Digital BW, The Print

hello. i scanned my medium format black and white negatives. they look
great on the monitor after working with them on photoshop 6.0.

when i print them they have a bluish cast to them. does anyone any
suggestions? thanks in advance.

Hi Anthony..

Unfortunately B&W on a 1280 with OEM Epson Inks wiil NOT produce a decent black and white..Same applies to any of their older dye-based printers.....However if you are willing to dedidacte this machine to doing B&W ONLY, MIS associates has the answer with a set of variable tone black inks called 'UT-2"..I've been using them for about 3 years with their refillable  spongeless cartridges which may oar may not be currently available..Your BEST bet is to get a new or re-furbished Epson model 2400 which will do color or B&W VERY nicely, with the least amount of effort on your part..

Eddie Wiseman

 ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Antonio Fernandez 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:39 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black & White on epson 1280 printer


  hello. i scanned my medium format black and white negatives. they look
  great on the monitor after working with them on photoshop 6.0.

  when i print them they have a bluish cast to them. does anyone any
  suggestions? thanks in advance.



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, Eddie. thanks for your info. i have two epson
1280 printers and plan to dedicate one of them solely
to B&W. 

i was hoping to learn how to produce b/w photos using
oem epson ink to reduce the learning curve when i make
the switch to UT-2 ink. 

i just may make the switch sooner than later.
--- Eddie Wiseman <pahts@...> wrote:

> Hi Anthony..
> 
> Unfortunately B&W on a 1280 with OEM Epson Inks wiil
> NOT produce a decent black and white..Same applies
> to any of their older dye-based printers.....However
> if you are willing to dedidacte this machine to
> doing B&W ONLY, MIS associates has the answer with a
> set of variable tone black inks called 'UT-2"..I've
> been using them for about 3 years with their
> refillable  spongeless cartridges which may oar may
> not be currently available..Your BEST bet is to get
> a new or re-furbished Epson model 2400 which will do
> color or B&W VERY nicely, with the least amount of
> effort on your part..
> 
> Eddie Wiseman
> 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Antonio Fernandez 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:39 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black & White
> on epson 1280 printer
> 
> 
>   hello. i scanned my medium format black and white
> negatives. they look
>   great on the monitor after working with them on
> photoshop 6.0.
> 
>   when i print them they have a bluish cast to them.
> does anyone any
>   suggestions? thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
>

Hi Antonio,

I made some black ink only prints from the Epson ink that came with my used 1270. I printed 13x19 on Inkpress heavy mat and I got no tint.

For idiots like me, there is a learning curve. So, the quicker you get to something like Black Only with ebony ink or the UT set, the better-off you will be.

Starting with the epson driver with the black print checked, you can learn about reducing ink laydown and making adjustments to the image in an image editor. Learning some of this before you go on to more inks and QTR will help. Look at the difference with the same image sent as grayscale and also as RGB mono, etc..

gar

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On 5/30/08 at 2:11 PM Antonio Fernandez wrote:

>Hello, Eddie. thanks for your info. i have two epson
>1280 printers and plan to dedicate one of them solely
>to B&W. 
>
>i was hoping to learn how to produce b/w photos using
>oem epson ink to reduce the learning curve when i make
>the switch to UT-2 ink. 
>
>i just may make the switch sooner than later.

The only problem you may have is getting the empty spongeless cartridges and a chip re-setter..If you plan to dedicate one of your machines to B&W, I would get in touch with MIS ASAP..I believe that Rulings by the court system have banned the importation of such things..once they're gone..I actually would buy SEVERAL sets..They're pretty inexpensive..personally I would stay away from ANY CIS (continuous ink supply)..Been there..done that..4 or 5 times..They ALL work fine in the beginning, but you will wear out your printer with EXTRA cleaning cycles and clogs..I would also invest  a $50 shareware fee for Harrington's QTR (quad-tone rip)..It will make things very easy if you utilize the UT-2 inkset....Also look up anything written by Paul Roark on this group..He's the most well-known innovator for fine-art 3rd party inks, and does much of his experimenting with MIS ink-sets....BTW, my other 1280 is set up to use LYSON Fotonic color dye-based inks..In use with the MIS spongeless carts as well..Great color..Low cost, and More longevity than the Epson OEM Dyes (but no where near the longevity of their color pigment inks!)

Eddie
Eddie Wiseman
J&M Industries LLC
T 978-474-0103
F 978-474-8023
email: pahts@...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Antonio Fernandez 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black & White on epson 1280 printer


  Hello, Eddie. thanks for your info. i have two epson
  1280 printers and plan to dedicate one of them solely
  to B&W. 

  i was hoping to learn how to produce b/w photos using
  oem epson ink to reduce the learning curve when i make
  the switch to UT-2 ink. 

  i just may make the switch sooner than later.
  --- Eddie Wiseman <pahts@...> wrote:

  > Hi Anthony..
  > 
  > Unfortunately B&W on a 1280 with OEM Epson Inks wiil
  > NOT produce a decent black and white..Same applies
  > to any of their older dye-based printers.....However
  > if you are willing to dedidacte this machine to
  > doing B&W ONLY, MIS associates has the answer with a
  > set of variable tone black inks called 'UT-2"..I've
  > been using them for about 3 years with their
  > refillable spongeless cartridges which may oar may
  > not be currently available..Your BEST bet is to get
  > a new or re-furbished Epson model 2400 which will do
  > color or B&W VERY nicely, with the least amount of
  > effort on your part..
  > 
  > Eddie Wiseman
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Antonio Fernandez 
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:39 PM
  > Subject: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black & White
  > on epson 1280 printer
  > 
  > 
  > hello. i scanned my medium format black and white
  > negatives. they look
  > great on the monitor after working with them on
  > photoshop 6.0.
  > 
  > when i print them they have a bluish cast to them.
  > does anyone any
  > suggestions? thanks in advance.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been
  > removed]
  > 
  > 



   

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hello. thanks for the advice. 

i shoot medium format. i'm trying to get away from a
wet darkroom because i live on ranch and can not use
the chemicals. the college lab is 42 miles away.

what do you think of the epson 2200 printer for b/w
printing?
--- Eddie Wiseman <pahts@...> wrote:

> The only problem you may have is getting the empty
> spongeless cartridges and a chip re-setter..If you
> plan to dedicate one of your machines to B&W, I
> would get in touch with MIS ASAP..I believe that
> Rulings by the court system have banned the
> importation of such things..once they're gone..I
> actually would buy SEVERAL sets..They're pretty
> inexpensive..personally I would stay away from ANY
> CIS (continuous ink supply)..Been there..done
> that..4 or 5 times..They ALL work fine in the
> beginning, but you will wear out your printer with
> EXTRA cleaning cycles and clogs..I would also invest
>  a $50 shareware fee for Harrington's QTR (quad-tone
> rip)..It will make things very easy if you utilize
> the UT-2 inkset....Also look up anything written by
> Paul Roark on this group..He's the most well-known
> innovator for fine-art 3rd party inks, and does much
> of his experimenting with MIS ink-sets....BTW, my
> other 1280 is set up to use LYSON Fotonic color
> dye-based inks..In use with the MIS spongeless carts
> as well..Great color..Low cost, and More longevity
> than the Epson OEM Dyes (but no where near the
> longevity of their color pigment inks!)
> 
> Eddie
> Eddie Wiseman
> J&M Industries LLC
> T 978-474-0103
> F 978-474-8023
> email: pahts@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Antonio Fernandez 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black &
> White on epson 1280 printer
> 
> 
>   Hello, Eddie. thanks for your info. i have two
> epson
>   1280 printers and plan to dedicate one of them
> solely
>   to B&W. 
> 
>   i was hoping to learn how to produce b/w photos
> using
>   oem epson ink to reduce the learning curve when i
> make
>   the switch to UT-2 ink. 
> 
>   i just may make the switch sooner than later.
>   --- Eddie Wiseman <pahts@...> wrote:
> 
>   > Hi Anthony..
>   > 
>   > Unfortunately B&W on a 1280 with OEM Epson Inks
> wiil
>   > NOT produce a decent black and white..Same
> applies
>   > to any of their older dye-based
> printers.....However
>   > if you are willing to dedidacte this machine to
>   > doing B&W ONLY, MIS associates has the answer
> with a
>   > set of variable tone black inks called
> 'UT-2"..I've
>   > been using them for about 3 years with their
>   > refillable spongeless cartridges which may oar
> may
>   > not be currently available..Your BEST bet is to
> get
>   > a new or re-furbished Epson model 2400 which
> will do
>   > color or B&W VERY nicely, with the least amount
> of
>   > effort on your part..
>   > 
>   > Eddie Wiseman
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: Antonio Fernandez 
>   > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:39 PM
>   > Subject: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black &
> White
>   > on epson 1280 printer
>   > 
>   > 
>   > hello. i scanned my medium format black and
> white
>   > negatives. they look
>   > great on the monitor after working with them on
>   > photoshop 6.0.
>   > 
>   > when i print them they have a bluish cast to
> them.
>   > does anyone any
>   > suggestions? thanks in advance.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been
>   > removed]
>   > 
>   > 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
>

Antonio..I don't think the 2200 would be a "best" choice..I don't see alot of support for it..Again, I would go for a new or refurbished 2400 for your needs..

Eddie


  hello. thanks for the advice. 

  i shoot medium format. i'm trying to get away from a
  wet darkroom because i live on ranch and can not use
  the chemicals. the college lab is 42 miles away.

  what do you think of the epson 2200 printer for b/w
  printing?
  --- Eddie Wiseman <pahts@...> wrote:

  > The only problem you may have is getting the empty
  > spongeless cartridges and a chip re-setter..If you
  > plan to dedicate one of your machines to B&W, I
  > would get in touch with MIS ASAP..I believe that
  > Rulings by the court system have banned the
  > importation of such things..once they're gone..I
  > actually would buy SEVERAL sets..They're pretty
  > inexpensive..personally I would stay away from ANY
  > CIS (continuous ink supply)..Been there..done
  > that..4 or 5 times..They ALL work fine in the
  > beginning, but you will wear out your printer with
  > EXTRA cleaning cycles and clogs..I would also invest
  > a $50 shareware fee for Harrington's QTR (quad-tone
  > rip)..It will make things very easy if you utilize
  > the UT-2 inkset....Also look up anything written by
  > Paul Roark on this group..He's the most well-known
  > innovator for fine-art 3rd party inks, and does much
  > of his experimenting with MIS ink-sets....BTW, my
  > other 1280 is set up to use LYSON Fotonic color
  > dye-based inks..In use with the MIS spongeless carts
  > as well..Great color..Low cost, and More longevity
  > than the Epson OEM Dyes (but no where near the
  > longevity of their color pigment inks!)
  > 
  > Eddie
  > Eddie Wiseman
  > J&M Industries LLC
  > T 978-474-0103
  > F 978-474-8023
  > email: pahts@...
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Antonio Fernandez 
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:11 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black &
  > White on epson 1280 printer
  > 
  > 
  > Hello, Eddie. thanks for your info. i have two
  > epson
  > 1280 printers and plan to dedicate one of them
  > solely
  > to B&W. 
  > 
  > i was hoping to learn how to produce b/w photos
  > using
  > oem epson ink to reduce the learning curve when i
  > make
  > the switch to UT-2 ink. 
  > 
  > i just may make the switch sooner than later.
  > --- Eddie Wiseman <pahts@...> wrote:
  > 
  > > Hi Anthony..
  > > 
  > > Unfortunately B&W on a 1280 with OEM Epson Inks
  > wiil
  > > NOT produce a decent black and white..Same
  > applies
  > > to any of their older dye-based
  > printers.....However
  > > if you are willing to dedidacte this machine to
  > > doing B&W ONLY, MIS associates has the answer
  > with a
  > > set of variable tone black inks called
  > 'UT-2"..I've
  > > been using them for about 3 years with their
  > > refillable spongeless cartridges which may oar
  > may
  > > not be currently available..Your BEST bet is to
  > get
  > > a new or re-furbished Epson model 2400 which
  > will do
  > > color or B&W VERY nicely, with the least amount
  > of
  > > effort on your part..
  > > 
  > > Eddie Wiseman
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: Antonio Fernandez 
  > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > 
  > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:39 PM
  > > Subject: [Digital BW] HELP printing Black &
  > White
  > > on epson 1280 printer
  > > 
  > > 
  > > hello. i scanned my medium format black and
  > white
  > > negatives. they look
  > > great on the monitor after working with them on
  > > photoshop 6.0.
  > > 
  > > when i print them they have a bluish cast to
  > them.
  > > does anyone any
  > > suggestions? thanks in advance.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
  > > removed]
  > > 
  > > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been
  > removed]
  > 
  > 



   

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> what do you think of the epson 2200 printer for b/w
> printing?

I regularly use a 2200 with a SuperJetUSA CIS (needed a custom bridge 
part not supplied by them to hold the tubing correctly) and Carbon-6.  
Mine is working perfectly.

Paul    
www.PaulRoark.com

In addition to MIS inks for the Epson printers I would also check out 
www.inkjetmall.com for their B&W Piezography K6 / K7 inks which go 
well in my Epson 1290 - the european version of 1280. I have used a 
CIS for this printer, but if you can get hold of refillable carts it 
will be better. You have to fill them quite often, but for me it was 
a lot less hazzle. The 1280/90 is not built for pigment inks and some 
of these printers are more prone to giving you trouble with pigment 
inks than others. I started out with Cone PiezoTone inks for my 1290 
and had to do cleaning cycles quite often.  The new K6 / K7 inks from 
Inkjetmall made life a lot easier... Cones newst ink is called K7 MPS 
Selenium. I have an Epson 4000 with this ink and this is the best 
inkset ever when it comes to carefree operation for me. 

If you think about buying a new printer you should absolutly check 
out the Epson 1400 (an affordable A3+ printer like the 1280/90 was) 
with the special split tone inkset from Inkjetmall/Cone Piezography. 
They rave about this printer/inkset combination as the best B&W 
printer solution they have ever seen. 
Look here: http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.15/
category.6522/.f

FinnK


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antonio 
Fernandez" <tlaloc_aif@...> wrote:
>
> hello. i scanned my medium format black and white negatives. they 
look

> great on the monitor after working with them on photoshop 6.0.
> 
> when i print them they have a bluish cast to them. does anyone any
> suggestions? thanks in advance.
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" 
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> > what do you think of the epson 2200 printer for b/w
> > printing?
> 
> I regularly use a 2200 with a SuperJetUSA CIS (needed a custom bridge 
> part not supplied by them to hold the tubing correctly) and Carbon-
6.  
I use an Inkjetfly CIS on my 1280 and the tubing support is not
what I'd like.  Did make a support bridge or get one from some
vendor?  Another question; I'm using carbon 6 and it's working great 
with one exception.  Printing on the same paper (Red River Polar Matte)
the warmth/coolness of tone fluctuates.  Any way to get it more 
consitant.  I a newbie so please bear with me.  Thanks.


Mine is working perfectly.

> 
> Paul    
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

> I use an Inkjetfly CIS on my 1280 and the tubing support is not
> what I'd like.  Did make a support bridge or get one from some
> vendor?

I used a 1/8 by 1" aluminum piece (cut from stock Ace hardware 
caries) to make a bridge across the top of the printer, above where 
the head moves.  I used adhesive-backed velcro on the ends of the 
bridge and on the printer so that the bridge would be able to be 
removed and adjusted.  The Superjet brackets held the tubing OK when 
they were taped to the bridge.  It just takes some careful adjusting 
to make sure the tubing is not going to hit anything.

At the left side of the printer, away from where the head parks, I 
also cut the case to make more room for the tubing when the head goes 
under the case.   There is a diagonal plastic section that is not 
needed.  I just cut it (multiple drill holes with paper towels under 
the site to catch the shavings) to make it as high as possible where 
the tubing will be going.  I then used clear packing tape to make a 
very rounded edge there.

> I'm using carbon 6 and it's working great 
> with one exception.  Printing on the same paper 
>(Red River Polar Matte) the warmth/coolness of tone fluctuates. 
> Any way to get it more consitant.  

Those very cold papers will go from cold highlights to slightly warm 
midtones.  It's a rather extreme split tone.  I'm guessing that is 
what you're seeing.  If the tone is fluctuating at the same density 
spot, then that is something I've not seen. 

I've been using the Premier Art Matte BW (210 gsm) paper for a some 
cards.  It has the split tone, which looks good in the image I'm 
doing.  I have not seen any variance among the cards, however.

The papers with the lower split tones are the Premier Art "smooth" 
papers (bright white or natural), Hawk Mtn. Condor BW, and Moab 
Entrada (BW and natural).  They all have some of the split tone.  At 
this point there is not way I have found to print dilute 100% carbon 
pigments with a straight line responce.  

If you have not tried the Premier Art Smooth BW 200, be sure to give 
it a try.  Its curl is a pain to deal with, requiring hand feeding 
and sometimes a bit of de-rolling (I use the cardboard core of a used 
paper towel roll, with plain paper over the coated side of the inkjet 
paper to protect the coating).  However, if you want a more neutral 
print, it's the best.  The paper is the same as the Epson Scrapbook --
 Epson's most archival.  The brighteners meet the silver print 
standards for stability, I'm told.  (Which does not mean the OBAs 
won't ultimately fade, but things are getting better on that front.)

 
Paul 
www.PaulRoark.com

Hello Antonio,

> i shoot medium format. i'm trying to get away from a
> wet darkroom because i live on ranch and can not use
> the chemicals. the college lab is 42 miles away.
> 
> what do you think of the epson 2200 printer for b/w
> printing?

Both the 1280 and the 2200 are older out of production machines and
have various liabilities, depending on which inks are used.  If you
are going to make a jump from the 1280 you might consider getting into
something more current.  The technology of printers and inks really
has come a long way since those days.

If you want an excellent out-of-the-box B&W and color printer with OEM
pigment inks then the best advice you've gotten so far is the 2400
(and even that is about to be replaced by the new 2880).  It can do
color and BW on matte and the new fiber glossy papers.  You can read
about using it with a simple work flow at article #9 at the link
below.  These are fairly expensive printers, but with the new 2880
being released the prices on 2400s will be dropping, and refurbs are
available.  

If you want to use a pure carbon (with no color pigments) approach and
are willing to refill carts or use a CIS then the new 1400 with Paul
Roark's Eboni-based ink set, sold by MIS, is definitely the way to go.
The 1400 is also less expensive than the 2400.  I hope this helps.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" 
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
>  
> > I use an Inkjetfly CIS on my 1280 and the tubing support is not
> > what I'd like.  Did make a support bridge or get one from some
> > vendor?
> 
> I used a 1/8 by 1" aluminum piece (cut from stock Ace hardware 
> caries) to make a bridge across the top of the printer, above where 
> the head moves.  I used adhesive-backed velcro on the ends of the 
> bridge and on the printer so that the bridge would be able to be 
> removed and adjusted.  The Superjet brackets held the tubing OK 
when 
> they were taped to the bridge.  It just takes some careful 
adjusting 
> to make sure the tubing is not going to hit anything.
> 
> At the left side of the printer, away from where the head parks, I 
> also cut the case to make more room for the tubing when the head 
goes 
> under the case.   There is a diagonal plastic section that is not 
> needed.  I just cut it (multiple drill holes with paper towels 
under 
> the site to catch the shavings) to make it as high as possible 
where 
> the tubing will be going.  I then used clear packing tape to make a 
> very rounded edge there.
> 
> > I'm using carbon 6 and it's working great 
> > with one exception.  Printing on the same paper 
> >(Red River Polar Matte) the warmth/coolness of tone fluctuates. 
> > Any way to get it more consitant.  
> 
> Those very cold papers will go from cold highlights to slightly 
warm 
> midtones.  It's a rather extreme split tone.  I'm guessing that is 
> what you're seeing.  If the tone is fluctuating at the same density 
> spot, then that is something I've not seen. 
> 
> I've been using the Premier Art Matte BW (210 gsm) paper for a some 
> cards.  It has the split tone, which looks good in the image I'm 
> doing.  I have not seen any variance among the cards, however.
> 
> The papers with the lower split tones are the Premier Art "smooth" 
> papers (bright white or natural), Hawk Mtn. Condor BW, and Moab 
> Entrada (BW and natural).  They all have some of the split tone.  
At 
> this point there is not way I have found to print dilute 100% 
carbon 
> pigments with a straight line responce.  
> 
> If you have not tried the Premier Art Smooth BW 200, be sure to 
give 
> it a try.  Its curl is a pain to deal with, requiring hand feeding 
> and sometimes a bit of de-rolling (I use the cardboard core of a 
used 
> paper towel roll, with plain paper over the coated side of the 
inkjet 
> paper to protect the coating).  However, if you want a more neutral 
> print, it's the best.  The paper is the same as the Epson 
Scrapbook --
>  Epson's most archival.  The brighteners meet the silver print 
> standards for stability, I'm told.  (Which does not mean the OBAs 
> won't ultimately fade, but things are getting better on that front.)
> 
>  
> Paul 
> www.PaulRoark.com

  Thanks Paul for answering both questions.  The "bridge" sounds easy
  enough for even I to build.  As for the paper, I'll definately try
  it and see if it's a bit more stable.  The RR Polar Matte usually
  prints slightly warm which is what I usually prefer but occasionally
  it prints way too warm.  Appreciate your help.
  
  Tom Garrett
  tgar2@suddenlink.net

> what I'd like.  Did make a support bridge or get one from some
> vendor?  

I just ordered a support bridge from MIS for $10 for their CIS for the 
2200.  I was placing an order for other things and thought I would try 
it.

Paul's solution sounds pretty simple though. I'll let you know what I 
get from MIS and whether it was worth the trouble.  No picture for it, 
so not 100% sure what it will be.

Best,
Michael

Hello, Paul, I'm a little confused. I thought these two papers
contained no OBA's. (and is that actually Premier Art Smooth 205, not
200?) At least I think that was what I gathered from your "white paper"
on non-OBA papers. Perhaps I read it wrong...)

[off-topic but: I finally got my R1800 going, using your 3MK approach.
I've got MIS clear in the other five slots. Finally figured out how to
use QTR rip, and paid my dues. Happy with results so far, using some
Moab Kayenta I had around. I want to thank you for helping me get
started!]

> If you have not tried the Premier Art Smooth BW 200, be sure to give 
> it a try.  Its curl is a pain to deal with, requiring hand feeding 
> and sometimes a bit of de-rolling (I use the cardboard core of a used 
> paper towel roll, with plain paper over the coated side of the inkjet 
> paper to protect the coating).  However, if you want a more neutral 
> print, it's the best.  The paper is the same as the Epson Scrapbook --
>  Epson's most archival.  The brighteners meet the silver print 
> standards for stability, I'm told.  (Which does not mean the OBAs 
> won't ultimately fade, but things are getting better on that front.)
> 
>  
> Paul 
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

>.. I thought these two papers contained no OBA's. 

PA Smooth (formerly Hot Press) 205 is non-OBA, aka Epson Scrapbook.

PA Smooth Bright White ("BW") 200 is brightened.  It's basically a 
brightened version of the 205 Scrapbook paper.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks, Paul. We (I) really need to pay close attention to the exact
names of those papers, don't we. 

Paul

> >.. I thought these two papers contained no OBA's. 
> 
> PA Smooth (formerly Hot Press) 205 is non-OBA, aka Epson Scrapbook.
> 
> PA Smooth Bright White ("BW") 200 is brightened.  It's basically a 
> brightened version of the 205 Scrapbook paper.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>