I just want to make good prints and do
it the easiest way. 

If you don't feel comfortable unless you have the latest and greatest,
consider a 2200. If all if want is to make good prints using
techniques others have developed, consider a 1280. 

Bob Michaels

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Rancier"
<rrancier@b...> wrote:

> Seems like the prefered machine, using MIS UT inks, for most is the 
> 1280; why is that?  Although it seems the BO folks prefer the 2200, 
> probably due to the smaller ink droplets?  I've seen both UT2 prints 
> and BO prints (printed on a 890), and I like them both, depends on 
> the image.  
> 
>  My first priority is B&W, however, I will be using the printer for 
> both B&W printing (UT & BO) and color; how does the 1280 compare 
> with the 2200 as far as color?
> Thanks,
> Randy

Amen to that!

I understand MIS makes pigment based ink for the 1280 that they say 
is supposed to match or excede the Ultrachrome permanance!

Thanks for you insight

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michaels" 
<bob@b...> wrote:
> Randy: I have a 1280 loaded with UT2 although I usually only print 
BO
> and an 890 with color dye inks. I've never owned a 2200 but have 
seen
> many b&w prints and a few color from. Here's my thoughts:
> 
> You can't tell the difference between a b&w print made on a 1280 
and a
> 2200. Either BO or quadtone. The 1280/890 dye looks as good as the
> 2200 pigment but we know the dye will eventually fade. It appears 
that
> the 1280 is easier to do b&w. |The 2200 infrastructure support is
> building to the level that exists for the 1280. I think this is a 
key
> point as I personally don't want to be on the leading edge figuring
> out techniques for a new item. I just want to make good prints and 
do
> it the easiest way. 
> 
> If you don't feel comfortable unless you have the latest and 
greatest,
> consider a 2200. If all if want is to make good prints using
> techniques others have developed, consider a 1280. 
> 
> Bob Michaels
> 
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Randy 
Rancier"
> <rrancier@b...> wrote:
> > Seems like the prefered machine, using MIS UT inks, for most is 
the 
> > 1280; why is that?  Although it seems the BO folks prefer the 
2200, 
> > probably due to the smaller ink droplets?  I've seen both UT2 
prints 
> > and BO prints (printed on a 890), and I like them both, depends 
on 
> > the image.  
> > 
> >  My first priority is B&W, however, I will be using the printer 
for 

> > both B&W printing (UT & BO) and color; how does the 1280 compare 
> > with the 2200 as far as color?
> > Thanks,
> > Randy