EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point of each sample in the EXS 
instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its anchor point? This would 
allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual samples, such as the onset of 
guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight with your groove.

-Matt

mandcmiller wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point of each sample in the EXS 
> instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its anchor point? This would 
> allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual samples, such as the onset of 
> guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight with your groove.
> 
> -Matt


How would that work with live playing I wonder?

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>mandcmiller wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point of each sample in the EXS
>> instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its anchor point? This would
>> allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual samples, such as the onset of
>> guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight with your groove.
>>
>> -Matt

At 21:10 Uhr +0100 11.09.2006, Pete Thomas wrote:
>How would that work with live playing I wonder?

That's easy: The software knows when you're gonna strike the next key... duuuh... come on, that's not rocket science

LOL

Cheers
Hans

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hans Hafner <hanshafner@...> wrote:
>
> >mandcmiller wrote:
> >> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point of each sample in 
the EXS
> >> instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its anchor point? This 
would
> >> allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual samples, such as the 
onset of
> >> guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight with your groove.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> 
> At 21:10 Uhr +0100 11.09.2006, Pete Thomas wrote:
> >How would that work with live playing I wonder?
> 
> That's easy: The software knows when you're gonna strike the next key... duuuh... come 
on, that's not rocket science

The program Live has a feature where it triggers events to whatever the quantize 
resolution is set to (i.e. the next 16th note). So, as long as you don't trigger the sample 
too late you'd be OK. This feature wouldn't work for all instruments, but it would for many.

-Matt

At 20:50 Uhr +0000 11.09.2006, mandcmiller wrote:
>The program Live has a feature where it triggers events to whatever the quantize
>resolution is set to (i.e. the next 16th note). So, as long as you don't trigger the sample
>too late you'd be OK. This feature wouldn't work for all instruments, but it would for many.

I can't believe I have to say this:

you can't play audio _before_ it is triggered. We were talking about live usage of an instrument such as a sampler.

Yes, once it's in the sequencer and the machine can look ahead, no problem and actually that's when I think the original idea of recognising the anchor points in the samplers works and makes sense.

Perhaps my limited brain just doesn't get it.

Cheers
Hans

> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point  
> of each sample in the EXS
> instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its  
> anchor point? This would
> allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual  
> samples, such as the onset of
> guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight  
> with your groove.
>

Yes, this would be great..... and would maybe allow for the the  
sample offset to work the other way around too. Mmm, makes me think  
of many possibilities! Nice idea!

Best Regards,
Matt
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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hans Hafner <hanshafner@...> wrote:
>
> At 20:50 Uhr +0000 11.09.2006, mandcmiller wrote:
> >The program Live has a feature where it triggers events to whatever the quantize
> >resolution is set to (i.e. the next 16th note). So, as long as you don't trigger the 
sample
> >too late you'd be OK. This feature wouldn't work for all instruments, but it would for 
many.
> 
> I can't believe I have to say this:
> 
> you can't play audio _before_ it is triggered. We were talking about live usage of an 
instrument such as a sampler.

Of course you can't play audio before it's triggered, but you can trigger audio before it's 
supposed to play. That being said, the 'live' application of this idea is severely limited and 
was not part of my original concept.

> 
> Yes, once it's in the sequencer and the machine can look ahead, no problem and actually 
that's when I think the original idea of recognising the anchor points in the samplers 
works and makes sense.

> 
> Perhaps my limited brain just doesn't get it.
> 
> Cheers
> Hans
>

On 12/09/2006, at 9:14 AM, Matt McKenzie-Smith wrote:

>> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point
>> of each sample in the EXS
>> instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its
>> anchor point? This would
>> allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual
>> samples, such as the onset of
>> guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight
>> with your groove.
>>
>
> Yes, this would be great..... and would maybe allow for the the
> sample offset to work the other way around too. Mmm, makes me think
> of many possibilities! Nice idea!
>
> Best Regards,
> Matt
> _   _   _  _ _    ___  __ _   _ _______________
>
> MATT MCKENZIE-SMITH
> MUSIC • AUDIO DESIGN • PRODUCTION
> PO Box 10395, Adelaide 5000, South Australia.
> Ph.+61 416 197 883
> iCHATav.  mattrixx@...
> http://www.mattrixx.net
> _ _   ___  _      ____  _  _ ________________



And if you have a breakbeat cut up and there is a little bit of a hihat
before the snare because the drummer played the snare late then you
could quantise to the snare but keep the little bit of hihat. I've
thought of this before. Because I cut up breakbeats. A better example
and the reason I thought of this need is when layering snares from
different breakbeats. If one snare sample begins right on the attack
and the other has a little bit of hihat before it then thhey don't peak
at the same time.
I can see the guitar strum example having this need also.
Quantising to the peak of a sound using the anchor would have it's uses.
At the moment I just layer drums in a sample editor to get the peaks in
sync.
Roman.

At 22:44 Uhr +0000 11.09.2006, mandcmiller wrote:
>Of course you can't play audio before it's triggered, but you can trigger audio before it's
>supposed to play. That being said, the 'live' application of this idea is severely limited and
>was not part of my original concept.

BTW: just to take away the wrong impression I'm leaving. The LOL in my first post stood for laughing out loud and should have denoted that what I wrote was supposed to be semi-funny. Now it's nothing new that people don't get me, I think it has to do with me, but nevertheless I have to keep trying, after all, what choice do I have? ;-)

Cheers
Hans

Am 11.09.2006 um 22:50 schrieb mandcmiller:

> The program Live has a feature where it triggers events to whatever  
> the quantize
> resolution is set to (i.e. the next 16th note).

The "Touch Tracks" of Logic have that feature too.

I wonder, does it make any sense to use EXS24 with a different  
sequencer program than Logic (Live for instance)?

Ingo

Ingo Debus wrote:

> The "Touch Tracks" of Logic have that feature too.
> 
> I wonder, does it make any sense to use EXS24 with a different  
> sequencer program than Logic (Live for instance)?
> 
> Ingo
> 
> 

Well unless youve got a rather old copy of the Player version of EXS, 
you cant use it in anything other than Logic..

I cant remember whether or not the original EXS was standalone, it was 
the only plugin i bought (before they released the 'Pro' upgrade a few 
months later) and Ive been using Logic for so long now I never bothered 
trying it in anything else..


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Le 12 sept. 06, à 21:38, Chris Coccia a écrit :
> I cant remember whether or not the original EXS was standalone,

It wasn't. I bought it (in the same time tan the ES1) when just 
available, and it was only Logic plugin.
> --
Gérald