Digital BW, The Print

While I would like to experiment using a digital camera to produce 
B&W, it is a bigger step for me than most as the cameras I use are 
all manual rangefinders and slrs from the 50s-70s.  (I do not have a 
camera with auto-focus and do not own a zoom lens.)  Given the recent 
exchanges on this list, I realize that producing a reasonable B&W 
print from a digital camera involves a reasonably steep learning 
curve and that it will take considerable effort.  While I am 
certainly willing to invest the time, I want to make sure the 
equipment I use  is capable of giving me reasonable results -  say 
more or less equivalent to what I now get from scanning negatives 
produced with a Canon FTb.    I have access to a Canon G2 and wonder 
if that will do it.  If not, what would it take?  I assume that there 
is something on the market other than the pro digital slrs that is 
capable of producing reasonable results.  I just don't want to spend 
all of the time and effort learning to use a digital camera and then 
trash the idea because I had the wrong equipment.

Please respond to me off-list if you feel that this question is not 
of general interest.

Thanks,

Steve

I think the shift in camera gear is pretty easy.  I went from using mostly
large-format view cameras to 35 then digital.  If I can do it anyone can.
Once you learn not to blow out the highlights the digital camera is fine.
There are a number of Photoshop actions to convert the digital file to b&w,
or you can do it yourself in Channel Mixer.  The issue is really in the
printer.  You'll need to read some of the threads on this list which pretty
much lead to dedicating a printer to b&w inks and/or buying a RIP.

You can buy an entry level Canon Digital Rebel (300D) for $800 or less for
the body, plus some compact flash cards.  Canon prime lenses are around
$300-500 or so.  If you don't like the results you can always put it on
ebay.  However, everyone I know who has switched to digital has the same
response - it's as if you had taken a layer of grunge off the image.  You'll
want to use RAW capture, and if you have Photoshop CS it comes with a RAW
converter. Just one thing about the camera: The entry-level cameras have a
1.6x multiplier, so my 50mm lens is an 80, and so forth.  When I want to use
my 15mm it's back to film.  Same thing in some very low-light situations
where a RF film camera can be better.  Anyway, hope this helps a little.  If
you get an entry-level SLR, and start off using a printing solution that
does not involve using the Epson drivers to mix color inks to b&w, you
should get a fair trial and not that bad a learning curve.  Anything less
will probably lead to disappointment.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Kobrin [mailto:kobrins@...] 
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:37 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)
> 
> 
> 
> While I would like to experiment using a digital camera to 
> produce B&W, it is a bigger step for me than most as the 
> cameras I use are all manual rangefinders and slrs from the 
> 50s-70s.  (I do not have a camera with auto-focus and do not 
> own a zoom lens.)  Given the recent exchanges on this list, I 
> realize that producing a reasonable B&W print from a digital 
> camera involves a reasonably steep learning curve and that it 
> will take considerable effort.  While I am certainly willing 
> to invest the time, I want to make sure the equipment I use  
> is capable of giving me reasonable results -  say more or 
> less equivalent to what I now get from scanning negatives 
> produced with a Canon FTb.    I have access to a Canon G2 and wonder 
> if that will do it.  If not, what would it take?  I assume 
> that there is something on the market other than the pro 
> digital slrs that is capable of producing reasonable results. 
>  I just don't want to spend all of the time and effort 
> learning to use a digital camera and then trash the idea 
> because I had the wrong equipment.
> 
> Please respond to me off-list if you feel that this question 
> is not of general interest.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Stephen Kobrin [mailto:kobrins@...]
>
> While I would like to experiment using a digital camera to produce
> B&W, it is a bigger step for me than most as the cameras I use are
> all manual rangefinders and slrs from the 50s-70s.  (I do not have a
> camera with auto-focus and do not own a zoom lens.)  Given the recent
> exchanges on this list, I realize that producing a reasonable B&W
> print from a digital camera involves a reasonably steep learning
> curve and that it will take considerable effort.  While I am
> certainly willing to invest the time, I want to make sure the
> equipment I use  is capable of giving me reasonable results -  say
> more or less equivalent to what I now get from scanning negatives
> produced with a Canon FTb.    I have access to a Canon G2 and wonder
> if that will do it.  If not, what would it take?  I assume that there
> is something on the market other than the pro digital slrs that is
> capable of producing reasonable results.  I just don't want to spend
> all of the time and effort learning to use a digital camera and then
> trash the idea because I had the wrong equipment.

The G2 isn't high resolution enough to satisfy you in the long run, but is
certainly a good enough image source for testing various workflows and
printers. The biggest question is the printer, but right off the bat you can
try printing B&W with any printer you've got, to see what limitations you
encounter. The basic choices are: print with color inks, and fight with
metamerism, and with the resulting variable color casts that come from
imperfect profiles; print with black ink only, and accept the greater grain
and lack of control over the color cast; print with quadtones and hextones,
but at the expense and difficulty of dealing with 3rd party add-ons and a
more complicated workflow. But whichever you choose, you'll be able to see
how a certain number of pixels corresponds to a certain level of sharpness
in the prints, and decide whether a DSLR will satisfy you.

For the image source, you can go in two directions: a digital camera, or
your existing cameras and a film scanner. There's an excellent mailing list
at http://www.halftone.co.uk/ for the latter. If you decide to go the full
digital route--which is a real pleasure because it's so convenient--you can
look into getting a better camera than the G2. Since you don't already have
an investment in auto-focus glass, you're not locked into one particular
manufacturer, and for the moment Canon seems to be leading the pack in
DSLRs. Ken suggested the 300D as a good entry level camera; if you can
invest more, I'd suggest the 20D. (If you're filthy rich, then there's the
1Ds Mark II.) In my opinion, the Canon zooms, at least the L series ones,
are sharp enough to push the limits of the sensors, so there's not much to
be gained sharpness-wise by sticking to primes.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Thanks Ken and Paul,

I have been printing using MIS inks for a number of years and now use 
a 1280 with the UT2 inkset and am pleased with the results.  However, 
to this point I have been scanning film.  My question really revolved 
around trying digital capture rather than film.  However, I think 
that you both provided enought information about cameras and the G2 
to get me going.

Steve


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco" 
<pderocco@i...> wrote:
> > From: Stephen Kobrin [mailto:kobrins@w...]
> >
> > While I would like to experiment using a digital camera to produce
> > B&W, it is a bigger step for me than most as the cameras I use are
> > all manual rangefinders and slrs from the 50s-70s.  (I do not 
have a
> > camera with auto-focus and do not own a zoom lens.)  Given the 
recent
> > exchanges on this list, I realize that producing a reasonable B&W
> > print from a digital camera involves a reasonably steep learning
> > curve and that it will take considerable effort.  While I am
> > certainly willing to invest the time, I want to make sure the
> > equipment I use  is capable of giving me reasonable results -  say
> > more or less equivalent to what I now get from scanning negatives
> > produced with a Canon FTb.    I have access to a Canon G2 and 
wonder
> > if that will do it.  If not, what would it take?  I assume that 
there
> > is something on the market other than the pro digital slrs that is
> > capable of producing reasonable results.  I just don't want to 
spend
> > all of the time and effort learning to use a digital camera and 
then
> > trash the idea because I had the wrong equipment.
> 
> The G2 isn't high resolution enough to satisfy you in the long run, 
but is
> certainly a good enough image source for testing various workflows 
and
> printers. The biggest question is the printer, but right off the 
bat you can
> try printing B&W with any printer you've got, to see what 
limitations you
> encounter. The basic choices are: print with color inks, and fight 
with
> metamerism, and with the resulting variable color casts that come 
from
> imperfect profiles; print with black ink only, and accept the 
greater grain
> and lack of control over the color cast; print with quadtones and 
hextones,
> but at the expense and difficulty of dealing with 3rd party add-ons 
and a
> more complicated workflow. But whichever you choose, you'll be able 
to see
> how a certain number of pixels corresponds to a certain level of 
sharpness
> in the prints, and decide whether a DSLR will satisfy you.
> 
> For the image source, you can go in two directions: a digital 
camera, or
> your existing cameras and a film scanner. There's an excellent 
mailing list
> at http://www.halftone.co.uk/ for the latter. If you decide to go 
the full
> digital route--which is a real pleasure because it's so convenient--
you can
> look into getting a better camera than the G2. Since you don't 
already have
> an investment in auto-focus glass, you're not locked into one 
particular
> manufacturer, and for the moment Canon seems to be leading the pack 
in
> DSLRs. Ken suggested the 300D as a good entry level camera; if you 
can
> invest more, I'd suggest the 20D. (If you're filthy rich, then 
there's the
> 1Ds Mark II.) In my opinion, the Canon zooms, at least the L series 
ones,
> are sharp enough to push the limits of the sensors, so there's not 
much to

> be gained sharpness-wise by sticking to primes.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...

The Epson RD1.  While it isn't the digital range finder I had in 
mind some years ago it has interesting B&W features.

See:

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml


KonicaMinolta could improve on that with a Digital Hexar RF and 
the AntiShake sensor.  The Hexar body doesn't have a silent 
shutter either but Konica should be able to solve that.

Ernst

----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Stephen Kobrin 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:36 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)



  >>>>>>  I just don't want to spend 
  all of the time and effort learning to use a digital camera and then 
  trash the idea because I had the wrong equipment.

  Please respond to me off-list if you feel that this question is not 
  of general interest.

  Thanks,

  Steve  <<<<<<<


  What use will you be doing of a digital camera ? If it is just for your leisure you might get disappointed, not on the result if you buy a high end equipment, but on the practical aspects around it. No slides to watch or to project, hassle to burn CDs and classified them properly if you want to find quickly the picture you are looking for.
  Would you be reading a book on your screen ? probably not, nobody does that because it is not user friendly. It is exactly the same for your pictures. Digital is somewhere immaterial, there is no real hard support.
  Technology goes so fast that your equipment will be obsolete next year and you will feel having thrown money into the drain.
  Then if you read this forum since last week there were long exchanges on storage, think about it carefully, to me it is a big issue.
  So you have two ways to go, either the above aren't problems then you go for prime equipment and burst you bank account, or you are not so sure and want to give a try then you buy a cheap set keeping in mind that you can obtain much better result with high end stuff.

  Cheers
  Michel

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Steve,

>My question really revolved around trying digital capture rather 
>than film.  However, I think that you both provided enough 
>information about cameras and the G2 to get me going.

I have a G3 (4mp like the G2) and while it makes excellent pics, the
4mp is not enough resolution for anything over 5x7.  At 7x9
stair-stepping begins to be visible on diagonal lines and the image
has a "digital look".  Last spring I graduated to an 8mp Canon Pro-1
(has an extremely sharp L-class 28-200 zoom) and it's great.  A "film
look" to the pics and room to crop.  I recently printed an 11x14 from
an image that was cropped about 15% and it looked great - no
stair-stepping or pixellation and no "digital look".  

I once printed an 11x14 from a 6mp sample image downloaded from
dpreview and it was fine, but I doubt it would have stood the cropping
that the 8mp allows.  So I would say that 6mp is the minimum
acceptable resolution, and anything over that is even better. 
Obviously I'm spoiled by 8.

One thing that surprised (and pleased) me is that digital images
(assuming enough resolution) hold together for large prints much
better than film scans because of the lack of film grain.  I recently
printed a small section of a Pro-1 portrait at increasingly higher
magnification just to see what the outer limits are.  I got all the
way up to 22x30 before it began to fall apart.  At that point it was
printing at 108 dpi.  The 18x24 version, at 136 dpi, looked quite
good, and the 15x20 at 163 dpi was excellent.

One thing that takes getting used to is the BW digi pics don't
reproduce BW films' spectral responses.  So you probably won't have
the "look" you're used to.  You can approximate it in PS if you're
patient and clever, but it still isn't the same.  You just have to
accept it as if it's another kind of film.  I was a severe Tri-X
addict of many years and thought I never get over it, but I have
adjusted and am now getting very pleasing images - it has taken a long
time to get my PS skills up to an acceptable level (still learning). 
My main problem is not enough time, but I'm getting there.

In January I'm taking my first serious photo expedition with the
Pro-1, to Death Valley and the Nat'l Mojave Scenic area.  My landscape
"kit" has gone from 26 lbs (11 lb tripod and 15 lb bag with Pentax 67
outfit) to  7.5 lbs (3.5 lb bag with Pro-1 outfit and a 3.8 lb carbon
fiber tripod).  I'm not complaining <g>.

I hope this helps get some idea what to expect.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi Stephen,

Hope you don't mind my jumping in on this thread with a couple of 
comments...

First, everyone understand that I have no interest in starting a film vs 
digital war...again! But, Stephen, I suggest that you not toss out your film 
cameras, yet. I've been, primarily, an avid B&W large format photographer --  
mostly 8x10 and some 4x5 -- for about 20 years. I've been shooting digital 
for about 4.5 years starting with a Nikon Coolpix 950, progressing rapidly 
through the Canon D30 to my current Canon 10D. Try as I may, and I've tried 
and tried again over the years, I cannot create a B&W print from a digital 
camera that really sings for me. Most likely it's just me because Greg 
Gorman, Ron Harris, and others create beautiful B&W that originated from 
digital cameras. I believe both use the Canon 1Ds. Maybe, my 10D is the 
limiting factor; not enough pixels. Maybe it's just that I've been looking 
at large format work for too many years...I don't know.

To be honest, I really don't think it's a film/digital thing. I have not 
been satisfied with scans from my medium format B&W work, either. But, I 
don't have a first-rate medium format scanner or, drool...drool, an Imacon 
so that my be the weak link in this chain. I can tell you this...just 
yesterday I framed an 11x14 B&W image printed with IP 6.0 onto Moab Entrada 
Natural which was scanned from an 8x10 Tri-X neg, and, IMHO, it's absolutely 
BEAUTIFUL. As a matter of fact, it's really the first print I've produced in 
4 years of playing around in the digital lightroom that I'd be proud to hang 
with ANY silver print. IMO it's better than any silver print that I was ever 
able to pull off in the analog darkroom from this neg. I have several of my 
digital B&W prints hanging in gallery style in my living room and I was 
astonished to see how far my digital B&W printing has come over the years. I 
called my wife over to see and she commented that she noticed the difference 
from across the room. Damn, makes me want to go back and re-do the others, 
now! <g>

My suggesstion would be to play around with digital B&W with whatever 
digital camera you currently own. Hang on to the "old" stuff. You may be 
back! As for me, I'm seriously considering breaking out the old 8x10, buying 
some Tri-X and hitting the countryside to see what new images await me.

Have fun! I'd be interested in hearing your comments regarding B&W from 
digital once you get going with it.

Regards,
Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)




Thanks Ken and Paul,

I have been printing using MIS inks for a number of years and now use
a 1280 with the UT2 inkset and am pleased with the results.  However,
to this point I have been scanning film.  My question really revolved
around trying digital capture rather than film.  However, I think
that you both provided enought information about cameras and the G2
to get me going.

Steve

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your comments.  No risk of tossing my film cameras anytime 
soon.  I am perverse enough to enjoy lugging a Contarex Bullseye 
around with a couple of lenses!  Furthermore, scanning and PS really 
bring some of the older glass back into its own, given all of the 
control you have over contrast.  However, I do want to start 
experimenting with digital cameras and just want to make sure that 
any screw ups are my fault and not a function of inadequate equipment.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "A. Huntley" 
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Hope you don't mind my jumping in on this thread with a couple of 
> comments...
> 
> First, everyone understand that I have no interest in starting a 
film vs 
> digital war...again! But, Stephen, I suggest that you not toss out 
your film 
> cameras, yet. I've been, primarily, an avid B&W large format 
photographer --  
> mostly 8x10 and some 4x5 -- for about 20 years. I've been shooting 
digital 
> for about 4.5 years starting with a Nikon Coolpix 950, progressing 
rapidly 
> through the Canon D30 to my current Canon 10D. Try as I may, and 
I've tried 
> and tried again over the years, I cannot create a B&W print from a 
digital 
> camera that really sings for me. Most likely it's just me because 
Greg 
> Gorman, Ron Harris, and others create beautiful B&W that originated 
from 
> digital cameras. I believe both use the Canon 1Ds. Maybe, my 10D is 
the 
> limiting factor; not enough pixels. Maybe it's just that I've been 
looking 
> at large format work for too many years...I don't know.
> 
> To be honest, I really don't think it's a film/digital thing. I 
have not 
> been satisfied with scans from my medium format B&W work, either. 
But, I 
> don't have a first-rate medium format scanner or, drool...drool, an 
Imacon 
> so that my be the weak link in this chain. I can tell you 
this...just 
> yesterday I framed an 11x14 B&W image printed with IP 6.0 onto Moab 
Entrada 
> Natural which was scanned from an 8x10 Tri-X neg, and, IMHO, it's 
absolutely 
> BEAUTIFUL. As a matter of fact, it's really the first print I've 
produced in 
> 4 years of playing around in the digital lightroom that I'd be 
proud to hang 
> with ANY silver print. IMO it's better than any silver print that I 
was ever 
> able to pull off in the analog darkroom from this neg. I have 
several of my 
> digital B&W prints hanging in gallery style in my living room and I 
was 
> astonished to see how far my digital B&W printing has come over the 
years. I 
> called my wife over to see and she commented that she noticed the 
difference 
> from across the room. Damn, makes me want to go back and re-do the 
others, 
> now! <g>
> 
> My suggesstion would be to play around with digital B&W with 
whatever 
> digital camera you currently own. Hang on to the "old" stuff. You 
may be 
> back! As for me, I'm seriously considering breaking out the old 
8x10, buying 
> some Tri-X and hitting the countryside to see what new images await 
me.
> 
> Have fun! I'd be interested in hearing your comments regarding B&W 
from 
> digital once you get going with it.
> 
> Regards,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@w...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Ken and Paul,
> 
> I have been printing using MIS inks for a number of years and now 
use
> a 1280 with the UT2 inkset and am pleased with the results.  
However,
> to this point I have been scanning film.  My question really 
revolved

> around trying digital capture rather than film.  However, I think
> that you both provided enought information about cameras and the G2
> to get me going.
> 
> Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"A. Huntley" 
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> yesterday I framed an 11x14 B&W image printed with
IP 6.0 onto Moab 
Entrada 
> Natural which was scanned from an 8x10 Tri-X neg,
and, IMHO, it's 
absolutely 
> BEAUTIFUL. As a matter of fact, it's really the
first print I've 
produced in 
> 4 years of playing around in the digital lightroom
that I'd be 
proud to hang 
> with ANY silver print. IMO it's better than any
silver print that I 
was ever 
> able to pull off in the analog darkroom from this
neg. 

Alan,

What printer did you use?  Scanner?  Just curious, as
I'm about to embark on outputting some of my 4x5 Tri-X
digitally . . . (which is why I'm in this group, of
course ;-))

Matt

=====
E-mail: wensing@...
Blog: <http://seaofglass.blogspot.com>
Photography: <http://www.wensing-photo.com>

Hi Matt,

I scan my large format negs with an Epson Expression 1680 and Silverfast Ai6. Though, for B&W scanning, I tend to use Vuescan more than the Silverfast driver.

For printing, an Epson 2200 with standard UC inks and IP 6.0.

If I were embarking on large format scanning, today, and didn't need anything beyond 4x5 I'd take a serious look at the Epson 4870. The higher recording density really isn't needed for 4x5, but I've read pretty good things about this scanner.

Hope this helps.

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: Matthew Wensing <wensing@...>
> Date: 2004/11/30 Tue AM 09:21:44 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)
> 
> Alan,
> 
> What printer did you use?  Scanner?  Just curious, as
> I'm about to embark on outputting some of my 4x5 Tri-X
> digitally . . . (which is why I'm in this group, of
> course ;-))
> 
> Matt

Has anyone managed to get the current (win) versions of QTR+ the GUI to cut
from rolls it is printing on with the 2200?

Wondering what I'm missing

tim

Hi,

I scan my 4x5 with the Eps4870 and print 17x22 details sharp on Eps4000. Lovely combination.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alan.Huntley@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)


  Hi Matt,

  I scan my large format negs with an Epson Expression 1680 and Silverfast Ai6. Though, for B&W scanning, I tend to use Vuescan more than the Silverfast driver.

  For printing, an Epson 2200 with standard UC inks and IP 6.0.

  If I were embarking on large format scanning, today, and didn't need anything beyond 4x5 I'd take a serious look at the Epson 4870. The higher recording density really isn't needed for 4x5, but I've read pretty good things about this scanner.

  Hope this helps.

  Alan Huntley

  > 
  > From: Matthew Wensing <wensing@...>
  > Date: 2004/11/30 Tue AM 09:21:44 EST
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ditigal cameras for B&W (OT)
  > 
  > Alan,
  > 
  > What printer did you use?  Scanner?  Just curious, as
  > I'm about to embark on outputting some of my 4x5 Tri-X
  > digitally . . . (which is why I'm in this group, of
  > course ;-))
  > 
  > Matt



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You need QTR version 2.1, coming soon to a theater near you....

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] QTR + GUI rolls
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone managed to get the current (win) versions of QTR+ 
> the GUI to cut from rolls it is printing on with the 2200?
> 
> Wondering what I'm missing
> 
> tim
> 
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HI Stephen;

I've been trying to get dither-banding free prints out QTR/GUI for a 
while now; the best results though not perfect, have been with 
1440x720 FOL Unidirectional. I'd like to try the higher dpi, 
1440x2880 but eithr QTR or the Gui crashes every time. I also get an 
error message on launch that reads: "Dropped images must be in tiff 
format. DEBUG is not a tiff format"

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:

> You need QTR version 2.1, coming soon to a theater near you....
> 
> -Stephen
>  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@t...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:27 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] QTR + GUI rolls
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone managed to get the current (win) versions of QTR+ 
> > the GUI to cut from rolls it is printing on with the 2200?
> > 
> > Wondering what I'm missing
> > 
> > tim
> > 
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The second problem is that you have an old shortcut for QTRgui. If you edit
the shortcut and take out the "/debug" text, you won't get that error. Or
better still, delete the shortcut and create a new one.

As for the first problem, I think that full support of the various printing
modes requires QTR version 2.1. QTRgui should not crash, though. What error
does it give?

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Karafyllakis [mailto:steve@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:02 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR + GUI rolls
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HI Stephen;
> 
> I've been trying to get dither-banding free prints out QTR/GUI for a 
> while now; the best results though not perfect, have been with 
> 1440x720 FOL Unidirectional. I'd like to try the higher dpi, 
> 1440x2880 but eithr QTR or the Gui crashes every time. I also get an 
> error message on launch that reads: "Dropped images must be in tiff 
> format. DEBUG is not a tiff format"
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
> Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:
> > You need QTR version 2.1, coming soon to a theater near you....
> > 
> > -Stephen
> >  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@t...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:27 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] QTR + GUI rolls
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Has anyone managed to get the current (win) versions of QTR+
> > > the GUI to cut from rolls it is printing on with the 2200?
> > > 
> > > Wondering what I'm missing
> > > 
> > > tim
> > > 
> > > 
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> As for the first problem, I think that full support of the
> various printing
> modes requires QTR version 2.1. QTRgui should not crash, though.
> What error
> does it give?

I get the same problem trying to print at 2880x1440 on the Epson 2200

It says "quadtoprinter.e.exe has generated errors and will be closed by
windows"

@color F0
SET PPD=Quad2200.ppd
"G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\imagetoraster.exe" 2>"G:\Program
Files\QuadToneRIP\QTRLOG1.TXT" QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM FilePrint 1 "
PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated Pagesize=SuperB
position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw stpImageType=Continuous
ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool
ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5 ripLimit=6" "Z:\Field Notes
Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif" | "G:\Program
Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\quadtoprinter.exe" 1>"\\TIM\Quad2200" 2>"G:\Program
Files\QuadToneRIP\QTRLOG2.TXT" QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM FilePrint 1 "
PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated Pagesize=SuperB
position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw stpImageType=Continuous
ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool
ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5 ripLimit=6"
Pause



INFO: G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\imagetoraster.exe QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM
FilePrint 1  PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated
Pagesize=SuperB position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw
stpImageType=Continuous ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered
ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5
ripLimit=6 Z:\Field Notes Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj
11x14SCurve1.tif
PPDFILE = G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\ppd\Quad2200.ppd
DEBUG: Page = 936x1368; 9,9 to 927,1359
DEBUG: Searching for profile "2880x1440sw/Coated"...
INFO: Loading image file...
DEBUG: ImageOpen("Z:\Field Notes Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj
11x14SCurve1.tif", 1, 1, 100, 0, 0012F884)
calling ReadTIFF
TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: wrong data type 1 for
"XMLPacket"; tag ignored.
TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: unknown field with tag
34665 (0x8769) encountered.
TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: unknown field with tag
37724 (0x935c) encountered.
DEBUG: TIFF resolution = 360.000000x360.000000, units=2
DEBUG: Stored resolution = 360x360 PPI
DEBUG: orientation = top-left
DEBUG: photometric = 1
DEBUG: compression = 5
DEBUG: Creating tile array (20x16)
DEBUG: xpages = 1, ypages = 1
DEBUG: PageSize = [936 1368]
DEBUG: cupsWidth = 36720
DEBUG: cupsHeight = 27000
DEBUG: cupsBitsPerColor = 8
DEBUG: cupsBitsPerPixel = 8
DEBUG: cupsBytesPerLine = 36720
DEBUG: cupsColorOrder = 0
DEBUG: cupsColorSpace = 0
DEBUG: img->colorspace = 1
INFO: Formatting page 1...
top:  ht=27000, sz=20160, y=3420
ERROR: Unable to write raster data to driver!

I also get the same error as Tim when attempting 2880x1440. I'm on Windows
XP Pro, but have not installed service pack 2.

Steve Bye

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] QTR + GUI rolls




> As for the first problem, I think that full support of the
> various printing
> modes requires QTR version 2.1. QTRgui should not crash, though.
> What error
> does it give?

I get the same problem trying to print at 2880x1440 on the Epson 2200

It says "quadtoprinter.e.exe has generated errors and will be closed by
windows"

@color F0
SET PPD=Quad2200.ppd
"G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\imagetoraster.exe" 2>"G:\Program
Files\QuadToneRIP\QTRLOG1.TXT" QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM FilePrint 1 "
PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated Pagesize=SuperB
position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw stpImageType=Continuous
ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool
ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5 ripLimit=6" "Z:\Field Notes
Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif" | "G:\Program
Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\quadtoprinter.exe" 1>"\\TIM\Quad2200" 2>"G:\Program
Files\QuadToneRIP\QTRLOG2.TXT" QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM FilePrint 1 "
PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated Pagesize=SuperB
position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw stpImageType=Continuous
ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool
ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5 ripLimit=6"
Pause



INFO: G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\imagetoraster.exe QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM
FilePrint 1  PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated
Pagesize=SuperB position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw
stpImageType=Continuous ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered
ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5
ripLimit=6 Z:\Field Notes Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj
11x14SCurve1.tif
PPDFILE = G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\ppd\Quad2200.ppd
DEBUG: Page = 936x1368; 9,9 to 927,1359
DEBUG: Searching for profile "2880x1440sw/Coated"...
INFO: Loading image file...
DEBUG: ImageOpen("Z:\Field Notes Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj
11x14SCurve1.tif", 1, 1, 100, 0, 0012F884)
calling ReadTIFF
TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: wrong data type 1 for
"XMLPacket"; tag ignored.
TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: unknown field with tag
34665 (0x8769) encountered.
TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: unknown field with tag
37724 (0x935c) encountered.
DEBUG: TIFF resolution = 360.000000x360.000000, units=2
DEBUG: Stored resolution = 360x360 PPI
DEBUG: orientation = top-left
DEBUG: photometric = 1
DEBUG: compression = 5
DEBUG: Creating tile array (20x16)
DEBUG: xpages = 1, ypages = 1
DEBUG: PageSize = [936 1368]
DEBUG: cupsWidth = 36720
DEBUG: cupsHeight = 27000
DEBUG: cupsBitsPerColor = 8
DEBUG: cupsBitsPerPixel = 8
DEBUG: cupsBytesPerLine = 36720
DEBUG: cupsColorOrder = 0
DEBUG: cupsColorSpace = 0
DEBUG: img->colorspace = 1
INFO: Formatting page 1...
top:  ht=27000, sz=20160, y=3420
ERROR: Unable to write raster data to driver!




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YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.

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2880 dpi on the 2200 is not operational with QTR.  The profiles aren't
made for that resolution, so there's not much to be gained anyway.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_bye" 
<steve_bye@c...> wrote:
> I also get the same error as Tim when attempting 2880x1440. I'm on Windows
> XP Pro, but have not installed service pack 2.
> 
> Steve Bye
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@t...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] QTR + GUI rolls
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > As for the first problem, I think that full support of the
> > various printing
> > modes requires QTR version 2.1. QTRgui should not crash, though.
> > What error
> > does it give?
> 
> I get the same problem trying to print at 2880x1440 on the Epson 2200
> 
> It says "quadtoprinter.e.exe has generated errors and will be closed by
> windows"
> 
> @color F0
> SET PPD=Quad2200.ppd
> "G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\imagetoraster.exe" 2>"G:\Program
> Files\QuadToneRIP\QTRLOG1.TXT" QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM FilePrint 1 "
> PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated Pagesize=SuperB
> position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw 
stpImageType=Continuous
> ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool
> ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5 ripLimit=6" "Z:\Field Notes
> Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif" | "G:\Program
> Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\quadtoprinter.exe" 1>"\\TIM\Quad2200" 2>"G:\Program
> Files\QuadToneRIP\QTRLOG2.TXT" QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM FilePrint 1 "
> PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated Pagesize=SuperB
> position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw 
stpImageType=Continuous
> ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool
> ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5 ripLimit=6"
> Pause
> 
> 
> 
> INFO: G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin\imagetoraster.exe QTRgui_0.3.45 TIM
> FilePrint 1  PPD=Quad2200.ppd PRINTER=Quad2200 MediaType=Coated
> Pagesize=SuperB position=center landscape=yes Resolution=2880x1440sw
> stpImageType=Continuous ColorModel=QTRIP stpDither=Ordered
> ripCurve1=PFA_2200-cool ripCurve2=PFA_2200-warm ripBlend=35 ripGamma=5
> ripLimit=6 Z:\Field Notes Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj
> 11x14SCurve1.tif
> PPDFILE = G:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\ppd\Quad2200.ppd
> DEBUG: Page = 936x1368; 9,9 to 927,1359
> DEBUG: Searching for profile "2880x1440sw/Coated"...
> INFO: Loading image file...
> DEBUG: ImageOpen("Z:\Field Notes Prince Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj
> 11x14SCurve1.tif", 1, 1, 100, 0, 0012F884)
> calling ReadTIFF
> TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
> Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: wrong data type 1 for
> "XMLPacket"; tag ignored.
> TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
> Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: unknown field with tag
> 34665 (0x8769) encountered.
> TIFFReadDirectory: Warning, Z:\Field Notes Prince
> Albert\11x14\PrinceAlbert12 adj 11x14SCurve1.tif: unknown field with tag
> 37724 (0x935c) encountered.
> DEBUG: TIFF resolution = 360.000000x360.000000, units=2
> DEBUG: Stored resolution = 360x360 PPI
> DEBUG: orientation = top-left
> DEBUG: photometric = 1
> DEBUG: compression = 5
> DEBUG: Creating tile array (20x16)
> DEBUG: xpages = 1, ypages = 1
> DEBUG: PageSize = [936 1368]
> DEBUG: cupsWidth = 36720
> DEBUG: cupsHeight = 27000
> DEBUG: cupsBitsPerColor = 8
> DEBUG: cupsBitsPerPixel = 8
> DEBUG: cupsBytesPerLine = 36720
> DEBUG: cupsColorOrder = 0
> DEBUG: cupsColorSpace = 0
> DEBUG: img->colorspace = 1
> INFO: Formatting page 1...
> top:  ht=27000, sz=20160, y=3420
> ERROR: Unable to write raster data to driver!
> 
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> 2880 dpi on the 2200 is not operational with QTR.  The profiles aren't
> made for that resolution, so there's not much to be gained anyway.

Well that would explain it... :-)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:
> The second problem is that you have an old shortcut for QTRgui. If 
you edit
> the shortcut and take out the "/debug" text, you won't get that 
error. Or
> better still, delete the shortcut and create a new one.
> 
> As for the first problem, I think that full support of the various 
printing
> modes requires QTR version 2.1. QTRgui should not crash, though. 
What error
> does it give?
> 
> -Stephen
>  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> 
 
OK, making a new new shortcut took care of the one problem, & I see 
by these other posts I shouldn't be expecting it to work at 2880. 
I've noticed that with the matte K ink the Epson driver doesn't give 
that option either, on available paper. I guess I'm hoping for a way 
around that for various reasons...

Thanks for the help,

Steve Karafyllakis

http://www.stevekphoto.com