EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Having just visited Steinberg's excellent Virtual 
Guitarist web site 
(http://vg.clubcubase.net/index.asp), I have to 
say that they really did a great job of making it 
easy for someone to get information after having 
purchase the VSTi. I know that most companies 
don't have Steinberg's resources, but man, I sure 
Emagic would take the time to check out how their 
competition is _communicating_ with its clients. 
Emagic should at least have a similiar web site 
for EXS24, no?



http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

on 4/23/02 8:08 AM, Ned Bouhalassa at ned@... wrote:

Having just visited Steinberg's excellent Virtual
Guitarist web site 
(http://vg.clubcubase.net/index.asp), I have to
say that they really did a great job of making it
easy for someone to get information after having
purchase the VSTi. I know that most companies
don't have Steinberg's resources, but man, I sure
Emagic would take the time to check out how their
competition is _communicating_ with its clients.
Emagic should at least have a similiar web site
for EXS24, no?



http://www.nedfx.com

      Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m



Well...just wait until you enter the Steinberg Tech Support Vortex...and all
these years you thought the Twilight Zone was fiction.

Julie


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Fair enough, Julie. My point is about Steinberg 
setting up a fairly complete site for a new VSTi. 
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the company as 
a whole should serve as an example to Emagic and 
others, just this aspect of the new-product 'game'.

Julie Larson wrote:

> Well...just wait until you enter the Steinberg Tech Support Vortex...and all
> these years you thought the Twilight Zone was fiction.
> 
> Julie





http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

--- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote:
> I have to say, I'm very impressed with the demos of The Grand 
and Virtual
> Guitar;

cant comment on the grand, the demo's of the vg 
sound...well....just too impressive! then again, im talking as a 
guitarist :-)


 however at the moment I'm still recovering from my bliss over 
the
> sound of the Emagic ES2. What an incredible synth... 
absolutely
> breathtaking.

agree, absolutely, even though on my system it eats cpu like 
there's no tomorrow - i had half a mind to sample the best 
patches in the exs (minimal cpu usage for me) but the 55 
squillion megs of sampling kind of put me off!

andy

Huge LOL!!!

I totally agree with you the ES 2 is in my ears as good as Absynth if not 
better!!!!

It\ufffds actually the best software synth ever I think!!

THANKS EMAGIC!!

Alvaro Villalobos.




>From: <HELP@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Steinberg does it right
>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:43:28 -0500
>
>I have to say, I'm very impressed with the demos of The Grand and Virtual
>Guitar; however at the moment I'm still recovering from my bliss over the
>sound of the Emagic ES2. What an incredible synth... absolutely
>breathtaking. -Jer
>




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I have to say, I'm very impressed with the demos of The Grand and Virtual
Guitar; however at the moment I'm still recovering from my bliss over the
sound of the Emagic ES2. What an incredible synth... absolutely
breathtaking. -Jer

--- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote:
> > I totally agree with you the ES 2 is in my ears as good as 
Absynth if not
> > better!!!!
> 
> Yup. I actually like it better than my Supernova and MicroQ.


i wonder if emagic have given any thought to releasing it as a 
hardware synth........

> I totally agree with you the ES 2 is in my ears as good as Absynth if not
> better!!!!

Yup. I actually like it better than my Supernova and MicroQ.

> i wonder if emagic have given any thought to releasing it as a
> hardware synth........

Emagic is now coding some of it's plugins for TC Powercore, so there may be
a chance that the ES2 will run off of the card instead of the CPU. I don't
want to get anybody's hopes up under false pretense, but I did read valid
documentation that they are planning compatibility with Logic's more intense
plugins. Wouldn't it be nice if that included the soft instruments? I'd take
that over a hardware synth any day, except on stage in which case I'll take
the ES2 hardware synth--thank you very much. What a beast that thing! -Jer

> > i wonder if emagic have given any thought to releasing it as a
 > > hardware synth........
 > 
 > Emagic is now coding some of it's plugins for TC Powercore, 
 > so there may be a chance that the ES2 will run off of the card 
 > instead of the CPU. I don't want to get anybody's hopes up under 
 > false pretense, but I did read valid documentation that they are 
 > planning compatibility with Logic's more intense plugins. Wouldn't 
 > it be nice if that included the soft instruments? I'd take that 
 > over a hardware synth any day, except on stage in which case I'll 
 > take the ES2 hardware synth--thank you very much. What a beast 
 > that thing! -Jer


Mmmmmm... Imagining my computer completely filled with PowerCores... If only
I could just write Bill Gates and convince him to give me .000004% of his
total wealth, and not have to work very hard for the next couple years to
get everything I currently want. :-)

This is definitely getting OT, but with all of the various Gurus that
inhabit this list with access to tons of gear, this is probably the best
place to ask this question: With all of the software synths out there these
days, what types of hardware synths are still worth buying? E.g. what
hardware synths don't have an equal-or-superior software emulation?
Specifically I would like to create very 'alien' sounding sounds. Not harsh
metal-scraping-ear-blistering 'alien' sounds.. nice cute little friendly
alien sounds, e.g. those found in a lot of of Aphex Twin songs. :-)

Nord Modular. I use Reaktor a lot, but the Nord is less work to set up 
( albeit less flexible, ) and does sounds I can't get w/ Reaktor. It's 
the only hardware synth I've hung on to other than my old Korg Prophecy.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 02:41 PM, Martin, Jeremy wrote:

> This is definitely getting OT, but with all of the various Gurus that
> inhabit this list with access to tons of gear, this is probably the best
> place to ask this question: With all of the software synths out there 
> these
> days, what types of hardware synths are still worth buying? E.g. what
> hardware synths don't have an equal-or-superior software emulation?
> Specifically I would like to create very 'alien' sounding sounds. Not 
> harsh
> metal-scraping-ear-blistering 'alien' sounds.. nice cute little friendly
> alien sounds, e.g. those found in a lot of of Aphex Twin songs. :-)

I asked:
> > Specifically I would like to create very 'alien' sounding sounds. Not 
> > harsh metal-scraping-ear-blistering 'alien' sounds.. nice cute little 
> > friendly alien sounds.

M Stevens wrote:
> Nord Modular. I use Reaktor a lot, but the Nord is less work to set up 
> ( albeit less flexible, ) and does sounds I can't get w/ Reaktor. It's 
> the only hardware synth I've hung on to other than my old Korg Prophecy.

Thanks for your suggestion :-) I remember reading about the Nord and Nord
Modular when they were still in their first incarnation, I'll definitely
have to check up on them and see what the latest and greatest version has to
offer.


Jer wrote: 
> You might consider Spectrasonics "Atmospheres." Soft again, but probably
> very appropriate for your needs. 

Oh yes, I am definitely going to get "Atmosphere" ASAP as well :-)

> I use my outboard Supernova for a lot of sounds like that. 
> I am a Mac user and use SounDiver to generate random
> patches. The Supernova responds very well to this, and many "alien" sounds
> are easily, randomly generated. I think the ES2 has a random patch
generator
> as well built into the interface (I hope I'm not getting my soft synths
> confused, but that's what I remember). -Jer

That's cool, I didn't know SoundDiver (or the ES2) could randomly generate
patches, sounds like an awesome feature. I will definitely need a physical
keyboard that has aftertouch in addition to awesome sounds at some point
though, so the SupernovaII and Access VirusKC/Indigo2 all look mightly
tastey. Is it safe to assume that SoundDiver can create random patches for
most synths?

> Specifically I would like to create very 'alien' sounding sounds. Not harsh
> metal-scraping-ear-blistering 'alien' sounds.. nice cute little friendly
> alien sounds, e.g. those found in a lot of of Aphex Twin songs. :-)

You might consider Spectrasonics "Atmospheres." Soft again, but probably
very appropriate for your needs. I use my outboard Supernova for a lot of
sounds like that. Waldorf outboard synths have nice and soft stuff, but both
include some pretty stalwart and strong lead synths despite their affinity
for the less abrasive. I am a Mac user and use SounDiver to generate random
patches. The Supernova responds very well to this, and many "alien" sounds
are easily, randomly generated. I think the ES2 has a random patch generator
as well built into the interface (I hope I'm not getting my soft synths
confused, but that's what I remember). -Jer

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 02:41 PM, Martin, Jeremy wrote:
> 
>> This is definitely getting OT, but with all of the various Gurus that
>> inhabit this list with access to tons of gear, this is probably the best
>> place to ask this question: With all of the software synths out there
>> these
>> days, what types of hardware synths are still worth buying? E.g. what
>> hardware synths don't have an equal-or-superior software emulation?
>> Specifically I would like to create very 'alien' sounding sounds. Not
>> harsh
>> metal-scraping-ear-blistering 'alien' sounds.. nice cute little friendly
>> alien sounds, e.g. those found in a lot of of Aphex Twin songs. :-)

I don't think I'll let go of my Kawai K5000 or my Prophet 5.

I've never heard a softsynth do K5000 textures. Maybe Absynth or Reaktor
might????

As for the Prophet, the soft version (Native instruments) doesn't come
close.

I've still got my ASR10 sampler for 2 reasons. I have a big library which I
guess I'll eventually convert to EXS using Translator for Mac (Is it out
yet?) and the other reason is that the ASR's Effect algorithms are excellent
and nothing else comes close to some of those sounds....

I've still got my Yamaha RM50 mainly because it has good audio to midi
triggers.


-- 
==/==/==/==/==/==/==/==/==

Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
http://www.jaminajar.com.au

Hi, 

<> Specifically I would like to create very 'alien' sounding 
<sounds. Not harsh
<> metal-scraping-ear-blistering 'alien' sounds.. nice cute 
<little friendly
<> alien sounds, e.g. those found in a lot of of Aphex Twin songs. :-)

Absynth!

JR

You guys beta testers? As far as I can tell, it ain't out yet. If you 
did pick up a copy commercially, please let me know where you got it.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 09:12 AM, Alvaro Villalobos wrote:

> Huge LOL!!!
>
> I totally agree with you the ES 2 is in my ears as good as Absynth if 
> not
> better!!!!
>
> It´s actually the best software synth ever I think!!
>
> THANKS EMAGIC!!

(talking about ES2)
> You guys beta testers? As far as I can tell, it ain't out yet. If you 
> did pick up a copy commercially, please let me know where you got it.

A recent thread on the LUG went like this: Someone said they were shipping,
someone else wrote back and said 'shipping' was too strong a word because
they were not due in stores until (I think) May 1st. Then Markus or Michael
said that EVOC and ES2 *were* shipping for sure, though of course he didn't
specify *where* they were being shipped (e.g. to local German stores only,
or world wide).. So it looks like it should be available pretty soon from
the regular Emgaic distributors.

The people talking about ES2 could be beta testers, or they could be using
version 5.01 or 5.10 of Logic, both of which are not downloadable updates
unfortunately. Most people got 5.00 when they first got the 5.x upgrade, but
a few people did get 5.01 which contains the ES2/EVOC demo (and can be
'activated' once its possible to buy them)... also anyone who bought a Logic
Control was shipped version 5.1 on cd which adds Logic Control support and
'accidentally' fixes a few other problems (that will be fixed in the free
5.2 update everyone can download when it's ready). 5.1 also contains
ES2/EVOC. 

Jeremy

>> You guys beta testers? As far as I can tell, it ain't out yet. If you
>> did pick up a copy commercially, please let me know where you got it.

No, no, no. You can use the ES2 for free in Logic 5 for around 2.5 months,
which should be enough time to make the purchase by then. EVOC works (and
works quite nicely) for around a month on my machine... Jer

In a message dated 4/24/02 3:02:00 AM, pnajar@... writes:

>I've never heard a softsynth do K5000 textures. Maybe Absynth or Reaktor
>might????

We did a bunch of the stuff in Atmosphere with the K-5000 (and Absynth and 
Reactor for that matter)

-EP

Wow, after we could dump the studio drummer it now looks like we can 
dump our guitarist too :)

Ewald 
http://www.cone.nl/ewaldkegel

--- In exs-users@y..., Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:

> Having just visited Steinberg's excellent Virtual 
> Guitarist web site 
> (http://vg.clubcubase.net/index.asp), I have to 
> say that they really did a great job of making it 
> easy for someone to get information after having 
> purchase the VSTi. I know that most companies 
> don't have Steinberg's resources, but man, I sure 
> Emagic would take the time to check out how their 
> competition is _communicating_ with its clients. 
> Emagic should at least have a similiar web site 
> for EXS24, no?
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.nedfx.com
> 
>        Ned Bouhalassa
> 
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

I live in Sweden and at a shop here they have got it all!!

They even have Logic Control but I can\ufffdt afford that now "and you know why 
cause I got high cause I got \ufffd\ufffd.......... Just kidding!!

The best,

Alvaro Villalobos.

Ps. By the way isn\ufffdt the EVOC 20 and ES 2 in all Logic 5.01- Logic 5.1 
packages??? Ds.




>From: M Stevens <m@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [exs] Steinberg does it right
>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:33:36 -0700
>
>You guys beta testers? As far as I can tell, it ain't out yet. If you
>did pick up a copy commercially, please let me know where you got it.
>
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 09:12 AM, Alvaro Villalobos wrote:
>
> > Huge LOL!!!
> >
> > I totally agree with you the ES 2 is in my ears as good as Absynth if
> > not
> > better!!!!
> >
> > It\ufffds actually the best software synth ever I think!!
> >
> > THANKS EMAGIC!!
>




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I got Logic control three days ago - wow - i love it  - after the initial
what the hell - why is it doing that thing for a couple of hours - but it is
brill - 
 
 
Joe 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alvaro Villalobos [mailto:logicuser2001@...]
Sent: 25 April 2002 15:43
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] Steinberg does it right


I live in Sweden and at a shop here they have got it all!!

They even have Logic Control but I can´t afford that now "and you know why 
cause I got high cause I got ´´.......... Just kidding!!

The best,

Alvaro Villalobos.

Ps. By the way isn´t the EVOC 20 and ES 2 in all Logic 5.01- Logic 5.1 
packages??? Ds.




>From: M Stevens <m@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [exs] Steinberg does it right
>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:33:36 -0700
>
>You guys beta testers? As far as I can tell, it ain't out yet. If you
>did pick up a copy commercially, please let me know where you got it.
>
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 09:12 AM, Alvaro Villalobos wrote:
>
> > Huge LOL!!!
> >
> > I totally agree with you the ES 2 is in my ears as good as Absynth if
> > not
> > better!!!!
> >
> > It´s actually the best software synth ever I think!!
> >
> > THANKS EMAGIC!!
>




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