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Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by JorgeG

Folks,
Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 

I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189. 

Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or shall I convert the new 1400?  What will be the pros and cons of converting either one to be a B&W printer?

Your input is greatly appreciated.

Jorge

Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by edward wiseman

Jorge..

I cannot speak to the 2200, but I do have 2 -1400's, one of which is set up with MIS UT-14  pigment based B&W inks and has been is service for me almost a year with NO PROBLEMS, and GREAT results IMHO..The 1400 is a 1.5 picoliter printer utilizing very tiny droplets to give you a clean/dot free end result...Refillable carts are available , and are very user friendly..
plenty of support available on this forum, and on the "QTR forum..

Good luck with your decision..

Eddie
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JorgeG 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:31 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200


    
  Folks,
  Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 

  I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189. 

  Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of converting either one to be a B&W printer?

  Your input is greatly appreciated.

  Jorge



  

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Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by jespes

I  can't offer a 1400 opinion but I do have a 2200 with piezography inks and refillable carts. Like Eddie says about the 1400, almost no problems with my 2200 setup. Had initial hesitation about the hassle, but now a convert. I don't even use it that often (couple times a month), but despite the light usage see almost no clogging. Any issues and a cleaning cycle deals with it, i've found. Easy stuff.

Maybe a deciding factor is, how you want to use the *other* of the two printers.




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
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>
> Jorge..
> 
> I cannot speak to the 2200, but I do have 2 -1400's, one of which is set up with MIS UT-14  pigment based B&W inks and has been is service for me almost a year with NO PROBLEMS, and GREAT results IMHO..The 1400 is a 1.5 picoliter printer utilizing very tiny droplets to give you a clean/dot free end result...Refillable carts are available , and are very user friendly..
> plenty of support available on this forum, and on the "QTR forum..
> 
> Good luck with your decision..
> 
> Eddie
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: JorgeG 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:31 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200
> 
> 
>     
>   Folks,
>   Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 
> 
>   I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189. 
> 
>   Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of converting either one to be a B&W printer?
> 
>   Your input is greatly appreciated.
> 
>   Jorge
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

RE: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by David Whistance

Jorge

Both can make very good B&W printers with the right inkset.  As the 1400 is
a current printer you will probably find more ready made profiles for the
newer papers for that printer as well as more recent inksets from either MIS
or Cone.  Lots are available for the 2200 though.

Perhaps the easiest way to make the decision is to consider what, if any,
your needs are for a colour printer.  If you want to print in colour on
glossy papers then I would suggest using the 1400 for colour and converting
the 2200 to B&W.  If you only want to produce matte colour prints then I
would use the 2200 for colour as its inkset is very stable with a good gamut
on matte papers.

Of course if you don't need to print colour then why not try both for B&W
with different inksets?

David Whistance
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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JorgeG
  Sent: 31 December 2009 15:31
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200



  Folks,
  Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W
printer.

  I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has
very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus
Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189.

  Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer,
or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of
converting either one to be a B&W printer?

  Your input is greatly appreciated.

  Jorge



  


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Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by kwalsh74

Hi Jorge,

I had a $189 Epson 1400 on my front porch just last evening.  Sitting next to me now, not quite out of the box yet.  Hurray for Amazon!  Anyway, my refillable carts are showing up today I think and then I can start to play.  No 13x19 paper about just yet though :(.

Anywho, I am by no means anything like an expert and my printing experience is limited, but I would advocate for converting the 1400 to B&W and keeping the 2200 on color for two reasons.  

The first reason is based on your color print longevity, namely the 1400 uses Claria dye inks which are relatively short lived compared to the UltraChrome pigments that your 2200 uses.  So I think the 2200 is likely the better color printer if print longevity is of any concern.

The second reason is the 1400 has a 1.5pL droplet size and thus allows you to do some great pure carbon (no toning pigments) work with just a few dilutions.  You can even do really great prints using Paul Roark's 3MK approach using only 100% Eboni.  Alternatively you can get a bit smoother highlights with just one more dilution (the 2% dilution which is the Y channel in the EB-6 ink set).  This keeps your ink costs way down, just two inks to buy and you get stunning prints that also are easier to keep neutral as it is the middle dilutions of Eboni that are the warmest.  I have used this 3MK-Y approach on a R280 (which is a 1.5pL narrow carriage printer) and it is very, very nice.

You can pick-up a set of empty auto-reseting-chip carts on E-Bay for about $25 and then you only need to buy one or two dilutions of Eboni from MIS and you are off and running at minimal cost.

Anyway, just my two cents.  There are many folks here with far more experience that can probably chime in.

Ken

Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by JorgeG

Folks,

I forgot to mention that I'm planning to use either printer with Quad Tone RIP.

I'm not sure that changes anything, but I felt that I needed to mention it. 

Regards,

jorge

Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by pr_roark

"JorgeG" <jorgegaj@...> wrote:
>
> I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 
> 
> ... 2200 ... 1400 ...

I currently use the 1400 for my B&W printing up to 13" wide.  I'm using a combination of Eboni-6 (could be Carbon-6) and HP Z3100 PK.  
See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf

MIS's inksets are listed on my index at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by Jorge Gaj

Eddie,

Thank you very much for your prompt response.  As I'm reading more posting, it appears that many people are using the new 1400 with MIS UT-14. I'm planning to read the articles written by Paul Roark.  Are you using the refillable carts? and what papers do you use for your b&w prints?

Thanks,

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@surewest.net







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From: edward wiseman <pahts@comcast.net>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 8:28:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  
Jorge..

I cannot speak to the 2200, but I do have 2 -1400's, one of which is set up with MIS UT-14  pigment based B&W inks and has been is service for me almost a year with NO PROBLEMS, and GREAT results IMHO..The 1400 is a 1.5 picoliter printer utilizing very tiny droplets to give you a clean/dot free end result...Refillable carts are available , and are very user friendly..
plenty of support available on this forum, and on the "QTR forum..

Good luck with your decision..

Eddie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: JorgeG 
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

Folks,
Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 

I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189. 

Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of converting either one to be a B&W printer?

Your input is greatly appreciated.

Jorge

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Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by Jorge Gaj

Jesse,

Thank you very much for your prompt response.  

The bottom line is that I want to use one of the printers for B&W printing and the other one for color.  The color printer wont be used as much as the B&W. It appears that many folks are using the 1400 since it is a newer model. I have seen many posting at QTR on the 2200. It seems that it was very popular until the 2400 came out. 

Do you use QTR and what are your favorite papers to print B&W pics.

Thanks,

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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From: jespes <jesse.pesta@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 8:56:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  
I  can't offer a 1400 opinion but I do have a 2200 with piezography inks and refillable carts. Like Eddie says about the 1400, almost no problems with my 2200 setup. Had initial hesitation about the hassle, but now a convert. I don't even use it that often (couple times a month), but despite the light usage see almost no clogging. Any issues and a cleaning cycle deals with it, i've found. Easy stuff.

Maybe a deciding factor is, how you want to use the *other* of the two printers.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
>
> Jorge..
> 
> I cannot speak to the 2200, but I do have 2 -1400's, one of which is set up with MIS UT-14  pigment based B&W inks and has been is service for me almost a year with NO PROBLEMS, and GREAT results IMHO..The 1400 is a 1.5 picoliter printer utilizing very tiny droplets to give you a clean/dot free end result...Refillable carts are available , and are very user friendly..
> plenty of support available on this forum, and on the "QTR forum..
> 
> Good luck with your decision..
> 
> Eddie
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: JorgeG 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com 
>   Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:31 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200
> 
> 
> 
>   Folks,
>   Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 
> 
>   I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189. 
> 
>   Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of converting either one to be a B&W printer?
> 
>   Your input is greatly appreciated.
> 
>   Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by Jorge Gaj

David,

Thank you very much for your response.  

I'm lucky that I'll have two good printers and be able to have one dedicated to B&W and the other one to color printing. 

I have a question regarding the printing with glossy paper on the 2200. Did you encounter problems printing on glossy paper with the 2200?  Most of my printing will be on matte or luster paper. I may be experimenting with new papers in the near future. 
All of this is fairly new to me. Lots to absorb. The good thing is that I'm retiring in 4 months. 

Thanks,

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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From: David Whistance <david.whistance@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:39:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  
Jorge

Both can make very good B&W printers with the right inkset.  As the 1400 is
a current printer you will probably find more ready made profiles for the
newer papers for that printer as well as more recent inksets from either MIS
or Cone.  Lots are available for the 2200 though.

Perhaps the easiest way to make the decision is to consider what, if any,
your needs are for a colour printer.  If you want to print in colour on
glossy papers then I would suggest using the 1400 for colour and converting
the 2200 to B&W.  If you only want to produce matte colour prints then I
would use the 2200 for colour as its inkset is very stable with a good gamut
on matte papers.

Of course if you don't need to print colour then why not try both for B&W
with different inksets?

David Whistance

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of JorgeG
Sent: 31 December 2009 15:31
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

Folks,
Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W
printer.

I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has
very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus
Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189.

Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer,
or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of
converting either one to be a B&W printer?

Your input is greatly appreciated.

Jorge

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by Jorge Gaj

Ken,

Thank you very much for your input. 

I have to print Paul's articles soon!!!!! He has lots of information and I need to get educated quickly. If I understand correctly, you purchased the refillable cartson Ebay, and you are planning to use Paul Roark's 3MK approach using only 100% Eboni?

Thanks,

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@surewest.net







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From: kwalsh74 <kwalsh74@yahoo.com>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:51:35 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  


Hi Jorge,

I had a $189 Epson 1400 on my front porch just last evening.  Sitting next to me now, not quite out of the box yet.  Hurray for Amazon!  Anyway, my refillable carts are showing up today I think and then I can start to play.  No 13x19 paper about just yet though :(.

Anywho, I am by no means anything like an expert and my printing experience is limited, but I would advocate for converting the 1400 to B&W and keeping the 2200 on color for two reasons. 

The first reason is based on your color print longevity, namely the 1400 uses Claria dye inks which are relatively short lived compared to the UltraChrome pigments that your 2200 uses.  So I think the 2200 is likely the better color printer if print longevity is of any concern.

The second reason is the 1400 has a 1.5pL droplet size and thus allows you to do some great pure carbon (no toning pigments) work with just a few dilutions.  You can even do really great prints using Paul Roark's 3MK approach using only 100% Eboni.  Alternatively you can get a bit smoother highlights with just one more dilution (the 2% dilution which is the Y channel in the EB-6 ink set).  This keeps your ink costs way down, just two inks to buy and you get stunning prints that also are easier to keep neutral as it is the middle dilutions of Eboni that are the warmest.  I have used this 3MK-Y approach on a R280 (which is a 1.5pL narrow carriage printer) and it is very, very nice.

You can pick-up a set of empty auto-reseting- chip carts on E-Bay for about $25 and then you only need to buy one or two dilutions of Eboni from MIS and you are off and running at minimal cost.

Anyway, just my two cents.  There are many folks here with far more experience that can probably chime in.

Ken


 

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by Jorge Gaj

Paul,

Thank you very much for you prompt response.  I'm planning to read many of the articles you have written on printing digital B&W

photographs. 

Thanks,

jorge
 
Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 11:50:08 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  
"JorgeG" <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 
> 
> ... 2200 ... 1400 ...

I currently use the 1400 for my B&W printing up to 13" wide.  I'm using a combination of Eboni-6 (could be Carbon-6) and HP Z3100 PK. 
See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf

MIS's inksets are listed on my index at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ 

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 


 

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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2009-12-31 by kwalsh74

> If I understand correctly, you purchased the refillable cartson Ebay, and you are planning to use Paul Roark's 3MK approach using only 100% Eboni?

Yes, carts from E-bay.  I've purchased from the seller "aaadealalways" both this time and previously with my R280.  I was impressed that with the R280 apparently two of the chips were defective and after some debugging on the phone to verify it wasn't something with me/printer he promptly sent out replacements.  He also includes syringes for filling.  If you don't like E-bay, MIS sells empty chipped carts for just a bit more as well.

I've used both the 3MK approach with just 100% Eboni and also an approach Paul used for awhile I think he called 3MK-Y where you use 100% Eboni along with the lightest dilution (the Y channel, around 2% I think).  The idea is that by adding the lightest dilution you get very smooth highlights.  Because of the small droplet size of the 1400 just these two inks can do the job of four or six inks on other printers.  You only have to buy two dilutions, MK and Y which keeps start up costs down (or you can just buy MK and create your own Y dilution using Paul's Carbon-6 approach).

Last year when playing with this I posted some questions for Paul you might find by searching.  He said he had settled (at that time) on making a profile for 3MK and another profile for 3MK-Y and then in QTR actually using a 50/50 blend of these two profiles.  I tried that and was very happy with the results.  Of course by now Paul has moved on to other things - luckily for the rest of us he's always experimenting.

Ken

Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2010-01-01 by jespes

> Do you use QTR and what are your favorite papers to print B&W pics.
> 

Yes, I use QTR with the 2200 and the Piezography K7 inkset. Worked for me right out of the gate with the built-in K7 profiles. 

I use two papers, both pretty standard choices: Hahnemhule Photo Rag and Epson Fine Art Velvet. particularly like the texture of the latter.

FWIW, I also use QTR on a 3800, with the stock Epson Ultrachrome K3 inks. I use that setup when I need to make a print that's larger than the 2200 can produce. For my needs, QTR produces superb b/w prints on both machines, altho the Piezography/K7 setup is my preferred approach. It's hard to explain, but the look is more refined. Some people say three dimensional, which doesn't make sense until you put two side-by-side. "Deeper" might be another word. 

All subjective, obviously. 

Good luck!

RE: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2010-01-01 by David Whistance

Jorge

The original Ultra Chrome inks as used in the 2200 show quite a lot of bronzing on lustre/glossy papers.  You can reduce it with good profiles and/or a RIP but it is always there.  Jon Cone and others now offer K3 (the later version of the Ultra Chrome inks) equivalent inks that can be used in this printer so that might be an option for printing on glossy media although I haven't tried them myself.  You could also sacrifice the light black and replace it with gloss optimiser, however I have found this approach much more difficult to impliment than I first thought.

David Whistance
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  Sent: 31 December 2009 21:56
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200


    
  David,

  Thank you very much for your response. 

  I'm lucky that I'll have two good printers and be able to have one dedicated to B&W and the other one to color printing. 

  I have a question regarding the printing with glossy paper on the 2200. Did you encounter problems printing on glossy paper with the 2200? Most of my printing will be on matte or luster paper. I may be experimenting with new papers in the near future. 
  All of this is fairly new to me. Lots to absorb. The good thing is that I'm retiring in 4 months. 

  Thanks,

  Regards from Sacramento,

  Jorge

  jorgegaj@... or pegasus@...

  ________________________________
  From: David Whistance <david.whistance@...>
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:39:00 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  Jorge

  Both can make very good B&W printers with the right inkset. As the 1400 is
  a current printer you will probably find more ready made profiles for the
  newer papers for that printer as well as more recent inksets from either MIS
  or Cone. Lots are available for the 2200 though.

  Perhaps the easiest way to make the decision is to consider what, if any,
  your needs are for a colour printer. If you want to print in colour on
  glossy papers then I would suggest using the 1400 for colour and converting
  the 2200 to B&W. If you only want to produce matte colour prints then I
  would use the 2200 for colour as its inkset is very stable with a good gamut
  on matte papers.

  Of course if you don't need to print colour then why not try both for B&W
  with different inksets?

  David Whistance

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of JorgeG
  Sent: 31 December 2009 15:31
  To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  Folks,
  Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W
  printer.

  I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has
  very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus
  Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189.

  Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer,
  or shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of
  converting either one to be a B&W printer?

  Your input is greatly appreciated.

  Jorge

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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2010-01-01 by santonov2you

Jorge, if you plan to use MIS inks, I would recommend using 1400 with it, reportedly it works better than 2200. I cannot imagine worse experience than what I had with MIS inks in 2200 -- during several years it was just one semi-permanent clog. Recently I switched to Paul's inkset C6, which works better, but still clogs my printer time to time. Like you I ordered 1400 and plan to convert it to BW printer with C6/HP PK inkset. After that I happily throw 2200 away. 

Sergei

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2010-01-09 by Jorge Gaj

Well folks, I’m now the proud owner of a new Epson Stylus
Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks for my new printer, and I need your
input and advice in how to make the printer a dedicated B&W printer.
I have read some of Paul Roark’s articles on printing
B&W pictures and I have to commend Mr. Roark for great knowledge on the
subject and his kindness in sharing his research with all of us.  In one of his articles he mentioned that “The
most lightfast and tonally stable B&W prints today are made with inksets composed
of 100% carbon pigments…” Further down, in the same article he states “that
only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly – MIS Eboni-based inksets
and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia. 
If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
with no color inks, and I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
inkset.  I’m interested in buying the inks
plus refill cartridges and the chip resetter.   My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only found for sale
the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inset
for sale.
Questions: 
1)      Is the Ebony 6-inkset discontinued and no longer
for sale?
2)      Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?
3)      Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
a.       How is that possible? 
b.      Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
you removed them and leave the slots empty?
4)      What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
discontinued?
5)      And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice in printing
digital B&W photographs?
Folks, thank you very for your
help in this matter.  
jorge
 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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From: Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 2:06:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

  
Paul,

Thank you very much for you prompt response.  I'm planning to read many of the articles you have written on printing digital B&W

photographs. 

Thanks,

jorge

Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@yahoo. com or pegasus@surewest. net

____________ _________ _________ __
From: pr_roark <paul.roark@verizon. net>
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 11:50:08 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

"JorgeG" <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W printer. 
> 
> ... 2200 ... 1400 ...

I currently use the 1400 for my B&W printing up to 13" wide.  I'm using a combination of Eboni-6 (could be Carbon-6) and HP Z3100 PK. 
See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf

MIS's inksets are listed on my index at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ 

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 

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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-09 by pr_roark

Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...> wrote:
>
> ... new Epson Stylus Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks ...

>... only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly 
> â€" MIS Eboni-based inksets and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia.

MIS PK, LK and some other warm MIS glossy compatible inks are also 100% carbon, but they are usually used as channels in variable tone inksets and not sold as complete inksets in and of themselves -- but they could be.

> If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
> ... I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
> inkset.  ...
>  My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only 
> found for sale the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale 
> and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inkset ...

http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=EB6-1400-SET for the pre-loaded Eb6 1400 carts and http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm for bulk ink sales.

MIS wants to be sure customers are coming from this list and have read  my PDFs so they understand the characteristics of this inkset.  The UT14 is often more suitable for beginning B&W printers.

>.. Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT14.pdf

One channel is warm carbon, the other cool blended inks.  All neutral or cool inks are blended.  We have no totally neutral 100% carbon pigment.

> Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
> Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
> a.       How is that possible? 

QuadToneRip can do it.

> b.      Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
> you removed them and leave the slots empty?

I doubt the MIS Eboni cart chip will be compatible with the other OEM chips.  I use Eboni with MIS colors in a 260.

> 4)      What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
> discontinued?

Carbon-6.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf



> 5)      And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
> it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice
> in printing digital B&W photographs?

UT14 is more flexible in terms of paper types and print tones.

I use Eboni-6 with some HP PK in my 1400 now.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf

There are lots of options.

Good luck with the setup.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-10 by Jorge Gaj

Paul,

Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.

As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?

Thanks,

Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







________________________________
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From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:54:22 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

  
Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> ... new Epson Stylus Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks ...

>... only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly 
> â€" MIS Eboni-based inksets and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia.

MIS PK, LK and some other warm MIS glossy compatible inks are also 100% carbon, but they are usually used as channels in variable tone inksets and not sold as complete inksets in and of themselves -- but they could be.

> If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
> ... I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
> inkset. ...
> My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only 
> found for sale the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale 
> and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inkset ...

http://www.inksuppl y.com/product- details.cfm? pn=EB6-1400- SET for the pre-loaded Eb6 1400 carts and http://www.inksuppl y.com/eb6. cfm for bulk ink sales.

MIS wants to be sure customers are coming from this list and have read my PDFs so they understand the characteristics of this inkset. The UT14 is often more suitable for beginning B&W printers.

>.. Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?

See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT14. pdf

One channel is warm carbon, the other cool blended inks. All neutral or cool inks are blended. We have no totally neutral 100% carbon pigment.

> Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
> Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
> a. How is that possible? 

QuadToneRip can do it.

> b. Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
> you removed them and leave the slots empty?

I doubt the MIS Eboni cart chip will be compatible with the other OEM chips. I use Eboni with MIS colors in a 260.

> 4) What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
> discontinued?

Carbon-6. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf

> 5) And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
> it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice
> in printing digital B&W photographs?

UT14 is more flexible in terms of paper types and print tones.

I use Eboni-6 with some HP PK in my 1400 now. See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf

There are lots of options.

Good luck with the setup.

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 




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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-10 by pr_roark

We used to hear that the OEM ink should be used first.  I'm not sure that's true.  I just put in whatever ink I'm going to use, saving the OEM ink for when there is a problem.

With MIS carts, be sure to take off the yellow tab that let air into the cart.  Also, I recommend sitting the carts upright for a day so that any foam that got into the outlet in transit has time to dissipate.  Most "clogs" are not clogs but air and foam.

Good luck with the outfit.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> 
> As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:54:22 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400
> 
> Â  
> Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@ .> wrote:
> >
> > ... new Epson Stylus Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks ...
> 
> >... only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly 
> > â€" MIS Eboni-based inksets and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia.
> 
> MIS PK, LK and some other warm MIS glossy compatible inks are also 100% carbon, but they are usually used as channels in variable tone inksets and not sold as complete inksets in and of themselves -- but they could be.
> 
> > If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
> > ... I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
> > inkset. ...
> > My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only 
> > found for sale the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale 
> > and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inkset ...
> 
> http://www.inksuppl y.com/product- details.cfm? pn=EB6-1400- SET for the pre-loaded Eb6 1400 carts and http://www.inksuppl y.com/eb6. cfm for bulk ink sales.
> 
> MIS wants to be sure customers are coming from this list and have read my PDFs so they understand the characteristics of this inkset. The UT14 is often more suitable for beginning B&W printers.
> 
> >.. Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?
> 
> See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT14. pdf
> 
> One channel is warm carbon, the other cool blended inks. All neutral or cool inks are blended. We have no totally neutral 100% carbon pigment.
> 
> > Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
> > Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
> > a. How is that possible? 
> 
> QuadToneRip can do it.
> 
> > b. Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
> > you removed them and leave the slots empty?
> 
> I doubt the MIS Eboni cart chip will be compatible with the other OEM chips. I use Eboni with MIS colors in a 260.
> 
> > 4) What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
> > discontinued?
> 
> Carbon-6. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
> 
> > 5) And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
> > it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice
> > in printing digital B&W photographs?
> 
> UT14 is more flexible in terms of paper types and print tones.
> 
> I use Eboni-6 with some HP PK in my 1400 now. See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf
> 
> There are lots of options.
> 
> Good luck with the setup.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark. com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-10 by Jorge Gaj

Paul,

Thank you very much for your advice. 

Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 7:36:09 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

  
We used to hear that the OEM ink should be used first.  I'm not sure that's true.  I just put in whatever ink I'm going to use, saving the OEM ink for when there is a problem.

With MIS carts, be sure to take off the yellow tab that let air into the cart.  Also, I recommend sitting the carts upright for a day so that any foam that got into the outlet in transit has time to dissipate.  Most "clogs" are not clogs but air and foam.

Good luck with the outfit.

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> 
> As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: pr_roark <paul.roark@ ...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:54:22 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400
> 
> Â  
> Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@ .> wrote:
> >
> > ... new Epson Stylus Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks ...
> 
> >... only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly 
> > â€" MIS Eboni-based inksets and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia.
> 
> MIS PK, LK and some other warm MIS glossy compatible inks are also 100% carbon, but they are usually used as channels in variable tone inksets and not sold as complete inksets in and of themselves -- but they could be.
> 
> > If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
> > ... I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
> > inkset. ...
> > My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only 
> > found for sale the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale 
> > and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inkset ...
> 
> http://www.inksuppl y.com/product- details.cfm? pn=EB6-1400- SET for the pre-loaded Eb6 1400 carts and http://www.inksuppl y.com/eb6. cfm for bulk ink sales.
> 
> MIS wants to be sure customers are coming from this list and have read my PDFs so they understand the characteristics of this inkset. The UT14 is often more suitable for beginning B&W printers.
> 
> >.. Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?
> 
> See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT14. pdf
> 
> One channel is warm carbon, the other cool blended inks. All neutral or cool inks are blended. We have no totally neutral 100% carbon pigment.
> 
> > Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
> > Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
> > a. How is that possible? 
> 
> QuadToneRip can do it.
> 
> > b. Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
> > you removed them and leave the slots empty?
> 
> I doubt the MIS Eboni cart chip will be compatible with the other OEM chips. I use Eboni with MIS colors in a 260.
> 
> > 4) What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
> > discontinued?
> 
> Carbon-6. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
> 
> > 5) And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
> > it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice
> > in printing digital B&W photographs?
> 
> UT14 is more flexible in terms of paper types and print tones.
> 
> I use Eboni-6 with some HP PK in my 1400 now. See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf
> 
> There are lots of options.
> 
> Good luck with the setup.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark. com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-10 by E.Neilsen

Part of the reason to use OEM inks first is that you want to make sure that the printer is actually working. And the prevailing practice was Epson might refuse to honor your warranty if you had NON OEM inks in your machine. They would not even talk to you about paper alignment issues if you didn't use Epson paper. You can, to some degree, understand that they needed to verify with known materials. As the non OEM inks and papers got better, that stopped being such a concern, but might still be in the fine print.  I'd refer to your printers warranty info and then move forward, unless you know for sure everything works. 

 

There might be an issue with the inks later as they mix on the pad, but it should be very minimal. 

 

Eric 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Gaj
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:52 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

 

  

Paul,

Thank you very much for your advice. 

Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@yahoo. <mailto:jorgegaj%40yahoo.com> com or pegasus@surewest. <mailto:pegasus%40surewest.net> net

________________________________
From: pr_roark <paul.roark@verizon. <mailto:paul.roark%40verizon.net> net>
To: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 7:36:09 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

We used to hear that the OEM ink should be used first. I'm not sure that's true. I just put in whatever ink I'm going to use, saving the OEM ink for when there is a problem.

With MIS carts, be sure to take off the yellow tab that let air into the cart. Also, I recommend sitting the carts upright for a day so that any foam that got into the outlet in transit has time to dissipate. Most "clogs" are not clogs but air and foam.

Good luck with the outfit.

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> 
> As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> jorgegaj@... or pegasus@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: pr_roark <paul.roark@ ...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:54:22 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400
> 
> Â 
> Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@ .> wrote:
> >
> > ... new Epson Stylus Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks ...
> 
> >... only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly 
> > â€" MIS Eboni-based inksets and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia.
> 
> MIS PK, LK and some other warm MIS glossy compatible inks are also 100% carbon, but they are usually used as channels in variable tone inksets and not sold as complete inksets in and of themselves -- but they could be.
> 
> > If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
> > ... I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
> > inkset. ...
> > My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only 
> > found for sale the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale 
> > and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inkset ...
> 
> http://www.inksuppl y.com/product- details.cfm? pn=EB6-1400- SET for the pre-loaded Eb6 1400 carts and http://www.inksuppl y.com/eb6. cfm for bulk ink sales.
> 
> MIS wants to be sure customers are coming from this list and have read my PDFs so they understand the characteristics of this inkset. The UT14 is often more suitable for beginning B&W printers.
> 
> >.. Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?
> 
> See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT14. pdf
> 
> One channel is warm carbon, the other cool blended inks. All neutral or cool inks are blended. We have no totally neutral 100% carbon pigment.
> 
> > Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
> > Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
> > a. How is that possible? 
> 
> QuadToneRip can do it.
> 
> > b. Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
> > you removed them and leave the slots empty?
> 
> I doubt the MIS Eboni cart chip will be compatible with the other OEM chips. I use Eboni with MIS colors in a 260.
> 
> > 4) What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
> > discontinued?
> 
> Carbon-6. See http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf> k.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
> 
> > 5) And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
> > it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice
> > in printing digital B&W photographs?
> 
> UT14 is more flexible in terms of paper types and print tones.
> 
> I use Eboni-6 with some HP PK in my 1400 now. See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf
> 
> There are lots of options.
> 
> Good luck with the setup.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark. com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2010-01-10 by Richard Sintchak

Hi Jorge,

I'm in the same boat as you.  Been using a 2200 for years printing BO with
either MIS Eboni Black or Epson Matte.  Used to be more active on this list,
but been more of a lurker for the last 2-3 years.

After chatting with Clayton, emailing with Paul, and reading a number of
threads here I ordered from Atlex an Epson 1400 and some Alise Museum
Natural about a week ago.  Paper has arrived but the printer was slightly
back-ordered (It's expected to arrive on Monday or Tuesday).  I decided to
go with the Eboni-6 cart set finally finding the link to buy such with
Paul's help.  Seems it's a "special order" item and that will not ship until
next week per the people at MIS.  I thought to go the UT-14 route but I've
used curves with QTR in the past and mostly want my B&W prints to have the
best archival nature I can get.  Plus I like slightly warm prints which
bodes well for me with Eboni-6.

Won't be printing until the new printer and the carts arrive next week but
have been trying the Alise Natural on my 2200 with BO printing using Epson
Photo Matte ink it's a beautiful paper.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 7:31 AM, JorgeG <jorgegaj@...> wrote:

>
>
> Folks,
> Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W
> printer.
>
> I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has
> very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus
> Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189.
>
> Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or
> shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of converting
> either one to be a B&W printer?
>
> Your input is greatly appreciated.
>
> Jorge
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by Jorge Gaj

Eric,

Thank you for your input. Makes sense.  

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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From: E.Neilsen <e.neilsen2@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 8:24:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

  
Part of the reason to use OEM inks first is that you want to make sure that the printer is actually working. And the prevailing practice was Epson might refuse to honor your warranty if you had NON OEM inks in your machine. They would not even talk to you about paper alignment issues if you didn't use Epson paper. You can, to some degree, understand that they needed to verify with known materials. As the non OEM inks and papers got better, that stopped being such a concern, but might still be in the fine print.  I'd refer to your printers warranty info and then move forward, unless you know for sure everything works. 

There might be an issue with the inks later as they mix on the pad, but it should be very minimal. 

Eric 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

www.ericneilsenphot ography.com

skype me with ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jorge Gaj
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:52 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

Paul,

Thank you very much for your advice. 

Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@yahoo. <mailto:jorgegaj% 40yahoo.com> com or pegasus@surewest. <mailto:pegasus% 40surewest. net> net

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To: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlac kandWhiteThePrin t%40yahoogroups. com> eThePrint@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 7:36:09 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

We used to hear that the OEM ink should be used first. I'm not sure that's true. I just put in whatever ink I'm going to use, saving the OEM ink for when there is a problem.

With MIS carts, be sure to take off the yellow tab that let air into the cart. Also, I recommend sitting the carts upright for a day so that any foam that got into the outlet in transit has time to dissipate. Most "clogs" are not clogs but air and foam.

Good luck with the outfit.

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> 
> As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> jorgegaj@... or pegasus@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: pr_roark <paul.roark@ ...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:54:22 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400
> 
> Â 
> Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@ .> wrote:
> >
> > ... new Epson Stylus Photo 1400. It‘s time to purchase inks ...
> 
> >... only two 100% carbon approaches being used regularly 
> > â€" MIS Eboni-based inksets and Inksjetmail K6 carbon sepia.
> 
> MIS PK, LK and some other warm MIS glossy compatible inks are also 100% carbon, but they are usually used as channels in variable tone inksets and not sold as complete inksets in and of themselves -- but they could be.
> 
> > If possible, I’m interested in purchasing 100% carbon inksets,
> > ... I had in mind purchasing the EB6 Carbon Monotone
> > inkset. ...
> > My problem is that when I went to the MIS website I only 
> > found for sale the MIS UT-1400 Ultratone inkset for sale 
> > and didn’t found the Ebony-6 inkset ...
> 
> http://www.inksuppl y.com/product- details.cfm? pn=EB6-1400- SET for the pre-loaded Eb6 1400 carts and http://www.inksuppl y.com/eb6. cfm for bulk ink sales.
> 
> MIS wants to be sure customers are coming from this list and have read my PDFs so they understand the characteristics of this inkset. The UT14 is often more suitable for beginning B&W printers.
> 
> >.. Is the MIS UT-1400 an inkset with added colors?
> 
> See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT14. pdf
> 
> One channel is warm carbon, the other cool blended inks. All neutral or cool inks are blended. We have no totally neutral 100% carbon pigment.
> 
> > Someone mentioned using a single cartridge of
> > Eboni. Only one cartridge to print a B&W photo?
> > a. How is that possible? 
> 
> QuadToneRip can do it.
> 
> > b. Do you keep the color cartridges in place, or
> > you removed them and leave the slots empty?
> 
> I doubt the MIS Eboni cart chip will be compatible with the other OEM chips. I use Eboni with MIS colors in a 260.
> 
> > 4) What other alternatives I have if the Ebony-6 is
> > discontinued?
> 
> Carbon-6. See http://www.paulroar<http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf> k.com/BW-Info/ Ink-Mixing. pdf
> 
> > 5) And if the Ebony-6 inkset is not discontinued, is
> > it the best inkset for me to start with, since I am a novice
> > in printing digital B&W photographs?
> 
> UT14 is more flexible in terms of paper types and print tones.
> 
> I use Eboni-6 with some HP PK in my 1400 now. See http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Eb1400. pdf
> 
> There are lots of options.
> 
> Good luck with the setup.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark. com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

2010-01-11 by Jorge Gaj

Hi Richard,

Thank you very much for your response.  It seems that you have experience using the 2200 with BO using  MIS Eboni Black or Epson Matte. I played just a little with my 2200 using the Epson Matte, and finally I have decided to use my new 1400 as a dedicated B&W printer. For starters, I will buy and use the UT-14. After I feel comfortable using that inkset I'll see if I move the the Ebony-6.  Let me know how it works out with your new printer and the Ebony-6 inks. 

I'm glad that you also shared your happiness using Alise Museum Natural. I was thinking of buying some other papers. I have had the Epson Enhance Matte Paper for a while, and wanted to try some of the new papers in the market. Maybe, I buy a packet and try it. 

How did you printed with BO on the 2200 using the MIS Eboni Black? you insert this cartridge in first slot, and leave the color ones in place? Do you use MIS color inks? How does it work?

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

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From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 9:09:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400 or 2200

Hi Jorge,

I'm in the same boat as you.  Been using a 2200 for years printing BO with
either MIS Eboni Black or Epson Matte.  Used to be more active on this list,
but been more of a lurker for the last 2-3 years.

After chatting with Clayton, emailing with Paul, and reading a number of
threads here I ordered from Atlex an Epson 1400 and some Alise Museum
Natural about a week ago.  Paper has arrived but the printer was slightly
back-ordered (It's expected to arrive on Monday or Tuesday).  I decided to
go with the Eboni-6 cart set finally finding the link to buy such with
Paul's help.  Seems it's a "special order" item and that will not ship until
next week per the people at MIS.  I thought to go the UT-14 route but I've
used curves with QTR in the past and mostly want my B&W prints to have the
best archival nature I can get.  Plus I like slightly warm prints which
bodes well for me with Eboni-6.

Won't be printing until the new printer and the carts arrive next week but
have been trying the Alise Natural on my 2200 with BO printing using Epson
Photo Matte ink it's a beautiful paper.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 7:31 AM, JorgeG <jorgegaj@...> wrote:

>
>
> Folks,
> Soon, I need to make a decision of which printer will became my B&W
> printer.
>
> I own an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 for more than a couple years, which has
> very little use. A couple days ago I placed an order on a new Epson Stylus
> Photo 1400, since the price was right, $189.
>
> Now, I need your advice. Shall I make the 2200 my dedicated B&W printer, or
> shall I convert the new 1400? What will be the pros and cons of converting
> either one to be a B&W printer?
>
> Your input is greatly appreciated.
>
> Jorge
>
>  
>


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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by pr_roark

"E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Part of the reason to use OEM inks first is that you want to make sure that the printer is actually working. And the prevailing practice was Epson might refuse to honor your warranty if you had NON OEM inks in your machine. ...

You might put the OEM inks in after the others didn't work.  Epson probably could not tell the difference.  You can even rinse off the pads if you want.  

In an actually defective printer situation I had what they did is just ask me what the product numbers were on the carts.  I read them the product #s off their carts.  They said that as OK, ship the printer back *without the carts in it.*  I did.  They shipped a second new printer with another set of new carts.  So, I ended up with 2 nice sets of Epson inks.  (No, I didn't then sell them on eBay, but I've thought about it.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by John Slaughterbeck

Same with me,  I have an R2880 that wouldn't feed paper.  When they sent me
the new one, the instructions said to ship without carts, or accessories.  I
also gained a new set of carts.
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pr_roark
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:26 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

 

  

"E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Part of the reason to use OEM inks first is that you want to make sure
that the printer is actually working. And the prevailing practice was Epson
might refuse to honor your warranty if you had NON OEM inks in your machine.
...

You might put the OEM inks in after the others didn't work. Epson probably
could not tell the difference. You can even rinse off the pads if you want. 

In an actually defective printer situation I had what they did is just ask
me what the product numbers were on the carts. I read them the product #s
off their carts. They said that as OK, ship the printer back *without the
carts in it.* I did. They shipped a second new printer with another set of
new carts. So, I ended up with 2 nice sets of Epson inks. (No, I didn't then
sell them on eBay, but I've thought about it.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com





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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by E.Neilsen

This was within the large format circles. I think that changed within a few
years. Note I said "was".  Sorry if that wasn't clear. 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

 

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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Slaughterbeck
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

 

  

Same with me, I have an R2880 that wouldn't feed paper. When they sent me
the new one, the instructions said to ship without carts, or accessories. I
also gained a new set of carts.

From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pr_roark
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:26 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

"E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Part of the reason to use OEM inks first is that you want to make sure
that the printer is actually working. And the prevailing practice was Epson
might refuse to honor your warranty if you had NON OEM inks in your machine.
...

You might put the OEM inks in after the others didn't work. Epson probably
could not tell the difference. You can even rinse off the pads if you want. 

In an actually defective printer situation I had what they did is just ask
me what the product numbers were on the carts. I read them the product #s
off their carts. They said that as OK, ship the printer back *without the
carts in it.* I did. They shipped a second new printer with another set of
new carts. So, I ended up with 2 nice sets of Epson inks. (No, I didn't then
sell them on eBay, but I've thought about it.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by Granger

I bought a new 1400 and used the UT-14 inkset right out of the box.  No problems at all.
Granger

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...> wrote:
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>
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> 
> As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by Jorge Gaj

Hopefully I won't have any problems with my new printer and won't have to worry about having to return it. Does anyone know if the Black and White UT14 Cartridges for the Epson 1400 are reusable? The description says that the cartridge comes with Auto Reset chip and UT14 ink, but I'm not sure if I can refill them after they are empty. 

Thanks,

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...







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From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 5:25:34 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

  
"E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@ ...> wrote:
>
> Part of the reason to use OEM inks first is that you want to make sure that the printer is actually working. And the prevailing practice was Epson might refuse to honor your warranty if you had NON OEM inks in your machine. ...

You might put the OEM inks in after the others didn't work.  Epson probably could not tell the difference.  You can even rinse off the pads if you want. 

In an actually defective printer situation I had what they did is just ask me what the product numbers were on the carts.  I read them the product #s off their carts.  They said that as OK, ship the printer back *without the carts in it.*  I did.  They shipped a second new printer with another set of new carts.  So, I ended up with 2 nice sets of Epson inks.  (No, I didn't then sell them on eBay, but I've thought about it.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com


 

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by Jorge Gaj

Granger,

Did you buy the cartridges already filled with the ink or did you buy empty cartridges and filled them yourself?

Thanks,

jg

 Regards from Sacramento,

Jorge

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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 6:07:02 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

  
I bought a new 1400 and used the UT-14 inkset right out of the box.  No problems at all.
Granger

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@.. .> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> 
> As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge


 

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[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-11 by pr_roark

Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...> wrote:
>
> ... Does anyone know if the Black and White UT14 Cartridges for the Epson 1400 are reusable? ...

The last ones I saw were refillable.  The reservoir stopper might be flush with the top of the cart.  So, save the stopper used for the air intake if it has a tab on it for pulling it out.  The others come out easily with a jeweler's screwdriver used to pry them out.  I'm not sure exactly what MIS is shipping now, however.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-12 by frankbickelmeyer

Hello,

as i am interested too in the epson 1400, i have another question: 

if want to start BO, can i use the epson oem colour inks in their position and just install the MIS MK. Should that work?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
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>
> Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@> wrote:
> >
> > ... Does anyone know if the Black and White UT14 Cartridges for the Epson 1400 are reusable? ...
> 
> The last ones I saw were refillable.  The reservoir stopper might be flush with the top of the cart.  So, save the stopper used for the air intake if it has a tab on it for pulling it out.  The others come out easily with a jeweler's screwdriver used to pry them out.  I'm not sure exactly what MIS is shipping now, however.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-12 by pr_roark

> if want to start BO, can i use the epson oem colour inks in their position and just install the MIS MK. Should that work?


My experience with the 260 is that this will not work.  The cart chips from MIS and Epson are not compatible with each other.  The set must be consistent.  

However, I've asked MIS whether they have any way to do this. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-12 by Granger

I bought a fairly cheap set of empty cartridges on ebay that I filled myself with the MIS inks.
good luck!
granger

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...> wrote:
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>
> Granger,
> 
> Did you buy the cartridges already filled with the ink or did you buy empty cartridges and filled them yourself?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> jg
> 
>  Regards from Sacramento,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> jorgegaj@...  or pegasus@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Granger <grangermacy@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 6:07:02 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400
> 
>   
> I bought a new 1400 and used the UT-14 inkset right out of the box.  No problems at all.
> Granger
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> > 
> > Thank you very much for your prompt response.  Since I'm getting back to photography maybe it is best for me to get started with the UT-14 inkset. Maybe, later on, I can experiment with other inksets.
> > 
> > As I unpack the new 1400 and install the software, can I wait and insert the new UT-14 cartridges, or do I first need to insert the color cartridges, initilize the printer and the insert the B&W cartridges?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Regards from Sacramento,
> > 
> > Jorge
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-14 by frankbickelmeyer

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> 
> My experience with the 260 is that this will not work.  The cart chips from MIS and Epson are not compatible with each other.  The set must be consistent.  
> 
> However, I've asked MIS whether they have any way to do this. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Does that mean i have to install 5 colour inks from MIS and the MIS Eboni that i will be able to print black only?

And how long will the coloured inks last, since i don´t print in colour? Am i right if i suppose that the coloured inks won´t be used at all, or just for cleaning circles i guess?

Re: Dedicated B&W printer - Epson 1400

2010-01-14 by pr_roark

"frankbickelmeyer" <bickelmeyer@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Does that mean i have to install 5 colour inks from MIS and 
> the MIS Eboni that i will be able to print black only?

Yes, I think so.  In my 260 I have MIS K4 color inks, including Eboni.  You'll probably have to load your own.  Also, the profiles required for the MIS color pigments are substantially different than the Claria profiles.


> And how long will the coloured inks last, since i don´t 
> print in colour?

If you don't print color, don't load them.

> Am i right if i suppose that the coloured inks won´t be used 
> at all, or just for cleaning circles i guess?

For black only the 1400 requires QTR.  In that case, the color won't be used.  The 1400 Epson driver can't do a black only.  It'll use the colors -- and not look good.

I think there are some on this list who just use Eboni in black only or 3-MK black only in the 1400 and then just load clear fluid into the other positions.  You can easily mix your own clear fluid.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf  Even the simplest version would be fine for keeping the inkjet printer from drying out.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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