Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi...
Anybody knowing about both machines???

I suppose the MachineDrum has a more wild range of sounds thanks to its 4
synth architecture. And as gavin Cook said: The MD is more for electro
sounds... is this right?
Has the MD a Modulation Matrix???
If yes... How many Matrix lines???

And the Rack Attack is more pure Analog sound right??? As it uses
substractive synthesis and common analog waveforms to generate sound.
Well i am wondering finaly if the RA can do most of the sounds of the MD???

so many questions... i know... but because it is an important choice to
make.

I already have some feedback but not enough...
Thank you guys.
Take care,
Moreno

Moreno,

To try and help with your choice, I'll first give you some background info 
on myself. I've been using the Roland TR-Series quite intensively for years 
now. Although they're basically just 'preset'-boxes, I like the 
programming, and the hands-on control over virtually every parameter. 
Besides the Roland's, I am a big fan of Old Simmons Drumsynths, which are 
by no means 'preset'-boxes.. and offer a wide variety of sounds with a huge 
range of control.

I owned a RackAttack for about two weeks. I bought it because I was 
instantly convinced by its sound. It is powerful, and can really cut 
through a mix like butter. The downside is the control, because you hardly 
have any. The well-known Micro-Q interface is just not for me. And building 
drumsounds from scratch is not my thing either. At least not by toggling, 
switching and selecting things from cryptic menu's.

I have also had a chance to play with the MD for a couple of hours. And 
again.. the sound blew me away! I had a 909 with me to compare the two, but 
the MD was ever so more powerful (but then again... don't be fooled by 
that.. it's how it sounds in the mix that really counts). The MD has a 
full-featured TR-style sequencer (the RA has not). There's more controls 
than on the RA, but there's still a lot of menu's to plough through to get 
to all the settings (I guess there's just too many of them.. ).

If it is a staight one-to-one choice between the two.. don't even bother 
about the RackAttack.. and get yourself an MD. But even the MD has some 
downsides to it. Many of which have been discussed on this very list already.

Anyway.. I hope my considerations can be of help.

Cheers,

CraZ


At 11:49 2002.09.10, you wrote:
>Hi...
>Anybody knowing about both machines???
>
>I suppose the MachineDrum has a more wild range of sounds thanks to its 4
>synth architecture. And as gavin Cook said: The MD is more for electro
>sounds... is this right?
>Has the MD a Modulation Matrix???
>If yes... How many Matrix lines???
>
>And the Rack Attack is more pure Analog sound right??? As it uses
>substractive synthesis and common analog waveforms to generate sound.
>Well i am wondering finaly if the RA can do most of the sounds of the MD???
>
>so many questions... i know... but because it is an important choice to
>make.
>
>I already have some feedback but not enough...
>Thank you guys.
>Take care,
>Moreno
>
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Hi!
I would prefer the MD, too. And next try the Attack-Plugin. Attack is 
also great as an plugin and easier to program (more knobs) than the 
Rackversion. If you want Hardware, i would also prefer a Q-Rack or 
microQ rather then the Attack, because they are also able produce very 
nice drumsounds... ( i don't know about microQ, but my Q-Rack is able 
to create drummap (each key a diffrent drumsound)).
But MD is really a killer and i do not like to miss it anymore. It 
inspirate me and the sequencer is very usefull for me...
Stefan

First of all, guys... THANK YOU SO MUCH.

It is realy difficult for me to make a choice as i have to make the right
decision.
When i buy a machine, i wish i would never sell it back. Apparently there
are a lot of parameters to edit in the MD. I was fearing that it wasn't the
case.

Thanks again Craz, Kraken and Private-Joy.

Take care you all... and i am happy to say I'M WITH MACHINEDRUM!  =; )
Anybody selling one in Europe???............HA HA HA Loooool... =; D

Moreno


> Moreno,
>
> To try and help with your choice, I'll first give you some
> background info
> on myself. I've been using the Roland TR-Series quite intensively
> for years
> now. Although they're basically just 'preset'-boxes, I like the
> programming, and the hands-on control over virtually every parameter.
> Besides the Roland's, I am a big fan of Old Simmons Drumsynths, which are
> by no means 'preset'-boxes.. and offer a wide variety of sounds
> with a huge
> range of control.
>
> I owned a RackAttack for about two weeks. I bought it because I was
> instantly convinced by its sound. It is powerful, and can really cut
> through a mix like butter. The downside is the control, because
> you hardly
> have any. The well-known Micro-Q interface is just not for me.
> And building
> drumsounds from scratch is not my thing either. At least not by toggling,
> switching and selecting things from cryptic menu's.
>
> I have also had a chance to play with the MD for a couple of hours. And
> again.. the sound blew me away! I had a 909 with me to compare
> the two, but
> the MD was ever so more powerful (but then again... don't be fooled by
> that.. it's how it sounds in the mix that really counts). The MD has a
> full-featured TR-style sequencer (the RA has not). There's more controls
> than on the RA, but there's still a lot of menu's to plough
> through to get
> to all the settings (I guess there's just too many of them.. ).
>
> If it is a staight one-to-one choice between the two.. don't even bother
> about the RackAttack.. and get yourself an MD. But even the MD has some
> downsides to it. Many of which have been discussed on this very
> list already.
>
> Anyway.. I hope my considerations can be of help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> CraZ
>
>
> At 11:49 2002.09.10, you wrote:
> >Hi...
> >Anybody knowing about both machines???
> >
> >I suppose the MachineDrum has a more wild range of sounds thanks to its 4
> >synth architecture. And as gavin Cook said: The MD is more for electro
> >sounds... is this right?
> >Has the MD a Modulation Matrix???
> >If yes... How many Matrix lines???
> >
> >And the Rack Attack is more pure Analog sound right??? As it uses
> >substractive synthesis and common analog waveforms to generate sound.
> >Well i am wondering finaly if the RA can do most of the sounds
> of the MD???
> >
> >so many questions... i know... but because it is an important choice to
> >make.
> >
> >I already have some feedback but not enough...
> >Thank you guys.
> >Take care,
> >Moreno
> >
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Yeah the Microq also has drum maps. ALthough i havent tried to 
program drum sounds with it yet, the presets show its capabilaties ie 
good. I prefer the microq over the Rack Attack for its more broad 
usage, it is wicked. Back to the Machinedrum, it is versatile, though 
not as broad as the Rackattack when it comes to programming sounds. 
You cant fail to make drum sounds with the Machinedrum, though you 
can of course make some really ill sounds. As everyone else has said, 
the Machinedrum is a synch to program patterns. Expensive but good. 
If you want a bargain all round synth go for the Micro Q lite Bundle, 
you gate a free upgrade to a proper micro Q (more voices, reverb and 
surround delay) Had mine for a week and love it, much prefer it to my 
Nord 3. Cant wait to shackle it to the Machine drum, thought I could 
have them both feeding their ins and out to each other for some mad 
sounds. Unfortunately Machinedrum has to go in for a service as its 
fucked at the moment, no fault of mine.

Matt



--- In elektron-users@y..., "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...> wrote:
> Hi!
> I would prefer the MD, too. And next try the Attack-Plugin. Attack 
is 
> also great as an plugin and easier to program (more knobs) than the 
> Rackversion. If you want Hardware, i would also prefer a Q-Rack or 
> microQ rather then the Attack, because they are also able produce 
very 
> nice drumsounds... ( i don't know about microQ, but my Q-Rack is 
able 

> to create drummap (each key a diffrent drumsound)).
> But MD is really a killer and i do not like to miss it anymore. It 
> inspirate me and the sequencer is very usefull for me...
> Stefan

Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much more devlopped
than the one of Rack Attack...
And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!
It was more for the acoustic sounds... which the Rack Attack and the Q can
immitate in the limits of the analog synthesis (Typic Electro Analog sound).
I had also the idea to buy a hardware sampler and use acoustic samples...
and transform them if i need...
Now i am hesitating between several sampler... Lol...
Hesitating between EMU E6400, Yamaha A5000 and other.
Any suggestions??? I will realy appreciate!!!
Thanks

Moreno

> -----Original Message-----
> From: creepjoint [mailto:CreepJoint@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between Rack Attack
> and MachineDrum
>
>
>
> Yeah the Microq also has drum maps. ALthough i havent tried to
> program drum sounds with it yet, the presets show its capabilaties ie
> good. I prefer the microq over the Rack Attack for its more broad
> usage, it is wicked. Back to the Machinedrum, it is versatile, though
> not as broad as the Rackattack when it comes to programming sounds.
> You cant fail to make drum sounds with the Machinedrum, though you
> can of course make some really ill sounds. As everyone else has said,
> the Machinedrum is a synch to program patterns. Expensive but good.
> If you want a bargain all round synth go for the Micro Q lite Bundle,
> you gate a free upgrade to a proper micro Q (more voices, reverb and
> surround delay) Had mine for a week and love it, much prefer it to my
> Nord 3. Cant wait to shackle it to the Machine drum, thought I could
> have them both feeding their ins and out to each other for some mad
> sounds. Unfortunately Machinedrum has to go in for a service as its
> fucked at the moment, no fault of mine.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@y..., "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...> wrote:
> > Hi!
> > I would prefer the MD, too. And next try the Attack-Plugin. Attack
> is
> > also great as an plugin and easier to program (more knobs) than the
> > Rackversion. If you want Hardware, i would also prefer a Q-Rack or
> > microQ rather then the Attack, because they are also able produce
> very
> > nice drumsounds... ( i don't know about microQ, but my Q-Rack is
> able
> > to create drummap (each key a diffrent drumsound)).
> > But MD is really a killer and i do not like to miss it anymore. It
> > inspirate me and the sequencer is very usefull for me...
> > Stefan
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

--- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much more 
> devlopped than the one of Rack Attack...
> And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!

  The Q isn't an analog synth, though.

Ahhhhhhh... Virtual analog and two Wavetables...

Moreno

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mind Mechanic [mailto:mrhardacid@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:35 PM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between Rack Attack
> and MachineDrum
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> > Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much more
> > devlopped than the one of Rack Attack...
> > And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!
>
>   The Q isn't an analog synth, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

It isnt analoge but but its wicked ;)

The Machinedrum has some sampled acoustic sounds which can be nicely 
modified, not to mention the retriggering function !!!

Matt


--- In elektron-users@y..., "Mind Mechanic" <mrhardacid@y...> wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> > Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much more 
> > devlopped than the one of Rack Attack...
> > And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!
> 
>   The Q isn't an analog synth, though.

And those wicked comb filters!!!!! Ok, lets just Hijack this forum 
and convert everyone to Waldorf ;)

Matt


--- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> Ahhhhhhh... Virtual analog and two Wavetables...
> 
> Moreno
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mind Mechanic [mailto:mrhardacid@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:35 PM
> > To: elektron-users@y...
> > Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between Rack 
Attack
> > and MachineDrum
> >
> >
> > --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> > > Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much more
> > > devlopped than the one of Rack Attack...
> > > And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!
> >
> >   The Q isn't an analog synth, though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

Some tend to say that even the Andromeda isn't "Analog"...
An old friend of mine, Laurent B. who plays music since his 15 and now is
38, he only has Analog gears like:
Jupiter8
Synthex Elka
TRs
TBs
MS20
Moogs
...

He told me that modern Analog synths like the Andromeda or other will never
sound like the ones from the "old school"
Bcause not anymore based on chips like:
SSM
CURTIS
Z880
...
Mmmmhhh... This is tight discussion...
If i could afford Analog stuff... i would buy... but the new machines like
Q, NordLead2/3, Vruses, Supernovas allow much more possibilites and are
cheaper...
I am realy happy with my gears!!! My only "Analog" synth is The Waldorf
Pulse... (Yes i am a Waldorf Freak)
=; )

Moreno

> -----Original Message-----
> From: creepjoint [mailto:CreepJoint@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:41 PM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between Rack Attack
> and MachineDrum
>
>
>
> And those wicked comb filters!!!!! Ok, lets just Hijack this forum
> and convert everyone to Waldorf ;)
>
> Matt
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> > Ahhhhhhh... Virtual analog and two Wavetables...
> >
> > Moreno
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mind Mechanic [mailto:mrhardacid@y...]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:35 PM
> > > To: elektron-users@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between Rack
> Attack
> > > and MachineDrum
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> > > > Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much more
> > > > devlopped than the one of Rack Attack...
> > > > And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!
> > >
> > >   The Q isn't an analog synth, though.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

Anybody seen the Buchla Music Weasel? I would kill
(and trade my MD inmediately) for one of those.

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--- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> Some tend to say that even the Andromeda isn't "Analog"...
> An old friend of mine, Laurent B. who plays music since his 15 and 
now is
> 38, he only has Analog gears like:
> Jupiter8
> Synthex Elka
> TRs
> TBs
> MS20
> Moogs
> ...
> 
> He told me that modern Analog synths like the Andromeda or other 
will never
> sound like the ones from the "old school"
> Bcause not anymore based on chips like:
> SSM
> CURTIS
> Z880
> ...

as well as the envelopes etc. are not analog 
i prefer the old sounds. most analog monos are not too expensive and 
they hold their value if not increase! 
 
> Mmmmhhh... This is tight discussion...
> If i could afford Analog stuff... i would buy... but the new 
machines like
> Q, NordLead2/3, Vruses, Supernovas allow much more possibilites 
and are
> cheaper...
> I am realy happy with my gears!!! My only "Analog" synth is The 
Waldorf
> Pulse... (Yes i am a Waldorf Freak)
> =; )
> 
> Moreno
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: creepjoint [mailto:CreepJoint@t...]
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:41 PM
> > To: elektron-users@y...
> > Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between Rack 
Attack
> > and MachineDrum
> >
> >
> >
> > And those wicked comb filters!!!!! Ok, lets just Hijack this 
forum
> > and convert everyone to Waldorf ;)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> > > Ahhhhhhh... Virtual analog and two Wavetables...
> > >
> > > Moreno
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mind Mechanic [mailto:mrhardacid@y...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:35 PM
> > > > To: elektron-users@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [elektron] OK... Help to make a choice between 
Rack
> > Attack
> > > > and MachineDrum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> 
wrote:
> > > > > Thanks but i have Q... and the synthesis of the Q is much 
more
> > > > > devlopped than the one of Rack Attack...
> > > > > And allows me of course analog drum sounds!!!
> > > >
> > > >   The Q isn't an analog synth, though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >

> Now i am hesitating between several sampler... Lol...
> Hesitating between EMU E6400, Yamaha A5000 and other.
> Any suggestions??? I will realy appreciate!!!

If I were you I would get or build a cheap PC and run Nemesys
Gigastudio. I have 60 GB of sample libraries instantly on tap, you
can't do that with a hardware unit.

I like to step program patterns into the MD, record them in Digital
Performer, then use Gigastudio to play them back using different
sample libraries, or layer the MD with the samples. It's very cool.