Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----

From: "qdfb" <qdb@...>

> Depends on what you mean by "affordable".

At inkjetmall I read:
"PiezographyTBW Pro24 is designed as a Pay for Print system for Photo Labs
and Service Bureaus"  -

2100$ software plus 4000$ for the printer - considering that my 1160 was
300$  it should be pretty obvious that this is not what I meant isn\ufffdt it?

I consider this as a missing link - a modern successor for the 3000 with
micro dot technology up to A2 in the 3000 price range.
Being an amateur I will not spend 6000$ for hanging big prints on my walls -
let alone the cost for a bigger PC which is up to the task.

So for A2 sized photos I will most likely have to go the traditional way and
print them in a darkroom. Sometimes this seems a very simple way compared to
the technological (and financial) overkill that is necessary to do that
digital stuff...

Greetings Bernhard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Bernie Ess" 
<albatros.bee@w...> wrote:
...

> 
> 2100$ software plus 4000$ for the printer - considering that my 
1160 was
> 300$  it should be pretty obvious that this is not what I meant 
isn´t it?

Of course, but aside from the 3000, which was the main point of my 
message, it is, as I made clear, the next printer up the line.  I'm 
just trying to provide information, and could do without the barbed 
comments, thanks.

And what about the 3000 with Piezo?  It's more expensive than the 
1160, but you get what you pay for, and it is a lot less expensive 
than the 7000, even with Piezo.  You may be able to get a 
reconditioned unit to save money.

I forgot to mention the 1520, which will also work with Piezo, but 
won't print quite as wide as a 3000.
--
Quentin

I know many won't agree but the fact that the 3000/5000 won't take thicker
fine art papers rules it out for me. I agree that a 6 pot 3600 would be a
great printer.

Julian

----- Original Message -----
From: "qdfb" <qdb@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Bernie Ess"
<albatros.bee@w...> wrote:
...

>
> 2100$ software plus 4000$ for the printer - considering that my
1160 was
> 300$  it should be pretty obvious that this is not what I meant
isn\ufffdt it?

Of course, but aside from the 3000, which was the main point of my
message, it is, as I made clear, the next printer up the line.  I'm
just trying to provide information, and could do without the barbed
comments, thanks.

And what about the 3000 with Piezo?  It's more expensive than the
1160, but you get what you pay for, and it is a lot less expensive
than the 7000, even with Piezo.  You may be able to get a
reconditioned unit to save money.

I forgot to mention the 1520, which will also work with Piezo, but
won't print quite as wide as a 3000.
--
Quentin




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I have both a 3000 and a 5000 and my 3000 WILL take thicker paper (I've
printed on 26 mil textured paper with my 3000 without a problem - although
you do have to load it from the back) while my 5000 will NOT. The 5000 has
been nothing but a waste of space and money IMO. Definitely not my favorite
Epson printer, can you tell <G>.

----- Original Message -----
From: Julian Thomas <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


> I know many won't agree but the fact that the 3000/5000 won't take thicker
> fine art papers rules it out for me. I agree that a 6 pot 3600 would be a
> great printer.
>
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qdfb" <qdb@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:16 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Bernie Ess"
> <albatros.bee@w...> wrote:
> ...
>
> >
> > 2100$ software plus 4000$ for the printer - considering that my
> 1160 was
> > 300$  it should be pretty obvious that this is not what I meant
> isn\ufffdt it?
>
> Of course, but aside from the 3000, which was the main point of my
> message, it is, as I made clear, the next printer up the line.  I'm
> just trying to provide information, and could do without the barbed
> comments, thanks.
>
> And what about the 3000 with Piezo?  It's more expensive than the
> 1160, but you get what you pay for, and it is a lot less expensive
> than the 7000, even with Piezo.  You may be able to get a
> reconditioned unit to save money.
>
> I forgot to mention the 1520, which will also work with Piezo, but
> won't print quite as wide as a 3000.
> --
> Quentin
>
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Bernie, 

Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if you have an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service bureau.  Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000. 

Most people only have room on the walls at home for so many large prints anyway....and spouses do have a say every now and then too..."not another.."

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernie Ess 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "qdfb" <qdb@...>

  > Depends on what you mean by "affordable".

  At inkjetmall I read:
  "PiezographyTBW Pro24 is designed as a Pay for Print system for Photo Labs
  and Service Bureaus"  -

  2100$ software plus 4000$ for the printer - considering that my 1160 was
  300$  it should be pretty obvious that this is not what I meant isn´t it?

  I consider this as a missing link - a modern successor for the 3000 with
  micro dot technology up to A2 in the 3000 price range.
  Being an amateur I will not spend 6000$ for hanging big prints on my walls -
  let alone the cost for a bigger PC which is up to the task.

  So for A2 sized photos I will most likely have to go the traditional way and
  print them in a darkroom. Sometimes this seems a very simple way compared to
  the technological (and financial) overkill that is necessary to do that
  digital stuff...

  Greetings Bernhard



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Quentin, I didn\ufffdt get your message that Julian is quoting further down.

Sorry if my answer seemed somehow rough, maybe I just was just a little bit
shocked by those prices... :-)
In fact just by the size of the printer a 3000 style machine is what would
put into my home at best. The 1520 doesn\ufffdt print bigger than the 1160.

Basically I dont like the idea too much of buying a printhead technology
which is some 3 or 5 years old. They could have updated it to their latest
printheads. A new 3xxx Printer could be the perfect intermediate model
between the now low cost A3 printers and the top models 7k, 9k and 10k..

But the photographer group is probably too small to be of considerable
interest for a company like Epson...

Greetings Bernhard

> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----

(...)

>
> Of course, but aside from the 3000, which was the main point of my
> message, it is, as I made clear, the next printer up the line.  I'm
> just trying to provide information, and could do without the barbed
> comments, thanks.
>
> And what about the 3000 with Piezo?  It's more expensive than the
> 1160, but you get what you pay for, and it is a lot less expensive
> than the 7000, even with Piezo.  You may be able to get a
> reconditioned unit to save money.
>
> I forgot to mention the 1520, which will also work with Piezo, but
> won't print quite as wide as a 3000.
> --
> Quentin
>

No worries - I must be getting thin skinned.  Can't blame you for the 
price shock.  You should have seen my wife's face when the 7000 first 
arrived :-)  

There does seem to be a gap in Epson's lineup at the moment.  Problem 
pricewizse is that above the 1280/90, Epson move in to pro territory, 
with pro pricing.  The 3000 still sells, so I guess for the moment 
they can focus on the 10000 and upcoming rumoured 8000 series.

I justify my 7000 by driving an old Ford instead of a newer car.  I'm 
printing off an A2 print on it at the moment.  As they say, size 
matters.
--
Quentin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Bernie Ess" 
<albatros.bee@w...> wrote:
> Quentin, I didn´t get your message that Julian is quoting further 
down.
> 
> Sorry if my answer seemed somehow rough, maybe I just was just a 
little bit
> shocked by those prices... :-)
> In fact just by the size of the printer a 3000 style machine is 
what would
> put into my home at best. The 1520 doesn´t print bigger than the 
1160.
> 
> Basically I dont like the idea too much of buying a printhead 
technology
> which is some 3 or 5 years old. They could have updated it to their 
latest
> printheads. A new 3xxx Printer could be the perfect intermediate 
model
> between the now low cost A3 printers and the top models 7k, 9k and 
10k..
> 
> But the photographer group is probably too small to be of 
considerable
> interest for a company like Epson...
> 
> Greetings Bernhard
> 
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> 
> (...)
> >
> > Of course, but aside from the 3000, which was the main point of my
> > message, it is, as I made clear, the next printer up the line.  
I'm
> > just trying to provide information, and could do without the 
barbed

> > comments, thanks.
> >
> > And what about the 3000 with Piezo?  It's more expensive than the
> > 1160, but you get what you pay for, and it is a lot less expensive
> > than the 7000, even with Piezo.  You may be able to get a
> > reconditioned unit to save money.
> >
> > I forgot to mention the 1520, which will also work with Piezo, but
> > won't print quite as wide as a 3000.
> > --
> > Quentin
> >

>
>Basically I dont like the idea too much of buying a printhead technology
>which is some 3 or 5 years old. They could have updated it to their latest
>printheads. A new 3xxx Printer could be the perfect intermediate model
>between the now low cost A3 printers and the top models 7k, 9k and 10k..
>
>But the photographer group is probably too small to be of considerable
>interest for a company like Epson...
>
>Greetings Bernhard
>

There is a page "I love Epson" - an unofficial page of Seiko/Epson 
company - http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp and long time ago (12-18 
months) there were pictures of updated 3000 - one with 4 inks and 
second one with 6 inks, but no any news about them yet.

Martin Sluka

Steadman,

I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print quadtones.

Tim

> Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if you have
> an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service bureau. 
> Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000. 
--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com
&
http://www.borderless-photos.de

Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@...>
To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


> Steadman,
>
> I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print quadtones.
>
> Tim
>
> > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if you have
> > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service bureau.
> > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
> --
> Tim Spragens
> http://www.borderless-photos.com
> &
> http://www.borderless-photos.de
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----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>

> Bottom line -- the 3000 is an excellent, affordable way to get terrific
> display prints on your walls, but don't expect state of the art postcards.
>
Paul - do you print with the Epson driver then?

Bernhard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> I know many won't agree but the fact that the 3000/5000 won't 
take thicker
> fine art papers rules it out for me. I agree that a 6 pot 3600 
would be a
> great printer.
> 
> Julian

Julian,
my 3000 eats Photo Rag 308 gsm without any problems - if I 
feed it over the tractor line.
Bernd

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "qdfb" <qdb@b...> 
wrote:

> 
> I forgot to mention the 1520, which will also work with Piezo, 
but 
> won't print quite as wide as a 3000.
> --
> Quentin


Quentin, a 1520 doesn´t print larger than an 1160, it only takes 
larer sheets, so the margin is wider.
Bernd

>>and spouses do have a say every now and then too..."not another.."

Steadman
-----------------

Never truer words spake <g>

Tom O'Connell

Wow... I think you have a good one then.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "ruhrfoto" <ruhrfoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > I know many won't agree but the fact that the 3000/5000 won't
> take thicker
> > fine art papers rules it out for me. I agree that a 6 pot 3600
> would be a
> > great printer.
> >
> > Julian
>
> Julian,
> my 3000 eats Photo Rag 308 gsm without any problems - if I
> feed it over the tractor line.
> Bernd
>
>
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Julian and Steadman-

Can't Jon Cone make "service bureau" prints?

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...>
> To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
> 
> 
> > Steadman,
> >
> > I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print 
quadtones.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if 
you have
> > > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service 
bureau.
> > > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
> > --
> > Tim Spragens
> > http://www.borderless-photos.com
> > &
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de
> >
> >
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Check with Nigel (Nij) as he has a 7000 and plenty of ink.  (wINK)

Or...Julian is up to something with some friends...maybe he can help too. 

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tim Spragens 
  To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


  Steadman,

  I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print quadtones.

  Tim

  > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if you have
  > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service bureau. 
  > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000. 
  --
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  http://www.borderless-photos.com
  &
  http://www.borderless-photos.de


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Yes. 

But ConeEditions is not in Europe.  

Tim is in Europe.  Nij is in Europe.  Julian is in Europe. 

Steadman is in...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tomoc 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:25 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


  Julian and Steadman-

  Can't Jon Cone make "service bureau" prints?

  Tom O'Connell


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  <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
  > Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!
  > 
  > Julian
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...>
  > To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@y...>
  > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
  > 
  > 
  > > Steadman,
  > >
  > > I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print 
  quadtones.
  > >
  > > Tim
  > >
  > > > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if 
  you have
  > > > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service 
  bureau.
  > > > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
  > > --
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Bernhard

>> Bottom line -- the 3000 is an excellent, affordable way to get terrific
>> display prints on your walls, but don't expect state of the art
postcards.


>Paul - do you print with the Epson driver then?

Yes.  I have the Piezo system but prefer the Epson driver due to the tone
control the MIS Vm inks give me.

>As there is no CIS available for 3000, what is the most
>economic way to get a lot of prints done? Are the carts refillable?

Yes, just re-fill the large carts.  I suppose the MIS 7000 CFS method might
work with the 3000, but the carts work very well and have a large capacity.
I'm still using the first ones I filled.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

> Yes, just re-fill the large carts.  I suppose the MIS 7000 CFS method
might
> work with the 3000, but the carts work very well and have a large
capacity.
> I'm still using the first ones I filled.
>
> Paul

Well that sounds not so bad, I might try to get a used 3000 in good
condition on ebay and run it with MIS inks...
Thanks for info,

greetings Bernhard

..and I'm in the UK...sorta Europe without the Euro :-)

Willing to do the occasional 7000 Piezo print by personal arrangement.
--
Quentin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Yes. 
> 
> But ConeEditions is not in Europe.  
> 
> Tim is in Europe.  Nij is in Europe.  Julian is in Europe. 
> 
> Steadman is in...
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> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: tomoc 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:25 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
> 
> 
>   Julian and Steadman-
> 
>   Can't Jon Cone make "service bureau" prints?
> 
>   Tom O'Connell
> 
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
>   <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
>   > Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!
>   > 
>   > Julian
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...>
>   > To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@y...>
>   > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > Steadman,
>   > >
>   > > I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print 
>   quadtones.
>   > >
>   > > Tim
>   > >
>   > > > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then 
if 
>   you have
>   > > > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service 
>   bureau.
>   > > > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
>   > > --
>   > > Tim Spragens
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No postal service in Europe <g>... They have to have it RIGHT AWAY???

tom



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Yes. 
> 
> But ConeEditions is not in Europe.  
> 
> Tim is in Europe.  Nij is in Europe.  Julian is in Europe. 
> 
> Steadman is in...
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: tomoc 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:25 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
> 
> 
>   Julian and Steadman-
> 
>   Can't Jon Cone make "service bureau" prints?
> 
>   Tom O'Connell
> 
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
>   <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
>   > Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!
>   > 
>   > Julian
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...>
>   > To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@y...>
>   > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > Steadman,
>   > >
>   > > I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print 
>   quadtones.
>   > >
>   > > Tim
>   > >
>   > > > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then 
if 
>   you have
>   > > > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service 
>   bureau.
>   > > > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
>   > > --
>   > > Tim Spragens
>   > > http://www.borderless-photos.com
>   > > &
>   > > http://www.borderless-photos.de
>   > >
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Yup, but he is on the wrong continent... there are quite a lot of good
photogs in the eurozone who could use large quad prints.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "tomoc" <tomoc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


> Julian and Steadman-
>
> Can't Jon Cone make "service bureau" prints?
>
> Tom O'Connell
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...>
> > To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
> >
> >
> > > Steadman,
> > >
> > > I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print
> quadtones.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then if
> you have
> > > > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service
> bureau.
> > > > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
> > > --
> > > Tim Spragens
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.com
> > > &
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de
> > >
> > >
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> ..and I'm in the UK...sorta Europe without the Euro :-)
> 

Not for long if president Blair's latest utterances are worth anything!

Julian

People don't want to pay US prices! We don't have the US disposable income
and print sale prices are lower. You guys have been living in the land of
milk and honey, with 50% of the world's wealth and only 6% of it's
population for too long! And then FedEx, customs, etc sheesh.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "tomoc" <tomoc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3


> No postal service in Europe <g>... They have to have it RIGHT AWAY???
>
> tom
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich"
> <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> > But ConeEditions is not in Europe.
> >
> > Tim is in Europe.  Nij is in Europe.  Julian is in Europe.
> >
> > Steadman is in...
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: tomoc
> >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:25 PM
> >   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
> >
> >
> >   Julian and Steadman-
> >
> >   Can't Jon Cone make "service bureau" prints?
> >
> >   Tom O'Connell
> >
> >
> >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> >   <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> >   > Well.... you shouldn't have to wait too long!
> >   >
> >   > Julian
> >   > ----- Original Message -----
> >   > From: "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...>
> >   > To: <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@y...>
> >   > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:20 PM
> >   > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Printers bigger than A3
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > > Steadman,
> >   > >
> >   > > I don't think we have a service bureau here that can print
> >   quadtones.
> >   > >
> >   > > Tim
> >   > >
> >   > > > Simply use a smaller printer for your own prints and then
> if
> >   you have
> >   > > > an image you want large on your wall, take it to a service
> >   bureau.
> >   > > > Much cheaper that way...as opposed to buying a 7000.
> >   > > --
> >   > > Tim Spragens
> >   > > http://www.borderless-photos.com
> >   > > &
> >   > > http://www.borderless-photos.de
> >   > >
> >   > >
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Tom,

there are many reasons for wanting to work more locally than across 
an ocean than turnaround time, although that can be an increasing 
factor of one isn't satisfied with what is sent. Consider return 
time, possible duties and taxes, and time zones if one wants to call. 
Postal charges alone from here to there are about twice the reverse.

Tim Spragens


> No postal service in Europe <g>... They have to have it RIGHT AWAY???
> 
> tom
--
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http://www.borderless-photos.com
&
http://www.borderless-photos.de

Tim-

I'm sympathetic to that...as I am to the notion that there is value 
in being able see your printer face-to-face once in a while...both 
learn from the exchange.

OTOH, Jon Cone does some seriously great printing and has take so 
many lumps in the forums lately, that I would love to see someone 
patronize him and then give us a glowing report for a change.

cheers,

Tom O'Connell



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
<t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> there are many reasons for wanting to work more locally than across 
> an ocean than turnaround time, although that can be an increasing 
> factor of one isn't satisfied with what is sent. Consider return 
> time, possible duties and taxes, and time zones if one wants to 
call. 
> Postal charges alone from here to there are about twice the reverse.
> 
> Tim Spragens
> 
> 
> > No postal service in Europe <g>... They have to have it RIGHT 
AWAY???

> > 
> > tom
> --
> Tim Spragens
> http://www.borderless-photos.com
> &
> http://www.borderless-photos.de

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> People don't want to pay US prices! We don't have the US disposable 
income
> and print sale prices are lower. You guys have been living in the 
land of
> milk and honey, with 50% of the world's wealth and only 6% of it's
> population for too long! And then FedEx, customs, etc sheesh.
> 
> Julian

Well... We really hit the wall last year... But that aside, I 
sympathize with the hassle of dealing with a printer long distance. I 
live on the West Coast U.S. and the time difference drives me 
crazy... At least from U.K., you have the advantage of being ahead of 
NY (something I'm quite sure they resent) in the day. Fedex is a 
dream compared to the Post Office, but customs...yup, that's an 
annoyance for sure.

Has anyone tried sending files electronically to a printer? would 
definitely reduce the hassle factor. I've done it with "non-art" 
printing like bulk postcards and greeting cards, but not any serious 
stuff.

Tom O'Connell

Tom,

I've sent LARGE digital files to my brother on the US left coast, 
beats post, but still takes ages, even with DSL on both ends. Beats 
the post for speed. 

I'd still rather deal with a "local" printer, if I needed something 
printed that's likely to cost me what anything larger than I can 
print here would. I have no doubts that Cone Editions could do a fine 
job, but if it doesn't look how I want it to look, we've both got a 
problem.

Tim Spragens

> Has anyone tried sending files electronically to a printer? would
> definitely reduce the hassle factor. I've done it with "non-art"
> printing like bulk postcards and greeting cards, but not any serious
> stuff.
--
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http://www.borderless-photos.com
&
http://www.borderless-photos.de