Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio.  Now,  
everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is.  The sound  
keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling, popping  
and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity lights of  
the MOTU.  I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828  
until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no problems.

Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know  
what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting  
the core audio separately from Logic might help.

I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and Spectrasonics  
RMX.  Do I need DAE or TDM?

Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I  
turn around.  I almost bought another audio interface until I realized  
there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.

Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm  
desperate.  I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out  
with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to gamble  
their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.

Regards,



T

Just to chime in, ever since Logic 8 came out, it drops my Motu 828 suddenly as well. I get 
crackles and pops [probably looking  sync rate] the interface flashes from 44k to 48k and 
gets "stuck'. Sometimes a re-boot helps, sometimes not. Some days it works, some days 
it doesn't. I also use the Motu 828 for my audio out on the mac [watching quicktime, 
streaming iTunes music] the problem happens ONLY in Logic 8. There is not patch [yet?] 
on the Motu site. It's possible that the 828 is unsupported or a low priority since they 
released their newer boxes..

-Man Parrish



--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:

>
> Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio.  Now,  
> everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is.  The sound  
> keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling, popping  
> and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity lights of  
> the MOTU.  I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828  
> until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no problems.
> 
> Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know  
> what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting  
> the core audio separately from Logic might help.
> 
> I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and Spectrasonics  
> RMX.  Do I need DAE or TDM?
> 
> Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I  
> turn around.  I almost bought another audio interface until I realized  
> there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.
> 
> Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm  
> desperate.  I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out  
> with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to gamble  
> their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> T
>

Thanks, Man.

So, you're telling me it only happens with the MOTU 828--not with any  
of their other interfaces?  On one hand, though irritating, I have  
been able to co-exist with this problem; but on the other, it  
certainly doesn't sound professional and it is maddening that I  
sometimes have to sit there and wait for a reboot or something.  I'd  
hate to spend anything on another interface but I'm wondering how  
important it is to get rid of this popping and cracking.  I just did a  
string session and had to make the musicians go back for only one take  
---it really wasn't a big deal.

t


On May 16, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Man Parrish wrote:

> Just to chime in, ever since Logic 8 came out, it drops my Motu 828  
> suddenly as well. I get
> crackles and pops [probably looking sync rate] the interface flashes  
> from 44k to 48k and
> gets "stuck'. Sometimes a re-boot helps, sometimes not. Some days it  
> works, some days
> it doesn't. I also use the Motu 828 for my audio out on the mac  
> [watching quicktime,
> streaming iTunes music] the problem happens ONLY in Logic 8. There  
> is not patch [yet?]
> on the Motu site. It's possible that the 828 is unsupported or a low  
> priority since they
> released their newer boxes..
>
> -Man Parrish
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:
> >
> > Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio. Now,
> > everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is. The sound
> > keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling,  
> popping
> > and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity  
> lights of
> > the MOTU. I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828
> > until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no  
> problems.
> >
> > Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know
> > what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting
> > the core audio separately from Logic might help.
> >
> > I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and  
> Spectrasonics
> > RMX. Do I need DAE or TDM?
> >
> > Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I
> > turn around. I almost bought another audio interface until I  
> realized
> > there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.
> >
> > Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm
> > desperate. I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out
> > with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to  
> gamble
> > their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > T
> >
>
> 



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You know, further thoughts are that it has something to do with intel  
Macs; I never had any of this when I had my G5 ---- and with one huge  
problem after another, I'm SERIOUSLy thinking of going back to my G5.

t



On May 16, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Man Parrish wrote:

> Just to chime in, ever since Logic 8 came out, it drops my Motu 828  
> suddenly as well. I get
> crackles and pops [probably looking sync rate] the interface flashes  
> from 44k to 48k and
> gets "stuck'. Sometimes a re-boot helps, sometimes not. Some days it  
> works, some days
> it doesn't. I also use the Motu 828 for my audio out on the mac  
> [watching quicktime,
> streaming iTunes music] the problem happens ONLY in Logic 8. There  
> is not patch [yet?]
> on the Motu site. It's possible that the 828 is unsupported or a low  
> priority since they
> released their newer boxes..
>
> -Man Parrish
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:
> >
> > Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio. Now,
> > everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is. The sound
> > keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling,  
> popping
> > and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity  
> lights of
> > the MOTU. I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828
> > until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no  
> problems.
> >
> > Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know
> > what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting
> > the core audio separately from Logic might help.
> >
> > I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and  
> Spectrasonics
> > RMX. Do I need DAE or TDM?
> >
> > Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I
> > turn around. I almost bought another audio interface until I  
> realized
> > there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.
> >
> > Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm
> > desperate. I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out
> > with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to  
> gamble
> > their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > T
> >
>
> 



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I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU  
interfaces?  I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want  
more of the same MOTU  problems that I've had with my 828.  Have you  
guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces?  What interfaces  
have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?

Tim

TIm,

With my MOTU 8-pre I sometimes get that going on when certain firewire drives are 
attached.  Some don't cause problems some do. 

My popping and crackle is between the interface and a digital mixer.  But, I'm pretty sure 
it's the firewire variable in the equation that determines whether things go haywire or not.

Maybe that's it for you, maybe not?

Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:

>
> Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio.  Now,  
> everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is.  The sound  
> keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling, popping  
> and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity lights of  
> the MOTU.  I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828  
> until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no problems.
> 
> Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know  
> what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting  
> the core audio separately from Logic might help.
> 
> I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and Spectrasonics  
> RMX.  Do I need DAE or TDM?
> 
> Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I  
> turn around.  I almost bought another audio interface until I realized  
> there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.
> 
> Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm  
> desperate.  I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out  
> with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to gamble  
> their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> T
>

On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

> I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want
> more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have you
> guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What interfaces
> have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
>
> Tim
>

I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few  
problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch Logic  
I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs.  It hasn't  
happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem.  I've  
had none of the other problems people here have described though.

I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828, and  
haven't had any problems with it at all.   Here's my version numbers  
on everything.  Do you have the same setup?

Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
Mac OS 10.4.11
Logic 8.01
MOTU Audio Setup 1.4

Audio Prefs:  16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer

Gregory

I'll certainly try by disconnecting the firewire drives and see f that  
helps.  I''m so desperate that I'm on the point of getting either  
another interface or my old G5 ---

thanks!

T
On May 16, 2008, at 7:03 PM, pete_buchwald wrote:

> TIm,
>
> With my MOTU 8-pre I sometimes get that going on when certain  
> firewire drives are
> attached. Some don't cause problems some do.
>
> My popping and crackle is between the interface and a digital mixer.  
> But, I'm pretty sure
> it's the firewire variable in the equation that determines whether  
> things go haywire or not.
>
> Maybe that's it for you, maybe not?
>
> Pete
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:
> >
> > Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio. Now,
> > everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is. The sound
> > keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling,  
> popping
> > and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity  
> lights of
> > the MOTU. I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828
> > until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no  
> problems.
> >
> > Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know
> > what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting
> > the core audio separately from Logic might help.
> >
> > I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and  
> Spectrasonics
> > RMX. Do I need DAE or TDM?
> >
> > Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I
> > turn around. I almost bought another audio interface until I  
> realized
> > there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.
> >
> > Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm
> > desperate. I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out
> > with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to  
> gamble
> > their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > T
> >
>
> 



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Hi I would check out the RME or Matric Halo products. They both maintain the support of their drivers and build excellent hardware. 
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On May 16, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

> Thanks, Man.
>
> So, you're telling me it only happens with the MOTU 828

Are you guys talking about the first 828, the 828 MK II, or the new  
828 MK III??

Thanks,

Jeff

I'm having problems with the MOTU 828, ie, the very first 828.


On May 16, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:

>
> On May 16, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Man.
> >
> > So, you're telling me it only happens with the MOTU 828
>
> Are you guys talking about the first 828, the 828 MK II, or the new
> 828 MK III??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
> 



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Hey Greg,

I have close but not the same:
Mac Mini  1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
Mac OS 10.5.2
Logic 8.0.1
MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7

I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the problem...someone  
told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.   
Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm willing  
---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at  
all---to try anything.

Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do.  Is there  
something else I can use?

T



On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:

>
> On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want
> > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have you
> > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What interfaces
> > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
> problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch Logic
> I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
> happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem. I've
> had none of the other problems people here have described though.
>
> I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828, and
> haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version numbers
> on everything. Do you have the same setup?
>
> Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
> Mac OS 10.4.11
> Logic 8.01
> MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
>
> Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
>
> Gregory
>
> 



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Hi list, I posted about this a few weeks ago and no-one popped up with  
exactly the same problem, though this all seems related.

I've had problems with an Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface since I  
upgraded to an Intel Mac Pro, using Leopard.

The interface causes a Kernel panic if switched on after the Mac is  
on, or when the Mac comes out of sleep and the FA-101 is already on.

I was not able to figure whether this was an Intel Mac or Leopard  
issue. I found a thread on the Apple Forums (I think) which suggested  
that it was a 'known issue' that was caused by a combination of both.  
I'm hoping that The coming 10.5.3 upgrade will sort us all out!

By the way, I have an original Motu 2408 interface and PCI card,  
rescued out of my old G4 AGP, and am pretty sure that it will not be  
compatible with the Mac Pro. Is it still possible to obtain compatible
PCI cards separately?

Thanks!


On 17 May 2008, at 09:17, Tim McLane wrote:

> Hey Greg,
>
> I have close but not the same:
> Mac Mini 1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
> Mac OS 10.5.2
> Logic 8.0.1
> MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7
>
> I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the problem...someone
> told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.
> Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm willing
> ---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at
> all---to try anything.
>
> Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do. Is there
> something else I can use?
>
> T
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> > > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want
> > > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have you
> > > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What  
> interfaces
> > > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> >
> > I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
> > problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch  
> Logic
> > I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
> > happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem. I've
> > had none of the other problems people here have described though.
> >
> > I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828, and
> > haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version numbers
> > on everything. Do you have the same setup?
> >
> > Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
> > Mac OS 10.4.11
> > Logic 8.01
> > MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
> >
> > Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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I totally think it's Leopard.  My first solution would be to move  
back to Tiger and see what happens.  I haven't tried Leopard yet, but  
have heard of many glitches using it.  That's definitely cheaper than  
getting a G5 or new interface, and is the only real difference  
between our setups.  No way the mini is too small.  These intel  
machines are so overpowered it's ridiculous.  I have an iMac with  
original Core Duo, and it runs everything I throw at it.  Switch back  
to Tiger immediately and I'll bet your probs go away.

Gregory

On May 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Tim McLane wrote:

> Hey Greg,
>
> I have close but not the same:
> Mac Mini 1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
> Mac OS 10.5.2
> Logic 8.0.1
> MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7
>
> I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the problem...someone
> told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.
> Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm willing
> ---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at
> all---to try anything.
>
> Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do. Is there
> something else I can use?
>
> T
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> > > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want
> > > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have you
> > > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What  
> interfaces
> > > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> >
> > I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
> > problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch  
> Logic
> > I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
> > happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem. I've
> > had none of the other problems people here have described though.
> >
> > I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828, and
> > haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version numbers
> > on everything. Do you have the same setup?
> >
> > Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
> > Mac OS 10.4.11
> > Logic 8.01
> > MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
> >
> > Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Hi, I may be totally off track here, but, when I upped from 7 to 8
there were various problems with files and structures used by 7 that
are not deleted by 8, but are replaced by other directories. This
would be fine except that some of the core audio and midi stuff looks
at the old 7 files, which caused a few problems until I'd found and
deleted them. The other thing that springs to mind is any drivers -
always worth checking that the latest drivers (relevant to the device
and the operating system) are installed.One other thing, a previosu
post mentioned soemthing about sample rate locking; perhaps a word
clock interface issue? Hope you find the holy grail. I'm using MOTU
2408 with Tascam DM-24 and G5 Dual and it runs faultlessly.

Good luck,
Gil Gillian


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> wrote:

>
> I totally think it's Leopard.  My first solution would be to move  
> back to Tiger and see what happens.  I haven't tried Leopard yet, but  
> have heard of many glitches using it.  That's definitely cheaper than  
> getting a G5 or new interface, and is the only real difference  
> between our setups.  No way the mini is too small.  These intel  
> machines are so overpowered it's ridiculous.  I have an iMac with  
> original Core Duo, and it runs everything I throw at it.  Switch back  
> to Tiger immediately and I'll bet your probs go away.
> 
> Gregory
> 
> On May 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
> 
> > Hey Greg,
> >
> > I have close but not the same:
> > Mac Mini 1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
> > Mac OS 10.5.2
> > Logic 8.0.1
> > MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7
> >
> > I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the problem...someone
> > told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.
> > Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm willing
> > ---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at
> > all---to try anything.
> >
> > Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do. Is there
> > something else I can use?
> >
> > T
> >
> > On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> > > > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want
> > > > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have you
> > > > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What  
> > interfaces
> > > > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
> > > problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch  
> > Logic
> > > I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
> > > happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem. I've
> > > had none of the other problems people here have described though.
> > >
> > > I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828, and
> > > haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version numbers
> > > on everything. Do you have the same setup?
> > >
> > > Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
> > > Mac OS 10.4.11
> > > Logic 8.01
> > > MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
> > >
> > > Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
> > >
> > > Gregory
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Leopard --- I think you're convicted!  I have heard this from a number  
of people, so it looks like downgrading to Tiger will be top on my  
agenda.

Thanks.


t
On May 17, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Gregory Anderson wrote:

> I totally think it's Leopard. My first solution would be to move
> back to Tiger and see what happens. I haven't tried Leopard yet, but
> have heard of many glitches using it. That's definitely cheaper than
> getting a G5 or new interface, and is the only real difference
> between our setups. No way the mini is too small. These intel
> machines are so overpowered it's ridiculous. I have an iMac with
> original Core Duo, and it runs everything I throw at it. Switch back
> to Tiger immediately and I'll bet your probs go away.
>
> Gregory
>
> On May 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > Hey Greg,
> >
> > I have close but not the same:
> > Mac Mini 1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
> > Mac OS 10.5.2
> > Logic 8.0.1
> > MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7
> >
> > I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the problem...someone
> > told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.
> > Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm  
> willing
> > ---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at
> > all---to try anything.
> >
> > Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do. Is there
> > something else I can use?
> >
> > T
> >
> > On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> > > > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't  
> want
> > > > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have  
> you
> > > > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What
> > interfaces
> > > > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
> > > problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch
> > Logic
> > > I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
> > > happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem. I've
> > > had none of the other problems people here have described though.
> > >
> > > I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828,  
> and
> > > haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version numbers
> > > on everything. Do you have the same setup?
> > >
> > > Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
> > > Mac OS 10.4.11
> > > Logic 8.01
> > > MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
> > >
> > > Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
> > >
> > > Gregory
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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Actually, I never had problems when I went from 7 to 8.  I did check  
all the drivers and to be accurate, it solved a number of problems --- 
unfortunately not the big one: the MOTU.  So, I'll try Tiger and see  
if that works.

Thanks.

t
On May 17, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Gil Gillian wrote:

> Hi, I may be totally off track here, but, when I upped from 7 to 8
> there were various problems with files and structures used by 7 that
> are not deleted by 8, but are replaced by other directories. This
> would be fine except that some of the core audio and midi stuff looks
> at the old 7 files, which caused a few problems until I'd found and
> deleted them. The other thing that springs to mind is any drivers -
> always worth checking that the latest drivers (relevant to the device
> and the operating system) are installed.One other thing, a previosu
> post mentioned soemthing about sample rate locking; perhaps a word
> clock interface issue? Hope you find the holy grail. I'm using MOTU
> 2408 with Tascam DM-24 and G5 Dual and it runs faultlessly.
>
> Good luck,
> Gil Gillian
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > I totally think it's Leopard. My first solution would be to move
> > back to Tiger and see what happens. I haven't tried Leopard yet, but
> > have heard of many glitches using it. That's definitely cheaper than
> > getting a G5 or new interface, and is the only real difference
> > between our setups. No way the mini is too small. These intel
> > machines are so overpowered it's ridiculous. I have an iMac with
> > original Core Duo, and it runs everything I throw at it. Switch back
> > to Tiger immediately and I'll bet your probs go away.
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> > On May 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Greg,
> > >
> > > I have close but not the same:
> > > Mac Mini 1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
> > > Mac OS 10.5.2
> > > Logic 8.0.1
> > > MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7
> > >
> > > I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the  
> problem...someone
> > > told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.
> > > Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm  
> willing
> > > ---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at
> > > all---to try anything.
> > >
> > > Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do. Is there
> > > something else I can use?
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
> > > > > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't  
> want
> > > > > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828.  
> Have you
> > > > > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What
> > > interfaces
> > > > > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
> > > > problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch
> > > Logic
> > > > I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
> > > > happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem.  
> I've
> > > > had none of the other problems people here have described  
> though.
> > > >
> > > > I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old  
> 828, and
> > > > haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version  
> numbers
> > > > on everything. Do you have the same setup?
> > > >
> > > > Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
> > > > Mac OS 10.4.11
> > > > Logic 8.01
> > > > MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
> > > >
> > > > Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
> > > >
> > > > Gregory
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Actually mine is happening on my G5 ever since Logic 8.....!
I think its Logic and not the computer hardware. I CAN listen to other stuff like quicktime 
and such. It could also be a system OS [10.5.2] problem, either way, it's apple... lol!



--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:

>
> You know, further thoughts are that it has something to do with intel  
> Macs; I never had any of this when I had my G5 ---- and with one huge  
> problem after another, I'm SERIOUSLy thinking of going back to my G5.
> 
> t
> 
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Man Parrish wrote:
> 
> > Just to chime in, ever since Logic 8 came out, it drops my Motu 828  
> > suddenly as well. I get
> > crackles and pops [probably looking sync rate] the interface flashes  
> > from 44k to 48k and
> > gets "stuck'. Sometimes a re-boot helps, sometimes not. Some days it  
> > works, some days
> > it doesn't. I also use the Motu 828 for my audio out on the mac  
> > [watching quicktime,
> > streaming iTunes music] the problem happens ONLY in Logic 8. There  
> > is not patch [yet?]
> > on the Motu site. It's possible that the 828 is unsupported or a low  
> > priority since they
> > released their newer boxes..
> >
> > -Man Parrish
> >
> > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Until I got my Intel Mac, I had no problems with audio. Now,
> > > everything is haywire and I don't know what the cause is. The sound
> > > keeps cutting off without warning and there is much crackling,  
> > popping
> > > and cutting out which I see reflected in the analog activity  
> > lights of
> > > the MOTU. I thought for a while that it was a problem with the 828
> > > until I noticed that when I used Quicktime or iTunes --- no  
> > problems.
> > >
> > > Then I started getting a Audio Driver Error 25974 --- I don't know
> > > what that means, either, but after searching it seemed that starting
> > > the core audio separately from Logic might help.
> > >
> > > I only have Logic 8, Ivory, MOTU ethno and symphonic and  
> > Spectrasonics
> > > RMX. Do I need DAE or TDM?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions on solving my audio that is cutting out every time I
> > > turn around. I almost bought another audio interface until I  
> > realized
> > > there is probably nothing wrong with the one I have.
> > >
> > > Let me know ---I've been going through this for weeks and I'm
> > > desperate. I've even considered doing the 1on1 thing and hanging out
> > > with one of the Mac Geniuses --- but I don't know if I want to  
> > gamble
> > > their fee vs their knowledge of peripherals.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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>

My similar problem happens and I'm still in OS 10.4

G4 dual
Logic 8
Motu 8Pre 
Yamaha digital mixer (clock)

We're not alone!

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/05/21/10-5-2-causing-mega-problems-for-musicians/#comments

Cheers

Jon



On 17 May 2008, at 09:40, Jon Scordia wrote:

> Hi list, I posted about this a few weeks ago and no-one popped up  
> with exactly the same problem, though this all seems related.
>
> I've had problems with an Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface since I  
> upgraded to an Intel Mac Pro, using Leopard.
>
> The interface causes a Kernel panic if switched on after the Mac is  
> on, or when the Mac comes out of sleep and the FA-101 is already on.
>
> I was not able to figure whether this was an Intel Mac or Leopard  
> issue. I found a thread on the Apple Forums (I think) which  
> suggested that it was a 'known issue' that was caused by a  
> combination of both. I'm hoping that The coming 10.5.3 upgrade will  
> sort us all out!
>
> By the way, I have an original Motu 2408 interface and PCI card,  
> rescued out of my old G4 AGP, and am pretty sure that it will not be  
> compatible with the Mac Pro. Is it still possible to obtain compatible
> PCI cards separately?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On 17 May 2008, at 09:17, Tim McLane wrote:
>
>> Hey Greg,
>>
>> I have close but not the same:
>> Mac Mini 1.83 GHz intel Core 2 Duo
>> Mac OS 10.5.2
>> Logic 8.0.1
>> MOTU Audio set up 1.4.7
>>
>> I"m also thinking that the Leopard OS might be the problem...someone
>> told me that if I downgraded to Tiger, that might solve problems.
>> Maybe the Mac Mini is too small ---I really don't know but I'm  
>> willing
>> ---at this strained point where my studio is almost not working at
>> all---to try anything.
>>
>> Now, if it is the Core audio --- I don't know what to do. Is there
>> something else I can use?
>>
>> T
>>
>> On May 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On May 16, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>> >
>> > > I was wondering: has anyone had any problems with other MOTU
>> > > interfaces? I'm considering the MOTU 828 mkII ---but I don't want
>> > > more of the same MOTU problems that I've had with my 828. Have  
>> you
>> > > guys had any experiences with other MOTU interfaces? What  
>> interfaces
>> > > have worked well for intel Macs AND Logic 8?
>> > >
>> > > Tim
>> > >
>> >
>> > I'm on an intel Mac with Tiger and Logic 8, and I've had a few
>> > problems with Core Audio, where very occasionally when I launch  
>> Logic
>> > I get no sound, and if I launch Audio/Midi it hangs. It hasn't
>> > happened lately, and when it did, a reboot fixed the problem. I've
>> > had none of the other problems people here have described though.
>> >
>> > I usually use my Firepod, but occasionally fire up the old 828, and
>> > haven't had any problems with it at all. Here's my version numbers
>> > on everything. Do you have the same setup?
>> >
>> > Mac Pro 2x2GHz Dual-Core Xeon
>> > Mac OS 10.4.11
>> > Logic 8.01
>> > MOTU Audio Setup 1.4
>> >
>> > Audio Prefs: 16-bit, 44.1kHz, 64 sample buffer
>> >
>> > Gregory
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
>>
>> 
>



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