Disklavier

In posting my reply above, it made me think about the functionality 
of my piano that I had questions about.

I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It has 
always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, here's 
what happens.

I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent system.  
There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.

Now here is the strange part.

If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds come 
out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use the 
silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the 
speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of the "silent" 
system).

Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?

I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I climb 
under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the Yamaha 
technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the silent 
system is on (arrggh).

Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent disklavier 
function this way?

just wondering.

Brian

Brian,

I have a DC3A with the Silent System.  When you plug a set of headphones 
into the headphone jack of the unit mounted under the lower left of your 
disklavier's keyboard, the external speakers will not sound but you will 
hear the digitally sampled piano only through your headphones.  You can 
adjust the volume with the headphone volume control.  Unplug the 
headphones and the sampled piano will sound through your external 
speakers mounted beneath the piano.

Tom

bdpotts wrote:

>In posting my reply above, it made me think about the functionality 
>of my piano that I had questions about.
>
>I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It has 
>always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, here's 
>what happens.
>
>I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent system.  
>There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.
>
>Now here is the strange part.
>
>If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds come 
>out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use the 
>silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the 
>speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of the "silent" 
>system).
>
>Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?
>
>I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I climb 
>under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the Yamaha 
>technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the silent 
>system is on (arrggh).
>
>Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent disklavier 
>function this way?
>
>just wondering.
>
>Brian
>
>  
>

Tom,

Thanks for the reply.

The way you describe it is the way I believe it should work.

I have the DC2S and it doesn't work that way.   When I plug in the 
headphones I still hear the sampled sounds out of the speaker.

Does anyone else have a DC2S (or a DC3S, I imagine it would function 
the same way) and could they confirm how the silent system operates.

Thanks

Brian

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@n...> wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> I have a DC3A with the Silent System.  When you plug a set of 
headphones 
> into the headphone jack of the unit mounted under the lower left of 
your 
> disklavier's keyboard, the external speakers will not sound but you 
will 
> hear the digitally sampled piano only through your headphones.  You 
can 
> adjust the volume with the headphone volume control.  Unplug the 
> headphones and the sampled piano will sound through your external 
> speakers mounted beneath the piano.
> 
> Tom
> 
> bdpotts wrote:
> 
> >In posting my reply above, it made me think about the 
functionality 
> >of my piano that I had questions about.
> >
> >I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It has 
> >always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, here's 
> >what happens.
> >
> >I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent 
system.  
> >There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.
> >
> >Now here is the strange part.
> >
> >If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds 
come 
> >out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use the 
> >silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the 
> >speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of the "silent" 
> >system).
> >
> >Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?
> >
> >I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I 
climb 
> >under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the Yamaha 
> >technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the 
silent 
> >system is on (arrggh).
> >
> >Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent 
disklavier 

> >function this way?
> >
> >just wondering.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >  
> >

There are 2 things you can try.  Both use the Function key. Under Piano 
Part, where it says Import File L=01 R=(whatever), set the second line to 
PianoPart ESBL Out=OFF (instead of ON).

Or, use the Function key, and select MIDI Out, then set ESBL to something 
other than Out.  You can even set MIDI Out=KBD Out to Off.

Are you speakers connected to the amplifier that controls the headphones, or 
are they connected to the L audio connector on the back of the control box?

I am assuming you have a MarkIIXG DKV.

Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...





>From: "bdpotts" <bdpotts@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Disklavier functionality
>Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:57:54 -0000
>
>In posting my reply above, it made me think about the functionality
>of my piano that I had questions about.
>
>I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It has
>always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, here's
>what happens.
>
>I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent system.
>There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.
>
>Now here is the strange part.
>
>If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds come
>out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use the
>silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the
>speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of the "silent"
>system).
>
>Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?
>
>I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I climb
>under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the Yamaha
>technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the silent
>system is on (arrggh).
>
>Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent disklavier
>function this way?
>
>just wondering.
>
>Brian
>


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Carol,

First, thanks for your response.  I read it yesterday but wanted to 
try this and get details before responding.

I tried both things that you recommended.  In fact, the options were 
set to what you recommended already...  However I did try changing 
them around.

I examined all the connections and read through the "silent operation 
manual" and here are my findings.

I do have a Mark IIXG disklavier.  The control unit (on the right) is 
a DKC500R.  On the left, of course, is the silent control unit.

The speaker is plugged into the "Aux out" of the silent control 
unit.  There isn't really anyplace on teh control unit to plug in the 
speaker.  This quote is from the silent operation manual...

"with Disklavier Silent/Pro series, the OUTPUT R,L/MONO connectors 
have been replaced with AUX OUT,IN connectors on the Silent Control 
Box"

The silent operation manual goes on to explain that you can use the 
silent system and the speaker to play quietly.  The instructions 
state the headphones should NOT be plugged into the silent control 
box in order to do this.

It never specifically states that by plugging the headphones in the 
speaker should be shut off, but it certainly seems to be implied.

Is anyone aware of someone at Yamaha that I can confirm how this is 
supposed to operate?

Thanks again Carol (and anyone else who replies)

Brian


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> 
wrote:
> There are 2 things you can try.  Both use the Function key. Under 
Piano 
> Part, where it says Import File L=01 R=(whatever), set the second 
line to 
> PianoPart ESBL Out=OFF (instead of ON).
> 
> Or, use the Function key, and select MIDI Out, then set ESBL to 
something 
> other than Out.  You can even set MIDI Out=KBD Out to Off.
> 
> Are you speakers connected to the amplifier that controls the 
headphones, or 
> are they connected to the L audio connector on the back of the 
control box?
> 
> I am assuming you have a MarkIIXG DKV.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> crbrpt@b...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "bdpotts" <bdpotts@a...>
> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [disklavier] Disklavier functionality
> >Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:57:54 -0000
> >
> >In posting my reply above, it made me think about the functionality
> >of my piano that I had questions about.
> >
> >I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It has
> >always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, here's
> >what happens.
> >
> >I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent system.
> >There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.
> >
> >Now here is the strange part.
> >
> >If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds come
> >out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use the
> >silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the
> >speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of the "silent"
> >system).
> >
> >Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?
> >
> >I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I 
climb
> >under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the Yamaha
> >technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the 
silent

> >system is on (arrggh).
> >
> >Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent disklavier
> >function this way?
> >
> >just wondering.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> 
> 
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It is SO hard to keep up with all the different models!  My latest suspicion 
is that if you have headphones plugged into to the Silent feature box, the 
sound will no longer go through the speakers while the headphones are 
plugged in. It won't hurt to try this.

In some ways, this is a great advantage.  This would mean that if you were 
trying to have a dinner party conversation in the same room while your piano 
was playing, the volume could be infinitely turned down on the synthesized 
sounds coming out the speakers.


Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...


>From: "bdpotts" <bdpotts@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier functionality
>Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:45:49 -0000
>
>"with Disklavier Silent/Pro series, the OUTPUT R,L/MONO connectors
>have been replaced with AUX OUT,IN connectors on the Silent Control
>Box"
>
>The silent operation manual goes on to explain that you can use the
>silent system and the speaker to play quietly.  The instructions
>state the headphones should NOT be plugged into the silent control
>box in order to do this.
>
>It never specifically states that by plugging the headphones in the
>speaker should be shut off, but it certainly seems to be implied.
>
>Is anyone aware of someone at Yamaha that I can confirm how this is
>supposed to operate?
>
>Thanks again Carol (and anyone else who replies)
>
>Brian
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...>
>wrote:
> > There are 2 things you can try.  Both use the Function key. Under
>Piano
> > Part, where it says Import File L=01 R=(whatever), set the second
>line to
> > PianoPart ESBL Out=OFF (instead of ON).
> >
> > Or, use the Function key, and select MIDI Out, then set ESBL to
>something
> > other than Out.  You can even set MIDI Out=KBD Out to Off.
> >
> > Are you speakers connected to the amplifier that controls the
>headphones, or
> > are they connected to the L audio connector on the back of the
>control box?
> >
> > I am assuming you have a MarkIIXG DKV.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> > crbrpt@b...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "bdpotts" <bdpotts@a...>
> > >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [disklavier] Disklavier functionality
> > >Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:57:54 -0000
> > >
> > >In posting my reply above, it made me think about the functionality
> > >of my piano that I had questions about.
> > >
> > >I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It has
> > >always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, here's
> > >what happens.
> > >
> > >I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent system.
> > >There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.
> > >
> > >Now here is the strange part.
> > >
> > >If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds come
> > >out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use the
> > >silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the
> > >speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of the "silent"
> > >system).
> > >
> > >Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?
> > >
> > >I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I
>climb
> > >under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the Yamaha
> > >technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the
>silent
> > >system is on (arrggh).
> > >
> > >Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent disklavier
> > >function this way?
> > >
> > >just wondering.
> > >
> > >Brian
> > >
> >
> >
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Carol,

What you mention is EXACTLY what I want.

Silent system on, headphones plugged in = speakers off 

Silent system on, headphones NOT plugged in = speakers on

The problem right now is that the speaker is always on, even with the 
headphones plugged in.  As I mentioned in the first post, every time 
I want to practice silently I have to climb under the grand and shut 
off the speakers.

I guess I'd like to do 2 things.
1. Confirm the way the silent system on a grand is supposed to operate
2. Try to get mine fixed if this is not the way it's designed.

Brian


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> 
wrote:
> It is SO hard to keep up with all the different models!  My latest 
suspicion 
> is that if you have headphones plugged into to the Silent feature 
box, the 
> sound will no longer go through the speakers while the headphones 
are 
> plugged in. It won't hurt to try this.
> 
> In some ways, this is a great advantage.  This would mean that if 
you were 
> trying to have a dinner party conversation in the same room while 
your piano 
> was playing, the volume could be infinitely turned down on the 
synthesized 
> sounds coming out the speakers.
> 
> 
> Carol Beigel
> crbrpt@b...
> 
> 
> >From: "bdpotts" <bdpotts@a...>
> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier functionality
> >Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:45:49 -0000
> >
> >"with Disklavier Silent/Pro series, the OUTPUT R,L/MONO connectors
> >have been replaced with AUX OUT,IN connectors on the Silent Control
> >Box"
> >
> >The silent operation manual goes on to explain that you can use the
> >silent system and the speaker to play quietly.  The instructions
> >state the headphones should NOT be plugged into the silent control
> >box in order to do this.
> >
> >It never specifically states that by plugging the headphones in the
> >speaker should be shut off, but it certainly seems to be implied.
> >
> >Is anyone aware of someone at Yamaha that I can confirm how this is
> >supposed to operate?
> >
> >Thanks again Carol (and anyone else who replies)
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >
> >--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > There are 2 things you can try.  Both use the Function key. 
Under
> >Piano
> > > Part, where it says Import File L=01 R=(whatever), set the 
second
> >line to
> > > PianoPart ESBL Out=OFF (instead of ON).
> > >
> > > Or, use the Function key, and select MIDI Out, then set ESBL to
> >something
> > > other than Out.  You can even set MIDI Out=KBD Out to Off.
> > >
> > > Are you speakers connected to the amplifier that controls the
> >headphones, or
> > > are they connected to the L audio connector on the back of the
> >control box?
> > >
> > > I am assuming you have a MarkIIXG DKV.
> > >
> > > Carol Beigel
> > > crbrpt@b...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "bdpotts" <bdpotts@a...>
> > > >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [disklavier] Disklavier functionality
> > > >Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:57:54 -0000
> > > >
> > > >In posting my reply above, it made me think about the 
functionality
> > > >of my piano that I had questions about.
> > > >
> > > >I have a C2 grand with the disklavier and silent system.  It 
has
> > > >always seemed strange the way the silent system functions, 
here's
> > > >what happens.
> > > >
> > > >I turn on the disklavier and press the button on the silent 
system.
> > > >There is a brief humm while the silent bar moves into position.
> > > >
> > > >Now here is the strange part.
> > > >
> > > >If I just start playing the piano, the sythesized piano sounds 
come
> > > >out of the speaker under the piano.  Every time I want to use 
the
> > > >silent system I have to climb under the piano and shut off the
> > > >speaker (otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of 
the "silent"
> > > >system).
> > > >
> > > >Could this actually be the way Yamaha designed this system?
> > > >
> > > >I've lived with this for about 3 1/2 years now and every time I
> >climb
> > > >under the piano I try to think of a new way to torture the 
Yamaha
> > > >technician that couldn't get the speaker to shut off when the
> >silent
> > > >system is on (arrggh).
> > > >
> > > >Is there something I am missing?  Does everyone's silent 
disklavier
> > > >function this way?
> > > >
> > > >just wondering.
> > > >
> > > >Brian
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
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Good morning, everyone.

In response to Brians' questions about the silent audio system (below):

I have a MarkIIXG vintage Disklavier Pro. Its setup is essentially the same 
as yours, at least as far as the sound generation issues are concerned.

With Disklaviers that do not have the silent system, the tone generator is in 
the control unit. When there is a silent system, the tone generator is 
located inside the piano and its outputs are available on the little box the 
sits underneath the bass keys.

On my Disklavier, the use of the headphone jack does not affect the output of 
the speaker system. In my case, I do not have speakers mounted underneath the 
piano. Instead, the audio output is run through an external amplifier into my 
speaker system.

So, if I want to kill the output of the speakers, I turn off the amplifier to 
my external sound system OR I reach behind the little audio box underneath 
the bass keys and pull out the audio cable from AUX  Out.

Regards,
PianoBench

In a message dated 5/7/03 11:54:11 AM, bdpotts@... writes:

<< Carol,


First, thanks for your response.  I read it yesterday but wanted to 

try this and get details before responding.


I tried both things that you recommended.  In fact, the options were 

set to what you recommended already...  However I did try changing 

them around.


I examined all the connections and read through the "silent operation 

manual" and here are my findings.


I do have a Mark IIXG disklavier.  The control unit (on the right) is 

a DKC500R.  On the left, of course, is the silent control unit.


The speaker is plugged into the "Aux out" of the silent control 

unit.  There isn't really anyplace on teh control unit to plug in the 

speaker.  This quote is from the silent operation manual...


"with Disklavier Silent/Pro series, the OUTPUT R,L/MONO connectors 

have been replaced with AUX OUT,IN connectors on the Silent Control 

Box"


The silent operation manual goes on to explain that you can use the 

silent system and the speaker to play quietly.  The instructions 

state the headphones should NOT be plugged into the silent control 

box in order to do this.


It never specifically states that by plugging the headphones in the 

speaker should be shut off, but it certainly seems to be implied.


Is anyone aware of someone at Yamaha that I can confirm how this is 

supposed to operate?


Thanks again Carol (and anyone else who replies)


Brian >>

Pianobench,

Thanks for the post.  At lease you confirmed that someone else has a 
silent system that operates like mine.

I bought mine when the silent system was relatively new. From the 
response Tom Wheeler gave (he has a DC3A) it sounds like they may 
have corrected this.

Pulling the "AUX" plug out is a good idea except that my amplified 
speaker gives off a big "buzzzzzz" sound when you pull the plug.

Oh well, luckily I'm still "young" enough to climb under our grand 
each night that I want to practice with the silent system on.

Brian



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, PianoBench@a... wrote:
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> In response to Brians' questions about the silent audio system 
(below):
> 
> I have a MarkIIXG vintage Disklavier Pro. Its setup is essentially 
the same 
> as yours, at least as far as the sound generation issues are 
concerned.
> 
> With Disklaviers that do not have the silent system, the tone 
generator is in 
> the control unit. When there is a silent system, the tone generator 
is 
> located inside the piano and its outputs are available on the 
little box the 
> sits underneath the bass keys.
> 
> On my Disklavier, the use of the headphone jack does not affect the 
output of 
> the speaker system. In my case, I do not have speakers mounted 
underneath the 
> piano. Instead, the audio output is run through an external 
amplifier into my 
> speaker system.
> 
> So, if I want to kill the output of the speakers, I turn off the 
amplifier to 
> my external sound system OR I reach behind the little audio box 
underneath 
> the bass keys and pull out the audio cable from AUX  Out.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> In a message dated 5/7/03 11:54:11 AM, bdpotts@a... writes:
> 
> << Carol,
> 
> 
> First, thanks for your response.  I read it yesterday but wanted to 
> 
> try this and get details before responding.
> 
> 
> I tried both things that you recommended.  In fact, the options 
were 
> 
> set to what you recommended already...  However I did try changing 
> 
> them around.
> 
> 
> I examined all the connections and read through the "silent 
operation 
> 
> manual" and here are my findings.
> 
> 
> I do have a Mark IIXG disklavier.  The control unit (on the right) 
is 
> 
> a DKC500R.  On the left, of course, is the silent control unit.
> 
> 
> The speaker is plugged into the "Aux out" of the silent control 
> 
> unit.  There isn't really anyplace on teh control unit to plug in 
the 

> 
> speaker.  This quote is from the silent operation manual...
> 
> 
> "with Disklavier Silent/Pro series, the OUTPUT R,L/MONO connectors 
> 
> have been replaced with AUX OUT,IN connectors on the Silent Control 
> 
> Box"
> 
> 
> The silent operation manual goes on to explain that you can use the 
> 
> silent system and the speaker to play quietly.  The instructions 
> 
> state the headphones should NOT be plugged into the silent control 
> 
> box in order to do this.
> 
> 
> It never specifically states that by plugging the headphones in the 
> 
> speaker should be shut off, but it certainly seems to be implied.
> 
> 
> Is anyone aware of someone at Yamaha that I can confirm how this is 
> 
> supposed to operate?
> 
> 
> Thanks again Carol (and anyone else who replies)
> 
> 
> Brian >>