Digital BW, The Print

Hi All,

There seems to be lot's of problems and some pretty novel solutions 
showing up with attempts to get QTR/GUI running ;>)

Thought I'd mention a couple of things here that may be of 
assistance, though they may not be exactly the "solutions" you want 
to hear. That being said...

1. As an old hand at working through some of these same kinds of 
issues, I'd like to pass on a really simple but fundamental tip that 
I learned the very hard way (meaning, I no longer have any hair left 
to pull out ;>)). That is: when all else fails, start with a 
clean, "plain vanilla" system.

2. What does that mean? Well, when you do a lot of print production 
work and you haven't been through all these "trials by fire" and 
learned how to sort out these kinds of problems, you're best off 
working with a system that is pretty much dedicated to post-
processing and printing. i.e., clean OS install (your choice), bare 
minimum of other applications installed (photoshop, imaging tools and 
your printer RIP/drivers, etc.). The less the better!

3. Why? Well, when we have a machine we've been using for quite a 
while that's full of all kinds of software and applications that have 
been installing their "stuff" all over your system, you're working in 
an unknown environment. It's like trying to get anywhere (you pick 
the destination) when you don't know where you are -- even when us 
guys break down and ask for directions, nobody can help very easily 
because we don't know where we are to begin with ;>)

4. "But the computer was working fine..." you say? Yes, probably. But 
Roy Harrington and Steve Billard have put incredible amounts of work 
into making a really nice RIP/GUI combination available more out of 
dedication to the art than anything else. They're talented and 
generous to a fault, you might say -- but they really have no way of 
predicting and building their system for an infinite number of 
computing environments full of unknown variables. If neither one of 
them can give you an easy fix for your dilemma, then it's time for 
a "plan B" approach

5. "What -- go out and buy another computer?" No, not necessarily, 
though not a bad idea. Hardware is cheap -- time and the cost of 
stress isn't. However, there are some simple, no cost approaches like 
installing another "clean" OS instance on another partition of your 
drive. It's really cheap (free except for your time), and gives you 
an uncluttered clean slate to work with and then you shouldn't have 
any issues installing either application that can't be easily resolved

6. Don't know how to do a "dual-boot" installation or alternately, 
have another older system hanging around you can use to start 
from "bare metal"? Hmmmm. Well, then I might suggest for your own 
sanity as we race toward the Holiday season when everyone get's a 
little crazy anyway, that this might not be the best time to tackle 
these problems

Or, for less than a hundred bucks, you can get a nice little C84 
printer and a set of MIS "EZ" UT2 "quadtone" carts developed by 
another esteemed member of this group, Paul Roark -- and print your 
Holiday cards, family pics or whatever without so much as a fuss or a 
RIP (Thanks, Paul!). You'd better hurry, though -- if you go that 
route, MIS is going to shut down and stop shipping on Tuesday, 12/21

7. Personally, I've installed Roy's QTR on a half-dozen different 
machines and used it without the GUI. Win2K, WinXP, Epson 2200's,  
9600, and a couple of other odd machines running Piezotones. All 
without a hitch. I guess I was lucky. When Steve brought out his work 
of love we all call the "GUI" to make the process easier for us, it 
also worked like a charm. An occassional glitch in the earlier 
releases, but Steve has been incredibly responsive in churning out 
revisions of the GUI to keep up with Roy and the various problems 
people have had in different computing environments

8. Just so that we're all being really fair, problems like the ones 
you're experiencing can happen with ImagePrint, StudioPrint, PiezoBW 
or any other of the numerous systems we've been fortunate enough to 
have made available to us to further our art -- these kind of "head-
scratchers" aren't the exclusive domain of QTR/GUI -- but since Roy 
has made his QTR code available as very modestly priced "shareware" 
and Steve has made the GUI available for the same or less <grin>, 
there are a lot of people trying to make it work on all kinds of 
systems and software environments and uncovering some really 
facinating anomolies ;>)

9. So, if all else fails and you don't want to bother setting up a 
clean computing environment without all the variables or try some EZ 
UT2 inks, or... I'm sure there are a dozen other similar solutions -- 
well, there's always Costco. You can have them (or your local 1 hour 
lab) print out "dead neutral" B&W cards for less than a buck a piece, 
while you wait out the hour or so enjoying a nice "cool one" at the 
corner pub ;>)

10. I guess the bottom line from what I'm reading is that unless you 
really understand your systems and the QTR/GUI software you're 
working with, it's best to start in a clean, uncluttered and known 
environment (i.e., know exactly where you are so Steve and Roy or 
some other kind forum member can have the benefit of helping you get 
to where you're going without guessing where you're starting from)

Most of all, 'tis the Season to be Jolly -- so I hope I haven't 
ticked anyone off with these suggestions. I certainly don't mean to 
offend a single person here, but if you're having a lot of strange 
problems than there's no better panacea than starting fresh at a time 
when you don't feel pressured. ImagePrint might solve your problem, 
but then, you might end up throwing more money at something that 
doesn't. And this is supposed to be fun, yes? ;>)

OK, so that's my admittedly unsolicited ten cents worth and I 
sincerely hope that it will help some of you to have a Happy Holiday 
Season and perhaps provide a starting point for you to master QTR or 
whatever system you end up adopting by working at a time when you're 
not pressured, from a fresh, uncluttered computing environment, and 
save you some of this intense and perhaps unnecessary frustration.

Cheers and a Happy Holiday Season to all!

Richard

P.S. Just helped my son deliver several hundred cards, some color, 
some quadtone, to his customers -- but neither of us would have 
thought twice about outsourcing the task if we ran into a glitch. 
Fortunately, we've been through the evolution of the "light-room" 
from the early days, currently run a wide variety of printers using 
different RIPs and inksets, and have learned by experience, sometimes 
very painful experience -- that the advice I'm offering is a "pill" 
I've had to learn to swallow myself more than once...

richard_h95050 wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> There seems to be lot's of problems and some pretty novel solutions 
> showing up with attempts to get QTR/GUI running ;>)
> 
> Thought I'd mention a couple of things here that may be of 
> assistance, though they may not be exactly the "solutions" you want 
> to hear. That being said...
> 
> 1. As an old hand at working through some of these same kinds of 
> issues, I'd like to pass on a really simple but fundamental tip that 
> I learned the very hard way (meaning, I no longer have any hair left 
> to pull out ;>)). That is: when all else fails, start with a 
> clean, "plain vanilla" system.

You can often clean up an older system, using some interesting tricks.

Before doing ANY of these things, do a full backup of your computers 
hard drive, never do anything to a working computer where you can't get 
easily back to where you started.

First problem .DLL files, do a search on your system, look for 
duplicates that live in seperate directories, look at the properties on 
each, and if they are duplicates of the same file, pick the newest one, 
and RENAME the rest, for example if we have XYZ123.DLL in windows syatem 
and in \Program Files\applicationx which is an older version, then 
rename it to XYZ123_dll.dup.  The problem is that Windows doesn't look 
at the version number, so if it loads XYZ123.DLL Version 1.0 and then 
has a request to load the DLL again, by a program that needs V3.4, it 
simply lets the second program crash and burn.

Not all operating systems are like this, Linux (and most unixes) for 
example has a tradition for naming DLLs (which it calls shared 
libraries, and end in .so) XYZ123-1.0.so and XYZ123-3.4.so can live 
happy together on the same machine, and get loaded separately.


> 
> 2. What does that mean? Well, when you do a lot of print production 
> work and you haven't been through all these "trials by fire" and 
> learned how to sort out these kinds of problems, you're best off 
> working with a system that is pretty much dedicated to post-
> processing and printing. i.e., clean OS install (your choice), bare 
> minimum of other applications installed (photoshop, imaging tools and 
> your printer RIP/drivers, etc.). The less the better!

Not only for print production, but any purpose, a windows installation 
has a life span of about 2 years, meaning every 2 years you should 
backup all your important files, blow everything away and reinstall from 
bare metal.  What gets really irritating are software upgrades that 
require the old software be installed already.  Then you have to install 
V2.0 to get your 3.0 upgrade to work, which means your clean install is 
already undone.

> 
> 3. Why? Well, when we have a machine we've been using for quite a 
> while that's full of all kinds of software and applications that have 
> been installing their "stuff" all over your system, you're working in 
> an unknown environment. It's like trying to get anywhere (you pick 
> the destination) when you don't know where you are -- even when us 
> guys break down and ask for directions, nobody can help very easily 
> because we don't know where we are to begin with ;>)
> 

There is no such thing as a generic Windows installation, many programs 
add lot of crap to the system, they may up or down grade important 
system files, whats sad about Windows software installs, is that it's up 
to the installer to know what to do, professional installers like 
Installshield and Wiseinstall will know what to do automagically, hand 
built installers often do not.  It's possible for a program to install 
XYZ123.DLL Version 1.0 over V3.4 which is needed for something else.

One solution, if you have a spare computer (that PII-200 with 32MB of 
RAM and the 2.0GB hard disk, that's ready for the garbage, will do 
nicely here).  Can be reinstalled from bare metal, simply as a print 
server.  Linux can be a solution for a lot of problems here, in that it 
can run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse) just with the RIP 
engine and the printer attached, running networking and samba so that 
your Windows PC can use it.

Hmmmmm, wonder how many people would be interested in a Linux 
distribution, that operated as just a print server????

W

I don't have any problem setting up QTR on my machine, but it's my
machine and I (think at least) know networking and windows sharing
very well..

It's not as simple as it sounds.. With Windows XP, Microsoft changed a
hell lot of default security and sharing parameters in Windows. And
there may be just a check-box difference for systems that works and
doesn't. The basic problem is the default file sharing. Prior to
Windows XP, all you need to share a printer, folder, etc is either
right-click on the folder and hit sharing; or issue the command "net
share sharename=..." in command prompt. In Windows XP, there are a few
more things to click before that will work (and I couldn't even
remember what they are now), and QTR relies on that. 

Michael

> 1. As an old hand at working through some of these same kinds of 
> issues, I'd like to pass on a really simple but fundamental tip that 
> I learned the very hard way (meaning, I no longer have any hair left 
> to pull out ;>)). That is: when all else fails, start with a 
> clean, "plain vanilla" system.

I'll betray my ignorance here, but what the heck. I've been reading recent 
messages about print servers and am intrigued. I'm thinking about getting a 
7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how I'll set it up.

I'm on Win XP and have my 2200 direct connected to the PC via USB. It's 
printing color through the Epson driver and BW using QTR / QTRgui. The 
biggest problem I believe I'll have setting up the larger printer is space. 
I will have to place the printer outside my office in an adjacent work room 
and I may have to exceed acceptable USB cable length to get connected. It's 
also an intriguing idea to get the print-driving software running on 
another machine while I continue to work in Photoshop on subsequent images.

It seems that with QTRgui's watched folder capability I could send a file 
to a networked machine in the work room serving the printers and QTR would 
take over and print. Have I got that right? Is there some way to do the 
same when printing color through the Epson driver?

Michael

At 09:58 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:

>One solution, if you have a spare computer (that PII-200 with 32MB of
>RAM and the 2.0GB hard disk, that's ready for the garbage, will do
>nicely here).  Can be reinstalled from bare metal, simply as a print
>server.  Linux can be a solution for a lot of problems here, in that it
>can run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse) just with the RIP
>engine and the printer attached, running networking and samba so that
>your Windows PC can use it.

Michael,

 

I have a 9600 running in an adjacent room from my WinXP PC.  Just get a
Linksys (or other brand) router and set up a little Local Area Network
(LAN).  The router is connected to the computer via an Ethernet connection,
and then the printer is wired to the router.  You assign an address for the
printer and set the computer to that port.  I also have two other printers
running through the router, one a parallel port and one a USB.  'Works
slick.

 

Ed Mertz 

 

I'm thinking about getting a 
7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how I'll set it
up.
the Epson driver?

Michael






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Ed,

So the 9600 connects directly to the router, yes? That makes sense to me. 
But I guess I don't quite get how the parallel and USB printers are 
connected. And the print drivers are still running from your image editing 
machine, yes?

I've got a D-link wireless router and a small (wired/wireless) LAN now. I 
was hoping to send files to a box in the other room and have it take over 
printing functions from there. But if that's impossible, sending print jobs 
via ethernet will still get me up and running.

Michael


At 02:01 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:


>Michael,
>
>
>
>I have a 9600 running in an adjacent room from my WinXP PC.  Just get a
>Linksys (or other brand) router and set up a little Local Area Network
>(LAN).  The router is connected to the computer via an Ethernet connection,
>and then the printer is wired to the router.  You assign an address for the
>printer and set the computer to that port.  I also have two other printers
>running through the router, one a parallel port and one a USB.  'Works
>slick.
>
>
>
>Ed Mertz
>
>
>
>I'm thinking about getting a
>7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how I'll set it
>up.
>the Epson driver?
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Michael,

 

Yes, the 9600 connects directly to the router via a Cat5 Etherlink cable.
You'll need the Etherlink card for the 9600.  Yes, the print servers are
still running from the image editing PC but the spoolers take over and you
can go back to editing while it's printing, albeit a bit slower at times
since you're sharing the computer.  You could set up a separate PC just to
be a print server, but unless you're in a high volume situation I don't
think it will be worth the extra expense and complexity.    

 

The other printers are connected to the router via a Hawking (brand name)
Print Server, a little box that plugs into the printer USB or parallel
connector and is then connected to the router via another Cat5 Etherlink
cable.  You have to specify what type of connection (USB or Parallel) you
want when buying the print servers, because most of them are single-duty.  

 

You may be able to use your wireless equipment, but I like hard wired things
- fewer problems.

 

Ed

 

  _____  

From: Michael Poster [mailto:mposter@...] 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:17 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...

 

Ed,

So the 9600 connects directly to the router, yes? That makes sense to me. 
But I guess I don't quite get how the parallel and USB printers are 
connected. And the print drivers are still running from your image editing 
machine, yes?

I've got a D-link wireless router and a small (wired/wireless) LAN now. I 
was hoping to send files to a box in the other room and have it take over 
printing functions from there. But if that's impossible, sending print jobs 
via ethernet will still get me up and running.

Michael







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Hi All,

I think we're all coming at this in a similar manner, and I didin't 
mean to imply that there was really any "simple" approach by using 
a "clean machine" -- just that some of the anomolies of the operating 
systems, how various programs treat your computer's integrity when 
they install and the inherent complexity of the technology itself -- 
all these things confront us, confound us and compound our challenges 
of setting up each new system...

As "The Wogster" pointed out, some programs enter your "house of 
computing" like a polite guest -- they're well mannered, behave 
nicely and respect your environment. Others are just the opposite -- 
they throw their "stuff" (dll's and other bits and pieces) all over 
the place, and change your "house" to suit their stay. Pretty rude 
indeed, and sometimes it's not even so obvious until we install 
another nice program like QTR that needs to share the same resources 
and we find out they left muddy footprints all over the carpet ;>)

Anyway, that was my basic point for suggesting the cleaner the 
machine, the easier it is to sort out some of these problems. Lots of 
people that depend on these wonderful computing machines for their 
livelihood as imagemakers wouldn't think of putting Microsoft Office 
on the same box that did all their post-processing and printing. Not 
to pick on ole' Bill Gates, or anything -- but it's a good example 
because since MS also builds Windows for us I think they feel 
entitled to muck around with it quite freely. But again, just an 
example -- some do it because they can, and some because they don't 
know any better ;>)

In the "darkroom", I got to be pretty friendly with Decktol and the 
few other chemicals that I used because they made all the difference 
between getting the results I wanted or an evening of frustration 
under the safelight. I think the same approach needs to be taken 
here: chemistry seemed a lot simpler than computers, but a bit of 
pollution with either one and you're in a world of hurt ;>)

Having worked my career in the Silicon Valley, I've felt pretty 
comfortable with the transition to the tools of our new "light-room" 
environment (Roy and I must have brushed shoulders a few times back 
then, but never really met -- just knew a lot of the same folks ;>))

So it's from that perspective that I offered the suggestion that we 
make it as easy on ourselves as we can, because there are lots of 
complexities involved. Just like with darkroom chemistry, sometimes 
you get the best results with light-room printing equipment when you 
can keep it simple and control the exact (or not) "mixture" of what's 
on your machine as much as possible. Makes it easier for other people 
to help us through problems, and once everything is working smoothly 
we can relax a bit more.

Still, I'm not writing this post on my main editing machine. I've 
grown up with computers since the days of CPM and TRS-80's, but the 
only thing on my editing room machine is what I need for editing. 
Yep, it's networked for ease of running print servers (wireless and 
not), moving stuff onto my raid-based "SAN" for safekeeping and 
burning, etc. But I keep it really clean otherwise. (What's that old 
joke? Clean mind, Clean body. Take your pick.)? Oh, well... 

Bottom line is there are some elegantly simple ways of entering 
into this incredibly rich world of new tools we have with our sanity 
relatively intact -- like the post right after my earlier one from 
the person who just discoverd the joys of the C86 and Paul's "EZ" UT 
inkset, augmented by Paul's informative response. Those wonderful 
tools can get you printing georgous "quad-tones" on a pretty polluted 
machine, just as long as the machine can still see the printer and 
send out a file. 

Of course, Paul has gone way beyond that with the vast array of 
inks, curves and techniques he's developed for us -- but the basic 
approach (with it's own set of nuances), can be less "computer 
dependent" than a RIP based system. (Note the operative term there 
is "can be..." since printer tempermant still plays a key role in any 
system ;>))

In the end (and the beginning) I was only trying to support some 
folks in what sounded like mounting frustration with their Holiday 
printing projects -- but do believe that what I offer is sound advice 
about simplicity learned from that wonderful institution called "the 
school of hard knocks" ;>)

So, I'll bow out here and just say Happy Holidays to all -- but not 
without borrowing and botching up a great term from a real pioneer in 
Piezography, Jon Cone: "may your highlights be dotless" and your 
computers free of frustrating bugs!

Enjoy! This is a wonderful forum and a wealth of knowledge to all of 
us as we move forward in this great new artform together...

Cheers!
Richard


 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hung" 
<mhkhung@y...> wrote:
> 
> I don't have any problem setting up QTR on my machine, but it's my
> machine and I (think at least) know networking and windows sharing
> very well..
> 
> It's not as simple as it sounds.. With Windows XP, Microsoft 
changed a
> hell lot of default security and sharing parameters in Windows. And
> there may be just a check-box difference for systems that works and
> doesn't. The basic problem is the default file sharing. Prior to
> Windows XP, all you need to share a printer, folder, etc is either
> right-click on the folder and hit sharing; or issue the command "net
> share sharename=..." in command prompt. In Windows XP, there are a 
few
> more things to click before that will work (and I couldn't even
> remember what they are now), and QTR relies on that. 
> 
> Michael
> 
> > 1. As an old hand at working through some of these same kinds of 
> > issues, I'd like to pass on a really simple but fundamental tip 
that 
> > I learned the very hard way (meaning, I no longer have any hair 
left 
> > to pull out ;>)). That is: when all else fails, start with a 
> > clean, "plain vanilla" system.

Thankd for the good info...!  But before I go through the hassle of 
setting up a print server, it would be great to get Steve Billard's 
feedback on doing this...? 

Also, real basic ?, how do I check the firewall setting is off in 
W2K...?  Or is there one...? 

Finally, can any windows developers out their think of any other   
settings that would stop QTR GUI from sending data to port for 
printing...? 

Thanks in advance! 
Steve B 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Poster 
<mposter@w...> wrote:
> I'll betray my ignorance here, but what the heck. I've been reading 
recent 
> messages about print servers and am intrigued. I'm thinking about 
getting a 
> 7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how I'll 
set it up.
> 
> I'm on Win XP and have my 2200 direct connected to the PC via USB. 
It's 
> printing color through the Epson driver and BW using QTR / QTRgui. 
The 
> biggest problem I believe I'll have setting up the larger printer 
is space. 
> I will have to place the printer outside my office in an adjacent 
work room 
> and I may have to exceed acceptable USB cable length to get 
connected. It's 
> also an intriguing idea to get the print-driving software running 
on 
> another machine while I continue to work in Photoshop on subsequent 
images.
> 
> It seems that with QTRgui's watched folder capability I could send 
a file 
> to a networked machine in the work room serving the printers and 
QTR would 
> take over and print. Have I got that right? Is there some way to do 
the 
> same when printing color through the Epson driver?
> 
> Michael
> 
> At 09:58 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
> >One solution, if you have a spare computer (that PII-200 with 32MB 
of
> >RAM and the 2.0GB hard disk, that's ready for the garbage, will do
> >nicely here).  Can be reinstalled from bare metal, simply as a 
print
> >server.  Linux can be a solution for a lot of problems here, in 
that it
> >can run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse) just with the RIP
> >engine and the printer attached, running networking and samba so 
that
> >your Windows PC can use it.

There's no Windows firewall in W2K. So unless you bought one, there
shouldn't be a firewall. (And you are really not safe if you just put
your machine on the internet). 

Anyway, if you know how to use command prompt (Start->Run->cmd), open
it and type "net share". See any shared directories and the QTR
printer there? Mine shows "Quad1270" pointing to USB0001. And other
directories such as "C$".

(C$ is special.. don't really need to worry about security implication)

Next, try type "dir \\127.0.0.1\C$" into command prompt. See if you
can see your root directory. If it works then QTR should work in theory.

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink"
<steveabrink@y...> wrote:

> 
> Thankd for the good info...!  But before I go through the hassle of 
> setting up a print server, it would be great to get Steve Billard's 
> feedback on doing this...? 
> 
> Also, real basic ?, how do I check the firewall setting is off in 
> W2K...?  Or is there one...? 
> 
> Finally, can any windows developers out their think of any other   
> settings that would stop QTR GUI from sending data to port for 
> printing...?

Steve,

Michael's got you pointed in the right direction here. You need to
break things down into simple pieces because the QTR/GUI isn't a real
complicated duo. Two things:

1. In case I missed it in an earlier part of your thread, have you
tried running QTR without the GUI? You're dealing with two programs
here and it would be good to isolate the problem -- Roy has pretty
clear directions on how to run QTR "raw"

2. When you run "net share" from the command prompt like Michael
suggests, do you also see both your printer and a line that reads
something like "print$ C:\WINNT\systema32\spool\drivers"?

Depending on whether that line is present and if you're spooling your
output or sending RAW data to the printer may play a part in your
problem -- Roy and/or Steve can fill you in more on how their
respective code deals with the Win2K print spooler.

If you can print from Photoshop (or any other app) to your printer and
you're not using a print server, the firewall is a non-issue as
Michael suggests. However, do you have any security software of any
sort running on your machine? Are you logged in as and have you
installed all the software in this loop (including your printer
drivers, QTR and GUI with Admin privileges or as the same user?

And again, in case I missed it, you are networked on the machine
you're printing from or have a loopback adapter installed, right? And
since you're using USB, you've checked for any port mismatches that
may have been introduced when you set up your printer share, yes?

Michael -- FYI I've got about 30+ feet between my 9600 and my editing
machine. It's a tad over "spec" but I am using a good heavy cable with
ferrite cores, so I haven't had a bit of trouble with the distance for
either my 9600 or 7000. Also, you can always drop a good powered hub
or repeater in the line if noise is an issue, go ethernet, or if your
network is wireless, the USB wireless adapters are getting very
inexpensive. Distance should be no problem for you...

Cheers!

Richard 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink"
<steveabrink@y...> wrote:
> 
> Thankd for the good info...!  But before I go through the hassle of 
> setting up a print server, it would be great to get Steve Billard's 
> feedback on doing this...? 
> 
> Also, real basic ?, how do I check the firewall setting is off in 
> W2K...?  Or is there one...? 
> 
> Finally, can any windows developers out their think of any other   
> settings that would stop QTR GUI from sending data to port for 
> printing...? 
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> Steve B 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Poster 
> <mposter@w...> wrote:
> > I'll betray my ignorance here, but what the heck. I've been
reading 
> recent 
> > messages about print servers and am intrigued. I'm thinking about 
> getting a 
> > 7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how
I'll 
> set it up.
> > 
> > I'm on Win XP and have my 2200 direct connected to the PC via
USB. 
> It's 
> > printing color through the Epson driver and BW using QTR /
QTRgui. 
> The 
> > biggest problem I believe I'll have setting up the larger printer 
> is space. 
> > I will have to place the printer outside my office in an adjacent 
> work room 
> > and I may have to exceed acceptable USB cable length to get 
> connected. It's 
> > also an intriguing idea to get the print-driving software running 
> on 
> > another machine while I continue to work in Photoshop on
subsequent 
> images.
> > 
> > It seems that with QTRgui's watched folder capability I could
send 
> a file 
> > to a networked machine in the work room serving the printers and 
> QTR would 
> > take over and print. Have I got that right? Is there some way to
do 
> the 
> > same when printing color through the Epson driver?
> > 
> > Michael
> > 
> > At 09:58 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
> > >One solution, if you have a spare computer (that PII-200 with
32MB 
> of
> > >RAM and the 2.0GB hard disk, that's ready for the garbage, will
do
> > >nicely here).  Can be reinstalled from bare metal, simply as a 
> print
> > >server.  Linux can be a solution for a lot of problems here, in 
> that it
> > >can run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse) just with the
RIP

> > >engine and the printer attached, running networking and samba so 
> that
> > >your Windows PC can use it.

If you just set up a print server you will necessarily have to set up a full
blown network. That alone may solve your problem, even without connecting
your printer to the print server. All the problems with printing that have
been resolved were either improperly set up networking or improperly shared
printers.

As to the firewall, go to the control panel. There you will find an icon for
the Windows Firewall. (At least if you are running XP SP2.)

Finally, just a minor point. QTRgui is just the front end to Roy's print
driver software--QuadToneRIP. It is doing all the real work here.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@...] 
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:53 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thankd for the good info...!  But before I go through the hassle of 
> setting up a print server, it would be great to get Steve Billard's 
> feedback on doing this...? 
> 
> Also, real basic ?, how do I check the firewall setting is off in 
> W2K...?  Or is there one...? 
> 
> Finally, can any windows developers out their think of any other   
> settings that would stop QTR GUI from sending data to port for 
> printing...? 
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> Steve B 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Poster 
> <mposter@w...> wrote:
> > I'll betray my ignorance here, but what the heck. I've been reading
> recent 
> > messages about print servers and am intrigued. I'm thinking about
> getting a 
> > 7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how I'll
> set it up.
> > 
> > I'm on Win XP and have my 2200 direct connected to the PC via USB.
> It's 
> > printing color through the Epson driver and BW using QTR / QTRgui.
> The 
> > biggest problem I believe I'll have setting up the larger printer
> is space. 
> > I will have to place the printer outside my office in an adjacent
> work room 
> > and I may have to exceed acceptable USB cable length to get
> connected. It's 
> > also an intriguing idea to get the print-driving software running
> on 
> > another machine while I continue to work in Photoshop on subsequent
> images.
> > 
> > It seems that with QTRgui's watched folder capability I could send
> a file 
> > to a networked machine in the work room serving the printers and
> QTR would 
> > take over and print. Have I got that right? Is there some way to do
> the 
> > same when printing color through the Epson driver?
> > 
> > Michael
> > 
> > At 09:58 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
> > >One solution, if you have a spare computer (that PII-200 with 32MB
> of
> > >RAM and the 2.0GB hard disk, that's ready for the garbage, will do 
> > >nicely here).  Can be reinstalled from bare metal, simply as a
> print
> > >server.  Linux can be a solution for a lot of problems here, in
> that it
> > >can run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse) just with the RIP 
> > >engine and the printer attached, running networking and samba so
> that
> > >your Windows PC can use it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Richard and Michael,

You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.  

As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply redirecting
output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a network
exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with getting QTR
running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
particularly problematic.  

I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this that are more
reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some diagnostic testing to help
identify what's blocking output on a particular system.

Thanks,
Roy


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
<richardh@j...> wrote:

> 
> Steve,
> 
> Michael's got you pointed in the right direction here. You need to
> break things down into simple pieces because the QTR/GUI isn't a real
> complicated duo. Two things:
> 
> 1. In case I missed it in an earlier part of your thread, have you
> tried running QTR without the GUI? You're dealing with two programs
> here and it would be good to isolate the problem -- Roy has pretty
> clear directions on how to run QTR "raw"
> 
> 2. When you run "net share" from the command prompt like Michael
> suggests, do you also see both your printer and a line that reads
> something like "print$ C:\WINNT\systema32\spool\drivers"?
> 
> Depending on whether that line is present and if you're spooling your
> output or sending RAW data to the printer may play a part in your
> problem -- Roy and/or Steve can fill you in more on how their
> respective code deals with the Win2K print spooler.
> 
> If you can print from Photoshop (or any other app) to your printer and
> you're not using a print server, the firewall is a non-issue as
> Michael suggests. However, do you have any security software of any
> sort running on your machine? Are you logged in as and have you
> installed all the software in this loop (including your printer
> drivers, QTR and GUI with Admin privileges or as the same user?
> 
> And again, in case I missed it, you are networked on the machine
> you're printing from or have a loopback adapter installed, right? And
> since you're using USB, you've checked for any port mismatches that
> may have been introduced when you set up your printer share, yes?
> 
> Michael -- FYI I've got about 30+ feet between my 9600 and my editing
> machine. It's a tad over "spec" but I am using a good heavy cable with
> ferrite cores, so I haven't had a bit of trouble with the distance for
> either my 9600 or 7000. Also, you can always drop a good powered hub
> or repeater in the line if noise is an issue, go ethernet, or if your
> network is wireless, the USB wireless adapters are getting very
> inexpensive. Distance should be no problem for you...
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Richard 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink"
> <steveabrink@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Thankd for the good info...!  But before I go through the hassle of 
> > setting up a print server, it would be great to get Steve Billard's 
> > feedback on doing this...? 
> > 
> > Also, real basic ?, how do I check the firewall setting is off in 
> > W2K...?  Or is there one...? 
> > 
> > Finally, can any windows developers out their think of any other   
> > settings that would stop QTR GUI from sending data to port for 
> > printing...? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> > Steve B 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Poster 
> > <mposter@w...> wrote:
> > > I'll betray my ignorance here, but what the heck. I've been
> reading 
> > recent 
> > > messages about print servers and am intrigued. I'm thinking about 
> > getting a 
> > > 7600 (or the next iteration) and have been wondering about how
> I'll 
> > set it up.
> > > 
> > > I'm on Win XP and have my 2200 direct connected to the PC via
> USB. 
> > It's 
> > > printing color through the Epson driver and BW using QTR /
> QTRgui. 
> > The 
> > > biggest problem I believe I'll have setting up the larger printer 
> > is space. 
> > > I will have to place the printer outside my office in an adjacent 
> > work room 
> > > and I may have to exceed acceptable USB cable length to get 
> > connected. It's 
> > > also an intriguing idea to get the print-driving software running 
> > on 
> > > another machine while I continue to work in Photoshop on
> subsequent 
> > images.
> > > 
> > > It seems that with QTRgui's watched folder capability I could
> send 
> > a file 
> > > to a networked machine in the work room serving the printers and 
> > QTR would 
> > > take over and print. Have I got that right? Is there some way to
> do 
> > the 
> > > same when printing color through the Epson driver?
> > > 
> > > Michael
> > > 
> > > At 09:58 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
> > > >One solution, if you have a spare computer (that PII-200 with
> 32MB 
> > of
> > > >RAM and the 2.0GB hard disk, that's ready for the garbage, will
> do
> > > >nicely here).  Can be reinstalled from bare metal, simply as a 
> > print
> > > >server.  Linux can be a solution for a lot of problems here, in 
> > that it
> > > >can run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse) just with the
> RIP
> > > >engine and the printer attached, running networking and samba so 
> > that
> > > >your Windows PC can use it.

I wonder if you use \\127.0.0.1, it may be more reliable.
\\computername might depend on the Windows network browser.

However, both of these assume the network's enabled and the new XPSP2
firewall's restricting access (in additional to the regular NTLM login
control (So if the printer's not attached to your own computer, you
might actually need to login before you can print to that printer)) so
it's not the most reliable way of doing things, but short of writing a
driver, I don't know anything more reliable for local machine
printing. (Also there are other firewall products, like Norton
internet security, BlackICE, ZoneAlarm etc)

I will look up some USB / device driver information today. I haven't
touched any windows device drivers for a long long time. 

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington"
<roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard and Michael,
> 
> You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.  
> 
> As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply redirecting
> output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a network
> exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with getting QTR
> running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
> particularly problematic.  
> 
> I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this
that are more
> reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some diagnostic testing
to help
> identify what's blocking output on a particular system.

After reading this posting it appears that my problem is that QTR 
doesn't run.  I can print from Photoshop; when I ran "net share" I 
got a response as below #2. My loopback adapter is recognized by the 
Device Manager.  My printer sharing appears to be correctly set up.  
I have XP Home. 

When I installed QTR it set up 2 application files in Bin, 
Imagetoraster and Quadtoprinter and the Quadtoneprint batch file.  
Clicking on the first two result in a quick flash on the screen 
without a actually opening anything.  The batchfile doesn't open the 
program.  I don't seem to have a way to open the program.

QTRGui does open and recognizes my printer sharing.  However, when I 
click "print" the 4000 is not accessed.  The QTRGUILOG shows only 
the choices that I made to print and then "pause."  The QTRLOG1 is 
accessed, but no entry is made.  Even though "Debug" was selected no 
Debug Log is created.  In fact, there is no QTRLOG2 in the QTR 
folder. 

How do you run QTR itself?  Am I missing some file in spite of 
having run and re-run the QTR installation?   

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
<richardh@j...> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Michael's got you pointed in the right direction here. You need to
> break things down into simple pieces because the QTR/GUI isn't a 
real
> complicated duo. Two things:
> 
> 1. In case I missed it in an earlier part of your thread, have you
> tried running QTR without the GUI? You're dealing with two programs
> here and it would be good to isolate the problem -- Roy has pretty
> clear directions on how to run QTR "raw"
> 
> 2. When you run "net share" from the command prompt like Michael
> suggests, do you also see both your printer and a line that reads
> something like "print$ C:\WINNT\systema32\spool\drivers"?
> 
> Depending on whether that line is present and if you're spooling 
your
> output or sending RAW data to the printer may play a part in your
> problem -- Roy and/or Steve can fill you in more on how their
> respective code deals with the Win2K print spooler.
> 
> If you can print from Photoshop (or any other app) to your printer 
and
> you're not using a print server, the firewall is a non-issue as
> Michael suggests. However, do you have any security software of any
> sort running on your machine? Are you logged in as and have you
> installed all the software in this loop (including your printer
> drivers, QTR and GUI with Admin privileges or as the same user?
> 
> And again, in case I missed it, you are networked on the machine
> you're printing from or have a loopback adapter installed, right? 
And
> since you're using USB, you've checked for any port mismatches that
> may have been introduced when you set up your printer share, yes?
> 
> Michael -- FYI I've got about 30+ feet between my 9600 and my 
editing
> machine. It's a tad over "spec" but I am using a good heavy cable 
with
> ferrite cores, so I haven't had a bit of trouble with the distance 
for
> either my 9600 or 7000. Also, you can always drop a good powered 
hub
> or repeater in the line if noise is an issue, go ethernet, or if 
your

> network is wireless, the USB wireless adapters are getting very
> inexpensive. Distance should be no problem for you...
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Richard 
>

Just a thought.. I am not in front of my printers (they are at home)
so I can't test right now..  Have you tried sending output directly to
"USB001:" (With a colon at the end)? Since printing is supposed to be
as simple as writing to LPT1:, with QTR doing all the work of the
driver, it might work. (How to figure out what port to which printer
automatically is another story, but we can solve them one by one).
(From the Epson driver or "net share", you can tell what USB number it
is if you have multiple USB printers)

In the mean time I am installing the latest device driver kit from
Microsoft.. 

Michael

> As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply redirecting
> output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a network
> exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with getting QTR
> running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
> particularly problematic.

Roy Harrington wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard and Michael,
> 
> You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.  
> 
> As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply redirecting
> output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a network
> exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with getting QTR
> running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
> particularly problematic.  
> 
> I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this that are more
> reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some diagnostic testing to help
> identify what's blocking output on a particular system.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roy

I do not belong to that elite group but I have mentioned before 
that it is possible to create a Generic Text Only printer on LPT1 
and dump the QTR file there. The Wasatch SoftRip uses that method 
to bypass the Windows spooling system when the printer is locally 
connected through a parallel port.  It must work with USB as 
well. QTR needs to do its own spooling ( it does already I think) 
in that case and must have a choice (and the software) to 
"connect" with the Generic printer. With Wasatch the name of the 
printer has to keep "Generic" for the first 7 characters 
otherwise it will not work. It is a one way connection though and 
printing can only be stopped with the Wasatch spooler "cancel". 
Select "Print directly to printer"  + some other settings in the 
Generic driver to take out any interference of that  driver.  I 
could add more from the W manual but it seems a bit too early for 
that right now.

I know this is more describing than informing what it is but the 
elite group may know what I'm trying to describe.

I know that when I use(d) Acorn computers and I had to drive a 
cutting plotter I could use a plain text printer. drop the HPGL 
file on it and okay'd the popping up window that said "shall I 
send it as plain text ?" or something like that. Actually I could 
do almost the same now in Windows with a converted HP 7550 
plotter that drives the Spectrocam over printed targets but the 
prompt window works as easy. Nevertheless this is very similar to 
what is done in the RIP automagically.

Ernst

Try the following (which I am probably going to add to the QTRgui help._

Click on the START button on the task bar. Select the RUN option. this will
open a COMMAND window. In this window type net share. This will show all the
shared resources on your computer. The share name of the printer you intend
to use with QuadToneRIP should be listed. 

Now type Set Computername. This should show you the name for your computer.
Your printer will be accessed by the Universal Naming Convention (UNC) name
\\<computer name>\<Share Name> (where <Computer Name> is the name you found
from the Set Computername command above and <Share Name> is the share name
listed in the Net share command above. 

Now type DIR \\<Computername>\C$. If you saw your printer in the share list
and you see your C drive directory, then QTR should work using the UNC name
above . 

You can further test the printer by the following: From the Printers and
Faxes window (Click START then click Printers And Faxes) double click on
your printer icon. This will bring up a window showing the printer's
documents queue. From your COMMAND window type Copy Con: "<UNC for your
printer>". Now type DIR several times. You should see a document show up in
the printer queue. Hold down the Ctrl key and type the letter Z. This will
end the copy command. The document in the printer queue will go away. Your
printer may not actually print anything, since this process does not
necessarily send the proper printer control codes. However, if the document
shows up in the printer queue, things are working. 

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Unger [mailto:ungram@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:08 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> After reading this posting it appears that my problem is that QTR 
> doesn't run.  I can print from Photoshop; when I ran "net share" I 
> got a response as below #2. My loopback adapter is recognized by the 
> Device Manager.  My printer sharing appears to be correctly set up.  
> I have XP Home. 
> 
> When I installed QTR it set up 2 application files in Bin, 
> Imagetoraster and Quadtoprinter and the Quadtoneprint batch file.  
> Clicking on the first two result in a quick flash on the screen 
> without a actually opening anything.  The batchfile doesn't open the 
> program.  I don't seem to have a way to open the program.
> 
> QTRGui does open and recognizes my printer sharing.  However, when I 
> click "print" the 4000 is not accessed.  The QTRGUILOG shows only 
> the choices that I made to print and then "pause."  The QTRLOG1 is 
> accessed, but no entry is made.  Even though "Debug" was selected no 
> Debug Log is created.  In fact, there is no QTRLOG2 in the QTR 
> folder. 
> 
> How do you run QTR itself?  Am I missing some file in spite of 
> having run and re-run the QTR installation?   
> 
> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
> <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > Michael's got you pointed in the right direction here. You need to 
> > break things down into simple pieces because the QTR/GUI isn't a
> real
> > complicated duo. Two things:
> > 
> > 1. In case I missed it in an earlier part of your thread, have you 
> > tried running QTR without the GUI? You're dealing with two programs 
> > here and it would be good to isolate the problem -- Roy has pretty 
> > clear directions on how to run QTR "raw"
> > 
> > 2. When you run "net share" from the command prompt like Michael 
> > suggests, do you also see both your printer and a line that reads 
> > something like "print$ C:\WINNT\systema32\spool\drivers"?
> > 
> > Depending on whether that line is present and if you're spooling
> your
> > output or sending RAW data to the printer may play a part in your 
> > problem -- Roy and/or Steve can fill you in more on how their 
> > respective code deals with the Win2K print spooler.
> > 
> > If you can print from Photoshop (or any other app) to your printer
> and
> > you're not using a print server, the firewall is a non-issue as 
> > Michael suggests. However, do you have any security software of any 
> > sort running on your machine? Are you logged in as and have you 
> > installed all the software in this loop (including your printer 
> > drivers, QTR and GUI with Admin privileges or as the same user?
> > 
> > And again, in case I missed it, you are networked on the machine 
> > you're printing from or have a loopback adapter installed, right?
> And
> > since you're using USB, you've checked for any port mismatches that 
> > may have been introduced when you set up your printer share, yes?
> > 
> > Michael -- FYI I've got about 30+ feet between my 9600 and my
> editing
> > machine. It's a tad over "spec" but I am using a good heavy cable
> with
> > ferrite cores, so I haven't had a bit of trouble with the distance
> for
> > either my 9600 or 7000. Also, you can always drop a good powered
> hub
> > or repeater in the line if noise is an issue, go ethernet, or if
> your
> > network is wireless, the USB wireless adapters are getting very 
> > inexpensive. Distance should be no problem for you...
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Unfortunately, USB connections are multi-device connections, There needs to
be routing information and a message protocol.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hung [mailto:mhkhung@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:25 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Just a thought.. I am not in front of my printers (they are 
> at home) so I can't test right now..  Have you tried sending 
> output directly to "USB001:" (With a colon at the end)? Since 
> printing is supposed to be as simple as writing to LPT1:, 
> with QTR doing all the work of the driver, it might work. 
> (How to figure out what port to which printer automatically 
> is another story, but we can solve them one by one). (From 
> the Epson driver or "net share", you can tell what USB number 
> it is if you have multiple USB printers)
> 
> In the mean time I am installing the latest device driver kit 
> from Microsoft.. 
> 
> Michael
> 
>

Hi Roy,

Sounds like Michael is already in motion on this question, and may
have a response that can be validated using the DDSDK from MS.
However, what Michael suggested in terms of writing to the port itself
and what Ernst is also suggesting re the spooling issue is what caught
my eye...

The W2K printer resource (from the GUI perspective) allows user
controls over sharing, spooling methods (direct, RAW, ordered, etc.)
security levels, etc. Pushing data down the pipe directly to the
printer would definitely bypass those variables.

Also, on a personal note I think both you and Steve have been
incredibly generous in not only developing, but also supporting the
QTR and GUI code. From some of the very basic questions that are being
asked, it would be great to have an FAQ in the QTR section of the
files area -- lots of people are requesting solutions to the same
problems (which have simple fixes) and/or don't know that QTR and the
GUI can be tested independently to streamline the troubleshooting
processes you may want to address.

There are many helpful people here on the forum, but personally, I'd
like to see your time and Steve's be focused more on moving your own
respective product plans forward than fielding some of these simple
questions. That would be to everyone's benefit, and it seems like
(beyond monitoring the user process to see what may or may not be 
beneficial to include in your code/UE) too much reliance on you in
this area is way beyond reasonable scope for what will ultimately
deliver the greatest value to all from your generous efforts. 

Unfortunately, due to personal commitments I can only offer this as a
suggestion that perhaps some kind forum member might be willing to
undertake (i.e., the QTR/GUI "Basics FAQ") -- and one could rightfully
say that if I'm not willing or able to do it myself then perhaps I
shouldn't suggest it. But, it seemed like a good idea at the time...
;>)

Glad to help in any way I can, circumstances permitting...

Thanks for all you do, Roy and Steve!

Cheers,

Richard   

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington"
<roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard and Michael,
> 
> You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.  
> 
> As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply
redirecting
> output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a
network
> exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with
getting QTR
> running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
> particularly problematic.  
> 
> I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this
that are more
> reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some diagnostic testing
to help
> identify what's blocking output on a particular system.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roy
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"richard_h95050" 
> <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > Michael's got you pointed in the right direction here. You need to
> > break things down into simple pieces because the QTR/GUI isn't a
real
> > complicated duo. Two things:
> > 
> > 1. In case I missed it in an earlier part of your thread, have you
> > tried running QTR without the GUI? You're dealing with two
programs
> > here and it would be good to isolate the problem -- Roy has pretty
> > clear directions on how to run QTR "raw"
> > 
> > 2. When you run "net share" from the command prompt like Michael
> > suggests, do you also see both your printer and a line that reads
> > something like "print$ C:\WINNT\systema32\spool\drivers"?
> > 
> > Depending on whether that line is present and if you're spooling
your
> > output or sending RAW data to the printer may play a part in your
> > problem -- Roy and/or Steve can fill you in more on how their
> > respective code deals with the Win2K print spooler.
> > 
> > If you can print from Photoshop (or any other app) to your
printer and
> > you're not using a print server, the firewall is a non-issue as
> > Michael suggests. However, do you have any security software of
any
> > sort running on your machine? Are you logged in as and have you
> > installed all the software in this loop (including your printer
> > drivers, QTR and GUI with Admin privileges or as the same user?
> > 
> > And again, in case I missed it, you are networked on the machine
> > you're printing from or have a loopback adapter installed, right?
And
> > since you're using USB, you've checked for any port mismatches
that
> > may have been introduced when you set up your printer share, yes?
> > 
> > Michael -- FYI I've got about 30+ feet between my 9600 and my
editing
> > machine. It's a tad over "spec" but I am using a good heavy cable
with
> > ferrite cores, so I haven't had a bit of trouble with the
distance for
> > either my 9600 or 7000. Also, you can always drop a good powered
hub
> > or repeater in the line if noise is an issue, go ethernet, or if
your

> > network is wireless, the USB wireless adapters are getting very
> > inexpensive. Distance should be no problem for you...
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > Richard 
> >

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hung" <mhkhung@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Just a thought.. I am not in front of my printers (they are at home)
> so I can't test right now..  Have you tried sending output directly to
> "USB001:" (With a colon at the end)? Since printing is supposed to be
> as simple as writing to LPT1:, with QTR doing all the work of the
> driver, it might work. (How to figure out what port to which printer
> automatically is another story, but we can solve them one by one).
> (From the Epson driver or "net share", you can tell what USB number it
> is if you have multiple USB printers)

Michael,

The simple redirect only works on LPT#:  names.  The USB001:  just
creates a file with that name.

I've tried:
\\computer\sharename
\\127.0.0.1\sharename

dir \\computer\C$
dir \\127.0.0.1\C$

They all seem to work with the network but fail without it.

> 
> In the mean time I am installing the latest device driver kit from
> Microsoft.. 

I've seen a little of this but I'm pretty lost on it without some help.

Roy

> 
> Michael
> 
> > As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply redirecting
> > output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a network
> > exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with getting QTR
> > running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
> > particularly problematic.

Hi Ernst,

I remember you talking about this before.   I can't find any info about it on
the MS website -- probably searching for the wrong thing.
Or is just using LPT1 for the parallel port.  I believe some have used QTR by
connecting it to the parallet port.   Unfortunately I don't have a parallel port.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@c...> 
wrote:

> Roy Harrington wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Richard and Michael,
> > 
> > You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.  
> > 
> > As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by simply redirecting
> > output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as long as a network
> > exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles with getting QTR
> > running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and sometimes not are
> > particularly problematic.  
> > 
> > I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this that are more
> > reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some diagnostic testing to help
> > identify what's blocking output on a particular system.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Roy
> 
> I do not belong to that elite group but I have mentioned before 
> that it is possible to create a Generic Text Only printer on LPT1 
> and dump the QTR file there. The Wasatch SoftRip uses that method 
> to bypass the Windows spooling system when the printer is locally 
> connected through a parallel port.  It must work with USB as 
> well. QTR needs to do its own spooling ( it does already I think) 
> in that case and must have a choice (and the software) to 
> "connect" with the Generic printer. With Wasatch the name of the 
> printer has to keep "Generic" for the first 7 characters 
> otherwise it will not work. It is a one way connection though and 
> printing can only be stopped with the Wasatch spooler "cancel". 
> Select "Print directly to printer"  + some other settings in the 
> Generic driver to take out any interference of that  driver.  I 
> could add more from the W manual but it seems a bit too early for 
> that right now.
> 
> I know this is more describing than informing what it is but the 
> elite group may know what I'm trying to describe.
> 
> I know that when I use(d) Acorn computers and I had to drive a 
> cutting plotter I could use a plain text printer. drop the HPGL 
> file on it and okay'd the popping up window that said "shall I 
> send it as plain text ?" or something like that. Actually I could 
> do almost the same now in Windows with a converted HP 7550 
> plotter that drives the Spectrocam over printed targets but the 
> prompt window works as easy. Nevertheless this is very similar to 
> what is done in the RIP automagically.
> 
> Ernst

QTR will work if the printer is connected to a parallel port. QTRgui directs
the output to the LPT<n> port that the printer is on. This works and does
not require a network. However, the people who have done this say that the
connection is slower than their USB one.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Harrington [mailto:roy@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:38 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ernst,
> 
> I remember you talking about this before.   I can't find any 
> info about it on
> the MS website -- probably searching for the wrong thing.
> Or is just using LPT1 for the parallel port.  I believe some 
> have used QTR by
> connecting it to the parallet port.   Unfortunately I don't 
> have a parallel port.
> 
> Roy
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst 
> Dinkla <E.Dinkla@c...> 
> wrote:
> > Roy Harrington wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Richard and Michael,
> > > 
> > > You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.
> > > 
> > > As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by 
> simply redirecting
> > > output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as 
> long as a network
> > > exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles 
> with getting 
> > > QTR running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and 
> sometimes not 
> > > are particularly problematic.
> > > 
> > > I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this 
> > > that are more reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some 
> > > diagnostic testing to help identify what's blocking output on a 
> > > particular system.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roy
> > 
> > I do not belong to that elite group but I have mentioned before
> > that it is possible to create a Generic Text Only printer on LPT1 
> > and dump the QTR file there. The Wasatch SoftRip uses that method 
> > to bypass the Windows spooling system when the printer is locally 
> > connected through a parallel port.  It must work with USB as 
> > well. QTR needs to do its own spooling ( it does already I think) 
> > in that case and must have a choice (and the software) to 
> > "connect" with the Generic printer. With Wasatch the name of the 
> > printer has to keep "Generic" for the first 7 characters 
> > otherwise it will not work. It is a one way connection though and 
> > printing can only be stopped with the Wasatch spooler "cancel". 
> > Select "Print directly to printer"  + some other settings in the 
> > Generic driver to take out any interference of that  driver.  I 
> > could add more from the W manual but it seems a bit too early for 
> > that right now.
> > 
> > I know this is more describing than informing what it is but the
> > elite group may know what I'm trying to describe.
> > 
> > I know that when I use(d) Acorn computers and I had to drive a
> > cutting plotter I could use a plain text printer. drop the HPGL 
> > file on it and okay'd the popping up window that said "shall I 
> > send it as plain text ?" or something like that. Actually I could 
> > do almost the same now in Windows with a converted HP 7550 
> > plotter that drives the Spectrocam over printed targets but the 
> > prompt window works as easy. Nevertheless this is very similar to 
> > what is done in the RIP automagically.
> > 
> > Ernst
> 
> 
> 
> 
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OK.. I am installing the DDK on my home machine so I will see what I
can do with it.. 

The last time I did printer driver type work was way back in the
Win31/Win95 days when I have postscript data to send directly to the
printer bypassing the Windows driver. Of course everything is changed
now (even the stupid windows driver architecture changed a few times
already).

Michael

> The simple redirect only works on LPT#:  names.  The USB001:  just
> creates a file with that name.
> 
> I've tried:
> \\computer\sharename
> \\127.0.0.1\sharename
> 
> dir \\computer\C$
> dir \\127.0.0.1\C$

Great news.. I got the Windows driver to print raw data without
writing a device driver. 

Roy and Steve: I will send you a personal email with the source code
and executable suitable for use in your command line environment.. you
will pipe data to the executable with something like: 

... quadtoprinter ... | rawprint "Epson Stylus Photo 1270"
2>...QTRLOG2.TXT

rawprint.exe takes 2 parameters, the first is the printer-name (as
defined by user), the optional second is the filename. It reads from
stdin if the second parameter is missing.

Steve, to make it user-friendly, you will pass the printer name to
rawprint.exe. It's the one you have already in the Printer Name dialog
box.

I tested it with a raw data file created by quadtoprinter and it's
prefect. 

(I don't know which one of you will package the file, I guess it's
easier for Roy to do it)

P.S. Roy, while you are at it, can you add a "almost center" feature?
I was trying to test print a 8x10.4 inch photo with the center
function on (on a letter size paper). Everything went well until the
end since the margin is too small (I have pizza wheels removed). With
the Epson driver/Photoshop the image starts closer to the top of the
page and there won't be any problem.

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hung"
<mhkhung@y...> wrote:

> 
> OK.. I am installing the DDK on my home machine so I will see what I
> can do with it.. 
> 
> The last time I did printer driver type work was way back in the
> Win31/Win95 days when I have postscript data to send directly to the
> printer bypassing the Windows driver. Of course everything is changed
> now (even the stupid windows driver architecture changed a few times
> already).

Hi all,

>In this window type net share. This will show all the
> shared resources on your computer. The share name of the printer 
>you intend> to use with QuadToneRIP should be listed. 

YES IT IS ...

> Now type DIR \\<Computername>\C$. If you saw your printer in the 
>share list> and you see your C drive directory, then QTR should work 
using the )>UNC name> above . 

NO  see below ... 
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>DIR \\STEVEBRINK01\C$
The network path was not found.

Thanks for the help!
SteveB

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:
> Try the following (which I am probably going to add to the QTRgui 
help._
> 
> Click on the START button on the task bar. Select the RUN option. 
this will
> open a COMMAND window. In this window type net share. This will 
show all the
> shared resources on your computer. The share name of the printer 
you intend
> to use with QuadToneRIP should be listed. 
> 
> Now type Set Computername. This should show you the name for your 
computer.
> Your printer will be accessed by the Universal Naming Convention 
(UNC) name
> \\<computer name>\<Share Name> (where <Computer Name> is the name 
you found
> from the Set Computername command above and <Share Name> is the 
share name
> listed in the Net share command above. 
> 
> Now type DIR \\<Computername>\C$. If you saw your printer in the 
share list
> and you see your C drive directory, then QTR should work using the 
UNC name
> above . 
> 
> You can further test the printer by the following: From the 
Printers and
> Faxes window (Click START then click Printers And Faxes) double 
click on
> your printer icon. This will bring up a window showing the printer's
> documents queue. From your COMMAND window type Copy Con: "<UNC for 
your
> printer>". Now type DIR several times. You should see a document 
show up in
> the printer queue. Hold down the Ctrl key and type the letter Z. 
This will
> end the copy command. The document in the printer queue will go 
away. Your
> printer may not actually print anything, since this process does not
> necessarily send the proper printer control codes. However, if the 
document
> shows up in the printer queue, things are working. 
> 
> -Stephen
>  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Unger [mailto:ungram@f...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:08 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI 
Problems...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > After reading this posting it appears that my problem is that QTR 
> > doesn't run.  I can print from Photoshop; when I ran "net share" 
I 
> > got a response as below #2. My loopback adapter is recognized by 
the 
> > Device Manager.  My printer sharing appears to be correctly set 
up.  
> > I have XP Home. 
> > 
> > When I installed QTR it set up 2 application files in Bin, 
> > Imagetoraster and Quadtoprinter and the Quadtoneprint batch 
file.  
> > Clicking on the first two result in a quick flash on the screen 
> > without a actually opening anything.  The batchfile doesn't open 
the 
> > program.  I don't seem to have a way to open the program.
> > 
> > QTRGui does open and recognizes my printer sharing.  However, 
when I 
> > click "print" the 4000 is not accessed.  The QTRGUILOG shows only 
> > the choices that I made to print and then "pause."  The QTRLOG1 
is 
> > accessed, but no entry is made.  Even though "Debug" was selected 
no 
> > Debug Log is created.  In fact, there is no QTRLOG2 in the QTR 
> > folder. 
> > 
> > How do you run QTR itself?  Am I missing some file in spite of 
> > having run and re-run the QTR installation?   
> > 
> > --- In 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
> > <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Steve,
> > > 
> > > Michael's got you pointed in the right direction here. You need 
to 
> > > break things down into simple pieces because the QTR/GUI isn't a
> > real
> > > complicated duo. Two things:
> > > 
> > > 1. In case I missed it in an earlier part of your thread, have 
you 
> > > tried running QTR without the GUI? You're dealing with two 
programs 
> > > here and it would be good to isolate the problem -- Roy has 
pretty 
> > > clear directions on how to run QTR "raw"
> > > 
> > > 2. When you run "net share" from the command prompt like 
Michael 
> > > suggests, do you also see both your printer and a line that 
reads 
> > > something like "print$ C:\WINNT\systema32\spool\drivers"?
> > > 
> > > Depending on whether that line is present and if you're spooling
> > your
> > > output or sending RAW data to the printer may play a part in 
your 
> > > problem -- Roy and/or Steve can fill you in more on how their 
> > > respective code deals with the Win2K print spooler.
> > > 
> > > If you can print from Photoshop (or any other app) to your 
printer
> > and
> > > you're not using a print server, the firewall is a non-issue as 
> > > Michael suggests. However, do you have any security software of 
any 
> > > sort running on your machine? Are you logged in as and have you 
> > > installed all the software in this loop (including your printer 
> > > drivers, QTR and GUI with Admin privileges or as the same user?
> > > 
> > > And again, in case I missed it, you are networked on the 
machine 
> > > you're printing from or have a loopback adapter installed, 
right?
> > And
> > > since you're using USB, you've checked for any port mismatches 
that 
> > > may have been introduced when you set up your printer share, 
yes?
> > > 
> > > Michael -- FYI I've got about 30+ feet between my 9600 and my
> > editing
> > > machine. It's a tad over "spec" but I am using a good heavy 
cable
> > with
> > > ferrite cores, so I haven't had a bit of trouble with the 
distance

> > for
> > > either my 9600 or 7000. Also, you can always drop a good powered
> > hub
> > > or repeater in the line if noise is an issue, go ethernet, or if
> > your
> > > network is wireless, the USB wireless adapters are getting very 
> > > inexpensive. Distance should be no problem for you...
> > > 
> > > Cheers!
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Michael--

that's great news! will your solution allow use of QTR with Win98?

> 
> 
> Great news.. I got the Windows driver to print raw data without
> writing a device driver. 
> 
> Roy and Steve: I will send you a personal email with the source code
> and executable suitable for use in your command line environment.. you
> will pipe data to the executable with something like: 
> 
> ... quadtoprinter ... | rawprint "Epson Stylus Photo 1270"
> 2>...QTRLOG2.TXT
> 
> rawprint.exe takes 2 parameters, the first is the printer-name (as
> defined by user), the optional second is the filename. It reads from
> stdin if the second parameter is missing.
> 
> Steve, to make it user-friendly, you will pass the printer name to
> rawprint.exe. It's the one you have already in the Printer Name dialog
> box.
> 
> I tested it with a raw data file created by quadtoprinter and it's
> prefect. 
> 
> (I don't know which one of you will package the file, I guess it's
> easier for Roy to do it)
> 
> P.S. Roy, while you are at it, can you add a "almost center" feature?
> I was trying to test print a 8x10.4 inch photo with the center
> function on (on a letter size paper). Everything went well until the
> end since the margin is too small (I have pizza wheels removed). With
> the Epson driver/Photoshop the image starts closer to the top of the
> page and there won't be any problem.
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hung"
> <mhkhung@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > OK.. I am installing the DDK on my home machine so I will see what I
> > can do with it.. 
> > 
> > The last time I did printer driver type work was way back in the
> > Win31/Win95 days when I have postscript data to send directly to the
> > printer bypassing the Windows driver. Of course everything is changed
> > now (even the stupid windows driver architecture changed a few times
> > already).
> 
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In theory, yes. (But then QTR should work with Win98 as is). Mime's
just a simple Win32 program. Wait for Steve and Roy to test and put it
into a release and you can test and tell us. But seriously, you really
should upgrade. :)

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Haber"
<matt@m...> wrote:

> Michael--
> 
> that's great news! will your solution allow use of QTR with Win98?

Hi Michael,

Thank you, thank you.  I got your code and it does look pretty simple.

From what it looks like, it seems it still uses the windows print spooler.
Is that right?  Do you think it's worth putting this code into quadtoprinter
to avoid another pipe?  The rest of the code is straight C but I'm using
the Visual C++ compiler.

Am I right that you don't even need the sharename feature to use this?
How about if you actually do have a network and the printer is on the
ethernet or another machine?

For the "almost center" feature:  are you using a 1270 or other desktop 
that doesn't print well for the last .55 inches?   The unequal margins 
seem to cause a lot of grief.   

Roy


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hung" 
<mhkhung@y...> wrote:

> 
> Great news.. I got the Windows driver to print raw data without
> writing a device driver. 
> 
> Roy and Steve: I will send you a personal email with the source code
> and executable suitable for use in your command line environment.. you
> will pipe data to the executable with something like: 
> 
> ... quadtoprinter ... | rawprint "Epson Stylus Photo 1270"
> 2>...QTRLOG2.TXT
> 
> rawprint.exe takes 2 parameters, the first is the printer-name (as
> defined by user), the optional second is the filename. It reads from
> stdin if the second parameter is missing.
> 
> Steve, to make it user-friendly, you will pass the printer name to
> rawprint.exe. It's the one you have already in the Printer Name dialog
> box.
> 
> I tested it with a raw data file created by quadtoprinter and it's
> prefect. 
> 
> (I don't know which one of you will package the file, I guess it's
> easier for Roy to do it)
> 
> P.S. Roy, while you are at it, can you add a "almost center" feature?
> I was trying to test print a 8x10.4 inch photo with the center
> function on (on a letter size paper). Everything went well until the
> end since the margin is too small (I have pizza wheels removed). With
> the Epson driver/Photoshop the image starts closer to the top of the
> page and there won't be any problem.
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hung"
> <mhkhung@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > OK.. I am installing the DDK on my home machine so I will see what I
> > can do with it.. 
> > 
> > The last time I did printer driver type work was way back in the
> > Win31/Win95 days when I have postscript data to send directly to the
> > printer bypassing the Windows driver. Of course everything is changed
> > now (even the stupid windows driver architecture changed a few times
> > already).

It still uses windows print spooler. I saw the entry in the printer
spool when printing. It actually just open the printer driver like
other windows programs are printing normally, except open it in RAW
mode, so anything you write to the driver goes directly to the
printer/spooler.

I don't know if you want to incorporate into quadtoprinter or not..
but not doing so will make it easier to have the raw file (if you just
pipe it to a file) or allow the old way of printing to a network
printer. The pipe doesn't really take much system resource anyway.
(But incorporating it will make it easier for those who doesn't use
QTRgui).

You don't need network or a share name any more. The name suppied to
the rawprint.exe is the name of the printer as defined in Windows's
printer dialog. (Mine is "Epson Stylus Photo 1270" by default). I am
sure there are ways to enumerate all the printers in the system
automatically and check the description of each. I can do that if needed. 

I don't know if remote network printer will work with that program. I
can test it tomorrow.. (You can always use the current way). The
Microsoft documentation's quite unclear.

I did the program using the latest VC++. If you decide to incorporate
into quadtoprinter, you just need to do some cut/paste and move the
variable around a little so it's legal C code. 

Yeah, I have a 1270 that doesn't print well with the last part of the
paper with the pizza wheels removed.. (I think they would be fine if
the pizza wheels are there..) 

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington"
<roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Thank you, thank you.  I got your code and it does look pretty simple.
> 
> From what it looks like, it seems it still uses the windows print
spooler.
> Is that right?  Do you think it's worth putting this code into
quadtoprinter

> to avoid another pipe?  The rest of the code is straight C but I'm using
> the Visual C++ compiler.
> 
> Am I right that you don't even need the sharename feature to use this?
> How about if you actually do have a network and the printer is on the
> ethernet or another machine?
> 
> For the "almost center" feature:  are you using a 1270 or other desktop 
> that doesn't print well for the last .55 inches?   The unequal margins 
> seem to cause a lot of grief.   
> 
> Roy
>

Michael Hung wrote:
> 
> In theory, yes. (But then QTR should work with Win98 as is). Mime's
> just a simple Win32 program. Wait for Steve and Roy to test and put it
> into a release and you can test and tell us. But seriously, you really
> should upgrade. :)
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Haber"
> <matt@m...> wrote:
> 
>>Michael--
>>
>>that's great news! will your solution allow use of QTR with Win98?
> 
> 

I don't mean to go OT here, but if Win98 works for him, and works well 
otherwise, then why should he upgrade.  A newer version of Windows, with 
higher memory requirements, and that requires newer peripherals, but 
that has the same bugs, virus and spy-ware issues, not worth the money 
spent.  Now if Adobe would release a Linux/FreeBSD version of Photoshop, 
then you could upgrade to a real operating system, then you would be 
talking.  Of course if your spending $1000 on a newer computer, you 
could always buy a slightly used Mac.....

W

I recall that there are more than just noticeable speed issues with
Parallel.

Well of course there is the usual issue of dropped data depending on
the actual protocol (whether or not hardware flow control is or can be
enabled). But I seem to remember some oddities when attempting to
print panorama's as well.

Of course the ink monitor is likely to do odd things and may need to
be uninstalled to get acceptable results.

....John




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard"
<stephen@s...> wrote:
> QTR will work if the printer is connected to a parallel port. QTRgui
directs
> the output to the LPT<n> port that the printer is on. This works and
does
> not require a network. However, the people who have done this say
that the

> connection is slower than their USB one.
> 
> -Stephen
>  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roy Harrington [mailto:roy@h...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:38 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Ernst,
> > 
> > I remember you talking about this before.   I can't find any 
> > info about it on
> > the MS website -- probably searching for the wrong thing.
> > Or is just using LPT1 for the parallel port.  I believe some 
> > have used QTR by
> > connecting it to the parallet port.   Unfortunately I don't 
> > have a parallel port.
> > 
> > Roy
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst 
> > Dinkla <E.Dinkla@c...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Roy Harrington wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Richard and Michael,
> > > > 
> > > > You guys seem to know a bit more of the Windows internals.
> > > > 
> > > > As I guess you know, I'm getting to the USB port by 
> > simply redirecting
> > > > output to \\computername\sharename.   This works OK as 
> > long as a network
> > > > exists.  But obviously this is one of the major hassles 
> > with getting 
> > > > QTR running.  Systems that are sometimes connected and 
> > sometimes not 
> > > > are particularly problematic.
> > > > 
> > > > I'd be really interested in any info about other ways to do this 
> > > > that are more reliable and fool-proof.  Or possibly just some 
> > > > diagnostic testing to help identify what's blocking output on a 
> > > > particular system.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Roy
> > > 
> > > I do not belong to that elite group but I have mentioned before
> > > that it is possible to create a Generic Text Only printer on LPT1 
> > > and dump the QTR file there. The Wasatch SoftRip uses that method 
> > > to bypass the Windows spooling system when the printer is locally 
> > > connected through a parallel port.  It must work with USB as 
> > > well. QTR needs to do its own spooling ( it does already I think) 
> > > in that case and must have a choice (and the software) to 
> > > "connect" with the Generic printer. With Wasatch the name of the 
> > > printer has to keep "Generic" for the first 7 characters 
> > > otherwise it will not work. It is a one way connection though and 
> > > printing can only be stopped with the Wasatch spooler "cancel". 
> > > Select "Print directly to printer"  + some other settings in the 
> > > Generic driver to take out any interference of that  driver.  I 
> > > could add more from the W manual but it seems a bit too early for 
> > > that right now.
> > > 
> > > I know this is more describing than informing what it is but the
> > > elite group may know what I'm trying to describe.
> > > 
> > > I know that when I use(d) Acorn computers and I had to drive a
> > > cutting plotter I could use a plain text printer. drop the HPGL 
> > > file on it and okay'd the popping up window that said "shall I 
> > > send it as plain text ?" or something like that. Actually I could 
> > > do almost the same now in Windows with a converted HP 7550 
> > > plotter that drives the Spectrocam over printed targets but the 
> > > prompt window works as easy. Nevertheless this is very similar to 
> > > what is done in the RIP automagically.
> > > 
> > > Ernst
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Something wrong in the networking, then.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:12 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI Problems...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> >In this window type net share. This will show all the
> > shared resources on your computer. The share name of the printer
> >you intend> to use with QuadToneRIP should be listed. 
> 
> YES IT IS ...
> 
> > Now type DIR \\<Computername>\C$. If you saw your printer in the
> >share list> and you see your C drive directory, then QTR should work 
> using the )>UNC name> above . 
> 
> NO  see below ... 
> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>DIR \\STEVEBRINK01\C$
> The network path was not found.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> SteveB
> 
>
>

There seem to be other problems with Windows 98, probably in command line
parameter limits. I no longer have my Windows ME system (convinced my wife
to upgrade her laptop to XP) so I can't pursue this any more.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Haber [mailto:matt@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:12 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Print Server - Was: QTR - GUI 
> Problems...
> 
> 
> 
> Michael--
> 
> that's great news! will your solution allow use of QTR with Win98?
> 
> > 
> > 
>

Roy, I just tested the RawPrint program today (in the office) and I
can use "rawprint \\server\printer file.bin" to print to a network
printer also. So it is generic enough to work for both local and
network printer.

For those who are interested, you can get that program in:
http://freestyle.dyndns.org/~mhkhung/RawPrint.zip
(But you most likely need to wait for Roy/Steve to integrate into QTR
or QTRgui anyway)

Michael

> Am I right that you don't even need the sharename feature to use this?
> How about if you actually do have a network and the printer is on the
> ethernet or another machine?

W,

Having used all the various versions of Windows since it was invented, I say 
he should upgrade because Win XP is far, far superior to Win98. It may need 
more memory (depending on what he has already), but it doesn't usually need 
new peripherals, and suffers less from bugs, viruses, etc, because a lot of 
attention has been given to solving them, and rarely ever crashes (unlike 
Win98). Win98 is 3 or 4 generations out-of-date 
(Win98-Win98SE-(WinME)-WinNT-Win2000-WinXP). The improvements in XP are 
countless, but of importance to printing, I could name USB2 and Firewire 
support, Wireless support, excellent networking, and superior multitasking.

Mac OS's, Windows OS's, and Linux OS's are all "real" operating systems. 
What sort of virtual world do you live in?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Wogster" <wogsterca@...>
>

I don't mean to go OT here, but if Win98 works for him, and works well
otherwise, then why should he upgrade.  A newer version of Windows, with
higher memory requirements, and that requires newer peripherals, but
that has the same bugs, virus and spy-ware issues, not worth the money
spent.  Now if Adobe would release a Linux/FreeBSD version of Photoshop,
then you could upgrade to a real operating system, then you would be
talking.

I just installed the new GUI and although it seems to get farther (ie. one
of the log files indicates "printing complete"), nothing is happening at the
printer. The "rawlog.txt" file contains only the following line:

Cannot open file:

That's it. Nothing else. I even added "C:\Program Files\QuadToneRIP\bin" to
my PATH environment variable, but still nothing. I've also heard from
several other people offline that they have the same results; that is to
say, no results whatsoever. I'm beginning to believe that all the comments
about what great prints people are getting from the windows version of QTR
are just part of a conspiracy to drive me nuts!

Does anybody have any suggestions, other than going back to the Linux
version? To reiterate, I am on XPPro, networked, with a 2200 printer on
USB001.

Thanks,
Stan
=======================
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http://www.smcqueen.com
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I recently downloaded the 2.1.6(latest) version and started the install.
After an unusually lengthy search for installed components the installer
found a prior download version in the same download file and installed there
instead of in the QuadToneRIP\bin location.

Activating the shortcut opened the prior version from the true location.

After manually deleting the prior version in the download file the program
installed properly.

Up until these new non-network versions I had always created a new file for
each version update.

This might indicate a problem with storing multiple update versions in the
same folder.

Avery



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