EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Just wanted to say thanks to all you folks here. Especially during the last
week it has been nice to see people reacting in a "normal" fashion about
that Apple/Emagic deal. A refreshingly low amount of "my machine/platform is
better than yours" postings too, instead there were some reasonable thoughts
about the situation.
I for one hope to stay on this list for quite some time, regardless of what
my final sequencer/platform choice will be (one day in the future...).

Cheers,
Sascha

I really hope that you stay too,Sascha.
You have helped me with many things.
I have said it before and I say it again.
"You are the best"

Michael

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> Just wanted to say thanks to all you folks here. Especially during the last
> week it has been nice to see people reacting in a "normal" fashion about
> that Apple/Emagic deal. A refreshingly low amount of "my machine/platform is
> better than yours" postings too, instead there were some reasonable thoughts
> about the situation.
> I for one hope to stay on this list for quite some time, regardless of what
> my final sequencer/platform choice will be (one day in the future...).
> 
> Cheers,
> Sascha
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Hi Sasca

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> I for one hope to stay on this list for quite some time, regardless 
of what
> my final sequencer/platform choice will be (one day in the 
future...).

I saw in a previous post that you are considering Cubase SX in the 
long term. So am I. A new Yahoo group dealing with Logic-to-SX issues 
has been started. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/law-to-sx/

I am sure the group would benefit from having you on board :o). 

Are you also considering Sonar and if you are not then why? Lack of 
VST support, maybe? Sonar looks very sexy IMHO but Cubase has this 
huge user base. Hmmm, lots of things to take into consideration, eh? 
If we end up taking the Cubase XS route let us hope that Steinberg do 
as they have indicated, namely to make an EXS import facility in 
Halion. Still, a lot of money will have to be spent no matter which 
route we choose.

Kind regards,

Soren

Thanks for your nice comments.

And Soren, I allready subscribed to the LAW-to-SX group, but I doub't I'll
post too much there yet. So far I've only been using SX in the shop and I
must say I was less than impressed. Very cool features but I simply don't
like the ergonomics at all - and that for me was the very reason back then
to switch from Cubase to Logic. Sure, there's been some vast improvements,
but I still can't understand why quite some things are still that ugly and
hart to handle, especially when it comes to part handling in the arrange and
tool handling - I still remember how much I hated that
"rightclick-to-select-a-new-tool" actions that you have to do all the time
in Cubase. In Logic I almost never switch tools or grid/snap settings. Makes
my workflow so much more efficient.
Also, I had the feeling that real work estate is simply smaller - in the
shop they had two 19" and when I got back home to my dual 17" and Logic I
found that to be pretty much more efficient. I use float windows that I just
put onto my secondary monitor all the time, so there's no need to deal with
"optimized" windows and full title bars all over my two screens. With Logic
it's even no problem at all to use two different sized monitors or
resolutions just because of that.
I have allready been mailing with Thimo Koberling (a Steinberg dude) and he
agreed on most of my complaints, so there's hope that one day things will be
implemented a bit better.
Don't get me wrong, there's some nice things in SX, such as the MIDI plugins
that you can even use when the sequencer is stopped (and that are actually
working well with AIs, unlike in Logic), I quite liked the arpeggiator - but
then, I'm more an oldfashioned guy, so I don't need such things too much.
In the end, for me the most important thing seem to be ergonomics and IMO
Logic is unbeatable at that for various reasons.
I will get my VST updated anyways to have a closer look at what they are
doing in the future. Maybe I will use it as a standalone VST(i) host once I
can afford a Mac and continue working with an updated Logic.
And uhhhhm - of course I won't like to miss all my nice Logic internal
plugins and instruments, IMO both EVOC and ES2 are just two of the best in
their categories.

Cheers,
Sascha

Michael Karlsson wrote:

> I really hope that you stay too,Sascha.
> You have helped me with many things.
> I have said it before and I say it again.
> "You are the best"
>
> Michael

Just to echo Michael's setiments; you rock heavily dude....


--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

> I have it from a reliable source that Apple is reconsidering the decision to
> pull development for Logic's PC clients. That doesn't mean it's definite,
> but it is a possibility. I highly recommend that all of the PC users out
> there wait at least until the release of 5.2 before spending a bunch of
> money on Cubase. Apple is feeling the backlash of it's early intentions. I
> personally believe that the damage to collaborative efforts between PC and
> Mac users has a lot to do with this development. Do not jump to Cubase in a
> frantic move until you can be certain that Apple is firm on its decision.
> The jury is out. I recommend you take this opportunity to contact Apple and
> express you opinion on the matter.

Please !!

Anyone who has more info on this topic, tell us about it. I'm a LAW 4.8.1 & EXS24 user 
thinking of crossgrading to Cubase SX. I've just decided no to upgrade to LAW 5, but 
what you say in your post really changes everything to a whole new scenario.

Time is running ... and I have to make a decision very soon !!






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I have it from a reliable source that Apple is reconsidering the decision to
pull development for Logic's PC clients. That doesn't mean it's definite,
but it is a possibility. I highly recommend that all of the PC users out
there wait at least until the release of 5.2 before spending a bunch of
money on Cubase. Apple is feeling the backlash of it's early intentions. I
personally believe that the damage to collaborative efforts between PC and
Mac users has a lot to do with this development. Do not jump to Cubase in a
frantic move until you can be certain that Apple is firm on its decision.
The jury is out. I recommend you take this opportunity to contact Apple and
express you opinion on the matter.

> Please !!
> 
> Anyone who has more info on this topic, tell us about it. I'm a LAW 4.8.1 &
> EXS24 user 
> thinking of crossgrading to Cubase SX. I've just decided no to upgrade to LAW
> 5, but 
> what you say in your post really changes everything to a whole new scenario.
> 
> Time is running ... and I have to make a decision very soon !!


As I said, this is up in the air. If you want to make a difference, write to
Apple.

>> Where exactly would we contact apple or send an e-mail of discontent?
>> Thanks!!
>> 
>> --Roger
> 
> You could try public relations. It's as good a place as any I guess. It
> least it's high up the chain and might get their attention. I got this list
> on the Apple web site accompanying one of the articles... lfox@...

hey sad PC dudes,

thanks for the email address. Here's what I sent Apple. enjoy... flame away

: )
_____________

Hello,

I'm sure you've been getting plenty of emails telling you to please NOT drop
support for Logic on the PC/Windows platform.

I strongly support your decision TO DROP support for PC. I believe it will
speed up the development for Mac and ultimately provide a much more
professional option for Digital Audio Workstations than is currently
available without expensive hardware (which I own/Digidesign). I am a
professional music producer and I look forward to the future of Apple and
Emagic. 

I do hope you let Emagic be as responsive to their customer's needs as they
have been for so many years, if not more so, and that you find positive ways
to ensure Emagic's leadership in the Music Production field (for the Mac
platform only, of course).

thanks for saving my program,
Teddy Kumpel
Music Producer/Writer
~
GO SEE 
http://teddybut.com
~~Teddy Kumpel<teddybut@...>Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./EMI Music
Publishing~~
Burning Beagle Studios, Brooklyn, NY
~

LOL. Touché.

> Hello,
> 
> I'm sure you've been getting plenty of emails telling you to please NOT drop
> support for Logic on the PC/Windows platform.
> 
> I strongly support your decision TO DROP support for PC. I believe it will
> speed up the development for Mac and ultimately provide a much more
> professional option for Digital Audio Workstations than is currently
> available without expensive hardware (which I own/Digidesign). I am a
> professional music producer and I look forward to the future of Apple and
> Emagic. 
> 
> I do hope you let Emagic be as responsive to their customer's needs as they
> have been for so many years, if not more so, and that you find positive ways
> to ensure Emagic's leadership in the Music Production field (for the Mac
> platform only, of course).
> 
> thanks for saving my program,
> Teddy Kumpel
> Music Producer/Writer

--- In exs-users@y..., teddybut <teddybut@e...> wrote:
> >> Where exactly would we contact apple or send an e-mail of 
discontent?
> >> Thanks!!
> >> 
> >> --Roger
> > 
> > You could try public relations. It's as good a place as any I 
guess. It
> > least it's high up the chain and might get their attention. I got 
this list
> > on the Apple web site accompanying one of the articles... 
lfox@a...
> 
> hey sad PC dudes,
> 
> thanks for the email address. Here's what I sent Apple. enjoy... 
flame away
> 
> : )
> _____________
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm sure you've been getting plenty of emails telling you to 
please NOT drop
> support for Logic on the PC/Windows platform.
> 
> I strongly support your decision TO DROP support for PC. I 
believe it will
> speed up the development for Mac and ultimately provide a 
much more
> professional option for Digital Audio Workstations than is 
currently
> available without expensive hardware (which I own/
Digidesign). I am a
> professional music producer and I look forward to the future of 
Apple and
> Emagic. 
> 
> I do hope you let Emagic be as responsive to their customer's 
needs as they
> have been for so many years, if not more so, and that you find 
positive ways
> to ensure Emagic's leadership in the Music Production field 
(for the Mac
> platform only, of course).
> 
> thanks for saving my program,
> Teddy Kumpel
> Music Producer/Writer
> ~
> GO SEE 
> http://teddybut.com
> ~~Teddy Kumpel<teddybut@e...>Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./
EMI Music
> Publishing~~
> Burning Beagle Studios, Brooklyn, NY
> ~

Teddy - you ARE the man !!  Finally, someone who is tired of all 
the crybabies like I am !!

Very well said, and a great point made ; focus on the Mac / Logic 
combo will result in the strongest DAW for the Mac to date - ( just 
like so many PC-only apps are for Windows )... I totally agree 
with you !

Keep up the counter-fight against " the PC whiners " !!

Best,
JP.

Hi Sascha

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> And Soren, I allready subscribed to the LAW-to-SX group, but I 
doub't I'll
> post too much there yet. 

Bugger for the group but I understand your position :o). This post of 
yours would actually be very appropriate in the LAW-to-SX group. You 
seem to have made your mind up pretty much for the short to medium 
term, and you have hands-on SX experience. I can't say the same for 
myself yet :o(.

> must say I was less than impressed. Very cool features but I simply 
don't
> like the ergonomics at all - and that for me was the very reason 
back then
> to switch from Cubase to Logic. 

Hey, me too :o) plus the fact that Logic is better for collaborating 
with the real pros which I do from time to time. 

> Sure, there's been some vast improvements,
> but I still can't understand why quite some things are still that 
ugly and
> hart to handle, especially when it comes to part handling in the 
arrange and
> tool handling - I still remember how much I hated that
> "rightclick-to-select-a-new-tool" actions that you have to do all 
the time
> in Cubase. In Logic I almost never switch tools or grid/snap 
settings. Makes
> my workflow so much more efficient.

Valid points I am sure. I have read this elsewhere. Still, I am sure 
that whatever talent I have (small as it may be), I would be able to 
make music as good as I am capable of on any of the major sequencer 
platforms.

> Don't get me wrong, there's some nice things in SX, such as the 
MIDI plugins
> that you can even use when the sequencer is stopped (and that are 
actually
> working well with AIs, unlike in Logic), I quite liked the 
arpeggiator - but
> then, I'm more an oldfashioned guy, so I don't need such things too 
much.
> In the end, for me the most important thing seem to be ergonomics 
and IMO
> Logic is unbeatable at that for various reasons.
> I will get my VST updated anyways to have a closer look at what 
they are
> doing in the future. 

Being updated on both Logic and Cubase is a luxury that I am sorry I 
can't afford. That would be nice, though.

> And uhhhhm - of course I won't like to miss all my nice Logic 
internal
> plugins and instruments, IMO both EVOC and ES2 are just two of the 
best in
> their categories.

Even without EVOC and ES2 I feel the same way. The full EXS24, the 
chorus, the compressors etc. Having to live without those REALLY hurt 
[he wrote, banging his head against the wall]. 

Kind regards,

Soren

Hi JP,

While I can clearly see your point about a strategy that has a focus on one
specific platform, it is perhaps a little harsh to be critical of those PC
users of Logic/EXS24 who have expressed their disappointment/anger etc at
seeing the move towards Logic becoming a 'Mac-only' application.

Of course there are many application about that are platfrom specific (i.e.
SONAR or Acid on the PC for example) that users of the other platform might
wish were available to them....  The big difference with the vast majority
of these is that they never existied in a cross-platform format in the
first place....  To have a cross-platform app that you have invested
considerable money/time in suddenly shelved in terms of furture development
is a very different thing....  hence the considerable frustration expressed
by many PC users (both on this list and the Logic list).

EXS24 is a wonderful piece of software.....  but, given the choice, I'm
sure most of us would not wish to pay a further 1500 $/£ or so (or whatever
the exact cost of the suitable computer hardware required) in order to have
access to its future development....

I work with a number of other musicians on collaborative projects...  some
of these individuals are PC-based and some are Mac-based....  we all like
the fact that collaboration is easy as we have setup based around the same
core application (Logic/EXS24)....  it is a great shame that, in time, as
Logic develops new features on the Mac, that collaboration process is
likely to become more difficult....

This said, I do hope the Apple move comes off for Emagic and Logic goes
from strength to strength in its Mac form.....  fingers crossed the whole
thing doesn't go down the pan....

With best wishes,

John

>  Finally, someone who is tired of all 
> the crybabies like I am !!
> 
> Very well said, and a great point made ; focus on the Mac / Logic 
> combo will result in the strongest DAW for the Mac to date - ( just 
> like so many PC-only apps are for Windows )... I totally agree 
> with you !
> 
>"" !!
> 
> Best,
> JP.

I too am a Mac user who would like to see Apple concentrate their efforts o=
n 
one platform; the Mac.  Lots of users who have been buying equipment for a =

while can look around their studios and see a piece of gear or two that the=
y 
spent $2000 or more on that is not worth much right now and barely used if =
at 
all.  

If digidesign doesn't support mix systems on OSX or Apple decides to 
discontinue TDM support for future versions of Logic, then I'll just keep m=
y 
system in it's final stable state and use it as is.  I still like it.  When=
 I have to 
move forward, I'll evaluate my best options at that time.  

I really don't think Apple understands windows users and if I was one I 
wouldn't want to invest any more money in a company that is always going to=
 
treat me like a second class citizen.  
  

--- In exs-users@y..., john@d... wrote:
> Hi JP,
> 
> While I can clearly see your point about a strategy that has a focus on o=
ne
> specific platform, it is perhaps a little harsh to be critical of those P=
C
> users of Logic/EXS24 who have expressed their disappointment/anger etc 
at
> seeing the move towards Logic becoming a 'Mac-only' application.
> 
> Of course there are many application about that are platfrom specific (i.=
e.
> SONAR or Acid on the PC for example) that users of the other platform 
might
> wish were available to them....  The big difference with the vast majorit=
y
> of these is that they never existied in a cross-platform format in the
> first place....  To have a cross-platform app that you have invested
> considerable money/time in suddenly shelved in terms of furture 
development
> is a very different thing....  hence the considerable frustration express=
ed
> by many PC users (both on this list and the Logic list).
> 
> EXS24 is a wonderful piece of software.....  but, given the choice, I'm
> sure most of us would not wish to pay a further 1500 $/£ or so (or whatev=
er
> the exact cost of the suitable computer hardware required) in order to ha=
ve
> access to its future development....
> 
> I work with a number of other musicians on collaborative projects...  som=
e
> of these individuals are PC-based and some are Mac-based....  we all like=

> the fact that collaboration is easy as we have setup based around the sam=
e

> core application (Logic/EXS24)....  it is a great shame that, in time, as=

> Logic develops new features on the Mac, that collaboration process is
> likely to become more difficult....
> 
> This said, I do hope the Apple move comes off for Emagic and Logic goes
> from strength to strength in its Mac form.....  fingers crossed the whole=

> thing doesn't go down the pan....
> 
> With best wishes,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> >  Finally, someone who is tired of all 
> > the crybabies like I am !!
> > 
> > Very well said, and a great point made ; focus on the Mac / Logic 
> > combo will result in the strongest DAW for the Mac to date - ( just 
> > like so many PC-only apps are for Windows )... I totally agree 
> > with you !
> > 
> >"" !!
> > 
> > Best,
> > JP.

> Teddy - you ARE the man !!  Finally, someone who is tired of all
> the crybabies like I am !!
> 
> Very well said, and a great point made ; focus on the Mac / Logic
> combo will result in the strongest DAW for the Mac to date - ( just
> like so many PC-only apps are for Windows )... I totally agree
> with you !
> 
> Keep up the counter-fight against " the PC whiners " !!
> 
> Best,
> JP.

well, thanks, it's nice to be the man. hahaha, but.... to be clear: I'm not
trying to fight anyone. I feel bad for the PC users (it's not "nice") but
happy for us Mac users. I feel as you said that there are plenty of strong
PC only platforms and this Emagic/Apple relationship will blossom into
something good for DAW's in general. Also, I've never met anyone who used
Logic for PC and Logic's cross platform ability never made any NYC
professionals that I know glow with happiness. It just slowed down
development for Emagic.

It's as if Emagic got out from under the Elephant that was sitting on it and
jumped onto the back of a Jaguar! Let's enjoy the ride.

hahahaha,
Teddy
~
GO SEE 
http://teddybut.com
~~Teddy Kumpel<teddybut@...>Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./EMI Music
Publishing~~
Burning Beagle Studios, Brooklyn, NY
~

teddybut wrote:
> It's as if Emagic got out from under the Elephant that was sitting on it
and
> jumped onto the back of a Jaguar! Let's enjoy the ride.

Oh, you must have some serious insider knowledge to come up with statements
such as that.
Wow, am I jealous - I wish I'd be as informed as you cool Mac users.

Regards,
Sascha

Please.  Mr. teddybut doesn't speak for all of us cool Mac users.  I'm sad
to see Apple's exclusion.  It just limits the compatibility between fellow
musicians, and promotes the "us" vs. "them" among music makers.  Please
let's not let this turn into the Hatfields vs. the McCoys of the 21st
century.

Hopefully there will be more unifying developments in the near future.

Peace.


DC


on 7/12/02 10:32 AM, Sascha Franck at saschafranck@... wrote:

> teddybut wrote:
>> It's as if Emagic got out from under the Elephant that was sitting on it
> and
>> jumped onto the back of a Jaguar! Let's enjoy the ride.
> 
> Oh, you must have some serious insider knowledge to come up with statements
> such as that.
> Wow, am I jealous - I wish I'd be as informed as you cool Mac users.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha

Dan Chapman wrote:
> Please.  Mr. teddybut doesn't speak for all of us cool Mac users.

I know. And of course my reply wasn't meant as a generalizing statement.
If you know me a bit you'll also know that I don't give a rats ass about
what OS someone's using. But apparently Mr.But does.

Anyways, guess I shouldn't jump into this thread any longer.

Cheers,
Sascha

Sascha Franck wrote:

> Dan Chapman wrote:
> > Please.  Mr. teddybut doesn't speak for all of us cool Mac users.
>
> I know. And of course my reply wasn't meant as a generalizing statement.

Are you suggesting some of us _aren't_ cool then?  ..... :-)



--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> 
wrote:
> teddybut wrote:
> > It's as if Emagic got out from under the Elephant that was 
sitting on it
> and
> > jumped onto the back of a Jaguar! Let's enjoy the ride.
> 
> Oh, you must have some serious insider knowledge to come 
up with statements
> such as that.
> Wow, am I jealous - I wish I'd be as informed as you cool Mac 
users.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha

I know it's difficult right now, but please try to have a sense of 
humor. I am only talking from the Mac perspective, since that's all 
I have. I do feel bad for you PC guys, and I have benefitted greatly 
from your presence on this list Sascha, but I think Logic will 
become a better product for ME with this "merger". Doesn't mean 
I can't feel bad for you. 

Teddybut

--- In exs-users@y..., Dan Chapman <dan@c...> wrote:
> Please.  Mr. teddybut doesn't speak for all of us cool Mac 
users.  I'm sad
> to see Apple's exclusion.  It just limits the compatibility 
between fellow
> musicians, and promotes the "us" vs. "them" among music 
makers.  Please
> let's not let this turn into the Hatfields vs. the McCoys of the 
21st
> century.
> 
> Hopefully there will be more unifying developments in the near 
future.
> 
> Peace.
> 
> 
> DC

I am not initiating a platform war, far from it. You missed my 
point, son. I don't see any reason why anyone shouldn't  use a 
PC for music, I just don't know anyone who does, so this merger 
doesn't limit the way I use Logic in any way. Except that won't be 
able download sounds from Sascha anymore, the master of the 
exs (read with zero sarcasm and much respect).

Teddybut

> If you know me a bit you'll also know that I don't give a rats ass 
about
> what OS someone's using. But apparently Mr.But does.
> 
> Anyways, guess I shouldn't jump into this thread any longer.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sascha

Sascha,

with all due respect, I like the Mac OS. Why would you think I care 
what OS anyone else is using? I'm like you. I am not promoting 
Apple in any way. I am not saying, "Hey all you PC users really 
suck and are stupid, why don't you get Macs like real men and 
women". I don't think like that. I'm a musician, not a computer 
geek. I just happen to use mac because everyone else I know 
uses it and I'd be retarded not to use it for obvious reasons. I am 
simply stating what I think; my opinion and preference with a bit 
of humor for levity there at the end. I know it's not a popular 
opinion, but I've thought it through and I like the idea of Apple 
buying Emagic. It has nothing to do with you and your OS and 
what you do with it. I'm sorry what i wrote hurt your feelings. Feel 
free to jump in, I have thick skin and am a Zen master. You can't 
possibly offend me after letting me download those samples 
from your site.

respectfully,
teddybut

>  Keep up the counter-fight against " the PC whiners " !!

I can't help but wonder what terrible fate must have befallen some 
during their early childhood to grow up to become so narrow-minded 
and insensitive to the loss, feelings and/or disappointment of others?


HJ, happy Mac user & PC-guys-sympathizer, who truly believes that 
losing the Logic-PC community will be a severe loss, and who still 
doesn't really believe that the Emagic takeover will be "all for the 
better"

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

HJ, happy Mac user & PC-guys-sympathizer, who truly believes that 
> losing the Logic-PC community will be a severe loss, and who still
> doesn't really believe that the Emagic takeover will be "all for the
> better"
>
i fully agree henry...anything that divides people is always a bad thing
when there should be a common aim of making uplifting music...unless of
course you wear brown shoes!

--- In exs-users@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> >  Keep up the counter-fight against " the PC whiners " !!
> 
> I can't help but wonder what terrible fate must have befallen 
some 
> during their early childhood to grow up to become so narrow-
minded 
> and insensitive to the loss, feelings and/or disappointment of 
others?
> 
> 
> HJ, happy Mac user & PC-guys-sympathizer, who truly believes 
that 
> losing the Logic-PC community will be a severe loss, and who 
still 
> doesn't really believe that the Emagic takeover will be "all for 
the 
> better"
> 
> -- 
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html


ahhhhhhhhh....     shat up !!  ( or I'll gives yous de backs ofs me's 
hand ! )  ;-)

-JP.

At 06:05 PM 13/07/02 +0000, you wrote:

>ahhhhhhhhh....     shat up !!  ( or I'll gives yous de backs ofs me's 
>hand ! )  ;-)

Hopefully that would be after you have wiped it clean with your hanky. 

(what about George and Ringo anyway?)

M

Thoughts from the mind of Paul Astles, 13-07-2002:

>   HJ, happy Mac user & PC-guys-sympathizer, who truly believes that
>>  losing the Logic-PC community will be a severe loss, and who still
>>  doesn't really believe that the Emagic takeover will be "all for the
>>  better"
>>
>i fully agree henry...anything that divides people is always a bad thing
>when there should be a common aim of making uplifting music...unless of
>course you wear brown shoes!

Uhm, sorry to contradict, but shouldn't that actually be "black shoes"...?
-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Jer wrote:
>> ahhhhhhhhh....     shat up !!  ( or I'll gives yous de backs ofs me's
>> hand ! )  ;-)
>
>I'm beginning to sympathize... I feel guilty this still falls under my
>subject line. Can't we all just... oh, never mind. -Jer

If only!

;-)

> ahhhhhhhhh....     shat up !!  ( or I'll gives yous de backs ofs me's
> hand ! )  ;-)

I'm beginning to sympathize... I feel guilty this still falls under my
subject line. Can't we all just... oh, never mind. -Jer