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2005-08-16 by Nick Rothwell
> I think Ableton Live will. But remember that it will probably start at > the beginning of the track everytime you hit start on the P3. That reminds me of a question: does the P3 respect Song Pointer? -- N. -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
2005-08-16 by Nick Rothwell
> Yep. MIDI clock is not really stable enough to sync a DAW from. I was going to say that MIDI sequencers (the software multitrack kind) have been syncing to MIDI clock for years - nay, decades - but I forgot that these days they do audio. I don't see why they shouldn't still sync to MIDI, since I suspect they run their audio soundbites in some kind of constant rate "fire-and-forget" mode - I think Performer has an option for configuring this - and the audio between multiple tracks should be locked in a sample-accurate manner anyway. But having said that, the whole concept of an audio sequencer locked to MIDI feels decidedly iffy. (On the other hand, SMPTE lockup can't be that different, and it often translates down to a MIDI transport protocol in any case.) -- N. -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
2005-08-16 by Julian
With this talk of logic and sync problems earlier... I just want some computer software to multitrack on to. Thats my primary concern. I like the interface of the latter versions of cubase (sx and the like) but most of these type of things will only act as a sync master when using midi clock, not as a sync slave. Now id *really* *much* prefer to use the p3 as the clock master. Does anyone know of any software with a nice interface that will sync to external clock? I believe acid will, but, and please dont ask me exactly why, but i find the unchangeable font that it uses hard to read. Thankyou, Julian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-08-16 by Oakley Sound
> Does anyone know of any software with a nice interface that will sync > to external clock? I think Ableton Live will. But remember that it will probably start at the beginning of the track everytime you hit start on the P3. Demo is fully featured, but no saves, at www.ableton.de Reason syncs nicely to the P3 too, but that particular peice of software won't allow you to record multitrack audio. Yet. Tony
2005-08-16 by Julian
> I think Ableton Live will. But remember that it will probably start at > the beginning of the track everytime you hit start on the P3. Oops - Ableton was the one i was talking about when i actually said acid... It looks as if itll do the job, but i just find it hard to see. I know you learn your way arround things, but its an irritation. Julian
2005-08-16 by Paul Nagle
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:44:28 +0100, "Julian" <julian@22host24.com>
wrote:
>I just want some computer software to multitrack on to. Thats my primary concern.
I gave up on that. I just play now - in one pass - and sod the sync. I
sync stuff later in Wavelab by eye and ear. Works really well
actually.
>I like the interface of the latter versions of cubase (sx and the like) but most of these type of things will only act as a sync master when using midi clock, not as a sync slave.
Yep. MIDI clock is not really stable enough to sync a DAW from.
>Now id *really* *much* prefer to use the p3 as the clock master.
>
>Does anyone know of any software with a nice interface that will sync to external clock? I believe acid will, but, and please dont ask me exactly why, but i find the unchangeable font that it uses hard to read.
Cubase VST does. But if you need audio in your DAW then few more
recent programs will allow this kind of sync...
Paul
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Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com2005-08-16 by Colin f
> That reminds me of a question: does the P3 respect Song Pointer? It ignores it. Since P3 is loop based, with potentially 8 different polyrhythms across its tracks, and self-modification of pattern lengths and positions as well as accumulated offsets on note, velocity and auxes, it would be an arduous task to calculate where everything should be at an arbitrary point during playback. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2005-08-16 by Julian
----- Original Message ----- > Since P3 is loop based, with potentially 8 different polyrhythms across its > tracks, and self-modification of pattern lengths and positions as well as > accumulated offsets on note, velocity and auxes, it would be an arduous task > to calculate where everything should be at an arbitrary point during > playback. Colin, Ill tell you what would be real nice - A menu where you can set the song position, and then whenever the p3s play button is hit the relevent data is sent out simply counting on from this manually set position. When stop is pressed, it just resets to the position set in the menu, and then starts counting on at the correct tempo when play is hit again. That would allow anything to be synced to the p3 fine, would it not? Julian
2005-08-16 by Nick Rothwell
> Since P3 is loop based, with potentially 8 different polyrhythms across its > tracks, and self-modification of pattern lengths and positions as well as > accumulated offsets on note, velocity and auxes, it would be an arduous task > to calculate where everything should be at an arbitrary point during > playback. That's what I thought, but I thought I'd ask. However: since it presumably responds to START (as in: go from 1|1|000) then it has some notion of resetting (in terms of some kind of global bar sync)? I seem to recall from somewhere that it treats CONTINUE as START, so I guess one can record a P3 into a software sequencer just by lining up to some notional first bar line, whereever it might be in the piece. I suppose I'm just going to have to buy a P3 to find out... -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
2005-08-16 by Nick Rothwell
> The 'start on continue' option was requested by a user of some PC sequencing > package for reasons I can't really remember - I think it was sending a > continue when restarting from a bar position. That makes sense; if I were recording a long piece of music, and wanted some hot P3 action from (say) bar 201|1|000, I'd turn that option on, stop the P3, locate to that bar, and hit RECORD... -- N. -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
2005-08-16 by bleep
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Julian wrote: > With this talk of logic and sync problems earlier... > > I just want some computer software to multitrack on to. Thats my > primary concern. ableton live offers some really tight sync... it's even got parameters you can monkey with to make it as tight as possible. bleep. out. --- http://leichenfeld.iuma.com http://thirdwavecollective.com
2005-08-16 by Colin f
> However: since it presumably responds to START (as in: go from > 1|1|000) then it has some notion of resetting (in terms of some kind > of global bar sync)? > > I seem to recall from somewhere that it treats CONTINUE as START, so I > guess one can record a P3 into a software sequencer just by lining up > to some notional first bar line, whereever it might be in the piece. There is an option to treat continue as start, but in normal use, P3 will continue from the global bar position is was stopped at in response to a continue. The 'start on continue' option was requested by a user of some PC sequencing package for reasons I can't really remember - I think it was sending a continue when restarting from a bar position. Not having used a PC based sequencer in anger for years, I'm not too well clued up on their peculiarities. > I suppose I'm just going to have to buy a P3 to find out... Seems like the best idea... Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2005-08-16 by Andy Wilson
Colin Is the 'suspended start' mode still on the TBI list, as discussed back in May 04; where the P3 would track incoming midi clock but would not actually start running until you hit start and then it would start on the next global bar or beat. I'd really like that feature, as currently the P3 always starts each time I hit play on my AW16G multitracker which is set as master. Cheers Andy --- Andy Wilson http://www.techman.synth.net andy@techman.synth.net
2005-08-16 by djparislee
it is true that the P3 will return to Bar 1 every time you hit run... however, if you are in Ableton Live and set a loop point...Ableton will seamlessly loop between these points while your P3 is running the show... Great discovery from last night: if you have Reason running through Rewire...Reason will loop too without problems with the P3 as the master!!! (this is absolutely huge...anyone who is a bigtime Reason user knows that...when syncing to the host software such as Logic or Ableton...Reason will quite often stop once it hits the end of a loop point...i love Reason and this issue was just killing me...it seems using the P3 as the master has solved it!!!) p.s. Within this setup...you can also load software plugs such as Reaktor and it will perfectly sync as well (which as...as you might have guessed by now...also been a problem) What the P3 is doing to my setup is just so splendid! if you are thinking about buying one do it!!
2005-08-16 by Colin f
> Is the 'suspended start' mode still on the TBI list Still on the list, but somewhat obscured by moss. I'll have a think about it... Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com