Elektron Musical Instruments

1. I know the MD is now pretty much a set and stable feature-set, so I'm 
reluctant to ask; but the one thing that would make me whip out my credit 
card right this second, the one thing that is my dream feature on this 
machine would be... an FM Pitched Woodblock machine. I just love those 
classic DX woodblock sounds and always use them in my beats. So if the MD 
could do them, I would be in drum-programming heaven. Possible? Not? Who 
else would like this, or am I just a lone voice in the wilderness?

2. As I see it, the MonoMachine is directly (okay, not so directly - but 
more or less) competing with synths like the Virus. One of those machines' 
biggest strengths is their huge and varied patch libraries. I for one would 
love to see a similar range and variety available on the Mono. It occurred 
to me that the most practical way of a developing a huge preset patch 
library for the machine would be users... the First 100 to be precise. Once 
the kits are closer to their final sound, Elektron could invite all of the 
first 100 to submit their 10 best patches; of these, the best 256 or 512 or 
however many would be chosen to ship with the Mono or be downloadable from 
the website; this would definitely reward the first 100 personally but 
moreover would generate a fantastic preset bank and be a great incentive to 
future purchasers.

What do you all think? Let us know.


Angus.

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Angus Christophersen" 
<puretokyo@h...> wrote:
> the 
> first 100 to submit their 10 best patches; of these, the best 256 
or 512 or 
> however many would be chosen to ship with the Mono or be 
downloadable from 
> the website; this would definitely reward the first 100 personally 
but 
> moreover would generate a fantastic preset bank and be a great 
incentive to 
> future purchasers.
> 
> What do you all think? Let us know.

I think that's a great idea, with little effort or extra cost.
It can be very stimulating to hear what others come up with and see 
how its done.

Maybe another request would be a randomizer for the synth page.
Press some pre defined knobs () and a small windows pop's up.
Then when you turn the main knob the parameters are randomized on 
only the synth page in the following fasion:
With every thick a parameter gets a random value, first tick -> first 
par. second tick -> second par..... after 8 ticks it starts with par. 
1 again.
In this fasion you can turn the knob both ways and play the keyboard 
to hear te results. This way you can come up with new sounds very 
fast! Very easy and great fun, especially with the FM machines

Ronald.

I had been thinking about the way MnM stores kits instead of patches...
Although it probably would take some major work from Elektron, it would be
nice to actually have a way store individual patches that could be loaded
from the kit edit page.  Maybe under the "SYNTH" list there could be a
"USER" machine type and then all of your stored patches could be selected
individually here.  Saving patches in kits seems intuitive for a drum synth
but not for a keyboard synth (although I would like to save individual
patches in MD also!).

cheers
JK

----- Original Message -----

From: "Roonan" <info@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum/MonoMachine feature poll?


> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Angus Christophersen"
> <puretokyo@h...> wrote:
> > the
> > first 100 to submit their 10 best patches; of these, the best 256
> or 512 or
> > however many would be chosen to ship with the Mono or be
> downloadable from
> > the website; this would definitely reward the first 100 personally
> but
> > moreover would generate a fantastic preset bank and be a great
> incentive to
> > future purchasers.
> >
> > What do you all think? Let us know.
>
> I think that's a great idea, with little effort or extra cost.
> It can be very stimulating to hear what others come up with and see
> how its done.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "ripe" <ripe-list7147@m...> 
wrote:
> nice to actually have a way store individual patches that could be 
loaded
> from the kit edit page.  

But you can copy tracks, (at least when it's working, not working yet)
with the tracks you also copy the machine and it's settings.
Clear the track and you're done.

Only downside is that you cannot flip through the patches until you 
find the right one. But still, it's a workable solution. (I use it on 
the MD all the time)

Ronald.

But if you have your MD machines all over the place in different kits and
you are in extended mode you have to do a lot of saving of your kit or you
would lose your new settings every time you switched pattern to select a
machine to copy.
Not as much of a problem with the MD that has a somewhat limited type of
sound and guides you to put specific types of sounds on specific tracks
(bass drum on the BD track), but with the MnM you could have patches spread
across six tracks and not in any type of order.  I suppose an individual
patch storage is not really worth discussing since it probably won't happen
anyways :-)

cheers
JK

----- Original Message -----

From: "Roonan" <info@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum/MonoMachine feature poll?


> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "ripe" <ripe-list7147@m...>
> wrote:
> > nice to actually have a way store individual patches that could be
> loaded
> > from the kit edit page.
>
> But you can copy tracks, (at least when it's working, not working yet)
> with the tracks you also copy the machine and it's settings.
> Clear the track and you're done.
>
> Only downside is that you cannot flip through the patches until you
> find the right one. But still, it's a workable solution. (I use it on
> the MD all the time)
>
> Ronald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:50:20AM -0500, ripe wrote:
>    Saving patches in kits seems intuitive for a drum
>    synth
>    but not for a keyboard synth (although I would like to save individual
>    patches in MD also!).

I don't know about other comparable snths out there, but the Nord Leads,
for example, allow you to save a bank of patches as a performance.  And
to me, when you're dealing with a multitimbral synth, this is very
helpful.  Otherwise, you'd have to correctly align the patches in all
the banks in order to take advantage of its multitimbrality.

Joe

On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 09:50  AM, ripe wrote:

>
> I had been thinking about the way MnM stores kits instead of patches...
> Although it probably would take some major work from Elektron, it 
> would be
> nice to actually have a way store individual patches that could be 
> loaded
> from the kit edit page.  Maybe under the "SYNTH" list there could be a
> "USER" machine type and then all of your stored patches could be 
> selected
> individually here.  Saving patches in kits seems intuitive for a drum 
> synth
> but not for a keyboard synth (although I would like to save individual
> patches in MD also!).
>

Probably the most well-thoughtout implementation of patches that I have 
seen in a hardware synth was QuasiMidi's Polymorph. The Polymorph was a 
four part synth, each with step-sequencer, so it was similar to the MnM 
in concept. What the Polymorph offered was two levels of patch storage. 
The first was a common, shared library of sounds that could be purused 
and used much like any other patch setup in other synths. Each pattern 
also had four slots, one per part, to store patches. These patches were 
completely separate from the master linrary patches. So you could 
easily load up four copies of the same patch into the four parts and 
tweak each one separately. The tweaked versions were saved with the 
pattern and the original remained unaltered in the master library.

A few other synths I have used have had this separate storage of 
individual patches from multi-patches. I personally find it difficult 
to use a synth that only offers a single master library (so if you 
slightly modify a patch it must be stored in a new location), and one 
like the MD and nor MnM that only let you store within the pattern (or 
kit) make it difficult to reuse patches (which is not always a bad 
thing either).

I think the MD's kit scheme was fine for it but I don't believe it will 
work as well in the MnM (as we are now finding out). I like the idea 
suggested above of having a library of user patches available for 
loading into any of the six slots. Some basic sorting/filtering would 
be nice so, for example, you might select based on machine type, or 
perhaps a simple category system like that found in most workstation 
synths these days and even now most VAs.

That said I do personally find that the way the MD works, and the MnM, 
encourages a fresh approach to each composition. Its more work but it 
also keeps me from falling into predictable results.

drK

www.delora.com/music
drk.iuma.com

Yes,  I like the kit idea in combination with a single patch management
solution.  You could save your kit as normal, but you could maybe just
import or load independently the machines from other kits without copy and
pasting all over the place.

cheers
JK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <jmelnyk@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum/MonoMachine feature poll?


> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:50:20AM -0500, ripe wrote:
> >    Saving patches in kits seems intuitive for a drum
> >    synth
> >    but not for a keyboard synth (although I would like to save
individual

> >    patches in MD also!).
>
> I don't know about other comparable snths out there, but the Nord Leads,
> for example, allow you to save a bank of patches as a performance.  And
> to me, when you're dealing with a multitimbral synth, this is very
> helpful.  Otherwise, you'd have to correctly align the patches in all
> the banks in order to take advantage of its multitimbrality.
>
> Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "ripe" <ripe-list7147@m...> 
wrote:
> Yes,  I like the kit idea in combination with a single patch 
management
> solution.  You could save your kit as normal, but you could maybe 
just
> import or load independently the machines from other kits without 
copy and
> pasting all over the place.

Yes, it would be nice, makes patch selecting easier and more save 
due to the "If you don't save your kit you will loose the kit" thing.
Maybe if there are enough requests they will look into it?

Ronald.

I want pong :( i think i've already expressesd this though.  BUT 
WAIT there's a joystick, can we get maybe starship troopers?!:o a 
little atari emulator on there? dedicate a little memory for loading 
up games from elektron site :D  that'd be sweet... a game that 
creates sound...that'd be most interesting.  creaitng notes and what 
not in different ways and different rhythmic structures, with a set 
definition of patches which are learned via neural networks 
recognizing the patterns in your sequences, storing them as you go 
along. until wen u've programmed it to death, it'll start to make 
it's own musicO _O but it'll all sound like yours...and you will 
become obsolete...

that's just 1 request :-) maybe asking for neural networks is a bit 
much:P  but if it's got dual dsp, u can do parallel proccessing no? 
maybe find some switch to switch quickly between them, make a 
simplified network...:-)

I'd like to see some really interesting stuff with the parallel 
proccessing that's available.  it's dual dsp, so it best be used 
properly:D...

i'd really like to see a simply set up vector synth.  it's not hard 
to do.  in particular lets say we  apply 6 different forms of 
synthesis to 6 different portions of the joystick.  and simply set 
that up to also input into only 1 filteR(but hell since we're using 
multiple filters, and i'm sure you have the filters set up as 
functions why not just put a few so we can creat some seriously 
sillly weirdness),  but the core thing is feeding into simply one 
filter, one envelope....then just set up the mix levels of the 6 
different audio generators

i know this can be done probably with the mod matrix as is.  but to 
add vector synthesis to this synth, and to have it that people can 
easily access, like maybe another selection as a synth? doesn't seem 
like it'd be such a pain in the ass, no?  

oh yea what about a screen saver, and use 2 knobs as etch and sketch 
so u can draw your own screen savers;)  or maybe our own loading 
screens?:D  

i think i am asking ridiculous things tho...

on a serious note i'd like to see dual filter proccessing...:)

1.  Any good sounding machine would be a treat.  

2.  Not only 512 sounds but some extra sets on your web site would 
be good. 

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Angus Christophersen" 
<puretokyo@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 1. I know the MD is now pretty much a set and stable feature-set, 
so I'm 
> reluctant to ask; but the one thing that would make me whip out my 
credit 
> card right this second, the one thing that is my dream feature on 
this 
> machine would be... an FM Pitched Woodblock machine. I just love 
those 
> classic DX woodblock sounds and always use them in my beats. So if 
the MD 
> could do them, I would be in drum-programming heaven. Possible? 
Not? Who 
> else would like this, or am I just a lone voice in the wilderness?
> 
> 2. As I see it, the MonoMachine is directly (okay, not so 
directly - but 
> more or less) competing with synths like the Virus. One of those 
machines' 
> biggest strengths is their huge and varied patch libraries. I for 
one would 
> love to see a similar range and variety available on the Mono. It 
occurred 
> to me that the most practical way of a developing a huge preset 
patch 
> library for the machine would be users... the First 100 to be 
precise. Once 
> the kits are closer to their final sound, Elektron could invite 
all of the 
> first 100 to submit their 10 best patches; of these, the best 256 
or 512 or 
> however many would be chosen to ship with the Mono or be 
downloadable from 
> the website; this would definitely reward the first 100 personally 
but 
> moreover would generate a fantastic preset bank and be a great 
incentive to 

> future purchasers.
> 
> What do you all think? Let us know.
> 
> 
> Angus.
> 
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