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----- Original Message -----

From: Remco Muntz <rmuntz@...>

> I'm looking for good drum-sets for dance-productions (mostly eurodance,
> or the dance-music you find in the charts). I'm looking for
> EXS24-format sets, but also in REX2-format. I already bought 'dance
> drums' from bestservice.de, but it doens't have the right sounds
> (especially the kicks are not very useful).

Finding good kicks of this sort is almost impossible.  DJ In Tha House has
some good drums. (its a web site)

Hector.

Spectrasonics' Stylus has 1000 kicks. Although there are many in the more 
'acoustic' variety, you can find a lot of useful, electronic kicks as well. 
Your best bet might be to use distortion, compression and EQ on them to 
make them more Euro-sounding. I'm sure that most artists f*ck up their 
sampled kicks to give them personality and bite.

Ned

Hector wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Remco Muntz <rmuntz@...>
> 
>  > I'm looking for good drum-sets for dance-productions (mostly eurodance,
>  > or the dance-music you find in the charts). I'm looking for
>  > EXS24-format sets, but also in REX2-format. I already bought 'dance
>  > drums' from bestservice.de, but it doens't have the right sounds
>  > (especially the kicks are not very useful).
> 
> Finding good kicks of this sort is almost impossible.  DJ In Tha House has
> some good drums. (its a web site)
> 
> Hector.
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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

I've gotten most of my (often excellent) house kicks via the sites that are
listed on my free sample download page
http://musicbootcamp.com/audio_sample_library.shtml

Granted, you will have to spend considerable time downloading and sorting,
but a strong effort will yield excellent results. I agree with you. Good,
heavy, pounding kick drums are among the rarest on the planet. Even vendors
who say they've got good kicks often fall far short of what is required on
today's premier dance floors. If you find any other resources, please let me
know. Thanks. -Jer

> From: Ned Bouhalassa <ned@...>
> Organization: nedfx.com
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:44:45 -0500
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] good dance-drums samples (EXS24 or rex2)
> 
> Spectrasonics' Stylus has 1000 kicks. Although there are many in the more
> 'acoustic' variety, you can find a lot of useful, electronic kicks as well.
> Your best bet might be to use distortion, compression and EQ on them to
> make them more Euro-sounding. I'm sure that most artists f*ck up their
> sampled kicks to give them personality and bite.
> 
> Ned
> 
> Hector wrote:
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Remco Muntz <rmuntz@...>
>> 
>>> I'm looking for good drum-sets for dance-productions (mostly eurodance,
>>> or the dance-music you find in the charts). I'm looking for
>>> EXS24-format sets, but also in REX2-format. I already bought 'dance
>>> drums' from bestservice.de, but it doens't have the right sounds
>>> (especially the kicks are not very useful).
>> 
>> Finding good kicks of this sort is almost impossible.  DJ In Tha House has
>> some good drums. (its a web site)
>> 
>> Hector.
>> 
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> Ned Bouhalassa
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your best bet is to sample kicks off records you know sound good.

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 HELP@... wrote:

> I've gotten most of my (often excellent) house kicks via the sites that are
> listed on my free sample download page
> http://musicbootcamp.com/audio_sample_library.shtml
>
> Granted, you will have to spend considerable time downloading and sorting,
> but a strong effort will yield excellent results. I agree with you. Good,
> heavy, pounding kick drums are among the rarest on the planet. Even vendors
> who say they've got good kicks often fall far short of what is required on
> today's premier dance floors. If you find any other resources, please let me
> know. Thanks. -Jer
>
> > From: Ned Bouhalassa <ned@...>
> > Organization: nedfx.com
> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:44:45 -0500
> > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [exs] good dance-drums samples (EXS24 or rex2)
> >
> > Spectrasonics' Stylus has 1000 kicks. Although there are many in the more
> > 'acoustic' variety, you can find a lot of useful, electronic kicks as well.
> > Your best bet might be to use distortion, compression and EQ on them to
> > make them more Euro-sounding. I'm sure that most artists f*ck up their
> > sampled kicks to give them personality and bite.
> >
> > Ned
> >
> > Hector wrote:
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Remco Muntz <rmuntz@...>
> >>
> >>> I'm looking for good drum-sets for dance-productions (mostly eurodance,
> >>> or the dance-music you find in the charts). I'm looking for
> >>> EXS24-format sets, but also in REX2-format. I already bought 'dance
> >>> drums' from bestservice.de, but it doens't have the right sounds
> >>> (especially the kicks are not very useful).
> >>
> >> Finding good kicks of this sort is almost impossible.  DJ In Tha House has
> >> some good drums. (its a web site)
> >>
> >> Hector.
> >>
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> >> From: Remco Muntz <rmuntz@...>
> >>
> >>> I'm looking for good drum-sets for dance-productions (mostly eurodance,
> >>> or the dance-music you find in the charts). I'm looking for
> >>> EXS24-format sets,

Don't forget to use the old "sidechain compression with the kik and bass trick" to really tighten and fatten up your kik sound in the mix. I think this will help you achieve what you are looking for as much as the quality of the actual kik sample itself.




--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Oh yeah, that old trick...er...just exactly how does that one work again?
Are you compressing the bass, with the kick as the sidechain input? Maybe
you'd be willing to offer us a little bit of a "for dummies" description of
that? Thank you! Darcy

on 12/16/02 5:30 PM, Eli Krantzberg at elik@... wrote:

>
> >> From: Remco Muntz <rmuntz@...>
> >>
> >>> I'm looking for good drum-sets for dance-productions (mostly eurodance,
> >>> or the dance-music you find in the charts). I'm looking for
> >>> EXS24-format sets,

Don't forget to use the old "sidechain compression with the kik and bass
trick" to really tighten and fatten up your kik sound in the mix. I think
this will help you achieve what you are looking for as much as the quality
of the actual kik sample itself.




--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com



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Hello...

Has anyone figured out how to successfully open, and then READ, the
.TXT files on the AkaiPro download site???

ftp://ftp.akaipro.co.jp/downloads/sound_libraries/S5000-S6000/


Please let me know how I can read them, they are all gibberish...

I have a PC and a Mac and have tried note pad, text edit, and Word to
no avail, all gibberish...

Thanks in advance!

Chris M.

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Could you spell out "Ye Olde Sidechain Compression" technique for some of
the less-informed (like me)? Thanks. -Jer

> Don't forget to use the old "sidechain compression with the kik and bass
> trick" to really tighten and fatten up your kik sound in the mix. I think this
> will help you achieve what you are looking for as much as the quality of the
> actual kik sample itself.
> 
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> Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
> http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, <HELP@M...> wrote:
> Could you spell out "Ye Olde Sidechain Compression" 
technique for some of
> the less-informed (like me)? Thanks. -Jer

i second that moticon ;)

i'm from "ye olde schoole" where young boys with unruly hair and 
sleep deficiency usually perform such arcane tasks, a few hints 
would be very useful.

andy.

Darcy Phillips wrote:

> Oh yeah, that old trick...er...just exactly how does that one work again?

and:


> Could you spell out "Ye Olde Sidechain Compression" technique for some of
> the less-informed (like me)? Thanks. -Jer
>

and:


> i second that moticon ;)
>
> i'm from "ye olde schoole" where young boys with unruly hair and
> sleep deficiency usually perform such arcane tasks, a few hints
> would be very useful.
>

Hi Guys,

Yes, the basic principle is that you insert a compressor on your bass track. And then use the kik signal as the sidechain input to that compressor. So the kik ends up triggering compression on the bass every time it hits. It creats a little bit of an "sonic pocket" for the kik to sit in. It really tightens up the whole bass/kik aspect of the mix.

Here is a quote from the prolific f-erenc szabo from a LUG post a while back describing this:


> You have bass guitar going through a compressor's
> main audio input.  But instead of the bass itself triggering
> the compressor, you have a kick drum into the sidechain
> input.  This means that the bass guitar is only compressed
> for that short period of time that the kick drum happens.
> This creates a kind of "pocket" for the kick to sit inside.  If
> you didn't do this, then the co-existence of the bass and kick
> might be too much together.
>

If any of you are interested, I used this technique on one of the mixes on my band's demo. You can hear it at the site in my signature below. navigate to the mp3 download page and check out "I Will Love Again".



--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Hmmm, I thought I had heard of this trick almost in reverse, so you
insert a gate on the bass track, triggered by the kick, so the bass
is only allowed in when the kick hits. Is this another standard method,
with a different sound, or would the gate method muddy things up?
 
   -smeet
 
 

Yes, the basic principle is that you insert a compressor on your bass track.
And then use the kik signal as the sidechain input to that compressor. So
the kik ends up triggering compression on the bass every time it hits. It
creats a little bit of an "sonic pocket" for the kik to sit in. It really
tightens up the whole bass/kik aspect of the mix.

Here is a quote from the prolific f-erenc szabo from a LUG post a while back
describing this:


> You have bass guitar going through a compressor's
> main audio input.  But instead of the bass itself triggering
> the compressor, you have a kick drum into the sidechain
> input.  This means that the bass guitar is only compressed
> for that short period of time that the kick drum happens.
> This creates a kind of "pocket" for the kick to sit inside.  If
> you didn't do this, then the co-existence of the bass and kick
> might be too much together.
>

If any of you are interested, I used this technique on one of the mixes on
my band's demo. You can hear it at the site in my signature below. navigate
to the mp3 download page and check out "I Will Love Again".



--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com <http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com> 






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Sumit Das wrote:

> Hmmm, I thought I had heard of this trick almost in reverse, so you
> insert a gate on the bass track, triggered by the kick, so the bass
> is only allowed in when the kick hits. Is this another standard method,
> with a different sound, or would the gate method muddy things up?
>

My method involves a compressor, not a gate. You insert a compressor on the bass track and have the kik as a sidechain to trigger it. So when the kik hits, the bass gets ducked in volume (not muted out by a gate)



--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

"Sumit Das" wrote:

> Hmmm, I thought I had heard of this trick almost in reverse, so you
> insert a gate on the bass track, triggered by the kick, so the bass
> is only allowed in when the kick hits. Is this another standard method,
> with a different sound, or would the gate method muddy things up?

   This is a different technique that is sometimes used to clean up a bass
"track". The compression technique is a great trick to use when you have a
great bass line and sound but it covers up the bass drum too much. By
sidechaining the compression it lets the attack of the bass drum cut through
just enough without taking anything away from the bass, or actually very
little from the bass. With the sidechaining gate trick you might want to do
this when you have a bass part that is supposed to be unison with the bass
drum but is a little off. Example: If the bass player is a little early on a
lot of beats you can use this gate trick to sync the parts together. Or if
the bass track is too busy you can try to tame it with the gate trick making
it simple with the bass drum. I don't think the gate trick will muddy
anything up. It will "clean" the bass part not neccessarily the bass sound.

  --Roger

"Sumit Das" wrote:

> Hmmm, I thought I had heard of this trick almost in reverse, so you
> insert a gate on the bass track, triggered by the kick, so the bass
> is only allowed in when the kick hits. Is this another standard method,
> with a different sound, or would the gate method muddy things up?

   This is a different technique that is sometimes used to clean up a bass
"track".
 

Ah... Makes sense, I'll have to try the compressor technique then...
Thanks!
 
   -smeet 



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Interesting... and thanks. Can you give me a rough idea of the compressor
settings that I should be shooting for. I use compression to toughen up
sounds most of the time, so I'm wondering what to set the compressor to in
order to make the bass take a back seat to the kick. This is very
interesting to me and could help in a lot of situations. I want to get it
right. Thanks. -Jer

> From: Eli Krantzberg <elik@...>
> Organization: Nightshift Orchestra
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:20:18 -0500
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] good dance-drums samples (EXS24 or rex2)
> 
> Yes, the basic principle is that you insert a compressor on your bass track.
> And then use the kik signal as the sidechain input to that compressor. So the
> kik ends up triggering compression on the bass every time it hits. It creats a
> little bit of an "sonic pocket" for the kik to sit in. It really tightens up
> the whole bass/kik aspect of the mix.

HELP@... wrote:

> Interesting... and thanks. Can you give me a rough idea of the compressor
> settings that I should be shooting for.

Hi Jer,

As usual, set the threshold and ratio to taste. The attack time should be set to a very low (quick) setting. Although due to the low end nature of the program content in this sort of patch, it isn't really a critical element to the overall effect we are trying to achieve.

The release parameter is the more critical of the two in this sort of a setup. It obviously depends on the program content, but I would definitely at least start out with a fairly quick release time. So that the bass can "get back up" fairly quickly. If, OTOH, you have a busy kik drum part, you might want the release time a bit slower.



--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Thanks, sound pretty strait forward. I appreciate you breaking down the
process. -Jer

> From: Eli Krantzberg <elik@...>
> Organization: Nightshift Orchestra
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 06:48:38 -0500
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] good dance-drums samples (EXS24 or rex2)
> 
> HELP@... wrote:
> 
>> Interesting... and thanks. Can you give me a rough idea of the compressor
>> settings that I should be shooting for.
> 
> Hi Jer,
> 
> As usual, set the threshold and ratio to taste. The attack time should be set
> to a very low (quick) setting. Although due to the low end nature of the
> program content in this sort of patch, it isn't really a critical element to
> the overall effect we are trying to achieve.
> 
> The release parameter is the more critical of the two in this sort of a setup.
> It obviously depends on the program content, but I would definitely at least
> start out with a fairly quick release time. So that the bass can "get back up"
> fairly quickly. If, OTOH, you have a busy kik drum part, you might want the
> release time a bit slower.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Eli Krantzberg
> Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
> http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
> 
> 
> 
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