Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I am planning on using Mainstage at an outdoor event this weekend.   I don't have battery power for 3 hours, so will have to plug into the generator that is provided.  Does anyone see any problems with this?

On a side note, I had followed the thread awhile back about Mainstage missing the first notes after a patch switch, or being slow to respond.  I have seen the same thing, but now have found by rebooting and making sure all other programs are off, the problem goes away.

Mike

Hi, it should be fine. I've done this a number of times. However all electrical supplies should be approached with care. (If in doubt don't die.) My experience is UK based and may not apply anywhere else.
You may wish to check that all elec feeds to the stage are from the same phase, that the generator is fully regulated, and it has been installed professionally with certified earthing. 
Gil Gillian.


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hyland" <hy5@...> wrote:

>
> I am planning on using Mainstage at an outdoor event this weekend.   I don't have battery power for 3 hours, so will have to plug into the generator that is provided.  Does anyone see any problems with this?
> 
> On a side note, I had followed the thread awhile back about Mainstage missing the first notes after a patch switch, or being slow to respond.  I have seen the same thing, but now have found by rebooting and making sure all other programs are off, the problem goes away.
> 
> Mike
>

Also if you can take a couple of small UPS devices along and plug them  
into the generator power and your equipment into them.. That way you  
have surge etc protection and crash protection!!

Small UPS's are not too heavy and although may only last say 5 minutes  
or 10 minutes in a power outage can be a godsend for isolating your  
equipment from power glitches surges etc.  (and that is in any  
situation  nor just outdoor stage situations)

I have a couple of small APC UPS's that are great for the job (each  
not much bigger than a shoe box) .. They have 4 outputs each and work  
brilliantly.
I have used them in live music situations here I have laptops etc  
plugged in to ensure clean power and some crash protection.   Not  
perfect but gives me a lotta peace of mind


Steve Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand
Web:        http://www.singers.org.nz





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Hardware: 24" iMac 2.8Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 320 Gb HDD, 1Tb Ext HDD, 500Gb  
Portable External Drive,
               Broadband & Airport Extreme Wireless Network, M-Audio  
AxiomPro49 Keyboard
Software: OSX v10.5.6 (Leopard), Sibelius 5.2, Logic Studio v8,
               NeoOffice, Firefox, Zotero

On 30/04/2009, at 2:42 AM, Gil Gillian wrote:

>
>
> Hi, it should be fine. I've done this a number of times. However all  
> electrical supplies should be approached with care. (If in doubt  
> don't die.) My experience is UK based and may not apply anywhere else.
> You may wish to check that all elec feeds to the stage are from the  
> same phase, that the generator is fully regulated, and it has been  
> installed professionally with certified earthing.
> Gil Gillian.
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hyland" <hy5@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am planning on using Mainstage at an outdoor event this weekend.  
> I don't have battery power for 3 hours, so will have to plug into  
> the generator that is provided. Does anyone see any problems with  
> this?
> >
> > On a side note, I had followed the thread awhile back about  
> Mainstage missing the first notes after a patch switch, or being  
> slow to respond. I have seen the same thing, but now have found by  
> rebooting and making sure all other programs are off, the problem  
> goes away.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
>
> 



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Ok, guys, thanks for the info.  I'll give it a shot tomorrow.  Now the problem is the weather forecast!!  Wish me luck :)

Mike


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Steve Currington <steve@...> wrote:

>
> Also if you can take a couple of small UPS devices along and plug them  
> into the generator power and your equipment into them.. That way you  
> have surge etc protection and crash protection!!
> 
> Small UPS's are not too heavy and although may only last say 5 minutes  
> or 10 minutes in a power outage can be a godsend for isolating your  
> equipment from power glitches surges etc.  (and that is in any  
> situation  nor just outdoor stage situations)
> 
> I have a couple of small APC UPS's that are great for the job (each  
> not much bigger than a shoe box) .. They have 4 outputs each and work  
> brilliantly.
> I have used them in live music situations here I have laptops etc  
> plugged in to ensure clean power and some crash protection.   Not  
> perfect but gives me a lotta peace of mind
> 
> 
> Steve Currington
> de Composer
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Web:        http://www.singers.org.nz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> Hardware: 24" iMac 2.8Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 320 Gb HDD, 1Tb Ext HDD, 500Gb  
> Portable External Drive,
>                Broadband & Airport Extreme Wireless Network, M-Audio  
> AxiomPro49 Keyboard
> Software: OSX v10.5.6 (Leopard), Sibelius 5.2, Logic Studio v8,
>                NeoOffice, Firefox, Zotero
> 
> On 30/04/2009, at 2:42 AM, Gil Gillian wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi, it should be fine. I've done this a number of times. However all  
> > electrical supplies should be approached with care. (If in doubt  
> > don't die.) My experience is UK based and may not apply anywhere else.
> > You may wish to check that all elec feeds to the stage are from the  
> > same phase, that the generator is fully regulated, and it has been  
> > installed professionally with certified earthing.
> > Gil Gillian.
> >
> > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hyland" <hy5@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am planning on using Mainstage at an outdoor event this weekend.  
> > I don't have battery power for 3 hours, so will have to plug into  
> > the generator that is provided. Does anyone see any problems with  
> > this?
> > >
> > > On a side note, I had followed the thread awhile back about  
> > Mainstage missing the first notes after a patch switch, or being  
> > slow to respond. I have seen the same thing, but now have found by  
> > rebooting and making sure all other programs are off, the problem  
> > goes away.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ok How did it go?

Steve Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand
Web:        http://www.singers.org.nz





-------------------------------------
Hardware: 24" iMac 2.8Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 320 Gb HDD, 1Tb Ext HDD, 500Gb  
Portable External Drive,
               Broadband & Airport Extreme Wireless Network, M-Audio  
AxiomPro49 Keyboard
Software: OSX v10.5.6 (Leopard), Sibelius 5.2, Logic Studio v8,
               NeoOffice, Firefox, Zotero

On 2/05/2009, at 1:11 PM, Mike Hyland wrote:

>
>
> Ok, guys, thanks for the info. I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Now the  
> problem is the weather forecast!! Wish me luck :)
>
> Mike
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Steve Currington <steve@...> wrote:
> >
> > Also if you can take a couple of small UPS devices along and plug  
> them
> > into the generator power and your equipment into them.. That way you
> > have surge etc protection and crash protection!!
> >
> > Small UPS's are not too heavy and although may only last say 5  
> minutes
> > or 10 minutes in a power outage can be a godsend for isolating your
> > equipment from power glitches surges etc. (and that is in any
> > situation nor just outdoor stage situations)
> >
> > I have a couple of small APC UPS's that are great for the job (each
> > not much bigger than a shoe box) .. They have 4 outputs each and  
> work
> > brilliantly.
> > I have used them in live music situations here I have laptops etc
> > plugged in to ensure clean power and some crash protection. Not
> > perfect but gives me a lotta peace of mind
> >
> >
> > Steve Currington
> > de Composer
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Web: http://www.singers.org.nz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> > Hardware: 24" iMac 2.8Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 320 Gb HDD, 1Tb Ext HDD, 500Gb
> > Portable External Drive,
> > Broadband & Airport Extreme Wireless Network, M-Audio
> > AxiomPro49 Keyboard
> > Software: OSX v10.5.6 (Leopard), Sibelius 5.2, Logic Studio v8,
> > NeoOffice, Firefox, Zotero
> >
> > On 30/04/2009, at 2:42 AM, Gil Gillian wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, it should be fine. I've done this a number of times. However  
> all
> > > electrical supplies should be approached with care. (If in doubt
> > > don't die.) My experience is UK based and may not apply anywhere  
> else.
> > > You may wish to check that all elec feeds to the stage are from  
> the
> > > same phase, that the generator is fully regulated, and it has been
> > > installed professionally with certified earthing.
> > > Gil Gillian.
> > >
> > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hyland" <hy5@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am planning on using Mainstage at an outdoor event this  
> weekend.
> > > I don't have battery power for 3 hours, so will have to plug into
> > > the generator that is provided. Does anyone see any problems with
> > > this?
> > > >
> > > > On a side note, I had followed the thread awhile back about
> > > Mainstage missing the first notes after a patch switch, or being
> > > slow to respond. I have seen the same thing, but now have found by
> > > rebooting and making sure all other programs are off, the problem
> > > goes away.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> 



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Steve,

I ended up plugging into a power strip which went straight into the generator.  The generator clicked off once, and we reset the GFCI tabs at the plug site, and everything was fine.  No problem at all, MainStage worked like a charm.  That is a really cool piece of software.  I may go with a UPS next time, just for a little added safety.

Plus, the weather was great and the runners really seemed to like us!  We played for 3 1/2 hours without a break!

Mike

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Mike,

Congrats! I too plan on using MainStage for some live shows this summer, using my MacBook.  What did you use for a stand for your laptop? I'm trying to find something that folds up but can hold a MacBook and Apogee Duet. 

-Doug




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From: Mike and Delonna Hyland <hy5@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 10:18:10 AM
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Re: MainStage power





Steve,

I ended up plugging into a power strip which went straight into the generator.  The generator clicked off once, and we reset the GFCI tabs at the plug site, and everything was fine.  No problem at all, MainStage worked like a charm.  That is a really cool piece of software.  I may go with a UPS next time, just for a little added safety.

Plus, the weather was great and the runners really seemed to like us!  We played for 3 1/2 hours without a break!

Mike   


      

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Glad it went well and was successful.. 

And Yep a UPS is very helpful.. IMHO always an invaluable tool and cheap peace of mind..  I guess you can appreciate why if you lost power.  
At least it was recoverable and all worked fine in the end.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From:	Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike and Delonna Hyland
Sent:	Fri 8/05/2009 3:18 AM
To:	Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Cc:	
Subject:	[Logic_Cafe] Re: MainStage power

Steve,

I ended up plugging into a power strip which went straight into the generator.  The generator clicked off once, and we reset the GFCI tabs at the plug site, and everything was fine.  No problem at all, MainStage worked like a charm.  That is a really cool piece of software.  I may go with a UPS next time, just for a little added safety.

Plus, the weather was great and the runners really seemed to like us!  We played for 3 1/2 hours without a break!

Mike

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related to this thread... I had my first live performance utilizing Mainstage and must say I was a bit nervous, but it went amazingly well and I'm hooked on it.

1) I have a standard 2-tier keyboard stand and on the top shelf I put a 3/4"x10"x48" piece of laminated board. I set my laptop, audio interface and music 'crib' sheets there during performance.  It is easy to transport and setup and gives me enough work surface to get by.
2) Ditto on the power comments.  I bring my own UPS, power strip and heavy duty extension cord.
3) I have no trouble sustaining the final notes of one song and switching patches for the next song.  There was no delay or waiting, it was instantaneous.  That is on either MacBook Pro I've tried it on, one is new with 4GB RAM and the other is about 2 years old.

The only frustration was with the sound tech and it was my fault.  I had my vocals, acoustic guitar, keyboard and on some songs the drum track, all coming out one stereo channel (1-2) of my PreSonus Firebox.  He wasn't able to 'tweak' the individual levels during the performance.  I guess I need to figure out how to set my software channels to come out of different physical channels on the Firebox.

Do most of you do that and if so how?  I only seem to have 3 L/R channels (1-2, 3-4, and 5-6) rather than 6 discrete output channels.  I suspect I have stereo output selected somewhere, but haven't figured out where.

Thanks, 
Bryan Lucas

-----Original Message-----
From: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Currington
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:39 PM
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Logic_Cafe] Re: MainStage power


Glad it went well and was successful.. 

And Yep a UPS is very helpful.. IMHO always an invaluable tool and cheap peace of mind..  I guess you can appreciate why if you lost power.  
At least it was recoverable and all worked fine in the end.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From:	Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike and Delonna Hyland
Sent:	Fri 8/05/2009 3:18 AM
To:	Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Cc:	
Subject:	[Logic_Cafe] Re: MainStage power

Steve,

I ended up plugging into a power strip which went straight into the generator.  The generator clicked off once, and we reset the GFCI tabs at the plug site, and everything was fine.  No problem at all, MainStage worked like a charm.  That is a really cool piece of software.  I may go with a UPS next time, just for a little added safety.

Plus, the weather was great and the runners really seemed to like us!  We played for 3 1/2 hours without a break!

Mike

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Doug,

I put my Mac on a music stand, one of those heavy duty ones that has knobs you can tighten, and tilted it back enough so that I could see the screen.  It was fairly bright out, so I needed to lean in to see the screen clearly.

If I'd taken my firewire interface, that wouldn't have worked so well, but I just took a 1/8" to 1/4" cord from the Mac headphone output (1/8") to a direct box (1/4") and from there to the PA.

Mike

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Mike,

How was the sound quality using the Mac's soundcard? The reason I'm asking is this:

 I just recently bought an Apogee Ensemble, doing an upgrade from a
Duet. The Ensemble has the latest firmware and works flawlessly in
Logic. I'll actually be using a MacBook w/ the Duet for the gigs but
wanted to try MS out on my studio system first.

I opened MS and selected the Rock template. I hit a key on my keyboard
and the acoustic piano patch played perfectly - thru my iMac speaker. I
went into Preferences and selected the Ensemble for Audio input and
output. I hit a note on my keyboard and got a loud clicking noise over
the sound of the (quiet) note. I changed the buffer from 128 to 512 samples and
it got worse. I chose the internal speaker again and it played with no
problem.

I turned AirPort off, closed all other apps, rebooted, opened MS and
chose a blank template. The EP that was present played okay, altho very
quiet. I re-opened the Rock template and got the same clicking noise. I
closed MS, reset the Ensemble, opened Logic and it worked fine. It also
works fine w/ iTunes.

I've got to assume I have something set wrong somewhere. I've yet to try it with the MacBook + Duet, but if I have the same problem it would be good to know that the output from the iMac will sound good enough for a gig. I'll be doing basic classic rock (B-3, Steinway, Rhodes, Moog lead, pads) with 1, possibly 2 controller keyboards. 

-Doug     




________________________________

From: Mike and Delonna Hyland <hy5@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 9:11:17 AM
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Re: MainStage power





Doug,

I put my Mac on a music stand, one of those heavy duty ones that has knobs you can tighten, and tilted it back enough so that I could see the screen.  It was fairly bright out, so I needed to lean in to see the screen clearly.

If I'd taken my firewire interface, that wouldn't have worked so well, but I just took a 1/8" to 1/4" cord from the Mac headphone output (1/8") to a direct box (1/4") and from there to the PA.

Mike   


      

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Doug,

I'm not sure what to tell you about that problem, it sounds odd.  I did think the sound quality coming directly out of the mac (MacBook Pro) was excellent.

At home, I use a firewire interface (Traveler).  If that is hooked up, then the Mac outputs go to the Traveler and sound comes from it.  If the Traveler is not hooked up, the Mac will play out of its own speakers unless I plug in headphones or a 1/8" jack that goes to an amp as I described before.  The Mac never has any difficulty switching between these two scenarios, no clicking as you describe.

Mike

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My old G4 powerbook did. it would hicup everytime i pluged in or took 
out the headphones. no big deal, i just quit doing it during playback. 
I've got a macbook & a macmini now, but haven't tried it

Mike and Delonna Hyland wrote:

>
>
> Doug,
>
> I'm not sure what to tell you about that problem, it sounds odd. I did 
> think the sound quality coming directly out of the mac (MacBook Pro) 
> was excellent.
>
> At home, I use a firewire interface (Traveler). If that is hooked up, 
> then the Mac outputs go to the Traveler and sound comes from it. If 
> the Traveler is not hooked up, the Mac will play out of its own 
> speakers unless I plug in headphones or a 1/8" jack that goes to an 
> amp as I described before. The Mac never has any difficulty switching 
> between these two scenarios, no clicking as you describe.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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