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refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-16 by Richard Wolfson_

hi Paul -

Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?" Is
this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post? (And what are
they?)

thanks,
Richard Wolfson
Fine Art Photographer
Digital Imaging Consultant
Harvard Massachusetts USA
rw at RichardWolfson.com


> From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
> Subject: comparison hue of piezotone selen - UT-FSN
> 
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> 
> The per-print ink costs when refilling the "refill-friendly" 
> carts with MIS UT ink is extremely low.  I do not recommend 
> bottom filling/re-filling of older desktop carts, but I find 
> my 7500 carts and the newest C86 and 2200 carts to be 
> extremely easy to refill.

RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-16 by Paul Roark

Richard,

>Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?" 
>Is this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post? 
>(And what are they?)

Take a look at
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c82refill.html and
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html.

(Where the C86 picture says to drill a hole, they are now pre-drilled, and
there are little rubber "corks" that plug the hole until re-fill time.)

To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, squirt 13 cc
of ink into the sponge-free reservoir, stick the cork back in, and re-set
the chip.  This is really easy and cheap.  So far it is working extremely
well with the C86 I'm using.  I don't know how long the carts will last, but
the system is essentially a CFS without the tubes.  The carts might last a
year or more.

(The latest version of Re-setter SK168 -- that turns from red to green -- is
the recommended resetter.  It has a plastic guide that needs slight
modification at least for the C86 carts -- 1 mm cardboard on the base to
raise the cart, 5 mm sawed off the side of the guide to allow for a bulge
the new carts have.  I've sent my recommendations to MIS.  With those
modifications, it has successfully reset 100% of the time with the C86.)

The poppet valve is similar to what Epson has had for some time, but the
third party carts have lacked the better outlet valve.  It's a spring valve
as opposed to the older simple rubber gasket.  It allows me to, for example,
switch between Eboni matte K and PK at will, with perfect nozzle checks
right off the bat.  Interchanging carts now becomes practical, it appears.
I just tape the outlet of the cart that has been removed.

So, these 2 advances, which affect the C86 carts (C84 included) and 2200
carts (C82 included), make life for these desktop units much easier and
cheaper.  I never liked the old re-filling, and I do not recommend bottom
filling because it puts any junk in the ink on the wrong side of the
sponge/filter.  With these new carts the built-in filters will always be
able to do their job, which might allow our desktop units to live longer.
 
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 


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> From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
> Subject: comparison hue of piezotone selen - UT-FSN
> 
[big snip]
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> The per-print ink costs when refilling the "refill-friendly" 
> carts with MIS UT ink is extremely low.  I do not recommend 
> bottom filling/re-filling of older desktop carts, but I find 
> my 7500 carts and the newest C86 and 2200 carts to be 
> extremely easy to refill.

RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-16 by Jake Hellbach

Hi Richard,
I'm not sure what makes the cart refill-friendly but I did buy some of the carts and ink from MIS for my
2200.
I would say they are "fill-friendly" as they are easy to fill using the bottom fill method. The problem is
when its time to re-fill they are full of ink foam and I still can't get all the foam out of one of mine
so I had to buy a Epson cartridge to finish a print order I had.

I'm guessing its something I'm not doing right. One other thing is when you fill them, do yourself a favor
and wear rubber gloves and do it outside as it can get very messy.

Jake

Fine Art Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Richard Wolfson_ [mailto:rw@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:09 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?


  hi Paul -

  Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?" Is
  this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post? (And what are
  they?)

  thanks,
  Richard Wolfson
  Fine Art Photographer
  Digital Imaging Consultant
  Harvard Massachusetts USA
  rw at RichardWolfson.com


  > From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  > Subject: comparison hue of piezotone selen - UT-FSN
  >
  [big snip]
  >
  > The per-print ink costs when refilling the "refill-friendly"
  > carts with MIS UT ink is extremely low.  I do not recommend
  > bottom filling/re-filling of older desktop carts, but I find
  > my 7500 carts and the newest C86 and 2200 carts to be
  > extremely easy to refill.


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RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-16 by Jake Hellbach

Paul,
Did MIS change the design on their carts?
I bought mine about a month ago and they are not clear as in the link below. They do have a larger hole
where in the instructions for the c82refill they mention filling it there and then plug the hole. I've
asked this question from MIS but haven't gotten a answer. If I can fill my carts this same way maybe this
is my problem with the foam buildup.

Jake


Fine Art Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]

  Richard,

  >Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?"
  >Is this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post?
  >(And what are they?)

  Take a look at
  http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c82refill.html and
  http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html.

  (Where the C86 picture says to drill a hole, they are now pre-drilled, and
  there are little rubber "corks" that plug the hole until re-fill time.)

  To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, squirt 13 cc
  of ink into the sponge-free reservoir, stick the cork back in, and re-set
  the chip.  This is really easy and cheap.  So far it is working extremely
  well with the C86 I'm using.  I don't know how long the carts will last, but
  the system is essentially a CFS without the tubes.  The carts might last a
  year or more.

  (The latest version of Re-setter SK168 -- that turns from red to green -- is
  the recommended resetter.  It has a plastic guide that needs slight
  modification at least for the C86 carts -- 1 mm cardboard on the base to
  raise the cart, 5 mm sawed off the side of the guide to allow for a bulge
  the new carts have.  I've sent my recommendations to MIS.  With those
  modifications, it has successfully reset 100% of the time with the C86.)

  The poppet valve is similar to what Epson has had for some time, but the
  third party carts have lacked the better outlet valve.  It's a spring valve
  as opposed to the older simple rubber gasket.  It allows me to, for example,
  switch between Eboni matte K and PK at will, with perfect nozzle checks
  right off the bat.  Interchanging carts now becomes practical, it appears.
  I just tape the outlet of the cart that has been removed.

  So, these 2 advances, which affect the C86 carts (C84 included) and 2200
  carts (C82 included), make life for these desktop units much easier and
  cheaper.  I never liked the old re-filling, and I do not recommend bottom
  filling because it puts any junk in the ink on the wrong side of the
  sponge/filter.  With these new carts the built-in filters will always be
  able to do their job, which might allow our desktop units to live longer.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com




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RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-16 by Paul Roark

Jake,

>Did MIS change the design on their carts?

Frankly, they are at the mercy of their suppliers.  A large part of MIS's
job is to search the world for the best supplies, including the carts.  From
what I can tell these latest, poppet-valve, easy refill types are brand new.

>...If I can fill my carts this same way maybe this
>is my problem with the foam buildup.

I'm hopeful that these new carts will not have the foam problem.  I've
refilled a number of the new C86 carts and, so far, no problems. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]

  Richard,

  >Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?"
  >Is this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post?
  >(And what are they?)

  Take a look at
  http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c82refill.html and
  http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html.

  (Where the C86 picture says to drill a hole, they are now pre-drilled, and
  there are little rubber "corks" that plug the hole until re-fill time.)

  To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, squirt 13
cc
  of ink into the sponge-free reservoir, stick the cork back in, and re-set
  the chip.  This is really easy and cheap.  So far it is working extremely
  well with the C86 I'm using.  I don't know how long the carts will last,
but
  the system is essentially a CFS without the tubes.  The carts might last a
  year or more.

  (The latest version of Re-setter SK168 -- that turns from red to green --
is
  the recommended resetter.  It has a plastic guide that needs slight
  modification at least for the C86 carts -- 1 mm cardboard on the base to
  raise the cart, 5 mm sawed off the side of the guide to allow for a bulge
  the new carts have.  I've sent my recommendations to MIS.  With those
  modifications, it has successfully reset 100% of the time with the C86.)

  The poppet valve is similar to what Epson has had for some time, but the
  third party carts have lacked the better outlet valve.  It's a spring
valve
  as opposed to the older simple rubber gasket.  It allows me to, for
example,
  switch between Eboni matte K and PK at will, with perfect nozzle checks
  right off the bat.  Interchanging carts now becomes practical, it appears.
  I just tape the outlet of the cart that has been removed.

  So, these 2 advances, which affect the C86 carts (C84 included) and 2200
  carts (C82 included), make life for these desktop units much easier and
  cheaper.  I never liked the old re-filling, and I do not recommend bottom
  filling because it puts any junk in the ink on the wrong side of the
  sponge/filter.  With these new carts the built-in filters will always be
  able to do their job, which might allow our desktop units to live longer.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com




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Re: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by David Wroblewski

> 
> To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, 

Hi Paul, thanks for the update on these carts. Glad to hear you
like them.

I'm in the middle of running my first set, and wondering how 
I'm going to pull that little plug out of its tiny little hole 
when the time comes. It's very snug. Do you use a pin? Or is 
there another trick?

By the way, when I first filled mine I didn't do that primer
draw from the bottom, and the results were nerve-racking.
Took *forever* to get a good nozzle check, but now they are 
perfect every time. I assume I don't need to do that on 
subsequent fills, correct?

-david

RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by Paul Roark

David,

> 
>> To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, 

>I'm in the middle of running my first set, and wondering how 
>I'm going to pull that little plug out ...

I now make sure they are not pushed all the way in.  They are in the shape
of a little cork.  So, I make sure the wide end is enough outside the cart
that I can pull it out with a finger nail.  Today I had one that I'd pushed
in too far, but I was able to extract it with the point of a razor knife
blade.

>By the way, when I first filled mine I didn't do that primer
>draw from the bottom, and the results were nerve-racking.
>Took *forever* to get a good nozzle check, but now they are 
>perfect every time. I assume I don't need to do that on 
>subsequent fills, correct?


No, once it starts, it's good.

But, as you've also discovered, it's important to prime the carts by pulling
a bit of ink out.  I use an MIS bottom fill adapter on a syringe.  I've
modified the bottom fill adapter by shortening the end to 7 mm.  (I first
did this to be able to pull ink from 7600 carts, but it seems to work for
these poppet valves also.)  The idea was to get the snout long enough to
open the valve, but short enough that the wider part of the bottom fill
adapter could be pushed tight against the bottom of the valve to seal the
connection.  I turn the cart upside down when I do this so that the bubble
that is there will be pulled out first.  As soon as I get ink I stop.  I'm
thinking it might also make sense to tip the cart just enough so that the
ink in the reservoir is up against the opening between the 2 chambers.  This
would stop air from being pulled in through that opening.

Anyway, I refilled 3 carts today and had perfect nozzle checks with each one
immediately without doing any more than squirting about 10 cc of ink into
the reservoir and re-setting the chip. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by Steve Kale

Paul

Do you know whether the resetter requires modification for the 2200 carts?

Thanks

Steve
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> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:59:58 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?
> 
> 
> Richard,
> 
>> Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?"
>> Is this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post?
>> (And what are they?)
> 
> Take a look at
> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c82refill.html and
> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html.
> 
> (Where the C86 picture says to drill a hole, they are now pre-drilled, and
> there are little rubber "corks" that plug the hole until re-fill time.)
> 
> To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, squirt 13 cc
> of ink into the sponge-free reservoir, stick the cork back in, and re-set
> the chip.  This is really easy and cheap.  So far it is working extremely
> well with the C86 I'm using.  I don't know how long the carts will last, but
> the system is essentially a CFS without the tubes.  The carts might last a
> year or more.
> 
> (The latest version of Re-setter SK168 -- that turns from red to green -- is
> the recommended resetter.  It has a plastic guide that needs slight
> modification at least for the C86 carts -- 1 mm cardboard on the base to
> raise the cart, 5 mm sawed off the side of the guide to allow for a bulge
> the new carts have.  I've sent my recommendations to MIS.  With those
> modifications, it has successfully reset 100% of the time with the C86.)
> 
> The poppet valve is similar to what Epson has had for some time, but the
> third party carts have lacked the better outlet valve.  It's a spring valve
> as opposed to the older simple rubber gasket.  It allows me to, for example,
> switch between Eboni matte K and PK at will, with perfect nozzle checks
> right off the bat.  Interchanging carts now becomes practical, it appears.
> I just tape the outlet of the cart that has been removed.
> 
> So, these 2 advances, which affect the C86 carts (C84 included) and 2200
> carts (C82 included), make life for these desktop units much easier and
> cheaper.  I never liked the old re-filling, and I do not recommend bottom
> filling because it puts any junk in the ink on the wrong side of the
> sponge/filter.  With these new carts the built-in filters will always be
> able to do their job, which might allow our desktop units to live longer.
>  
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by David Wroblewski

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> But, as you've also discovered, it's important to prime the 
> carts by pulling a bit of ink out.  I use an MIS bottom fill
> adapter on a syringe.  I've modified the bottom fill adapter 
> by shortening the end to 7 mm.

...and the other thing I learned, the hard way, was to be sure to
order needle tips for the syringes you've has been using to do 
bottom filling. :-)

I have the old chip resetter, evidently. Seems to work fine. 
Do you think there is any advantage to getting a newer one?
I didn't realize there were any issues with the old model.

david

RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by Paul Roark

Steve,

>Do you know whether the resetter requires modification for the 2200 carts?

I have yet to see get my hands on any of the new 2200 carts.  All I did for
the C86 carts was modify the plastic resetter guide so that the chip
contacts hit the resetter pins.  So, when you get some, just see if they are
lining up. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
___________________


> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:59:58 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?
> 
> 
> Richard,
> 
>> Could you describe what makes certain cartridges "refill-friendly?"
>> Is this related to "poppets" you mentioned in another post?
>> (And what are they?)
> 
> Take a look at
> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c82refill.html and
> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html.
> 
> (Where the C86 picture says to drill a hole, they are now pre-drilled, and
> there are little rubber "corks" that plug the hole until re-fill time.)
> 
> To fill or re-fill these carts, all one does is pull the cork, squirt 13
cc
> of ink into the sponge-free reservoir, stick the cork back in, and re-set
> the chip.  This is really easy and cheap.  So far it is working extremely
> well with the C86 I'm using.  I don't know how long the carts will last,
but
> the system is essentially a CFS without the tubes.  The carts might last a
> year or more.
> 
> (The latest version of Re-setter SK168 -- that turns from red to green --
is
> the recommended resetter.  It has a plastic guide that needs slight
> modification at least for the C86 carts -- 1 mm cardboard on the base to
> raise the cart, 5 mm sawed off the side of the guide to allow for a bulge
> the new carts have.  I've sent my recommendations to MIS.  With those
> modifications, it has successfully reset 100% of the time with the C86.)
> 
> The poppet valve is similar to what Epson has had for some time, but the
> third party carts have lacked the better outlet valve.  It's a spring
valve
> as opposed to the older simple rubber gasket.  It allows me to, for
example,
> switch between Eboni matte K and PK at will, with perfect nozzle checks
> right off the bat.  Interchanging carts now becomes practical, it appears.
> I just tape the outlet of the cart that has been removed.
> 
> So, these 2 advances, which affect the C86 carts (C84 included) and 2200
> carts (C82 included), make life for these desktop units much easier and
> cheaper.  I never liked the old re-filling, and I do not recommend bottom
> filling because it puts any junk in the ink on the wrong side of the
> sponge/filter.  With these new carts the built-in filters will always be
> able to do their job, which might allow our desktop units to live longer.
>  
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 





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RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by Paul Roark

David,

I don't know if the newer re-setters are better or not.  MIS made a comment
to me that seemed to indicate the re-setter with the light that changes from
red to green as the chip is re-set is the best.  I had several re-setters,
only one of which fit that description, and my batting average on resetting
in general was less than perfect.  So, I started to use just the one with
the light that changes colors, and so far with the C86 chips it has been
successful every time.  There may, however, be other factors, such as the
batch of C86 chips MIS sent.  

So, I'd just see if yours works OK before replacing it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?



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> But, as you've also discovered, it's important to prime the 
> carts by pulling a bit of ink out.  I use an MIS bottom fill
> adapter on a syringe.  I've modified the bottom fill adapter 
> by shortening the end to 7 mm.

...and the other thing I learned, the hard way, was to be sure to
order needle tips for the syringes you've has been using to do 
bottom filling. :-)

I have the old chip resetter, evidently. Seems to work fine. 
Do you think there is any advantage to getting a newer one?
I didn't realize there were any issues with the old model.

david







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RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by Jake Hellbach

Paul and David,
The re-setter I bought from MIS is the one that has the light that changes from red to green. I use in on
the 2200 empty carts I bought from them. I also used it on the original Epson carts and it works great
every time.

Now, if I could only get all the foam out the carts I would be back in business.
I did get an email from MIS tech support and the carts I bought was just before they got the clear ones. I
may buy those since the older ones like I have seem to have a lot of foam problems.

Jake

Fine Art Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]


  David,

  I don't know if the newer re-setters are better or not.  MIS made a comment
  to me that seemed to indicate the re-setter with the light that changes from
  red to green as the chip is re-set is the best.  I had several re-setters,
  only one of which fit that description, and my batting average on resetting
  in general was less than perfect.  So, I started to use just the one with
  the light that changes colors, and so far with the C86 chips it has been
  successful every time.  There may, however, be other factors, such as the
  batch of C86 chips MIS sent.

  So, I'd just see if yours works OK before replacing it.



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Re: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?

2004-11-17 by Steve Kale

Thanks - I was coming at this from the point of view of someone who doesn't
yet own a resetter ie should I wait for modifications to be made in the
production model.  From another post from Jake Hellbach it seems that the
current model works well with the 2200 carts.  As I have limited
opportunities to purchase stuff in the US and pick it up there and bring it
back to the UK I may go ahead and order a set of carts and the resetter.
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> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:18:22 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] refill-friendly carts?
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
>> Do you know whether the resetter requires modification for the 2200 carts?
> 
> I have yet to see get my hands on any of the new 2200 carts.  All I did for
> the C86 carts was modify the plastic resetter guide so that the chip
> contacts hit the resetter pins.  So, when you get some, just see if they are
> lining up. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
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