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A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can the Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4 software handle wide-gamut displays? 
Mark
Ojai, CA
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>>A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can  
the Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too  
hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4  
software handle wide-gamut displays?

Yes, one of the new features in the v4 software is the ability to dim  
displays in software; for Mac displays the software will automatically  
set the display to the desired luminance, and if that targeted  
luminance value is lower than hardware adjustments will cover, it will  
dim the display further in the video LUTs to make up the difference.  
For non-Mac displays, it all works the same except it has you adjust  
the brightness control, instead of the software doing it for you.

Our testing and independent reviews of the new software on wide gamut  
displays both show very good results. David Brooks of Shutterbug (a  
tough critic by any standards) just reviewed it and gave it top  
scores, including on wide gamut. There is a link to his review on our  
website, if you are interested. NorthLight-Images has also been  
testing with good results, and should have a review up soon.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On May 1, 2010, at 4:08 PM, "Mark" <grfx@...> wrote:

> A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can the  
> Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too  
> hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4  
> software handle wide-gamut displays?

Hi C.D,
I just upgraded to the Spyder3Elite with the new 4.0 upgrade. I have a Dell 3008 WFP Rev 03. I'm having a hard time calibrating it. Its the only USB port connection at the time of all calibrations, but I always get very similar results. There is always this pinkish effect on the display. Do you have any ideas? If you have tested this monitot what settings do you recommend in regards to Gamma and brightness as well as RgB settings. Please help me out.

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Aram Melkoumov
President
Identity Apparel Inc.
www.identityapparel.com

On 2010-05-01, at 17:17, Cdtobie <CDTobie@aol.com> wrote:

>>A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can the Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4 software handle wide-gamut displays? 

Yes, one of the new features in the v4 software is the ability to dim displays in software; for Mac displays the software will automatically set the display to the desired luminance, and if that targeted luminance value is lower than hardware adjustments will cover, it will dim the display further in the video LUTs to make up the difference. For non-Mac displays, it all works the same except it has you adjust the brightness control, instead of the software doing it for you.

Our testing and independent reviews of the new software on wide gamut displays both show very good results. David Brooks of Shutterbug (a tough critic by any standards) just reviewed it and gave it top scores, including on wide gamut. There is a link to his review on our website, if you are interested. NorthLight-Images has also been testing with good results, and should have a review up soon.  

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On May 1, 2010, at 4:08 PM, "Mark" <grfx@...> wrote:

A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can the Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4 software handle wide-gamut displays?

>>I just upgraded to the Spyder3Elite with the new 4.0 upgrade. I have a Dell 3008 WFP Rev 03. I'm having a hard time calibrating it. Its the only USB port connection at the time of all calibrations, but I always get very similar results. There is always this pinkish effect on the display. Do you have any ideas? If you have tested this monitot what settings do you recommend in regards to Gamma and brightness as well as RgB settings. Please help me out.

First test would be to calibrate to native white point, and see what result that produces (in terms of perceived color casts). Please use the images in Spyderproof from within Elite to make your visual checks. And see what happens when you toggle between calibrated and uncalibrated states. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On May 1, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Aram Melkoumov <melkoumov@...> wrote:

> I just upgraded to the Spyder3Elite with the new 4.0 upgrade. I have a Dell 3008 WFP Rev 03. I'm having a hard time calibrating it. Its the only USB port connection at the time of all calibrations, but I always get very similar results. There is always this pinkish effect on the display. Do you have any ideas? If you have tested this monitot what settings do you recommend in regards to Gamma and brightness as well as RgB settings. Please help me out.

Hi!
When you say calibrate to native white point, that means just select native in option for white point? I've done that as well as Gamma 2.2 - 6500 recommended and brightness at both 120 and 180. I can see a difference in uncalibrated and calibrated switching,  but its all the same effect no matter what settings i put it at. There is always a pinkish overlay. When u look at bright white it looks pinkish. Please help. Thanks

Sincerely,

Aram Melkoumov
President
Identity Apparel Inc.
www.identityapparel.com

On 2010-05-01, at 19:19, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

>>I just upgraded to the Spyder3Elite with the new 4.0 upgrade. I have a Dell 3008 WFP Rev 03. I'm having a hard time calibrating it. Its the only USB port connection at the time of all calibrations, but I always get very similar results. There is always this pinkish effect on the display. Do you have any ideas? If you have tested this monitot what settings do you recommend in regards to Gamma and brightness as well as RgB settings. Please help me out.

First test would be to calibrate to native white point, and see what result that produces (in terms of perceived color casts). Please use the images in Spyderproof from within Elite to make your visual checks. And see what happens when you toggle between calibrated and uncalibrated states. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On May 1, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Aram Melkoumov <melkoumov@...> wrote:

I just upgraded to the Spyder3Elite with the new 4.0 upgrade. I have a Dell 3008 WFP Rev 03. I'm having a hard time calibrating it. Its the only USB port connection at the time of all calibrations, but I always get very similar results. There is always this pinkish effect on the display. Do you have any ideas? If you have tested this monitot what settings do you recommend in regards to Gamma and brightness as well as RgB settings. Please help me out.

On May 3, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Aram Melkoumov wrote:

> When you say calibrate to native white point, that means just select  
> native in option for white point? I've done that as well as Gamma  
> 2.2 - 6500 recommended and brightness at both 120 and 180. I can see  
> a difference in uncalibrated and calibrated switching,  but its all  
> the same effect no matter what settings i put it at. There is always  
> a pinkish overlay. When u look at bright white it looks pinkish.

If toggling the calibration on and off, and calibrating to a defined  
and a native whitepoint all produce a pink cast, to your eye, then its  
not the calibration thats  causing it. It may be the profile, however.  
So send me a profile to the email address below, and I'll take a look  
at it. You will probably have to go to the datacolor website, and put  
in a support ticket....

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...

On Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Aram wrote:

>Hi!
>When you say calibrate to native white point, that means just select native in option for white point? I've done that as well as Gamma 2.2 - 6500 recommended and brightness at both 120 and 180. I can see a difference in uncalibrated and calibrated switching,  but its all the same effect no matter what settings i put it at. There is always a pinkish overlay. When u look at bright white it looks pinkish. Please help. Thanks
>

May I join this thread? First, could I clarify how to install Spyder3
Elite4 upgrade? I bought my Studio SR kit just over a month ago so
qualify for (and have received) my free upgrade serial number.

After first installing the software from the CD I have updated that
software so that I presently have Spyder3 Elite 3.1.4 and
Spyder3PrintSR 4.1.1 installed.

Do I need to uninstall the previous software before installing the
latest version of Elite, or can I install "over the top"? I take it
that any existing profiles are undisturbed?

Like Aram though, I have a monitor colour cast problem after
calibration - in my case a "greenish yellow". I've repeated the
calibration many times with the same result. I'd like to install the
version 4 software to see if that resolves the issue.

Kind regards

John Gruffydd

Mold, Wales, UK

hey,
i had the same issues before and after upgrading to 4.0 software.
i've played around with RGB settings and Kelvin, it helped a bit but colors are still not true. i have this reddish/pinkish effect after calibration. when i restore my dell 3008wfp to factory settings it goes away.

Sincerely,

Aram Melkoumov
President
Identity Apparel Inc.
www.identityapparel.com

On 2010-05-03, at 12:26, john@... wrote:

On Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Aram wrote:

>Hi!
>When you say calibrate to native white point, that means just select native in option for white point? I've done that as well as Gamma 2.2 - 6500 recommended and brightness at both 120 and 180. I can see a difference in uncalibrated and calibrated switching, but its all the same effect no matter what settings i put it at. There is always a pinkish overlay. When u look at bright white it looks pinkish. Please help. Thanks
>

May I join this thread? First, could I clarify how to install Spyder3
Elite4 upgrade? I bought my Studio SR kit just over a month ago so
qualify for (and have received) my free upgrade serial number.

After first installing the software from the CD I have updated that
software so that I presently have Spyder3 Elite 3.1.4 and
Spyder3PrintSR 4.1.1 installed.

Do I need to uninstall the previous software before installing the
latest version of Elite, or can I install "over the top"? I take it
that any existing profiles are undisturbed?

Like Aram though, I have a monitor colour cast problem after
calibration - in my case a "greenish yellow". I've repeated the
calibration many times with the same result. I'd like to install the
version 4 software to see if that resolves the issue.

Kind regards

John Gruffydd

Mold, Wales, UK

I would encourage you to put in a supper ticket as well...

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On May 3, 2010, at 12:26 PM, john@... wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Aram wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> When you say calibrate to native white point, that means just  
>> select native in option for white point? I've done that as well as  
>> Gamma 2.2 - 6500 recommended and brightness at both 120 and 180. I  
>> can see a difference in uncalibrated and calibrated switching,  but  
>> its all the same effect no matter what settings i put it at. There  
>> is always a pinkish overlay. When u look at bright white it looks  
>> pinkish. Please help. Thanks
>>
>
> May I join this thread? First, could I clarify how to install Spyder3
> Elite4 upgrade? I bought my Studio SR kit just over a month ago so
> qualify for (and have received) my free upgrade serial number.
>
> After first installing the software from the CD I have updated that
> software so that I presently have Spyder3 Elite 3.1.4 and
> Spyder3PrintSR 4.1.1 installed.
>
> Do I need to uninstall the previous software before installing the
> latest version of Elite, or can I install "over the top"? I take it
> that any existing profiles are undisturbed?
>
> Like Aram though, I have a monitor colour cast problem after
> calibration - in my case a "greenish yellow". I've repeated the
> calibration many times with the same result. I'd like to install the
> version 4 software to see if that resolves the issue.
>
> Kind regards
>
> John Gruffydd
>
> Mold, Wales, UK
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi,
I recently got a new monitor (Nec MultiSync PA241w) and calibrated it with Spyder3Elite4.  Now have excellent screen to print match using Spider3Print.  My old Eizo is now part of a dual monitor display.  It has a definite pink cast and in the past has caused me no little trouble getting profiles (print) to work.  Since adding the Nec, I have visually matched the two to the Nec and both now allow good monitor to print matching.  The following is an explanation I found on the Nec SpectraView website.  I do not profess to be an expert in color management, but this helped me. (And getting a new monitor)

"Question: I'm using two different displays and calibrating both to the same target, however the white points do not match exactly. What can I do to improve this?
Answer: This issue can be caused by the different spectral outputs of the two displays causing the human eye to see color differences differently than the color sensor used to calibrate the displays. In this case the numerical measurements from the color sensor are identical on both displays, but they do not visually match. Manually visually matching one display to another can usually avoid this issue."

HTH

Paul 

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

>
> I would encourage you to put in a supper ticket as well...
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On May 3, 2010, at 12:26 PM, john@... wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Aram wrote:
> >
> >> Hi!
> >> When you say calibrate to native white point, that means just  
> >> select native in option for white point? I've done that as well as  
> >> Gamma 2.2 - 6500 recommended and brightness at both 120 and 180. I  
> >> can see a difference in uncalibrated and calibrated switching,  but  
> >> its all the same effect no matter what settings i put it at. There  
> >> is always a pinkish overlay. When u look at bright white it looks  
> >> pinkish. Please help. Thanks
> >>
> >
> > May I join this thread? First, could I clarify how to install Spyder3
> > Elite4 upgrade? I bought my Studio SR kit just over a month ago so
> > qualify for (and have received) my free upgrade serial number.
> >
> > After first installing the software from the CD I have updated that
> > software so that I presently have Spyder3 Elite 3.1.4 and
> > Spyder3PrintSR 4.1.1 installed.
> >
> > Do I need to uninstall the previous software before installing the
> > latest version of Elite, or can I install "over the top"? I take it
> > that any existing profiles are undisturbed?
> >
> > Like Aram though, I have a monitor colour cast problem after
> > calibration - in my case a "greenish yellow". I've repeated the
> > calibration many times with the same result. I'd like to install the
> > version 4 software to see if that resolves the issue.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > John Gruffydd
> >
> > Mold, Wales, UK
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

On Mon, 03 May 2010 19:52:04 -0000, Paul wrote:


>"Question: I'm using two different displays and calibrating both to the same target, however the white points do not match exactly. What can I do to improve this?
>Answer: This issue can be caused by the different spectral outputs of the two displays causing the human eye to see color differences differently than the color sensor used to calibrate the displays. In this case the numerical measurements from the color sensor are identical on both displays, but they do not visually match. Manually visually matching one display to another can usually avoid this issue."
>
>HTH
>
>Paul 

That would make a lot of sense - I can well appreciate the scientific
reasons for this. It then makes one wonder whether there are similar
anomalies between the spectral reflectivity of different ink
formulations that are "visually" the same. I'm sure there are,
especially when the substrate (paper) is factored in too. And the
spectral output of the viewing illuminant not being the same as the
one in the spectrometer...and...and.... :-0

Perhaps we worry too much!! I spent hundreds, thousands even, of hours
in a darkroom, processing my own colour prints. I soon learned that a
colour analyser was a guide rather than an absolute assessment - the
*eyes* had it in the end!


John Gruffydd

Mold, Wales, UK

Hi,

I'm having this same problem on my Dell 2709W screen. After calibration with the new software I notice a distinct warmer (read magenta/pinkish) case to the spyder proof images... I have raised a ticket already but has anyone come up with a solution of of interest?

I did notice on the ambient light analysis screen a white point of 5800 was suggested rather than the 6500 which I thought was standard (and have been using for a long while) for photo editing work...

Thanks
Rick

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Aram Melkoumov <melkoumov@...> wrote:

>
> Hi C.D,
> I just upgraded to the Spyder3Elite with the new 4.0 upgrade. I have a Dell 3008 WFP Rev 03. I'm having a hard time calibrating it. Its the only USB port connection at the time of all calibrations, but I always get very similar results. There is always this pinkish effect on the display. Do you have any ideas? If you have tested this monitot what settings do you recommend in regards to Gamma and brightness as well as RgB settings. Please help me out.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Aram Melkoumov
> President
> Identity Apparel Inc.
> www.identityapparel.com
> 
> On 2010-05-01, at 17:17, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> 
> >>A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can the Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4 software handle wide-gamut displays? 
> 
> Yes, one of the new features in the v4 software is the ability to dim displays in software; for Mac displays the software will automatically set the display to the desired luminance, and if that targeted luminance value is lower than hardware adjustments will cover, it will dim the display further in the video LUTs to make up the difference. For non-Mac displays, it all works the same except it has you adjust the brightness control, instead of the software doing it for you.
> 
> Our testing and independent reviews of the new software on wide gamut displays both show very good results. David Brooks of Shutterbug (a tough critic by any standards) just reviewed it and gave it top scores, including on wide gamut. There is a link to his review on our website, if you are interested. NorthLight-Images has also been testing with good results, and should have a review up soon.  
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On May 1, 2010, at 4:08 PM, "Mark" <grfx@...> wrote:
> 
> A couple of questions came up on a thread at dpreview.com :  Can the Spyder3Elite 4 turn down luminance on monitors that are "too hot" (such as many 20/24" Glossy iMacs). And can the Spyder3Elite 4 software handle wide-gamut displays?
>