Digital BW, The Print

Hi:

Are they self-sealing or do they need the little gromets (in the 
bottom) when not in the printer?

Thanks!

> 
> Are they self-sealing or do they need the little gromets (in the
> bottom) when not in the printer?
> 

They have poppet valves like the Epson carts.  As such they are
self-sealing.  I, however, rinse the outlets and put tape over them to avoid
the possibility of residual ink drying and getting into the printer inlet.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul:

Thanks for the Info. 

Regards,

Jeff

I was at a gallerie yesterday, and the BW darkroom prints looked pretty 
good with a very nice surface, and no glass in front. I asked the guy 
what kind of paper it was, thinking they may have been ink prints, and 
he said "semi-matte, darkroom".....Anyways, I still have not been able 
to get the kind of quality that I get from kirkland from my semi-matte 
using the curves for ebony and glop. I suspect that it is The media 
setting, which I am not sure of. When I use the glossy film setting, 
the shadows are kind of posterized, and when I use the premium glossy 
setting the ink is way too heavy. I just did a print with premium 
semigloss, and it did turn out quite nice. The glop is less effective 
with semigloss that it is with kirkland and semi-matte. I do like the 
surface of semi the best, and the glop works great on it.

So I am wondering if I should experiment more with media settings, or 
adjust the curves. I almost think that the ilford curves may work 
better than the semimatte curve. (accidentally chose the wrong one one 
time. It was the ilford carbon curve, looked pretty good, but it was a 
diferent image)

So, Paul, or anyone that may be trying this combo, what do you guys 
suggest? I have been doing some experiments jsut trying to drain my 
last prefilled glop cart. It is finally empty, so tomorrow I will 
attemp switching over to the clear carts. Crossing my fingers!

as Usual, all info is much appreciated,

Doug M

Doug,

I use Epson Premium Semimatte (PSM) with the newer UT inksets (not UT1) and
no Glop.  I spray it after I print.  My workflow is just the normal
Photoshop RGB curves, Epson driver, with Eboni installed but not used.  The
black is generated by the 2 dark gray inks.

Because PSM was not available in smaller sizes, I have not made many curves
for it.  I suppose I should do that now that more people will be cutting it
down from 17 x 22.

What printer and inkset are you using?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas
> meeuwsen
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:09 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Pr.Semi matte....Roark workflow
> 
> I was at a gallerie yesterday, and the BW darkroom prints looked pretty
> good with a very nice surface, and no glass in front. I asked the guy
> what kind of paper it was, thinking they may have been ink prints, and
> he said "semi-matte, darkroom".....Anyways, I still have not been able
> to get the kind of quality that I get from kirkland from my semi-matte
> using the curves for ebony and glop. I suspect that it is The media
> setting, which I am not sure of. When I use the glossy film setting,
> the shadows are kind of posterized, and when I use the premium glossy
> setting the ink is way too heavy. I just did a print with premium
> semigloss, and it did turn out quite nice. The glop is less effective
> with semigloss that it is with kirkland and semi-matte. I do like the
> surface of semi the best, and the glop works great on it.
> 
> So I am wondering if I should experiment more with media settings, or
> adjust the curves. I almost think that the ilford curves may work
> better than the semimatte curve. (accidentally chose the wrong one one
> time. It was the ilford carbon curve, looked pretty good, but it was a
> diferent image)
> 
> So, Paul, or anyone that may be trying this combo, what do you guys
> suggest? I have been doing some experiments jsut trying to drain my
> last prefilled glop cart. It is finally empty, so tomorrow I will
> attemp switching over to the clear carts. Crossing my fingers!
> 
> as Usual, all info is much appreciated,
> 
> Doug M
> 
> 
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hmmmmm....I have a curve from you (i think) for premium semi and glop 
and eboni.....it is only one curve, neutral. I use the 1280, with 
UT2/glop. Tomorrow, after I get the clear carts installed I will mess 
around with some diferent things, like trying the diferent media 
settings on a step wedge etc.......now I wonder where that curve came 
from!
take care, DM
On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Doug,
>
>  I use Epson Premium Semimatte (PSM) with the newer UT inksets (not 
> UT1) and
>  no Glop.� I spray it after I print.� My workflow is just the normal
>  Photoshop RGB curves, Epson driver, with Eboni installed but not 
> used.� The
>  black is generated by the 2 dark gray inks.
>
>  Because PSM was not available in smaller sizes, I have not made many 
> curves
>  for it.� I suppose I should do that now that more people will be 
> cutting it
>  down from 17 x 22.
>
>  What printer and inkset are you using?
>
>  Paul
>  www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m] On Behalf Of 
> Douglas
>  > meeuwsen
>  > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:09 PM
>  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Pr.Semi matte....Roark workflow
>  >
>  > I was at a gallerie yesterday, and the BW darkroom prints looked 
> pretty
>  > good with a very nice surface, and no glass in front. I asked the 
> guy
>  > what kind of paper it was, thinking they may have been ink prints, 
> and
>  > he said "semi-matte, darkroom".....Anyways, I still have not been 
> able
>  > to get the kind of quality that I get from kirkland from my 
> semi-matte
>  > using the curves for ebony and glop. I suspect that it is The media
>  > setting, which I am not sure of. When I use the glossy film setting,
>  > the shadows are kind of posterized, and when I use the premium 
> glossy
>  > setting the ink is way too heavy. I just did a print with premium
>  > semigloss, and it did turn out quite nice. The glop is less 
> effective
>  > with semigloss that it is with kirkland and semi-matte. I do like 
> the
>  > surface of semi the best, and the glop works great on it.
>  >
>  > So I am wondering if I should experiment more with media settings, 
> or
>  > adjust the curves. I almost think that the ilford curves may work
>  > better than the semimatte curve. (accidentally chose the wrong one 
> one
>  > time. It was the ilford carbon curve, looked pretty good, but it 
> was a
>  > diferent image)
>  >
>  > So, Paul, or anyone that may be trying this combo, what do you guys
>  > suggest? I have been doing some experiments jsut trying to drain my
>  > last prefilled glop cart. It is finally empty, so tomorrow I will
>  > attemp switching over to the clear carts. Crossing my fingers!
>  >
>  > as Usual, all info is much appreciated,
>  >
>  > Doug M
>  >
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Doug,

You're right, I do have a neutral PSM curve for the 1280 and UT2.  I also
made a version of that for Glop. 

I don't see any notes on media type, so I assume the usual UT2 Curves
settings are used.

I did notice the Green & Red black points on the curves were the opposite of
what usually gives the best dmax, so I made a version 2 with the points
reversed.  I'll see how they work today.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas
> meeuwsen
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:39 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Pr.Semi matte....Roark workflow
> 
> hmmmmm....I have a curve from you (i think) for premium semi and glop
> and eboni.....it is only one curve, neutral. I use the 1280, with
> UT2/glop. Tomorrow, after I get the clear carts installed I will mess
> around with some diferent things, like trying the diferent media
> settings on a step wedge etc.......now I wonder where that curve came
> from!
> take care, DM
> On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> > Doug,
> >
> >  I use Epson Premium Semimatte (PSM) with the newer UT inksets (not
> > UT1) and
> >  no Glop.  I spray it after I print.  My workflow is just the normal
> >  Photoshop RGB curves, Epson driver, with Eboni installed but not
> > used.  The
> >  black is generated by the 2 dark gray inks.
> >
> >  Because PSM was not available in smaller sizes, I have not made many
> > curves
> >  for it.  I suppose I should do that now that more people will be
> > cutting it
> >  down from 17 x 22.
> >
> >  What printer and inkset are you using?
> >
> >  Paul
> >  www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Douglas
> >  > meeuwsen
> >  > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:09 PM
> >  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >  > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Pr.Semi matte....Roark workflow
> >  >
> >  > I was at a gallerie yesterday, and the BW darkroom prints looked
> > pretty
> >  > good with a very nice surface, and no glass in front. I asked the
> > guy
> >  > what kind of paper it was, thinking they may have been ink prints,
> > and
> >  > he said "semi-matte, darkroom".....Anyways, I still have not been
> > able
> >  > to get the kind of quality that I get from kirkland from my
> > semi-matte
> >  > using the curves for ebony and glop. I suspect that it is The media
> >  > setting, which I am not sure of. When I use the glossy film setting,
> >  > the shadows are kind of posterized, and when I use the premium
> > glossy
> >  > setting the ink is way too heavy. I just did a print with premium
> >  > semigloss, and it did turn out quite nice. The glop is less
> > effective
> >  > with semigloss that it is with kirkland and semi-matte. I do like
> > the
> >  > surface of semi the best, and the glop works great on it.
> >  >
> >  > So I am wondering if I should experiment more with media settings,
> > or
> >  > adjust the curves. I almost think that the ilford curves may work
> >  > better than the semimatte curve. (accidentally chose the wrong one
> > one
> >  > time. It was the ilford carbon curve, looked pretty good, but it
> > was a
> >  > diferent image)
> >  >
> >  > So, Paul, or anyone that may be trying this combo, what do you guys
> >  > suggest? I have been doing some experiments jsut trying to drain my
> >  > last prefilled glop cart. It is finally empty, so tomorrow I will
> >  > attemp switching over to the clear carts. Crossing my fingers!
> >  >
> >  > as Usual, all info is much appreciated,
> >  >
> >  > Doug M
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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super dumb question:
What are the "usual settings for ut2 curves"?.....for ilford and 
kirkland, it is "glossy film", for matte prints it is "matte paper", 
and for pr. glossy, semi gloss and luster it is "preimium photo 
paper".....so is there "usual setting? I am thinking possibly "glossy 
photo paper" or  "photo paper"......I'll give those a try when I 
getting my new clear carts going today......thanks in advance! DM

On May 1, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Doug,
>
>  You're right, I do have a neutral PSM curve for the 1280 and UT2.� I 
> also
>  made a version of that for Glop.
>
>  I don't see any notes on media type, so I assume the usual UT2 Curves
>  settings are used.
>
>  I did notice the Green & Red black points on the curves were the 
> opposite of
>  what usually gives the best dmax, so I made a version 2 with the 
> points
>  reversed.� I'll see how they work today.
>
>  Paul
>  www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Douglas
>  > meeuwsen
>  > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:39 AM
>  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Pr.Semi matte....Roark workflow
>  >
>  > hmmmmm....I have a curve from you (i think) for premium semi and 
> glop
>  > and eboni.....it is only one curve, neutral. I use the 1280, with
>  > UT2/glop. Tomorrow, after I get the clear carts installed I will 
> mess
>  > around with some diferent things, like trying the diferent media
>  > settings on a step wedge etc.......now I wonder where that curve 
> came
>  > from!
>  > take care, DM
>  > On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
>  >
>  > > Doug,
>  > >
>  > >� I use Epson Premium Semimatte (PSM) with the newer UT inksets 
> (not
>  > > UT1) and
>  > >� no Glop.� I spray it after I print.� My workflow is just the 
> normal
>  > >� Photoshop RGB curves, Epson driver, with Eboni installed but not
>  > > used.� The
>  > >� black is generated by the 2 dark gray inks.
>  > >
>  > >� Because PSM was not available in smaller sizes, I have not made 
> many
>  > > curves
>  > >� for it.� I suppose I should do that now that more people will be
>  > > cutting it
>  > >� down from 17 x 22.
>  > >
>  > >� What printer and inkset are you using?
>  > >
>  > >� Paul
>  > >� www.PaulRoark.com
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >� > -----Original Message-----
>  > >� > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > >� > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of
>  > > Douglas
>  > >� > meeuwsen
>  > >� > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:09 PM
>  > >� > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > >� > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Pr.Semi matte....Roark workflow
>  > >� >
>  > >� > I was at a gallerie yesterday, and the BW darkroom prints 
> looked
>  > > pretty
>  > >� > good with a very nice surface, and no glass in front. I asked 
> the
>  > > guy
>  > >� > what kind of paper it was, thinking they may have been ink 
> prints,
>  > > and
>  > >� > he said "semi-matte, darkroom".....Anyways, I still have not 
> been
>  > > able
>  > >� > to get the kind of quality that I get from kirkland from my
>  > > semi-matte
>  > >� > using the curves for ebony and glop. I suspect that it is The 
> media
>  > >� > setting, which I am not sure of. When I use the glossy film 
> setting,
>  > >� > the shadows are kind of posterized, and when I use the premium
>  > > glossy
>  > >� > setting the ink is way too heavy. I just did a print with 
> premium
>  > >� > semigloss, and it did turn out quite nice. The glop is less
>  > > effective
>  > >� > with semigloss that it is with kirkland and semi-matte. I do 
> like
>  > > the
>  > >� > surface of semi the best, and the glop works great on it.
>  > >� >
>  > >� > So I am wondering if I should experiment more with media 
> settings,
>  > > or
>  > >� > adjust the curves. I almost think that the ilford curves may 
> work
>  > >� > better than the semimatte curve. (accidentally chose the wrong 
> one
>  > > one
>  > >� > time. It was the ilford carbon curve, looked pretty good, but 
> it
>  > > was a
>  > >� > diferent image)
>  > >� >
>  > >� > So, Paul, or anyone that may be trying this combo, what do you 
> guys
>  > >� > suggest? I have been doing some experiments jsut trying to 
> drain my
>  > >� > last prefilled glop cart. It is finally empty, so tomorrow I 
> will
>  > >� > attemp switching over to the clear carts. Crossing my fingers!
>  > >� >
>  > >� > as Usual, all info is much appreciated,
>  > >� >
>  > >� > Doug M
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Wow....just filled my clear carts. One of the valves on the bottom must 
have been pushed out of whack when we sucked the ink out the bottom, 
cuz it just leaked like crazy. I poked the bottom fill snout back in, 
Moved it around a little, and it slowed it down a lot....We got it into 
the printer ok, and the nozzle checks were good after one cleaning. 
Right now it seems to be making a real nice print using glop and Pauls 
carbon curve on kirkland paper.......Looks like the system is working 
ok. I am assuming that the cart will not leak while in the 
printer.....Correct? Man, I HOPE so.....Doug m

Doug,

> What are the "usual settings for ut2 curves"? ...


Under the subtitle #2, "Image Editor Adjustment Curves" the general settings
are set out.  The media type, unless otherwise specified, is "Photo Paper."
Note that when Glop is used, the resolution should be 2880.  See
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

thanks again as usual mr roark, Trying it right now......DM
On May 1, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Doug,
>
>  > What are the "usual settings for ut2 curves"? ...
>
>
>  Under the subtitle #2, "Image Editor Adjustment Curves" the general 
> settings
>  are set out.� The media type, unless otherwise specified, is "Photo 
> Paper."
>  Note that when Glop is used, the resolution should be 2880.� See
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm.
>
>  Paul
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After messing around with UT2/glop and the roark Workflow on the 1280, 
my impressions are:

Glop works best on Kirkland paper. About perfectly, and no need for 
2880. No need for spray (except protection) Good from any angle, very 
slight glossy surface. Real nice feel when handling. Professional, not 
"computery"

Glop is pretty good on Epson Prem Semi matte, and the surface has 
almost no gloss reflection. There is a slight need for spray to Iron 
out some gloss diferential issues. No actual Bronzing with Glop 
However. Absolutely needs to be 2880, or the shadows block up, and you 
can see Black-only- like dots in the mids.  Looks just the semi-matte 
darkroom prints I saw and touched last week at a gallerie.

Glop on preium semi gloss definitely has to be sprayed, and then the 
reflections are distracting. Good heft, good image, but you can tell 
it's been sprayed. The surface feels funny to me.

Looks like premium semi-matte is almost as good as kirkland, but a 
little more trouble. Niether of these feels or looks like plastic. (the 
premium semi-gloss does though)

For people looking for that darkroom Vibe, These two are pretty close. 
Thanks to Mr. Roark for putting the system together, and answering all 
my silly questions!

I'm set.....now I can relax...aaahhh

Doug M